However much we might not like our current President sometimes, I am glad that he did in two and a half years what Bush couldnt do in 7.5. Thats what happens when we elect a President who remembers why we went to war in the first place!
I’m glad also. But I wonder what war you’re referring to?
“Shot in head for resisting”?
“Buried at sea”?
Something sure sounds fishy, to me.
Well the war in Afghanistan. I hope now that it is proved that he wasnt in that country and instead in another country that we can bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
That’s what I thought you meant :-)
A real good deal, yes? Almost 50,000 dead or wounded Americans, millions of dead or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan and several trillion dollars spent for 1 fucking guy. Absolute victory. No question.
Thanks for the post, BT.
Yeah, that was my thought. Couldn’t we have done this instead of say, invading 3 countries and killing a couple hundred thousand Iraqis?
I was very glad also that the Pres. knocked Trump off the air…even for a short time. Delish ;)
Obama got the job done…made it a priority. Do a mashup of video from the past week of Obama from the release of the redundant long birth certificate to Alabama to WHCD to last night’s speech … that nod when Seth Meyers talked about idealistic 2008 Obama … that salute to the young warriors during last night’s speech, and you see a heroic arc that is still rising.
If you don’t think the prez has those young people in mind as he wrestles with the Ryans and Boehners over dismantling a generational safety net, then you’re just not seeing the big picture.
Not gonna happen. MSNBC tweeted earlier:
US ambassador in Kabul: Bin Laden killing ‘will not mark the end of our effort against terrorism’ – NBC News
US ambassador in Kabul after bin Laden killing: ‘America’s strong support for the people of Afghanistan will continue as before’ – NBC News
US ambassador in Kabul: Bin Laden killing ‘will not mark the end of our effort against terrorism’ – NBC News
US ambassador in Kabul after bin Laden killing: ‘America’s strong support for the people of Afghanistan will continue as before’ – NBC News
Obama’s statement began: “Today we launched…” Now, when they play it on the teevee..they leave out the “Today”…
Ummmm..how long “today..now “yesterday”..did it take to complete the DNA and bury him at sea????
I also note that the teevee is basically confirming how brainwashed those people who are shouting USA, USA have been since they were about 8 years old when 9/11 “happened”.
Have you seen the recreated “pool table” demo they are showing using blue and black pool balls to show the “operation”. Worse than the cartoons that Powell presented. When did they prepare that??? I call BS.
Buried at sea??? Are you kidding me~
Look at the terrible photoshopping of the “dead Osama” pics.
People. Talk about hoodwinked.
my goodness the NYT’s has had that obit done for quite a while. No mention of Obama in it but plenty of “Bush” in it.
One of the authors of the obit died in 2010.
Now that Osama is dead, the Truthers can finally stop saying he’s dead.
Go eat some tofu..
Mornin’, BT, pups
Yep. Good human intel instead of electronic could have made this happen almost 10 years ago. Unlike a birth certificate there’s no going somewhere to prove the body is OBL’s. Never gonna convince the hard core he’s dead without it. Pictures won’t cut it.
This is exactly what Obama is counting on. The fact that you give him credit for this kill. The fact that this building existed for the past 5 years and the CIA thought he was there is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Osama bin Laden’s card was called last night is the only thing that matters.
Ignore the fact that he lived there for 5 YEARS. Ignore the fact that the body was destroyed for no further analysis. Ignore the fact that Pakistan has never been a trustworthy ally all things considered.
I guess I’m happy he is gone. If this was 2002 it would be a great day. Unfortunately, being almost a decade after the fact, this sounds like a politician green lighting military action to raise his poll numbers because he knows he is going to lose.
Does this mean that we get to bring our troops home now? Are we going to withdraw and leave the huge swath of destruction we wrought completely unfixed. Are we going to cry “Why do they hate us?” When the next Osama bin Laden comes up? After all we now have our victory moment. Is it time to come home?
Makes me sick. Yeah, bin Laden is dead. As per usual, don’t question the details, just accept the end result. How we got there, why it took so long, not important.
I saw a President that allowed REAL health care reform wither on the vine. He drew it out for over a year. He allowed it to be twisted and deformed into monstrosity it is. He acts swiftly only when it is going to benefit himself. This is a political move plain and simple.
Unfortunately simpletons and those that are still tainted with the Obama Kool-Aid want to grasp at any straw that maybe this is the turning point, maybe this is the moment where your Hope and Change warrior finally wakes up and does the right thing.
