It’s worth revisiting the bizarre interview Franklin Graham (R-NC) gave with Christiane Amanpour in which he came close to endorsing the Reality Show Guy, questioned Obama’s citizenship and faith — and made this historically revisionist claim.
“A hundred years ago the social safety net in the country was provided by the church,” the Rev. Franklin Graham told Christiane Amanpour. “If you didn’t have a job, you’d go to your local church and ask the pastor if he knew somebody that could hire him. If you were hungry, you went to the local church and told them, ‘I can’t feed my family.’ And the church would help you. And that’s not being done.”
Graham’s comments come as people across the country debate the degree to which the government should manage social programs including Medicare, social security and health care.
“The government took that,” Graham said. “They had more money to give and more programs to give and pretty soon the churches just backed off.”
Leaving aside the logic problems here (religious organizations have a huge financial incentive to give to the poor through the tax code; churches depend on charitable donations so if their entire congregations are impoverished, they are impoverished, etc.), Graham is making this nakedly partisan argument: everything was much better in this country before those liberals ruined it with their meddling programs.
But why wouldn’t a follower of Jesus be pleased that poverty dropped under the Great Society?
In 1964, 44 percent of seniors had no health care coverage, and with the medical bills that come with older age, this propelled many seniors into poverty. In fact, more than one in three Americans over 65 were living below the poverty line — more than double the rate of those under 65. Medicare was an important and big change in American health care — it was called the “biggest management job since the invasion of Normandy” — and it was up to John Gardner to make it work. He helped shepherd Medicare to reality, and the results have been extraordinary: virtually all seniors now have health care, and the poverty rate for the elderly has fallen to approximately one in ten — a rate lower than that of the general population. Along with Medicare, the Johnson Administration established the Medicaid program to provide health care to the poor.
I guess by 1964, churches had been sufficiently discouraged by the New Deal to provide adequate health care for old people. Or perhaps too many old people had become godless secular liberals who didn’t go to church.
In any case, someone might want to point out to Graham that by far the largest Christian denomination in America are Catholics, and the US Catholic Bishops enthusiastically support Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Also, many of the largest charities in the Philanthropy 400 are religious organizations, and probably wouldn’t like their efforts to fight poverty to be characterized as “backing off.”
Finally, if Graham is so concerned about the record numbers of poor people in this country, he can donate all of that $1.2M salary he makes running his dad’s business to help them.
Or is the government stopping him?





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I never knew you, Franklin Graham.
Tax ‘em. Let them know what a war on Christainity REALLY means
Shutdown the Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships slush fund and really watch him scream.
I’m sure what he’s missing are the proslytizing opportunities that forcing indigent people to go to churches for help would represent.
It wouldn’t be a war on Christianity; it would be sensible tax policy and it’s long past time for property of all religions to be taxed.
We see a bread line; he sees a cash cow.
He hasn’t bent a finger to help poor people. He shouldn’t speak publicly on the subject, besides when he sticks his foot into politics he needs to pay taxes first!
Wow. Look at those factual statistics that show liberal policies improving the state of the Union.
Kind of inconvenient, those numbers, for the people who want to destroy those programs by privatizing them.
Exactly.
The point I’m arguing with alamode downstairs. The fundamental difference between the left and right in this country is that we value individual human life. The right does not.
The repukes can’t read numbers. They only know what the leaders or Rush tell them.
Which kind of explodes the whole anti-choice “pro-life” stance, doesn’t it?
They can read numbers, but only on checks made out to them.
Franklin has been missing the good old days and has been off attempting to relive part of them with shenanigans in Alaska (hat tip EdwardTeller).
JC Penny thought that if giving 10% did God’s work what would happen if you gave away 90%.
Wonder if Franklin thinks like that ? If not why not ?
Biggest scam in America tax free Churches.
Of course it is, Blue Texan! It’s All The Government’s Fault for taxing the good Reverend too much! If the Government would let him keep more of HIS MONEY, then he could give more to charity.
