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I’m not numb or comfortable, I’m broken inside.

I’ve spent the last three and a half hours watching my country slowly coming apart. It’s like waking up from a pleasant dream to a nightmare.

Harper Majority Government in Canada. Four years for him to follow through on his plans and promises to dismantle our social contract.

Would it be too much to ask for you lot to lend us a few divisions? Just a small invasion, some light bombing, a minor occupation. We’re friendly, we’ll leave warning signs beside our booby traps and make appointments to ambush your columns of troops.

All I ask is… help?

Aloha, mz…! Couldn’t agree more…!

Citizen mzchief:

Afuckinmen…but let’s also bring the 150,000 mercenaries home to justice and get the rest of ‘em out of our embassies and our fuckin’ corporate boardrooms…bring the troops home and let’s bring Gahdafi and every other bloodthuirsty sheik and dictator with ‘em and leave some space for people’s government to take their places.

Aloha, Uncommoner…!

I was just reading the gloomy news…

Stephen Harper’s double victory …

I saw what was coming for your country a few years back. The CBC broke the law and violated the integrity of your elections. I’d fight like hell right now if I were you.

My David Gilmour fix for the week…
Tut!

Aloha, Norske…! We need to get rid of the private contractors period, and we should reinstate the draft for all again…! Maybe then we’d stop all this insane madness…!

CT, we just had an afternoon of thunderstorms: almost all thunder [and lightning]; hardly any rain.

Anything this strange happen over your way?

Aloha, newt…! ;-)

Harper is not the person to be at the helm if you want to survive this reality: “May 2 2011: Fukushima: Fallacies, Fallout, Fundamentals and Fear“

Amen.

Same here, with snow up top too…! Oahu had some power outages and this awesome sight…!

Citizen CTuttle:

Alhoa, Brother CT…don’t despair, this is part of bringin’ the war home into the livingrooms and bars and bedrooms all over the country…when our people are through venting their long suffering terror against the boogyman that has been used to strip them naked of their humanity, then they will watch again and again and, like with Viet Nam, they will begin to understand the horror and will be forced to assume the terrible responsibility they have in a democracy.

So did Stephen Harper, and he didn’t do it 20 minutes in advance, he did it hours and hours in advance, by campaigning on an election day.

http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2011/05/harper-campaigning-on-election-day.html

Fighting like hell, sure, but against whom? How can you fight systemic ignorance on this scale? Corruption on this scale? It’s like boxing the ocean.

evening, CT … firegods

The War on Humanity will not be televised.

Hey all, strange few days, not as strange as Miley Cyrus singing Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” strange, but still very strange. Maybe strange like this.

Well,……as the Mother of a son,..you want to draft my child to protect? Defend? Continue Empire?..
Why do you want my son?

OBL’s legacy is to have established that under the Franklin criterion Americans deserve “neither.” Ouch!!

CTuttle @ 3, Norske @ 4: We’d be foolish not to take this opportunity to shut this sucker down.

Aloha, PPD…!

Aloha, Hannibal…! It’s been awhile since I’ve seen your fonts…! ;-)

Citizen CTuttle:

Indeed, remember the CCC’s (Civilian Conservation Corps)…we could institute a draft that used the military model but created a cadre for a domestic “peace corps” and don’tcha think that New Orleans would look a whole lot different today if trained National Guard folks with skills and training had been available before and after Katrina?

There is change acomin’, Brother CT, but it won’r happen until most of us experience the terrible understanding of our repsonsibility as American citizens…and own up to it.

Some nice newer stuff from Jello Biafra.

Hi CT and all. Strange days indeed.

I feel the pain inside. I thought I was broken, tired, beaten to the point of crazy. But realized I was just tired. Fuck letting them steamroller over me to destroy my children’s lives.
I can get over being tired.

All sons, across the board…! By you asking that very question, is exactly why it’s the best means to avoid future wars and/or interventions…! ;-)

Yeah, I’ve found I’m a lot easier to deal with in small doses.

Even the Russians are crystal about what happens next if you don’t make the effort: “Toronto, Canada becomes a police state” (Jun. 25, 2010)

Aloha, wigwam…! Always a pleasure to see ya at LLN…!