I guess he knows the economy is going to continue to suck and regardless of the right wing idiot that is put against him, he wasn’t certain he’d win.
I know the government isn’t lying, this time.
Not like Tillman, WMD and we don’t torture, this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Go look at the pics Savannah Guthrie just mentioned. Photoshopped BS. OBL has been dead for years.
I’m waiting for the Taiwanese animation.
I’m not gonna believe it til somebody responsible like Glenn Beck or Geraldo tells me Goldstein’s dead. Something like,
“We are no longer at war with OBL. We are now at war with New Jersey. We have always been at war with New Jersey. There has never been a time we weren’t at war with New Jersey…”
It’s too early for nutty trutherist conspiracies.
I hate tofu. I like ice cream though!
I’m certain that Trump will be very proud of himself that he was able to force the President to do something that no one else could.
God, this is going to be spun so many ways until tomorrow. All the news bureaus might as well close for the next week or two. The beltway news have their story and will sing to the heavens how wonderful Obama was.
5 years? The house was built 5 years ago and the CIA suspected it was where bin Laden was, but no one thought “maybe we should attack”? We drone strike innocent wedding parties left and right, but a likely hide out of bin Laden. *meh* Sounds like someone needed good political press in a hurry. That whole Libya thing and/or economy not working out so well.
We’ll need an enhanced patdown to enter NJ.
Good morning! Spirited debate is encouraged, but please do not insult other commenters.
Good morning all.
On Morning Joe, as might be expected, this is all a vindication of everything Junior did.
I’ll be Gates resigned or got fired because this was so friggin’ farfetched..but now the whole country has swallowed another huge fish.
This is the biggest shiny object I’ve ever seen.
me too..Bluebell, homemade vanilla..from the little creamery in Brenham
Thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, all for one six and a half foot tall Arab who needs dialysis and now there’s a 7 page “obituary” in the NYT, a party on the White House lawn and it “only” took ten fucking years. It took less than half that time to defeat Germany, Japan and Italy and now the “terrorism threat” has been elevated. Am I the only one who doesn’t feel like celebrating?
Me too! Blue Bell is the best.
No, you’re not the only one.
Wingnuttiest tweet of the day.
We can always count on Anchor Baby to put things in perspective.
Morning BT & Firepups.
see? hasn’t it always been like that? They call it a greeting, we call it invasive patdown, we say to-may-to, they say to-mah-to, when will it ever end?
LOL..I wonder what the new “colors” are…chartreuse to super neon candy red…
WTF “Buried at Sea”?!? Suddenly this story smells like bullshit.
all for one six and a half foot tall Arab
Now a martyr, soon to be replaced in real life by some other whackjob. We get to start all over.
War is peace.
On Morning Joe: This may be the fist pump that the economy needs.
Good Morning, All
I didn’t catch any news last night, so this is all new to me. Catching up.
Yeah, give the administration the benefit of the doubt. After all, administration after administration lying and doing things to benefit themselves politically makes for a much better narrative for the months and years to come when there is a slow news day.
Getting rid of the body, that’s just what you should do. After all, he killed thousands of Americans, but we should respect his religious beliefs? What did we do with Saddam’s kids after we killed them? How many days were they on display in Baghdad?
Or how about we bury him, but gives a chance to be able to revisit his body in the event it is necessary? Bury him at sea.. Please. Sure does make this a open and shut case, huh? The best and brightest close this avenue for a reason.
Osama bin Laden “resisted”? What does that mean? How many billions have been spent in non-lethal weapons research in the past several decades?
They set themselves up for conspiracy theorists.. People like you will throw stones, but they are legitimate questions.
They must have some mixed emotions at the Carlyle Group. Carlyle invests in war and terror, with partners Bushies and Bin Ladens profiting greatly from the war on terror. No conspiracies there. They are investment bankers same as Buzzy Krongard’s investment bankers betting against airliners before 9-11.
Everyone must view the “video”…so hilarious…the pool balls turn “black” when they get shot…ROFLMAO
The CNBC market guy on Morning Joe did everything he could to keep from crying on-air.
But, BT, you’re forgetting about the pressing need to convince millions of Americans that Saddam Hussein was working with the uber evil al-Qaeda and to convince millions of Americans that invading Iraq would be some sort of justifiable payback for 9/11.
Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
Everywhere I look, pundits and talking heads are jabbering about “justice” being done. These people have confused revenge with justice. Justice would have been to capture him and put him on trial. Shooting him in the head and dumping the body in the ocean, (really?), is revenge.
heyyy!!!! that’s a good idea! I’ve got a bikepump I can lend to the war – I mean – econ effort and some nice knitted hoodies for the crossing the delaware part. Oh wait, wrong war…
How will the corporate media spin this to insure GWBush is given the sole credit?