Never mind, of course, that Jesus said all that stuff about helping the poor when the Roman Empire was much less wealthy than America is now. It’s all taxes. All of the world’s problems can be explained by some combination of the following:
1. Government spending and taxes.
2. Government regulation.
3. The unions.
4. The Sixties.
5. An insufficiently violent U.S. foreign policy.
is it just me or is that pic up top kinda Hitleresque?
Amen
For Graham, it is all about the power. He wants the poor dependent on the largesse of the church (and it is purely discretionary largesse on the part of the churches, unlike the government which is required to provide assistance if you meet specific economic criteria) and therefore subservient to it. Given that churches routinely only provide aid to members or those showing an inclination to join, this becomes a great congregation builder. It also directly increases the power of the local minister who normally decides who is worthy of help and who is not.
Ah, the good old days. I, too, Rev. Graham, miss the days before Walmart and the corporate model where CEOs make their fortunes by laying off workers in order to produce a better quarterly statement.
I had a conversation with a university student three summers ago in which he said that social programs take away his ability to practice Christian charity. (No joke. That’s what this otherwise smart young man literally said.)
Now that I think about it, I wonder if he’s graduated from the university and turning to his pastor for charity rather than collecting unemployment checks…
They are all going to hell. lol
You forgot the Kennedy and the Clenis. That would complete your list.
!!!11!! Well done.
An adult born again – one of earths uniquely vile life forms.
Are you saying that there’s nothing particularly Christian about these charlatans who harness the power of the word “Christian” in order to advance some twisted agenda?
Franklin thinks he’s “entitled” to His money…magical
thinkingfantasy.My son’s famous quote on this subject: What does Christ have to do with Christianity anyhow.
I think that’s just you. Maybe you’re looking at it without focus and seeing the open mouth as a little mustache. Sorry, but Hitler was a crazy fanatic with wild gestures more than a little prick with a little mustache. I’ll say this for the Rev, he looks in the picture like a real minister speaking about the word of the Lord.
Magical tithing.
Why is the text made to look like Graham is an elected government politician?
He elected him…or so he believes…holier than thou and all that stuff….he suffers from religious materialism.
It’s meant to show he’s a partisan, which he is. And highlight the cozy relationship of Evangelical Christianity with American politics.
And if you told that church you were not a member of their denomincation they told you to go to hell. Convert or die. Soup and a sermon worked just so well duting the Great Depression, why wouldn’t we want to go back to it? The collective memory in this country is pretty bad.
He hears voices…that’s a problem. Needs meds.
So, does American Christianism with its “Fuck you, I got mine” doctrine care at all about the profound teachings of Jesus Christ?
I’m guessing no.
“A hundred years ago the social safety net in the country was provided by the church.”
Which is a lie, and we’ve got the township records in our museum to prove it. In Illinois, township government was responsible for assisting “paupers,” funding with tax dollars the “town house” where paupers were allowed to live. Township records are replete with expenses paid on behalf of paupers from firewood to medical care to food and clothing. Churches may have helped a little–depending in whether the pauper in question belonged to the church in question–but it certainly doesn’t show up in either the press of the era or in township records. Paupers were mostly widowed or otherwise unmarried women, but they also included those injured on the job and who were otherwise unemployable.
Ignorance and total disinterest in history is a positive plague on the American body politic.
The New Testament with all of its prattle about the poor and the meek and the rich not getting into heaven is very inconvenient to wingers.
Their bible consists of the Old Testament and Revelations.
Secular government, particularly social democratic secular government with aggressive civil rights protections in place, allows people to live non-conservative lives.
Conservative society has a purpose – to produce a society with a high concentration of authoritarian followers. Authoritarian leaders think that’s just peachy.
When reality doesn’t support their conservative vision, they just make shit up. Whatever it takes to seize and hold power.
