Republicans and their hyper-rich supporters are engaged in an all-out effort to destroy government and the institutions that support it. Rick Snyder in Michigan destroys local governments. John Kasich in Ohio and Scott Walker in Wisconsin wreck unions in order to cut the pay of teachers, police and firefighters. The House, run by the Tea-GOP, wants to cut every social program, every federal initiative that improves the lives of humans, and most regulations. The unifying theme is the simplification of the structure of society, leaving individuals to struggle against one another for resources, instead of cooperating to improve the lives of average citizens.
I’ve been wondering whether the people behind this movement, people like the Koch brothers, the Scaifes, the Mellons, the Waltons and other rich people who inherited the money they spend freely in the cause, are even slightly worried about the fact that most Americans are armed. There is some evidence that they are. For example, one of Jamie Dimon’s perks is a home security system that cost the shareholders of JPMorgan Chase $17,052 last year (page 25 of 2011 proxy ). Gerard Arpey, the CEO of the money-losing American Airlines, got $56,440 from shareholders to pay for “security for his family.”
If the hyper-wealthy aren’t worried that society will collapse, they should take a look at academic studies. Nature News described an article published in the journal Nature in October 2010 discussing models of evolution of societies. The study concludes that societies evolve in incremental steps, and it supports the theory that societies can suddenly collapse in to less complex forms.
The work started with a tree of languages showing the divergence from some common language, which two of the authors and others published elsewhere:
The team then noted the types of society that are found in the region today, and superimposed that information onto the tips of the tree. Working back through the branches, they estimated how societies had changed and evolved over time, using language as a proxy measure.
This technique is similar to one used in gene studies, which look at differences in genes today, and work backwards to find common ancestors, or to compare the effects of those genes over time.
Nature News reports that Jared Diamond admires the work, and that some anthropologists are more cautious, partly because the idea is so new; partly because the work is statistical, and is not based on direct observation; and partly because the underlying idea of the evolution of languages is not fully understood. With those caveats, here are some of the ideas of the authors of the study. (The paper is not available on-line free, but you should be able to get it through your public library.)
They report that societies evolve in incremental steps from less complex to more complex. They point out the advantages of more complex social organizations in producing material wealth and security and providing an edge in competition with neighboring societies, but they find that societies have to evolve rather than move directly to more complex forms.
This could be due to such factors as an evolved social psychology adapted to life in small-scale groups, the difficulty in reorganizing existing institutions that rely on the coordination of large numbers of individuals, or the requirement for the development of other institutions before more hierarchical organization is stable.
They also note that societies can collapse into less complex forms without going back through those evolutionary steps.
This could occur if small, peripheral groups break away from the control of a centralized state or complex chiefdom to found new societies with fewer levels of political organization, or it could occur as part of a rapid, more widespread societal collapse and the breakdown of political institutions leaving smaller, less politically complex groups in some regions.
Societies collapse when the institutions that coordinate the activities of large numbers of people are destroyed. These institutions, like unions, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, independent legislatures, competent regulatory agencies, independent judiciaries, independent sources of information and transparency and an educated citizenry, all support complex social arrangements, the arrangements from which the greedy rich benefit more than anyone else.
Once these are wrecked, can the hyper-rich count on their private armies to protect them from armed angry people with nothing to lose? Do they think the National Guard of Ohio will repeat the killings at Kent State? Will the underpaid, overworked and disrespected police care if their houses are burglarized?
Maybe these wreckers can get one of their University of Chicago economists to produce a theory showing that ill-paid firefighters with no health insurance will risk their personal safety to put out a fire at Dimon’s multi-million dollar apartment.




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I think in general you guys should start including pictures of the people you’re writing about in the articles. Corporate portraits of a smiling Jaime Dimon and Gerard Arpey, Scaife, Mellon, and the Kochs would go well here, imo. They wouldn’t have to be that big, just a good likeness. Always nice to be recognized, I’m sure.
Sadly for all, I think the rich do expect to be immune from anything bad that happens within the economy/world/future dystopian society
There is no, as Krugman calls it, ‘counterweight’. to the brute force of money wielded by the hyper-rich. Certainly not the Democratic Party or any other institution I can think of. The hyper rich are free to take down society and, while they may ultimately pay a price for their brutality, it will pale in comparison to what the rest of us pay.
Geez,
Sometimes I think that what remains of the American Intellect has retreated to the pages of FDL. That makes this place where the lines in the sand are drawn.
Great work. Thanks.
Of course not. Rather than doing something about Citizens United while they had control of Congress, the Vichycrats instead went after their piece of the pie.
The Shock Doctrine was successfully applied to most of the non white world. It’s silly to believe it wouldn’t be replicated where it began. The Hypers know that America is about to become a non white majority. It no longer serves a useful purpose other than to exert corporate military control over global resources.
There’s no need to keep the welfare state, because there’s no military draft. Cannon fodder is either voluntary or employed outright now. Just let the folks with the collective memory of what happened between 1920 and 1950 die off and the rest are sheep.
Remember how easily the survivaball went over at the Halliburton conference expo?
The world that Neal Stephenson imagined in Snow Crash (1992)
looks a lot like the one we’re living in (2011).