I’ve been amazed and dumbfounded for 40 years that mothers haven’t fixed and corrected this country (schools, Congress, TV, and such). What the fuck is it with them? Are they crazy, scared, convinced that they’re powerless?

Or, should we just fucking Drone you folks? Uncommoner. Be careful what you pull up for conversation with the Mericans. Our fix may not be your fix. :]

Hey. It’s been way too long, but that means that I have a day job, onto which I aim to hold.

Citizen openhope:

The war on humanity has been televised for over 40 years but people are just now understanding what it is that they have been watchin’…none of us are innocent and the sooner we open ourselves to that and we learn from the horrible experience of others of what we all are responsibile for, Dear Heart, then your son and my son and daughters and grand daughters will be granted the greatest gift we can give ‘em: an understanding of their history so they can make a future out of it.

Holy Pinking Floyd!

In the NPR story, “How the Spies Found Bin-Laden,” Rachel Martin can hardly contain her glee as she dutifully relates how it was only because of the Guantanamo [torture] camp that we were able to track OBL. Then she refers to OBL as “the Holy Grail.” Really?

From Wikipedia: The Holy Grail is a sacred object figuring in literature and certain Christian traditions, most often identified with the dish, plate, or cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper and said to possess miraculous powers. [..] later writers recounted how Joseph used the Grail to catch Christ’s blood while interring him …

Oh what crooked Crusade we weave when at first we do deceive.

I expect that they’ll drone on forever. But, let’s give them something to drone on about.

We’re already there, mzchief. I have friends and acquaintances who were among the 1100 some ‘detainees’. It was just the tip of the iceberg, and as much as we’ve tried to fight it our media just won’t fight for the people.

How can you shout down people who buy ink by the drum? I’m willing to get back up and fight but right now I just feel beaten down by the reality of the next four years under a Harpercon majority.

People love their torture porn. Lets them let out their revenge fantasies, feel strong, imagining themselves as the torturer, working over the object of their wrath.

So yeah, they’ll defend it every chance they get, even when they have to lie to do it.

I couldn’t believe my ears today on ABC’s ‘extended coverage’, Darth Cheney had the f*cking balls to insinuate that his ‘Enhanced Int. Techniques’ might’ve led them to OBL…!!! Wtf, over…? *gah*

We were the warm up/proof-of-concept. The bankstas are poised to hollow you out at record speed from what I’ve been observing and reading. “Biggest Free Trade Deal Since NAFTA, Ghost Issue of 2011 Election” (Apr. 28, 2011).

Rachel Martin can hardly contain her glee as she dutifully relates how it was only because of the Guantanamo [torture] camp that we were able to track OBL.

Our satellites and drones have been watching this place since it was built in 2005, and the CIA has been “sure” that it was built for a “high-value terrorist, probably OBL.” So, WTF have they been waiting for. Oh, wait, this is the beginning of campaign season. Oh. Yes. I think I’m onto something.

Oh, just wait until this Sunday, when his shiftless daughter will no doubt find a network (or 3) willing to let her ‘enhance’ that take for the nation.

Oh, before i forget, thank you, CTuttle for this song. One of my favorites.

The Media is The Massage.

You still watch TV?

No Problemo, M’dear…! ;-)

Sickening, isn’t it?

Exactly! Every adventure movie is an adventure in B&D and S&M. The hero gets tortured and then in full righteous morality wreak vengence upon his oppressors. DE-fucking-LICIOUS! Hurt me!

I’m so glad that they’re all taped delayed here, and scattered throughout the day, so that I can avoid them all, which I do anyways…! Btw, Col. Wilkerson has been doing a great job of late…! ;-)

Col. Wilkerson has been doing a great job of late…!

Today? Or the past few weeks in general?

Screwed, fascism is all the rage now in Canada. Fuck.

“The Aurora” by Terje Sorgjerd (vocalise by Lisa Gerrard)

Come on, Red Maples, don’t melt like sugar in the rain. ;-)

Wilkerson is among the best of the lot. His fusillades at Cheney are almost worth the rest of the Hellishness on broadcast.

I haven’t seen his take on OBL yet.