1) Theres a photo of “osama”‘s corpse floating around thats a photoshop
2) There wasa fox ticker saying “Obama Bin Laden is dead”
When you think about it, killing Osama is the perfect Obamic accomplishment–looks good on the resume; changes nothing.
Jesus Christ! The reason the economy sucks ass is because the rich are sitting on enormous piles of idle cash that they saved by eliminating jobs in the US and moving them overseas. Next thing you know Wolf Blitzer will be telling us that this will surely solve global climate change.
I bet you money they likely recorded the attack. Bet those videos won’t see the light of day. Perhaps they’ll be destroyed and I’m sure we won’t pursue the CIA with the details.
It is curious though that the SEALs were used. Do we have any official government entity reporting this? So much of the time the media gets these details wrong. Seems like this would have been Delta’s prevue. SEALs are really good at KILLING people. I hate when people compare Green Berets and SEALs, two different MOs. DELTA and SEAL Team Six have similar tasking, but considering at what level this operation was pursued, it doesn’t make sense that this didn’t go to DELTA.
good morning, BT; morning, pups. On our local news we’ve already had our congressman and senator interviewed to say what a grand moment this is, etc etc. I expect many of the cockroach politicians to be coming out of the woodwork to have some of that glory shine on them. Can’t waste an opportunity, can we?
Are you pups elsewhere seeing the same thing?
In the meantime, it’s still Springtime for Bankers…
Got a link?
I don’t understand how these “actor talking heads” can repeat this as real news with a straight face…it is straight out of the Onion.
Hedges weighs in on OBL killing…
Where death is concerned our “justice” system is all about revenge. Always has been, always will be. Eye for an eye, all that rot from the Old Testament.
They’ve been showing it on MSNBC all morning…I’ll try Youtube or something…
I’m hep but I thought it needed pointing out. Ironic that the wingnuts are all about an eye for an eye while denouncing Sharia, eh?
Wait, one of the FDL bloggers put up something this morning saying:
“…Bin Laden was killed in a firefight along with two other men and one woman. Reports are saying that she was used as a human shield. The compound was then destroyed by demolition charges and Bin Laden’s body was taken out with the strike team. ..”
The building was destroyed too? You have got to be shitting me. Bodies dumped at sea. Man, give me a friggin’ break.
Oh, got it. Dunno if my stomach is up to Scarborough and his barbie meat puppet this early.
God bless America.
Yep. And now anybody who questions this bullshit will be involved in a “conspiracy theory”.
Ssshhh.. the rank and file are using this as an opportunity to paint everyone as a nutter and saying this is Obama’s big moment to show us how much Hope and Change has come and why we should elect him.
So, in short, we attack a building with huge walls via helicopter, we kill everyone inside, blow up the building, make up a story and dump the bodies at sea as per cultural norms.
1. Wasn’t OBL more useful alive than dead.
2. Is it October 2012 already?
Agreed. We stand in wait armed with sunglasses to protect us from the inevitable blinding reflection of March of the Foil Hats. We know it’s going to happen. Screams from the parade that the long form was fake. Those who claimed Bin Laden has been dead for years will claim he’s alive….he’s alive. The Lightening…”Igor pull the switch. He’s alive. He alive…” Shit. I can’t bear it…
Peggy Noonan on MSNBC: God bless the USA.
Gordon Felt: We’re NUMBER ONE.
Haven’t seen the video yet.
Here. You have to watch the whole report.
Hi Margaret. It’s hard at this point to have the courage to ask real questions and provide real analysis of what appears to have happened. The questions and criticisms will come next year. That’s something.
I heard a helicopter had malfunctioned, and they blew it up rather than leave it behind. That may have why they reported the compound was blown up.
FWIW, it is going to be a challenge for FDLers to come to grips with this in a way that is productive. Just had a conversation with my daughter in Manhattan. We both cried the night Obama was elected. (What a fool I was.) She not so much.
I tried to put my feelings in the context of all the disappointment we’ve witnessed, as well as the internal self-inflicted destruction of our society that we face. I’m not sure I succeeded. It will take many more conversations, I guess. But I do not want to crush her hope.
I know exactly what you mean. Ditto.
I heard the key intel came from a Gitmo.
Finally seen the video.
The Americans were blue balls. The enemies were red balls.