Perhaps the rich will pay well for their own protection. A well-paid security staff is still less expensive than the taxes that they now pay for it.
But on a side note, when a society collapses, wouldn’t small factions start to reorganize and build up again, eventually becoming what we are today? Isn’t that how populations work over time?
The rich don’t know it yet but they cannot function without the middle class. Many times the layers of society are shown as a pyramid and you can’t remove the middle without the top falling over. The most fascinating subjects where they just don’t get it at all is climate change and pollution. They seem to assume that they will have “special” air to breathe, clean water to drink and that their food will come from pure soil. Very foolish people.
I see this as happening now in many ways. I consider myself as one of those persons that has had enough of the status quo. When do we start our own Progressive language? I’m ready.
The Robert Mugabe form of government.
Grab what you can while you can.
Oh, fer Gawrd’s Sake! There you go again. You have to tell the truth and screw up the rest of the comments. (grins)
{ LOL } Bees: still more popular than rich people!
OOPS! sorry :)
LOL! Always.
It comes down to one word: “Sociopaths”.
Can you say “Ayn Rand”?
Ok, three words.
Gee, I spent fifteen minutes finding a good Polynesian graphic with a creative commons license.
There is almost open season existing between Hispanics, blacks, poor whites, and all other low income groups, aided by the media, ignorance, and fear. These groups have bought into the idea that they must fight over crumbs and have not tried hard enough, worked hard enough, prayed hard enough, or killed enough to deserve a bigger crumb. While those at the bottom and increasingly the middle income groups engage in a circular firing squad, those at the top have little to worry about. The war on education will keep perpetuating these conditions; as long as we’re kept poor and stupid they’re safe.
Good point. The authors of the study say that happens, societies become more complex, crash, build new institutions, become more complex, crash and eventually get to a good place. Of course, crashes are still possible.
I cannot for the life of me get the picture out of my mind of the executive in Michael Moore’s movie. The executive with the giant remote control penis suit on is my current mind picture of all CEO’s.
None of those dwellings is Arty or Carl Gustaf proof.
I wonder how many stinger missiles have “returned home” in luggage?
(Response to arcadesproject @ 3): The Democratic Party now serves as a buffer between progressive activists who want change and the rich and connected in Washington, D.C., who don’t want change. The party now has negative value.
I love your graphic, masaccio! The statues kinda remind me of the three monkeys but with DEVO hats on.
With a big enough bomb, I don’t care how much his security system cost . . .
I believe that’s what they literally believe: they can wall themselves off inside gated communities with enough of the necessities of life to get them through any catastrophe. Except for those willing to become serfs to these new feudal lords, they’ll leave the rest of society to fend for itself.
But if that happens, THEY become the prisoners. And they can’t stay there forever.
OT– Starbuck, this is for you.
Eh? Check out almost any third world country that you care to. In all of ‘em is a small percentage of super-wealthy at the top, with a smaller “middle class” of educated merchants, business folks, teachers, etc, and a smaller still “working class” that run the prisons & some construction mgmt (and has some marginal level of “existence”)… and then a giant amount of peasants eking out a living.
Those at the top of the pyramid in third world countries are mostly pretty damn smugly happy with their lifestyles. Sure they have to pay for private security to protect them behind their walled & barbed wire communities. As Dick Cheney says: SO????? They don’t give a sh*t about the peons who are lying down and dying in the road down the street. The jackals or vultures will come along soon enough to pick the bones clean, and then the wealthy can pay a pittance to some other peon to take the bones away.
Think I’m making this up? I’ve lived in India, Indonesia, Thailand and parts of the Caribbean for brief – but long enough – periods to witness this very thing happening. I’ve spent time living with the very very poor, as well as living with some who, while not the super elite, were pretty darn wealthy.
Sure the very wealthy in 3rd world countries kinda/sorts despair about the poverty all around them – but mainly only bc of how it “inconveniences” them. Not bc they feel sorry about the poor or wish to help them. Not at all. Usually the wealthy in the third world are pretty much like the MOTU in the USA: they believe it’s their “right” to be super-rich and too bad for the poor. Not their problem. They turn their heads & avert their eyes, and send their kids to private school with guards to protect them against the rabble… and /or send their kids to school in the USA or Europe where they’ll be safer… with nary a thought to improving anything in their nation.
I don’t think the rich will be bothered in the slightest to have the USA be a third world country. If anything, they’ll most likely *celebrate* that the USA has finally “arrived” at that status, where the poor are so ground under that they no longer protest at the disparity.
I’m ever increasingly doubtful that the USA will not become a third world country. The Shock Doctrine has worked out very well here bc the US populace appears to be quite cowed under and willing to accept whatever is dished out to them by the PTB.
That sounds benign compared to the dystopia David Lozell Martin created in Our American King. The country ran out of energy, and the rich ran off into heavily fortified enclaves. Most Americans died in the aftermath, and the absolute worst place to be was the suburbs, which were designed for cheap and abundant energy that no longer existed.
John Bruner in his brilliant book “The Sheep Look Up” described the decline and fall of America back in 1972.