We are (I think I can speak for the rest) so very sorry about your deal up there, Q.

I don’t watch anymore. For 3 years during the Irak Genocide and obliteration of an Important Culture/People ,.. In Physical Form,i.e.; museums, restaurants, public squares, ancient buildings, families, schools, water supplies, families, sewers, families, education, children, farms, livestock, milk, cheese, SECURITY.
security secuity security security security security security security security security security security security

How was your Easter ?
Secure and festive, was it?

I’m thinking of Crossing the river and joining the Parti Quebecois to work for sovereignty. Quebec has always been one of the forward thinking provinces, at least in the cities.

McLuhan still holds up… the LP version of The Medium Is Message (1967)

gah … glad I missed tha’…nose to the grindstone, head down. forgah tha ower side s’bah

Both, but today inparticular, He was smacking down all the Shrubco nonsense that was being posited…! He mentioned that a new book is about to be released, called the ‘Interrogator’ which he claims will blow the whistle on the Shrub era, written by a senior ex CIA official…! ;-)

Aloha, Quebecois…! Blame Shrub…! ;-)

Stalag 17. Everything else is a footnote.

AitchD, You just sent me on a bullshit trip thru links. Do it again and we have a problem.
just saying

Thanks, I’m involved with artists with my work, all are thinking that this could lead to a referendum in Québec. But the mood is somber, it’s a tsunami of beer tonight, followed by a four year hangover.

‘Easter’ derives from ‘estrus’. I am sad to say bereft.

…it’s a tsunami of beer tonight, followed by a four year hangover…

*ouch* My condolences, Q…! ;-)

Hmm. Sorry if you couldn’t play the recording (scroll & click the arrow?) It’s also available at http://www.ubu.com/, if you search for McLuhan’s The Medium Is The Message.

Per Glenzilla:

But beyond the emotional fulfillment that comes from vengeance and retributive justice, there are two points worth considering. The first is the question of what, if anything, is going to change as a result of the two bullets in Osama bin Laden’s head? Are we going to fight fewer wars or end the ones we’ve started? Are we going to see a restoration of some of the civil liberties which have been eroded at the altar of this scary Villain Mastermind? Is the War on Terror over? Are we Safer now?

Those are rhetorical questions. None of those things will happen. If anything, I can much more easily envision the reverse. Whenever America uses violence in a way that makes its citizens cheer, beam with nationalistic pride, and rally around their leader, more violence is typically guaranteed.

So Glenzilla doesn’t approve of the schadenfreude any more than the rest of us do, and he thinks it’ll only breed more violence. I’ve gotta agree.

America is all about winning, and in an American “victory” (however hollow) the ends always justify the means.

One of the clearly intended benefits (to the oligarchy) of this announcement is it will be used as a bludgeon to reinforce the status quo of torture, murder, militarism and death…as the one true path to shining American victory.

Oya, folks.

Yeah, sad is sad, but Estrus is Power.

Not for moi though, I drink maybe 60 beers a year, but my friends are making Molson’s rich.

PERFECT!

well Canada, I am truly sorry.
BUT, you want it, you get it. welcome to our ever-developing hell.
you want corporate control, well you got it. didn’t get enough, and now you VOTED for more, well here you go.
Canada is nothing more than the 51st state now. in 10 years, you get the same cluster-f that america is.
Harper is going to gut that place like there’s no tomorrow. and the real “beauty” is that, like americans, canadians will line up for the meat grinder. voluntarily.
welcome to never-ending wars.
welcome to corporate greed. which knows NO BOUNDS.
welcome to the end gutting of social programs. you see these things don’t end it. they just gut it to the point of uselessness.
canadians will turn against each other. some will call themselves the “true” Canadians. others will disagree. let the fights begin. let the lord of chaos rule.
oh yeah, just because you are all cute and cuddly and love your fellow human, don’t expect it to last. first attack the homosexuals. then the immigrants. then the brownies. and keep going down the line.
and of course the creme de la creme – privatization. your world has just changed. like america there is no way back from the corporate jackboot on your neck.
you see most americans are actually kind and compassionate. even most conservatives. I know, I have lived around conservatives for 20+ years. but it’s CYA country now. and the people don’t matter. get yours anyway you can and F everyone else. you think Canadians are better than that? look at those election results and tell me you believe it. you really believe it.
and again, welcome to america as the 51st state, in all but name.