Cue Donald Trump’s criticism of the liberal bias in the media.
Yeah, Obama is probably thinking he built up a huge pile of political capital with this. Wonder what he’ll kill next? Social Security or Medicare, maybe?
Chuck Todd puts this in perspective: The fight is about more than one man.
Let the wars continue!
Thanks for the link.
I heard it reported that our Ms Hutchison did that this am….Course they’re both from Dallas….
Graeter’s from Cincinnati, black raspberry chocolate chip!
Hey, no reason to give up perfectly good slaughter just because the booger man is dead. They are already calling some Egyptian doctor the new booger man.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,566
US KIA Irak: 4,452
Iraki, Afghan and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2011: 15,004 and counting
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
No war but class war
Never. Give. Up.
morning eCAHN. With sinking poll numbers, this comes at an opportune time, no?
Yup. Can’t wait to hear what he says. He’ll tell the truth and they’ll paint him like a nutcase.
Buried at sea…gimme a break.
But then what’s he gonna do for the October surprise?
O really…sounds like a spare. I keep trying to be optimistic. Sure is hard.
CBS apparently has the Taiwanese video…
Do we really need to spell out every other damn thing the government has ever lied about to change public opinion on things? Gulf of Tonkin anyone? USS Liberty? America is only usually spurred to war or dramatic change in opinion by grandiose action.
Economy and public opinion not going the way you want? Fabricate some event or punch the card of some guy you’ve known the location of for 5 years and completely destroy everything so no one can question it.
This country really is sick. It is a shame we never learn from history. No, it is a shame that we never are willing to at least entertain differing perspectives. It was clear that this would be questioned, but the best and brightest didn’t think to play this scenario out? You didn’t think he’d resist?
Who paid for the house? Who came and went for all those years? Have we identified and tracked all who were involved with the site? Only now though we attack?
You know, while we all might get excited and cheer the news of bin Laden’s death.. He still won. He caused us to destroy ourselves financially and destroy all the things that made our country such a (theoretically) mythical place. As I type this people are having their privacy invaded, rights are being denied and probably somewhere, someone is being tortured in the name of this country.
bin Laden won.
The Neocons won…or so they think.
It does seem strange:
1) If OBL was aware we were attacking, that there wouldn’t have been a suicide bomb…I’d think OBL would have better means of defense besides using a single human shield.
2) The burial at sea. That dog really doesn’t hunt and from I can tell would violate Islam…OBL didn’t allegedly die at sea and it seems hard to believe that the US had to so hurried dispose of the body, which we’ve not done for others.
The winner is fish food.
Plenty of options still available. Yemen, Syria, Iran, Vermont, Berkley, …………
I understand that the government has done a lot of truth distortion, but we’ve all heard the old even a broken clock saying.
I was just telling my son about all the comments here about not believing aspects of this story. He said, well you’re watching the four stages of grief starting.
What’s so hard about believing he was buried at sea? I’m just wondering. It makes sense to me to not have a grave site.
Don’t know anyone who would grieve OBL’s death.
“What’s so hard about believing he was buried at sea?”
The problem is that this just comes down to having to take Obama at his word, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You’re framing it that we have to believe everything the President says, but it’s up to the President to prove his own assertions.
Democracy Now! covering this with Scahill, Fisk, Ali, all folks who know what they’re talking about.
I don’t think that was his point. Reaction to any critical news.
How much time does the military spend burying Muslims within 24 hours that they kill? How often do they dump their bodies at sea?
Hi demi. For me it’s not so much that he was buried at sea but that he was immediately buried at sea. They shoot the big booger man, cut a chunk off him for DNA testing and then dump the body in the ocean before the results even come in? That doesn’t make sense to me.
Of course that being said, if OBL wasn’t actually dead I rather doubt they would claim he is. It would be too easy to disprove and highly embarrassing for the people who said he was. I don’t question the death, just the circumstances.
Far too many people won’t believe it anyway. Truthers, Birthers, and now OBLers.
Never said you have to believe anything. Sorry if I framed that ineffectively. This isn’t about me. I watch patterns of behavior.
The fucker is dead. No grave, no monument to gather about and mourn. GONE!! Revenge? Maybe but justice at last for the grief he caused. Bye bye mother fucker.
I think you framed it well. It does make sense to not have a gravesite for a martyr…however, there are other questions too…just sayin’.
I read that the timing was to comply with Muslim religious practices. And, I don’t believe every thing I hear or read either. But, I don’t jump on the non-belief wagon either. Not saying you do. You are one of the more “thoughtful” commenters here, imo.