William Gibson called “The Sheep Look Up” the only SF book which shows the reality of today: terrorists are the only ones fighting back while drastic unregulated environmental pollution is killing most poor people, and insane fantastically wealthy corporations and rich people with private armies to protect them do even more damage. Civil unrest due to drastic oppression leads to total social decay.
The title of the novel is a quotation from the poem Lycidas by John Milton:
The hungry sheep look up, and are not fed,
But swoln with wind and the rank mist they draw,
Rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread …
Yes, and I’m telling you: they CAN do that and get away with it, and it’ll all work out just fine for them. Seriously. There’s not incentive, really, for the super wealthy to behave any differently. Visit any third world country of your choosing, and you’ll see exactly what I mean. The wealthy don’t give a sh*t about anyone else but themselves. And they can “make it” by paying privately for whatever they need.
Good job, Mac. You put your finger right on it.
It’s a real tough question for the fatcats: if they’re greedy enough to go the whole hog with the “If we can just get rid of Big Government, everything will be fine!”
crowd, they’ll have to deal with so many pissed-off americans that they could be living like the heads of some banana republic, and making goon-squad-security one hell of a growth industry.
On the other hand, if they don’t want to actually EAT the Obama goose, but are willing to just keep on picking up the golden eggs (and nibbling on her liver, a bit at a time…) they might be able to make this little corporate train stay on the track for, who knows how much longer?
Still, 2012 is looking more and more like a reckoning for most of us. Let’s see how many americans, especially, the “progressives” still on board with our Titanic skipper (who, as OldHippieJean said, keeps backing up and ramming the iceberg, over and over again) are willing to go down with the ship.
sorta related, especially the two papers listed under “further reading,” James K. Galbraith: The Implications of Rising Resource Costs for Economic Systems
Another great piece, Masaccio. Thanks much.
The “counterweight” to the hyper rich is the estate tax. Which is why they are so desperate to repeal it.
Look at countries like India, where there all kinds of environmental disasters going on that kill and injure peasants on large scales. Bhopal is just the tip of the iceberg, and how much did the peasants get in recompense? Bloodly little, if anything. Most of any “pay-offs” for the Bhopal disaster went to attorneys and/or to gov’t officials, and the “small people” got next to nothing or nothing at all.
Yet India carries on, and the rich get richer and richer.
We hear about a burgeoning middle class in India these days, which is true. But it’s still comparatively small to the vast majority of either “just poor” or merely eking out a living peasants. These serfs essentially have no rights, and while their lifestyles and wardrobes make for colorful, exotic photos, they live a life of destitution, often die very young and are also usually uneducated, hungry & malnourished for most of their lives.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you… the USA version of India… we are not all that far away from it, believe me… that’s why these sh*ts want to cut Soc Sec & Medicare. It’s just pushing third world conditions on seniors, the disabled and others in need in the USA. In third world countries, “Seniors” are not very old, they die when they hit their 50s, and the disabled don’t last very long. etc.
In my long-ago studies about the “Collapse of Complex Societies”, I recall that “expert opinion” assured us that, so long as “hierarchy” exists or is maintained, such a society cannot be said to have “collapsed”.
Semantic evasion benefits a few.
When queried as to the actual human aspect of society, its actual essence, if you will, that is: how individual people treat other individual people, expert opinin opined that such “perspective” was of very little importance, theory-wise, and of seriously little concern to those concerned with public administration …
It was all most impressive.
BTW masaccio, is that the beginning of the gathering of the Hundred Monkeys, up top?
DW
I keep coming back to George Carlin’s bit about The Big Club…
After reading some of John Perkins books that show exactly what the US is capable of and how they contribute to a society elsewhere, I can believe they want us all living in the sewer under cardboard boxes. And, if we have a job it will only pay 4 dollars a day which will be enough to buy one meal.
That and more soon!
Yes. Pretty much that’s what they want.
We can haz cardboard boxes?
Agree with everything you said. I’m not well traveled, but every place I have ever worked pitted worker against worker while management drew the high salaries, bonuses, extra weeks vacation, and pretty damn nice digs in which to set their wealthy asses. Believe this applies to a national, governmental situation as well.
Well, it’s definitely what the Corps do to foreign nations and then ignore it all while they are in their giant remote control penis suits.
I know of no place in history where a population would have sat idle when the banks did what they have done to us.
Yes, but no cheeze! ;-)
And taxes in general.
Capital gains – which is money from gambling on Wall Street – along with Hedge Funds are taxed a much lower rates than your income doing real work. Only suckers work- the rich just bets money and undermines the laws so they always win.
Taxes during the depression and WWII went way up for the rich- and America improved and became much more equal. SInce Reganomics, loving the rich has tanked the economy and destroyed the middle class. The best thing to do is tax anyone with over a million dollar income a year at sixty-percent, or more.
And why do we let multi-national corporations who gut American jobs and send them overseas get away with it? Because the entire society is now rigged so the rich can steal from the rest of us, and make the poor to go away and die. Which is what gutting Medicare and Social Security is all about.
Good reference to Vidal, up thread.
Again, Vidal: “The republicans think they’re going to get a lot of new maids and gardeners. What they’re going to get is some american cities on fire.”