“torture, murder, militarism and death”
ah yes, the new american exceptionalism.
we may be so low on the scale of healthcare or education to even mention, but we’re number 1 in those. in fact number 2 isn’t anywhere close to us.
USA, USA, USA!!! …

I hope you’re desired always… (Did you look up Jill Tweedie yet, or are you gonna say you don’t know what I’m talking about again for the third time?)

…Are we Safer now?…

*gah*

Wish I was numb.

Aloha, EV…!

Pyrric victory comes to mind…! 8-(

Aloha, tambershall…! Welcome to LLN…!

…Are we Safer now?…

We’re safe from our deepest fear: the terror of freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.

Dear Lurking Mod,
Maybe we should think of a “back-off” signal, here on FDL.
The Finnish relatives and our clan have had a riotous, laughing time these last few weeks once we figured out the universal hand signal” , the sign among friends that you’re pushing the envelope in a Social Situation.

Hand up to the throat, wrist in line, right angle salute. Hand rotates from right to left to indicate cutting of one’s own throat.

A dear friend wrote this on fb:

Enjoy your jets and prisons, fools…

Aloha, Peg…! That tooth is keeping ya up again, eh …? 8-(

Have ya tried a rock salt gargle…?

I’m kind of in a wonderful, mellow feeling after a wonderful weekend of our Finnish Extended Family visiting.
Your thoughts are not, and have never been, a concern of mine.
I am who I am.

Hey Margaret!

Wish I had a Blue Guitar (Cowboy Junkies)

quoting Yaweh are ya?

whatever

“respectfully, back-off” gets the job done.
/~~~

My mind, too. I was unaware of the whole thing until this am. I think I’m glad for the delay. I keep running across little clips of people exulting over the killing of OBL, with nasty bloodthirsty overtones. I am afraid this will change nothing re: opportunistic wars, further erosions of civil liberties, and the rest of the package, with a tasty side dish of “wasn’t really OBL’ers” to add to the mix.

Aloha to you as well, CT. Nice to see you ‘spouting off here tonight. ;-)

As far as Pyrrhic victories, I’m soothed to remember this exquisite exchange between Dharma and Yudhishthira (from Peter Brook’s version of The Mahabharata):

D: Give me an example of space.
Y: My two hands…as one.
D: An example of grief?
Y: Ignorance.
D: Of poison?
Y: Desire.
D: An example of defeat.
Y: (a pause, then a smile) Victory.

I don’t have any rock salt. Is that supposed to help?

Okay. FUCK. Just when I was ready to go for it….
Damn, I hate PC
I have problems being friendly. Except with Friendly Folk. Then, it’s all good.

X2

Aloha, VC…! It doesn’t change anything, it’s just another useless death…! They could’ve just as readily snatched him and put him on trial in NYC, now that would’ve went a lot further…! 8-(

It really disinfects, and, even drains the cavity/abscess, etc…! It needs to be coarse salt tho…!

No Talk No Records. No reminder for ignorant U.S. people that Foreign Policy is NOT boring.

All I have is table salt but I’m willing to try gasoline at this point.

I have the same sick feeling in my stomach that I did when it became obvious to me that we were going to war on Iraq, come hell or hih water. What do you suppose is going to be done to Pakistan?

I sure hope we get another booger man soon. I’m tired of talking about wanking OBL.

Yes, a salt rinse/soaking is important. As hot as you can stand, 3-4 times a day . Draws out the bad stuff.

Table salt is salty, maybe you’d have to supersaturate the fluid.

The fleshy web between your thumb and forefinger — freeze it with an ice compress. Sometimes it relieves tooth pain.

Yes, we voted for it and now we’re going to get it good and hard.
The problem is, we’re already right there with you on so many of your points. Now that Hagfish Harper has his majority, it’s going to be slick as mucus to take us the rest of the way.
We’re already turning against each other. The Canadian Progressive blogs are coming alive with Liberals and NDPers sniping at each other and laying blame.