Hell, ya don’t even need to go back 100 years. I’m 58 and remember the “Old Folks/County Poorhouse” in my home county in Kentucky when I was a kid
Red States give more to Charity Blue states pay more in taxes guess who has better education, high school and college graduation rates, lower infant morality rates and live longer?
The free market has shown in a real world example that our results our better that government socialism is better than free market charity at helping people.
Also how many charities like Bill Frists are more political campaigns? The Moonies are a church and cash given to them is tax free maybe private charity would do better at helping people if it was better regulated and a firm percentage was forced to be spent on the poor rather than running anti gay ads like the Catholics and Mormons do.
Diary! I’m in forrest Park Illinios :) gotta go
All they have are lies. Oh and people gullible and uninformed enough to believe them.
So, does American Christianism with its “Fuck you, I got mine” doctrine care at all about the profound teachings of Jesus Christ?
Yes but they took the Pharisses side against Jesus they care about Jesus to better answer his arguments to stop his long hair hippy ideas from spreading.
Remember the Romans were privatizing crucifiction and tax collection around this time. I wonder if George Bush and Prince from Blackwater in an earlier life helped with that crucifiction?
Gotta go serious now:)
Well there was the “Billy Graham Statue Unveiled” (June 20, 2006) in Greensboro, NC– only a 1.5 hour drive from Charlotte for the 2011 Democratic National Convention. And there’s this piece: “Franklin Graham’s Unscriptural Ecumenism” (Oct. 6, 2008). So we’re just seeing another big wave of activity in time for elections?
“The government took that,” Graham said.
Really, Graham? The government prevented Christians from acting on the commandments of their principal religious figure? Graham to Jesus: “Well, we could have done better to take care of ‘the least of these,’ but Caesar tied our hands, so we just gave up.” Doesn’t say much about the religious conviction required to put one’s money where their mouth is. Sounds like a failure of Christians not of government. But Graham is just after a piece of the mammon pie.
To paraphrase George Carlin, if religious organizations want to get involved in politics, let them pay their way like everybody else. Churches continue to be subsidized by taxes because they are a great mechanism for social control. And a control addict like Graham knows this well.
Our county was too small to have its own poor farm, so local townships paid to send folks to a neighboring county’s poor farm. I’ve never been able to figure out from the records what the point was when that happened. It seems the poor farm option wasn’t available until the early years of the 20th Century.
Back in the late 1800s, one guy was injured when he fell off the roof. The early mentions of him were very respectful, calling him mister. But after four or five years, references were only by his last name. Eventually, the township offered him a deal: They’d give him $100 (a fair sum at the time) if he got on the train and promised never to come back to our township again. Which he did. Don’t know what happened to him after that.
But I do know that lawsuits between townships sometimes arose when they persuaded paupers to move to other localities, which is one reason things like food stamps, Social Security, Medicaid, and other such programs are still supported by most officials at the township and county level, even wingnuts, because they know the money won’t then be coming out of their property taxes.
I talk to Him and He talks to me.
If you don’t do what He told me to tell you, you are all going to hell.
Give Him His money…and I’ll be his ummm…”treasurer”.
Excuse me while my head rotates 360…
Like I said He said to me, give “me” the money…umm..for Him.
This is a holy hold-up!
Signed, the Devil!! mwahahahahaha …oh, I mean Franklin.
The only thing keeping Graham from giving away all his $1.2 million salary to the poor, as his god commanded him to do, is Graham. And yet he blames Caesar. The true sign of a sociopathic authoritarian: all of the power, none of the responsibility.
“Been talkin’ to Jesus, and He knows I’m right…”
eCAHNomincs’ son nailed it at #28, if Graham, his ilk and followers are any indication.
Minus the books of Ruth, Ecclesiastes, and all that erotic stuff by Solomon plus the fundy, weird-ass, ascetically-twisted rantings of Paul. If I didn’t know better, I’d think that all the Conservative Christians were reading from Bibles that had been purged of every word attributed to Jesus.