The disheartening thing is that he was talking about Reagan’s policies (as best I remember. Might have been daddybush) and NOW, we’re talking about a man to whom we gave an historic victory in 2008, one which had the GOP shitting green nickels, and the reality is that Barack Obama has done rehab on them like he was the bestest ER surgeon who ever lived, dealing with a victim of a car wreck with every bone in their body broken.
Can ya cover the mortgage?
The hourly rates aren’t too bad, if ya have to rent, however, just to be honest with ya, ‘cuz I like yer looks, and since ya seem like a fine person, why, I’ll tell ya… it’s the shortage of bridges that stand up and sewers that don’t “collapse” that’s the real problem …
;~DW
Do you think it makes a difference that the people of those third-world countries are not heavily armed, and have no memory of what life could be?
Their tax burdens are actually zero after their loopholes and deductions. Plus, if there were a reality check for any of them we would NEVER have had tax deductions while our military is warring all over the world!
This is what the Republicans and corporations which control the media want for all Americans: They want Americans to have no memory of a better time; and be grateful for the greatly reduced crumbs your masters might condescend to throw your way -if you beg nicely.
I don’t think their goal is to destroy society. In fact, what they want to destroy is democracy, or at least its one person one vote incarnation. The right is authoritarian and wants “order”.
If they want to admit it or not, the end goal seems to be more like the f-word- government and industry working together for the benefit of the owners. Part of the Republican con is to convince the rubes that the owners interests are aligned with the voters interests (That they are the elite “winners” of society) And in that scenario, I doubt gun ownership among the population will mean much. In fact, those guns would be as likely turned against each other as they would be turned against the government.
I do! An armed citizenery would put an end to the cardboard houses in the sewers in a few days time.
Excellent post and comments! I learn so much here!
That’s a good point. Given those circumstances, maybe we can work a deal for one of those cool refrigerator boxes. That’s livin’…
You and masaccio have a very innerestin’ conversatin agoin’ there, PP.
Right now, I’d venture to say that you’ve had the last word.
YOUR version seems more likely in the short run, and you know what is said about the long run, I’m certain.
DW
Aw, DW.
I hope that scenario never happens here. All I know is that is what the US and it’s Corporate side do to other nations. I’m all for creating a new Progressive language, if for no other reason to communicate without the PTB understanding what we say.
This is what happens when sharks smell blood in the water. We have a Democratic president that barely mentions the fact he’s a Democrat. He attacks Congress as a whole, instead of attacking the conservative factions of tea partiers, republicans, and conservative democrats who work daily to subvert democracy and hand the remaining commons over to the oligarchs and plutocrats. We have a President who ignores the left of his party; ignores us in policy discussion, with the except of now, now that he needs us to get re-elected.
We also have a Democratic leadership, that outside of Nancy Pelosi, is as conservative as the Republican party of the 60′s and 70′s. We have a total leadership that runs away from the world “Liberal” as if it means we’re satanic worshippers or something.
Take all of this, combined with our party largely being sold out to corporate interests, and a republican party getting victory after victory from a Democratic president; what did we expect to happen. This president, for the first time in his presidency, finally made a mild, meek case for progressivism, but only after cloaking it in conservative language. Again, he’s what the Republican party used to be.
Unless and until we progressives and liberals understand that if we want to be included at the table we must force the Democratic president of our party to put us at the table. As long as we continue with this meme of not critiquing this presiden for fear of weakening him for the 2012 elections, we can expect more of this destruction.
This president has watched the destruction of this nation by the conservative governments taking over in state after state, destroying all of the social institutions developed to bring this nation into the 20th century and to help those who need help the most. He’s watched all of this destruction with barely a peep of outrage or even disapproval.
Yes the conservative sharks smell blood in the water. The oligarchs and plutocrats who’ve run that party for decades understand now is their time to strike. And what’s worse for us on the left, this will all happen with an ineffective Democratic president and congressional leadership sitting on their hands allowing it to happen. I have yet to see a counter-attack from the Democratic leaders. They will be blamed in the annals of history as being the Democratic leaders of this generation who allowed the conservative movement to destroy the New Deal and Greaty Society programs and institutions that lifted America out of a thirld world status.
Beginning with the centrist presidency of Clinton (he of the DLC) handing over the media with the telecommunications act of 1996, to the repeal of Glass-Steagell, to the passing of NAFTA and other trade deals, to the formation of the World Bank and IMF, to the de-teething of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, to selling out to wall street, etc; to this centrist president, all of whom refuse to acknowledge there is a progressive/liberal side of their party and essentially govern as a moderate Republican. It is this insidious alignment of corporatist conservadems with conservatives on the right that has led directly to the decline of America.
We on the left, those of us who are true to our progressive principles, we have to make a decision; are we going to continue to play the right vs left game, play the lesser of two evil cards, and continue to let Democratic presidents and congresses sell us out to the same people as the right, or are we going to stampede the DNC and take our party back from the false Democrats. Do we save this nation by playing the game, or do we save this nation by changing the game and the players in it? That is the question for this generation of liberals and progressives.
You shore do know quality, no doubt about it, but those estates are, as I’m certain you must understand, a bit more … um … exclusive and frankly, in short supply, so … well … you’re takin’ up-market.