It’s ALL OUR FAULT. All of us. For letting it happen.

I used to believe that Canada was better (well, let’s be fair, in some ways we were). I can’t say that I’m proud to be Canadian anymore. It’s been a long, long time since I was able to say that.

It’s going to be a long time before I feel it again, if ever.

That’s Stephen Harper’s triumph: he makes us all less than we could be. He drags us down to his level and makes us just as petty and venal and thuggish as he is.

I don’t think we have a hero among us.
Wish I did.

There are a lot of countries left that we haven’t buggered, so it’s only a matter of time.

Feel better, Margaret.
I have used Clove Oil, and not suffered the mentioned side effects.

Clove Oil Compress
Clove oil contains eugenol, a natural pain killer and antibacterial. Mix 2 to 3 drops of pure clove oil with 1/4 teaspoon olive oil. Saturate a cotton ball with the mixture and place the cotton ball beside the tooth.

If the toothache involves a molar at the back of your mouth, you can bite down gently on the cotton ball to keep it in place. Leave it there for as long as possible (but don’t go to sleep with it in your mouth.) Pain relief should begin quite rapidly.

Side effects
Undiluted clove oil inside the mouth can causing burning, tissue or nerve damage, and pain. In large doses, clove oil taken orally can cause vomiting, sore throat, seizure, difficulty breathing, kidney failure, or liver damage. Clove oil shouldn’t be applied to broken skin.

Children, pregnant or nursing women, and people with diabetes, kidney or liver disease or bleeding disorders should avoid taking clove oil.

It’s gotta be hot?

Yeah, but with that nasty “trial by jury” thing, no guarantees. I think what really bothers me most about this whole thing is an American President explicitly ordered a revenge killing, and there’s not an eye batted that I can see anywhere in the MSM. Yes, it’s probably been done in the past, but never so brazenly, that I know of. Based on one picture I saw, neither Obama nor anyone else in the room were taking it lightly.

I suppose ya could try it, not the gas, super-saturate a cup of warm water, and, take a gulp of it situate over the affected area for 10 or so seconds, spit, rinse and repeat a few more time…! Narsty, but effective with rock salt…! Results will be felt in 15-20 mins…! ;-0

Umm, my schadenfreude is pretty much used up but if you think I’m going to shed a bitter tear for ObL or wring my hands over the means by which he was sent west, you’re crazy.

He was never going to be taken alive. He committed an act of war. He was treated like an enemy combatant. I don’t see a problem.

Oh Happy 100, Margaret!
And thank you for all the things you’ve schooled me on these past years.

Just tried that. Swished it around for a few minutes, twice. Maybe some pain relief but now my tongue is dry. Man! This sucks ass.

I think the hot helps keep more salt in solution, plus helps bad stuff killing properties. I’ve been there. Hope you get through it soon.

The good news is that I found a bunch of episodes of Keeping Up Appearances on youtube to keep me occupied while I’m awake.

Ooh, Congrats, Peg, on snagging the Century mark…! *g*

I’ve always been awkward about accepting compliments but thank you for that one. I think most of us have something unique and relevant to offer. I’m just glad I found a home after Aravosis turned out to be such a (self moderated).

Dude, there’s a Big Problem.
Unless you’re okay with the Iraq government going into Texas, hauling George Bush out of bed, shooting him in the head and burying his body at sea a few hours later. In respect for his traditions.
Me, I’m torn……………….

I don’t really have a stake in it, but personally I think I could live with that. Would they go after Cheney too?

Personally, I think it’s too late. Osama Bin Laden won his war a long time ago. He won it when western nations began to resort to terror tactics, drone strikes, unlawful rendition, torture, military occupation and paranoiac security culture.

All the damage he was going to do was already done. His children live on, and they are the ones prosecuting this “Global War on Terror”.

As an Expat, ya’ll have my sincere condolences, ironically, I was born in the heart of Tory country, Edmonton…! ;-)

Without wanting to make you blush,…you are a clearer voice than you give yourself credit for. You understand and use laymen explanations for many serious issues that I don’t have the experience to grasp, without your voice.
Hugs spiritually and intellectual thank you’s.
Okay?