The issue here is the fact that it deviates from how we have treated other high value Islamic targets. We put Saddam’s kids out on tour in Baghdad to try to quell the fears of the people in Iraq. We can’t even wait up to 24 hours for OBL? Just toss him at sea so we can do no further analysis of the body? You don’t think that he is an exception to the rule?
Oh, I’m certain I’m just being nutty. Why destroy the entire building in the aftermath of the event? Why not secure the area and take everything from it? Or is a mad dash through the building enough? If we were actually interested in combating terrorism, you don’t think this might be a treasure trove of information? Especially since he doesn’t have internet or telephones?
The assault might have come from the air, but SF was undoubtably on the ground ensuring that no one could leave the area. They could have secured the building, used non-lethal means and recorded the whole thing. Would have made for some nice video. They went with a kill team because they had no intention of taking him alive. It is just that simple.
One good thing about this “scenario”. The other Repubs can’t use OBL or 9/11 the same way they have for the past 10 years…however, they’ll just make up other stuff..
You misread her statement;she’s asking a question. Nothing is “framed”…sorry to interrupt.
There are always more questions than answers. And, I don’t discount questions. I’m all for them.
Burial at sea, hundreds of miles from where he died, is a way to cover up something that needs to be hidden It bespeaks a significant effort to comply with someone’s wishes, something rarely accommodated to a criminal.
Of course, if one wanted to elevate the criminal’s status as well as hide awkward evidence, then burial at sea is perfect.
If he was “buried at sea”, it is far more likely the helicopter carrying his body had to ditch and they could not recover his body before the sinking ‘copter took it down.
“They shoot the big booger man, cut a chunk off him for DNA testing and then dump the body in the ocean before the results even come in? That doesn’t make sense to me.”
Good point. Whoever was allegedly buried at sea was buried before the DNA results came in. Convenient that they had to dispose of the body before it was IDed.
How much time have you spent operating with Special Forces? What is your source of expertise?
I read that the timing was to comply with Muslim religious practices.
Really? Hmmmm. I claim ignorance. Dunno anything about their religious practices. Thanks for that clue.
Right. That’s why other “commenters” like me who don’t buy everything remain “thoughtful” too…that is a little hurtful to discount others..just saying.
Ah, Bev. I usually don’t add a comment that might get some flack without putting on my Big Girl Panties. But, thanks.
Who gives a shit? You want the whole fucking terrorist world waiting with baited breath to see if their leader was “really” the guy killed. Of course, it was. If ever it is found otherwise, we will almost certainly hear about it. Besides, there will be other bin Ladens to contend with in the future. The conspiracy nuts will have some fun but there is no fucking way to not have that. I’m just glad the bastard is dead and GONE.
Those are usually necessary around here, yep. :)
So are we going to bury KSM at sea?
Besides, there will be other bin Ladens to contend with in the future
Nothing like having other booger men around to sell warz to the gullible, yep.
Didn’t mean it to be hurtful to you. Sorry if it seemed that way. Saying Margaret is thoughtful doesn’t preclude that there are others too. Again, my apologies for not being more clear.
Sheesh. Osama is dead.
I don’t belong here anymore. Bye.
Came back to edit my typo. The invective here is more than I can read anymore. Time to move on.
“Who gives a shit? You want the whole fucking terrorist world waiting with baited breath to see if their leader was “really” the guy killed.”
Everyone who believes we shouldn’t just blindly take what our President and other politicians say should care. If you just want to unquestioningly believe whatever our Presidents and politicians say, you’re perfectly free to live that way, but both with politics and in general I believe extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence not merely believing something said by a politician as a cult of personality.
I read that in a comment on Jane’s thread from last night. I have no personal knowledge.
Not at all Demi…you know I luv ya. Just that some of us see the “scenario” as contrived in a whole host of ways. We all see things differently. No worries.
…I believe extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…
Well said. Absent evidence we have to rely on something somebody claims. When I see the evidence, I’ll make my own judgment. That might be that the guy is dead or I might decide that I can’t reach such a conclusion. People say that they’ve been abducted by aliens from outer space all the time but the evidence so far doesn’t support it.
It is what is being reported in the MSM to justify the “sea” thingy.
That thread was moving so fast, I couldn’t keep up! good on you for catching it.
It reminds me of the Jessica Lynch/Tillman stuff.
“Absent evidence we have to rely on something somebody claims. When I see the evidence, I’ll make my own judgment. That might be that the guy is dead or I might decide that I can’t reach such a conclusion.”