Ya know, ya can prop up the side and have a porch and a real view, with those things …
They’ll even stand up to rain and snow, I’m told.
DW
BALDERDASH, HOGWASH, GARBAGE! 60 responses & no ones’s mentioned Obama is President, controlled both the Senate & the House for two years, has fawned over the Corporations & the uber-rich for three. Stop whining people, the DEMOCRATS are NOW in control & the DEMOCRATS are the ones to BLAME!
Futurespeak?
I like your thoughts PP.
And it would be better if our words, which the PTB and the MOTU disparage, were to be understandable and of interest to the many Americans who are not certain what they are, they are just confused and too easily frightened into accepting worsening conditions.
Maybe we have to put such words to danceable music?
DW
A very good question, masaccio, re how armed US citizens are. Unsure whether that will make a diff or not. Let’s face it, though, it seems (anecdotally) that most citizens who are heavily armed tend to be conservative/rightwing/tea partier authoritarians. For all of their “talking big” while openly carrying their assault weapons, I tend to such bullies as essentially cowards who will roll over if their wealthy entitled masters tell them to do so.
Some of the minorities are heavily armed, too, but for different reasons than whites who armed. This is broad generalizations and my opinion, but the minorities who tend to be heavily armed are in gangs. Can such groups be swayed into *joining together* to pit themselves against the wealthy elites? Or will the minority gangs be ever pitted against one another, thus reducing their capacity to really “rise up in arms” against their real oppressors? I doubt it. The gangs are too riven by their own willingness to kill others who look/act like them and come from similarly poverty-stricken circumstances than to overcome their “natural” aversions to one another and band together.
Do I think all of the arms owned by US citizens could end up with them attacking the wealthy elites? Not really. I would more likely see all of the arms owned by US serfs being used against other serfs who look different and/or who are from the “other gang.” Believe me, the Elites know how to play this game, too.
As another post indicates, it’s what goes on in corp America all the time: pit the wage slaves against one another, while the bosses pretty much get off scott-free and take the profits off the top.
The Elites know darn well how very armed US citizens are, but I don’t think it causes them one moment of lost sleep. And I seriously doubt that US citizens will ever be cognizant enough of who their true oppressors are to take up arms against them.
Look at the conservatives who blog here regularly. They’re all about pitting themeselves against us here at FDL and being total enablers of the wealthy elite. Think the Elites can’t get them to turn their arms against the dfh’s, rather than against the Elites? Guess again.
Again, look at the example of India: the pitting of Hindus v. Muslims is no mistake. And then there’s various other groups within India being deliberately pit against one another. I lived there for over a year and witnessed how the Elites pit the serfs against one another based mainly on religion, albeit sometimes along regional/tribal lines. It was no accident. And in India, there’s plenty of armed & dangerous serfs, to be sure. But they are mostly fighting one another.
Sure. I agree completely. For me, there is NO diff anymore – esp at the fed level – bet the Ds and the Rs. They are a plutocractic party with 2 branches that serve the same ends/elites. No argument from me.
Heh. I had the living history in front of me including an ancient one that survived the Civil War. I haven’t forgotten any of it and I went and learned more. The psychopaths need to be put in their proper place. Throw Out The Money Changers (hat tip Chris Hedges).
I think, in theory, taxes were supposed to be a bit of a counter-weight: paying for regulations, etc.
But, of course, with no taxes on the rich, and a gutting of what feeble regulations used to be there . . . not so much.
Can’t be by accident.
A Devo move:
Passage from the decadent Roman Empire (complex) to the Dark Ages (less complex).
I’m not so sure. If you grind people under your heel long enough, they will fight back.
Slightly OT, but I think relevant:
I just finished an excellent article in Mother Jones about the “payday loan” and “tax refund” outfits that screw people in poor communities.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/gary-rivlin-tax-prep-refund-anticipation-loan
To me the most striking thing — apart from the complete amorality and evil of these operations — was that JP Morgan, Goldman and the other MOTU have invested in these places because they’re such cash cows.
Great diary, masaccio.
So, the unanswered question remains, WHY are we in such a minority on FDL? I really believe, when it’s time to go into the voting booth in 2012, the GREAT majority of regular visitors of FDL will dig way down & somehow find a way to rationalize voting to reelect the WORST Democratic President (by far) we have ever had! And, that’s the simple reason Obama treats us like we just don’t matter.
Ha. Reminded me of something.
“If I went round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA
wow. just wow.
but it might explain a lot….
Not me, no way. I’ll step back and watch the apocalypse, I’ll never vote for that little shitheel Bernard Hussein Obama.
Most Americans may be armed, but that doesn’t mean they’re organized.
Which means they would be a rabble; militarily insignificant.
The Koch Brothers & Co., aware of this, doubtlessly have concluded that Blackwater and similar outfits suffice to ward off any such rabble.
The real threat to Koch & Co., therefore is actually the mercs, who are not indefinitely going to settle for crumbs while the billionaires and their lovely daughters enjoy pastry.
not just republicans. looks to me like it’s also the leadership of the D party too — at least the so-called rubin wing which is the group in control.
Vocal minority from the silent majority.
You could also interpret the anti-social destructive policies as evidence of the last gasp from a group of obsolescent (and scrotum dragging) rich people who won’t get out of the way of social change that’s as plain as the nose on their faces.