Hey That Guy!
I don’t see anyone shedding tears over that so much as what it doesn’t mean.
I don’t think his death will result in even one soldier coming home. And I don’t think his death will mean that I won’t have to run a meaningless and humiliating gauntlet at airports. And I don’t think there will be less surveillance of my phone calls or internet traffic now that he’s dead. And I don’t think Guantanamo will be closed, or peace will break out in Palestine, or any of the other things this so-called War on Terror was supposed to achieve.

That is worth grieving about, IMHO. Pointing towards the scoreboard and shouting USA is not particularly satisfying.

You know what else is fun? Looking up place names from The Simarillion and The Lord of the Rings at wikipedia.

I have a Virgin Dream of Law and Order. I have suffered in my life because of those dreams.

Again thanks. I’m glad I can help. :)

We’ll have to agree to disagree. But GWB? Shit, they can have him.

Goodnight, all.
sweet dreams.

Aloha, TG…!

I do think he should’ve been taken alive…!

It’s the fate of all idealists to suffer for their dreams. We imagine the world better than it is and are forever disappointed because it will always fall short.

When I die, it will be the way I lived – angry at a world so fundamentally broken that a five year old child could see the cracks everywhere.

Sweet dreams, open…! *g*

The guy was a douchebag without question but the rule of law is either for everybody or for nobody. If we start making exceptions, who gets to decide when those exceptions are appropriate and legal? Who gets to decide that OBL is a legitimate target for assassination but Kim Jong Il isn’t? Nobody’s crying over bin Laden but the only thing this event has changed is that we as a people are a little bit smaller and have slipped a little further down from the moral high ground.

Oya OH.

You can’t just go into foreign countries and kill people and brag about it. Unless the real purpose of that the murder was to desensitize people to your foreign policies of Hunt And Kill. Good Hunting..? Fuck International Law?…

…so fundamentally broken that a five year old child could see the cracks everywhere…

That’s what is particularly appalling, our youth can see our own imperfections, and, we still don’t give a sh*t…! 8-(

Late to the party as usual, CTuttle, my favorite Pink Floyd tune forever.
It makes the hair on my arms stand up.

But, Love breaks through those cracks if you give love permission.
Thus the complexty if humanity, imho.
Thank you Love.

You spoke my mind. Thank you.

Sweet dreams, all.

Hmmm. The salty water may have done the trick. Either that or that second Aleve kicked in quicker than I had hoped. Thanks for that tip.

my favorite Pink Floyd tune forever.

Really? I was always partial to Time.

Aloha, Busted…! Always a pleasure to see ya…! ;-)

What was your take on OBL’s sudden demise…?

Sweet dreams, hope.

Someone deserves some.

My fav Floyd tune shifts constantly, but right now this is what strikes me, done in a most unusual way.

Howdy Busted

And of course Brain Damage is wonderful. Hell, that whole album is great though not my fave.

You’re most welcome, Peg…! As openhope noted, you should do it daily until you can get it taken care of…!

I would have liked to see him at an international court. Speaking only from what was in his head. No prepared paper no written speech. Could have shown alot. Then i am aware that would have been a nightmare of shit.

Aloha, homeroid…! The Hague would’ve worked too…! ;-)

Letterman does a top ten on OBL… “I need a house full of Seals, like I need a hole in my head” *gah*

Well it seems to have done some good. I’m going to try to snooze. Oya koinu.

Exactly. I bet the PTB weighed the pros an cons of getting him and said that shutting him up was going to cause less waves–what with all he knew.

Pleasant dreams, Peg…! *g*

*heh* Nary a ripple when they heaved his corpse overboard, too…! ;-)

Well, I shall bid ya’ll another fond adieu for the evening…! Mahalo for the awesome conversations and new faces, tonite…! Aloha Oe…! *g*

Yeah sure i believe that. For now i must return to the land of nod. Nite Firegods.

Woohoo…! Hawai’i has just enacted Transgender anti-discrimination laws…! See what electing Progressives will get ya…! *g*

*poof*

Transgender rights bill awaits governor’s OK…

Abercrombie signed it today…! ;-)

Dude, you won’t see my reply but that was fucking AWESOME!