“My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight,” John 18:36
Oh, don’t leave out “Saint” Paul’s Misogyny!
The rightwingnut doesn’t fall far from the tree. Sonny-boy Graham is a chip offa Daddy Graham’s block. Both LIE like a rug, suck up as much money as possible from the rubes, and their evangelical “preachings” have little to do with either reality or the teachings of a prophet called Jesus.
They seem to think that words printed in red are optional…
Ding, ding, ding!!!
Many good comments here, but I think this one really hits the nail on the end. Frank Graham’s bald-faced LIE about so-called “Christian charity” has nothing whatsoever to do with, you know, actually feeding & clothing the poor, the downtrodden and/or the hungry, much less with helping them get jobs.
Nup, what Frank’s panties are inna big bunch about is that if citizens can, you know, find non-Authoritarian way to help themselves, why then, they may not be authoritarian enough to be mindlessly bamboozled into giving away their money & their independent thinking to charlatans like Graham (pere et fils).
Wait til Frankie gets left behind at the rapture..lol
Right. It’s all about power and getting another hook into people.
It’s never been about anything else to his kind.
OH, no, we don’t want him left here whining. He would just be a pest.
Prolly while trysting in some backwood trailer park…
it is becoming more and more apparent that peaceful coexistence with these goddamned fucking fuckers ain’t what we need.
I grew up in the South with Billy Graham ringing in my ears as a Southern Baptist. Listening to this crap out of his son makes me sick to my stomach as he twists the meaning of being a Christian with his views of politics and the President. I think it may be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than Franklin Graham though the gates of heaven. What a fraud he is!
Damn! I was hoping we’d get all their stuff at the Rapture…
What we seem to have forgotten is that the reason for social security, medicare, welfare and all the rest of the programs for the poor is that the churches, as well as all the other charities that existed back then couldn’t keep up. There were so many who needed help. Many died, especially seniors, of starvation or exposure. Children as well.
For all their good intentions they were just not able to fill the demand. Not by a long shot. Is that the country that the Tea Baggers and the rest of the hard right want to take us back too?
Well, you can’t spell Christian without “Christ”, and Jesus suffered a lot more than having a smaller stack of goodies because of giving more money to the poor.
You can say that again!
Ah, the good old days, when women, African-Americans and the poor all knew their place. Hat in hand, on bended knee, gratefully accepting a bag of food from the male rep of the Great White Father in the Sky.
I’d prefer to live in a society that values all people, believes that people should live with dignity, and that doesn’t force people to listen to a proselytizer to get food or other assistance.
Not quite true -
The power to tax is the power to destroy and in the US the gov is not allowed to have the power to destroy churches.
If a Church does ANYTHING COMMERCIAL IT IS TAXED – the income and expenses involved must be reported on Federal form 990-T and a tax paid by 4/15 of the next year. Church run businesses are taxed today.
The Real Estate taxation exemption for churches required by the Constitution has been extended to most non-profits including colleges (with some giving minor gifts to the city as “in lieu of for services” – perhaps churches should be giving a gift “in lieu of” but based on college payments it would be minuscule in amount).
Saint Paul’s words can be read as “Misogyny” – but a better read, in my opinion, is Paul asking follows to be good examples – based on the culture of the day – so that their actions did not get in the way of the spread of the Gospel.
“Misogyny” does rear its ugly head later when the women that preached – Mary Magdalene (Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή) and those like her were replaced by males all within a hundred years – and Christ’s call for chastity was replaced in effect a 1000 years later by a requirement for priestly celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church (but not in the Orthodox Catholic Church or the Episcopal Catholic Church).
I ran into one argument that Jesus was a Pharisee (or taught by them); it was the Sadducees who ran the Temple in Jerusalem; they disappeared as a group when it was destroyed, so the people who wrote the NT books got it wrong, having no one who could correct their errors.
Thanks I have been meaning to read and mock those guys for a while I just don’t want to read them but if Sarah or a fundy is the GOP nominee I might have too.