The last gasp phenomenon is well understood in perverse political systems and also easily observed in nature, such as when seedlings are starved of light and shoot up suddenly and high, or young pine trees in a forest shoot up fast and eventually topple from being top-heavy and rootless.
Well, bailey2739, I am of the opinion that MORE FDL regulars than not will NOT vote for the lesser evil. Time will tell.
Just so you know, the lesser evil does not get MY vote.
However, that said, I am also of the opinion that we have to think post-business-as-usual, since, if our society is to be made ruthless and vicious by the PTB and the MOTU, then it kinda falls to hoi paloi to think and act their way out of the end-times scenario our “betters” would force us all to swallow.
The “change” we need begins with the individual heart AND mind … no where else.
The “change” we need is, at heart and in mindful consciousness, leaderless … and responsible to self-governance.
But frankly, we’re many years from that “place” of understanding AND courage.
More pain, more destruction, is likely our collective “lot”.
Maybe even the literal destruction of the nation by the rest of the world who might not have the patience to wait for us to “get” it.
Aw, well …
DW
Possibly but I doubt it’ll make much a diff. The elites will send out their Blackwater mercs to quell any potential rebellions.
Agree. All those guns are irrelevent to the elites.
Ding! We have a winnah!
Nice to hear we’re in the minority but not alone. Wonder why in 60 responses all we see is Republican bashing? This is exactly the same stuff the Repubs did during Bush regime – BASH the Dems. who couldn’t DO anything! Gary Johnson is more Progressive than “Clarence Thonmas” Obama, yet FDL contributors over & over again direct visitors to focus on the baaaaad Republicans.
Personally I find it very difficult to believe that there is some vast conspiracy to destroy the country on the part of the right wing. Since what they are saying and what they are doing makes no sense what so ever and is doomed to fail.
What I do see is a lot of very out of touch lawyers and poly sci majors and business people who have absolutely no clue what so ever of what is going on outside of the tiny little worlds. A Let Them Eat Cake view based entirely on the bogus beliefs they have had shoved down their throats from the get go. A flat out rejection of the idea that these beliefs are totally invalid because to accept this truth would utterly destroy their precious, mean little egos.
Unfortunately the democrats suffer from this same affliction. Especially those in the upper economic strata.
The main reason that there are not crowds of people in the streets is because they fear retribution for doing so. But once this fear leaves – once the people figure out that the consequences of taking to the streets is no worse than not – then they will be there. Rest assured.
Precisely, dckinder, at some point, even the mercenaries will not be faithful … but merely envious … and … the more-heavily armed.
The elite’s game will not end well, for them or the rest of us.
The question, increasingly, is why do the rest of us put up with it?
Mayhap, we aren’t … going to do so … much longer.
DW
Well, bailey, you just not been here when the true revulsion is expressed.
You might check out emptywheel, at this site.
DW
There, corrected that for you. Free. No charge.
Wow. Thanks for the post and the links. This is what I have been looking for since I began to try to envision what post imperial America would look like.
As to your super rich? Their greed is an insatiable maw where there soul should be. They are no more concerned about the future than a crack head. Its all about how much more money can they get right now. They are about to be overwhelmed by circumstances beyond their control. As are we all.
Yeah. Guess we shouldn’t be so mean to the stupid fucking scumbag republicans. I’ll definitely look into that. I feel so bad about what I said about the ignorant slobbering fools, and all that.
Sorry, fuckwits.
Hence, the “evolution” of the federalization of local law enforcement; the increased use of domestic surveillance, now including drones that can attack as well as observe (witness Libya); “fusion” centers, ironically suggesting the limitless power of law enforcment; the showering of local law enforcement with the latest new toys that empower obedience, from crowd control sonic and heat cannons, to cameras and sonic detectors at street corners, to tasers, taser pluses, and plus pluses.
The elite know exactly the direction their policies lead. They don’t know the ETA, but they’re getting ready.
What you failed to recognize or mention are a couple of very salient facts.
Outside of a number of small-time operators which are basically garage businesses grown large, the only manufacturers of small arms in the US today are the Remington/Marlin/H&R/NEF conglomeration of companies/labels and, to a lesser degree, Mossberg, Colt and one or two others. The Winchesters that are made are done through a licensing arrangement with FN of Belgium, which also operates one or a couple factories in SC to make military small arms and machineguns. The Winchester rights are owned by Olin, as in the late John M. Olin, wingnut-funder extraordinare. (It’s said he set up his estate to keep his heirs hands off the gun business because they were too liberal.)
The Remington/Marlin/H&R/NEF conglomeration is owned, in turn, by an outfit known as Freedom Group. Freedom Group is, in turn, owned by Cerberus Capital Management, i.e., Dan Quayle’s hedge fund.
So, basically all the domestic production of firearms is controlled by one family of wingnuts or another.
But, the country is awash in guns, right? To a degree. But that’s not all. For a gun to be useful, you need bullets.