Yeah, OBL might well have been killed in a firefight a few days ago in Pakistan, just I don’t like it where I’m put in a position where I must take a politician at his word, particularly over something of such seriousness. This is way too big a deal to just blindly trust Obama that his story is true.
I just want to add that this has nothing to do with my feelings about Obama or Osama. As a scientist, I can’t just accept what somebody tells me is the truth without evidence and when somebody says “Oh by the way, I disposed of the evidence”, I get suspicious, even if it was done to conform to religious beliefs. When we’re all done collecting and analyzing the evidence, I’ll decide whether in my opinion it’s true, bullshit or inconclusive. Not before.
Their track record for bullshit is a strike against their credibility, yep.
Yes, demi, this is an interesting “opportunity” to watch “patterns of behavior”, here … and everywhere.
And, as well, to consider the true cost of what has been “won” … and all those many things which are lost.
And to ponder: What has been learned? What is, now, understood?
(A new “boogerman” is always available … and after ten-thousand years, there will always be another one … until human beings learn … something.)
If today does, somehow, warrant a celebration, what does tomorrow deserve?
And such time as WE have … after that?
Ah well, learn and live …
It also complies with Muslim Law…Muslims strive to bury the deceased as soon as possible after death, avoiding the need for embalming or otherwise disturbing the body of the deceased. An autopsy may be performed, if necessary, but should be done with the utmost respect for the dead. That from this.
The boy who cried wolf.
I know they’ve got this whole backward attitude against pork, shellfish, dead bodies and all sorts of other problems that refrigeration solved.
Yes, that is true. But do they, the US, bury all of the Muslims they kill that way though..or just OBL? I’ve never heard of them picking up bodies and respecting them out in the “theater”..they just refer to them as Hadji or something like that and bomb them with drones and bombs. It is the hypocrisy that gets me..even if it is to lessen the “martyr” factor. Just doesn’t add up in my mind, but oh well so it goes.
Is there some way to use this information diplomatically to our advantage?
One of the questions that was asked in this household this morning.
We live. Some learn. And, I do believe that questions asked can be helpful.
I can’t figure that one out either.
Also, now that we have over population, what’s wrong with spilling seed and same gender sex. Hmmmmm.
This is from Think Progress
The body of Bin Laden will be handled “in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition,” according to a White House official. In Islam, bodies must be buried within 24 hours, and U.S. officials confirmed that Bin Laden’s body was buried at sea. Handling the body according to custom is “something we take very seriously,” the official said.
I’m not a big fan of hypocrisy myself. Darn human beans.
PS…sending you a small bouquet of wild flowers. *g*
They’re stuck in the fifteenth century demi. When Europe was backwards and stuck in the fifth century, Islam was in the fifteenth, now Europe has moved forward while Islam has stagnated. It’s a shame. Our culture owes them so much.
“It also complies with Muslim Law…Muslims strive to bury the deceased as soon as possible after death, avoiding the need for embalming or otherwise disturbing the body of the deceased.”
Burial at sea is for those who died at sea, which this specifically allegedly didn’t happen at sea. Burial at sea most definitely disturbs the body of the deceased.
Sorry. The whole thing stinks of propaganda. To me, that is…
Again, I don’t care about their beliefs. I just care that the evidence is gone.
Oh boy, and when the fish eat the body…uhh..I don’t think that will go over well.
When I was a child, I thought like a child. When I grew up, I put away my childish toys.
When we learn something new, it’s a good thing and doesn’t mean we were wrong before. Just ignorant. People are so afraid of being “wrong” that they cling to old ideas. Could explain a lot of the science deniers. Maybe?
Nicely put (((demi)))!
Thanks. I guess when I put my big girl panties on, they come with a thinking cap. (Kind of a weird image tho, sorry. giggle)
Yes, and thinking people will question this PR stunt. As in:
Yes, propaganda as Obama’ s numbers were falling – Waaalaa! as the French say – here ya go, folks! The bad guy’s head on a platter! (except, where’s the head/beef? Floating in the Indian Ocean?? What?) See
I lived in Kashmir, India for almost a year with a Muslim family. Kashmir is an area similar to where ObL was *allegedly* “killed.” I never knew of one Kashmiri family – and I knew some that were pretty wealthy who had a relative that died – who buried their dead at sea.
Can we all say together now: boooooogus.
Can we also say: the 2012 POTUS campaign season just kicked into high gear?????
Please: what a load of absolutely appalling rubbish this is. Pull the other one, sparky.
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