The ownership situation is a bit more exacerbated in the ammunition field. There are basically 3 or 4 big manufacturers of ammunition: Remington (Cerberus/Quayle, again), Winchester (lowest-cost licensees of the name all over the world – that box of Super-X game loads for your shotgun was probably made in Australia with Italian or French-made or -licensed hulls), Federal and CCI. In the last few years, the price of ammunition has gone through the roof, more as a function of wingnut/NRA propaganda that “Obama’s coming for your guns, so stock up” than increasing costs of raw materials (though there is some effect there). While the shortages which prevailed around the time of Obama’s election have abated, the prices have not gone down appreciably.
But, in short, if the armed populace decided to take on their corporate masters, their corporate masters would be able to turn off the spigot of bullets in pretty short order. And without ammunition, those guns in the closet are useful as door props and tomato stakes. Plastic-stocked ARs don’t work well as clubs, anyway.
Spot on, scribe.
In point of the facts AND likely “reality”, looking forwardy.
DW
The Ds didn’t do anything useful to us when they had control of Congress. They’re still asking for money, as if they expect us to forget what happened as soon as it disappears from the media limelight.
Bingo. The Democratic Party is not the left. It is the Oligarch’s bulwark against the left.
no, we have a president who’s a nominal Democrat, but an actual Reagan Republican. Once you know that, it’s a lot easier to understand.
Money laundering?
Thanks for pointing out that these people are psychopaths.
Don’t forget amoral.
According to Michael Hare in Wikipedia’s entry on psychopaths, “many psychopaths are superficially charming, and can excellently mimic normal human emotion; some psychopaths can blend in, undetected, in a variety of surroundings, including corporate environments.”
Yet he states that these are only one percent of the population, which brings us to: Dyssocial Sociopaths:
“These individuals would not normally be a sociopath or psychopath, but found themselves involved with, relating to, and loyal to other sociopathic or psychopathic individuals. This loyalty influenced their own development or belief systems and they became sociopathic due to assimilation of beliefs.”
Thus was born the radical-right Tea Party. And the clear and present danger to the USA of FOX Noise and corporate controlled press- Beck and Rush et all have been manufacturing psychopaths for over twenty years.
I like that.
Probably because most of us are effing tired of kabuki. It’s been years since we had anything else much.
Also, don’t forget there are a whole bunch of primaries early next year, wherein we don’t have to vote for any of the current leaders.
Thanks for bringing that up. I did not have the background info to back up the obvious. Owning all the ammo production kinda rules that game.
Poison darts and blowguns. Bring. It. On.
Marci is clearly one of the BEST on the internet, for sure; imo right up there with Glenn Greenwald. Another star on FDL is Jon Walker. His coverage of the HCR debacle (info. & opinion) was AMAZING, the best anywhere.
I HOPE Jane’s beating the bushes. For me for now I’m a contributor to Gary Johnson, former NM Repub. Gov. He’s called a Libertarian, truth is he’s more Progressive than Obama. 775 vetos, that’s the way to send a message to the Legislature!
People fight back when they are hopeful, when they have resources, when they can organize and can find common reasons to organize.
Resourceless persons can’t effectively fight tanks, directed energy weapons, surveillance apparatuses, drones, etc. Those ground into pulp are resourceless. Thus the time to fight these things is now, long before the grinding nears completion.
Massacio, collapse is not a bug. It is a feature. It is a means to seize power. Naomi Klein has done a pretty good job in describing this as “disaster capitalism.”
The superwealthy would count it as an achievement if 99.9% of humanity died, and the rest were reduced to serfdom. Controlling the food and water supplies, they have nothing to fear from police or even armies.
No, the real danger to them is not the masses they so clearly disdain: it is themselves. As they grow more and more corrupt, they are growing self-destructive. As Barbara Tuchman said about the pre-WW I era, “Neroism is in the air.”
The antidote is loving life. The superwealthy can handle violence. They cannot handle people acting peacefully and with nobility to show them what they look like.
If we keep calling them leaders, we’re doomed to disappointment and the kabuki you speak of.
They are people who want to become our servants in government. In the Congress they have ‘leaders’, that’s different and a feature of their parliamentary agreements.
About the upcoming primary kabuki, every four years someone figures out how to beat it. Obama got fewer votes than Clinton, but he won more delegates because he gamed the caucus loophole.
You should be reviewing the real American Revolutionary War (not the Teabagger’s ignorant fictional replacement).
Washington was in the same boat: the farmers had muskets, but the British were the ones who imported and controlled the gunpowder and ammo for muskets and cannons. As many have pointed out, without the ammo the farmers might as well have thrown rocks.
So what did General George Washington do at this critical junction of American history?
Washington instructed the patriots, many working underground, to steal as much as possible from the British armories and ships, which were secretly brought to Washington. And burn the rest of the supplies. Without Washington’s decisive and successful order, the American Revolution would have been lost.
However, must more likely –given the 24/7 365 days a year radical-right propaganda of Rush LImbaugh and FOX in all US military installations and commissary around the world– is a Seven Days In May senario.
“Seven Days in May” is actually true, based on the right-wing anti-Communist political activities of General Edwin A. Walker and Air Force Chief of Staff, Curtis LeMay, an advocate of preventive first-strike nuclear option. President John F. Kennedy was deeply concerned about this. A similar radical-right coop almost happened during the depression to take down FDR’s New Deal.
Book Salon up with Ha-Joon Chang’s 23 Things They Don’t Tell You about Capitalism hosted by Jon Jeter
Good point.
After the failures of the Movement from the sixties, the critical mass of fellow travelers more or less dropped out, many of them relocating in the Pacific Northwest and nearby. There was no network anymore. The underground press was run out of business by exorbitant postal rates. Protest music was essentially banned and blacklisted. And so on. Boomers who dropped out know what happened.
Now there are networks again and galore. Time will tell…
No, nonviolence is the only way. There comes a time when the government can no longer stand against a populace who have said “enough. Be gone.”
You need to look at the way the communist system in the former East Germany was brought down – nonviolently. Every one of their “Monday demonstrations” – doubling in size weekly and toward the end hundreds of thousands of people – was led by and peppered with banners saying, in German, “no violence” (Keine Gewalt). It should be no surprise that there are no serious studies or books on this in English, lest people learn too much from it.
Agree you won’t see the American media telling us anything but Saint Ronnie Ray-Gun’s stupid speech and spending on defense brought the Communist states down.
But I still content that the American Revolution is our best guide.
Economic boycotts against the corporations, such as the East India Company, were non-violent and a central pillar in the success of the Revolution. The Stamp Act Congress of 1765 led to the repeal of the hated Stamp and Sugar Acts. The patriots put much pressure on everyone, the poor and the rich, to join in these boycotts. Everyone suffered without tea and sugar together for the common good. And they were enormously successful.
I don’t think the movements of the 60s failed. They represented roughly ten years of intense struggle which ended Jim Crow, started the move toward equal rights for women and gays, forced the creation of the EPA, prevented the nuking of Vietnam, and ejected a president. People were justifiably tired, and wanted relief from the pace of those days.
What I don’t think anyone counted on was that the corporate right would fund the racist, nativist, theocratic right as a means of regaining power. This was self-destructive, and is reflected in the decline of American power and the deindustrialization of the US. The corporate right of the last half-century are a bunch of losers: trust fund babies like Dubya and chickenhawks like Cheney. They are the failures of the 1960s and 70s.
While I agree with your perspective, CharlesII, the real issue of the moment is the destruction of the rule of law, as this destruction “permits” and has enshrined the power of those “failures” of the sixties and their new-found appeal to a younger, even more glib, pusillanious fabulism, as exemplified in our current President.
Effectively, the Supreme Court destroyed the rule of law with its “none-precedentual precedent” known as Bush v. Gore.
Neither of the remaining twigs of government, Congress or the Courts will, now, dare gainsay the “unitary” exeecutive, nor wopuld they wish to, as members of the ruling classes, both twiggie groups enjoy unprecedented wealth and power.
It may be destructive of civil society and even of America, itself, however, those who have deliberately chosen to destroy justice and truth are quite safe from consequence until hoi paloi aweaken to their common plight and then find the courage to join together in non-violent fashion to INSIST by virtue of conscience and humanity upon their right, and indeed, their responsibility to do so.
DW
Thanks for writing this — I was thinking the same thing. We have the examples, they work for the Uberwealthy, and we could become like those types of societies.
Don’t blame the capitalists. None of these malefactors of great wealth is of sufficient breadth of vision to plan the destruction of society. They are bringing down society because of their short-sightedness, because the things they are doing to destroy society look like they will help out the next quarterly earnings report. Their imaginations and ambitions reach no further than that, the next earnings report, and what that will do for their stock options.
It’s Capital itself doing this. We’re not worried anymore about the future that Marx predicted, so we’ve let Capital loose once more to work its will on our society. We’re intent on dismantling social democracy, all the measures we took to prevent that outcome when we were rightly afraid of the inevitability of leaving unfettered Capital to run our society leading to a situation in which the workers would have nothing left to lose but their chains.
I agree with that analysis.
“Clarence Thomas” Obama’s disdain for the middle-class is unmistakable & probably the single reason why the uber-wealthy entrusted the job to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vhrIOT2YxM&feature=feedf
The governor of the state of Florida has redefined the term poor for the state of Florida. That new definition will impact who gets health care and what services are provided to them.
As others have noted, you’ve neglected to point out how Obama and the Democrats have continued the worst of the Reagan Republican policies despite the crystal clear evidence that it will eventually destroy the Middle class and fundamentally change America into a third world nation.
I will no longer support Obama and the DC Democrats of middle class destruction.
Under your headline “How to Destroy a Society” you really only had to add two words:
Elect Democrats.
After all, look what they’ve done over the last few years, first through controlling Congress and now having added the White House to the mix for two years. At least it seems some who’ve blindly kept voting for Democrats seem to be waking up, if the comments I’ve read here are any example. But will they really vote ABO (Anyone But Obama) and ABD (Anyone But Democrats) in 2012? Somehow, I doubt it. Somehow they’ll be lulled by the lies and propaganda and put us through another 4 years of destruction, if I’m right.
Enough with the whining about Limbaugh and Fox already! You know, I find it odd that you people are so aware of everythign Limbaugh says and everything that is on Fox. You know that you’re the reason why both are top rated, don’t you?
And so what, you’re calling openly (or almost openly) for revolution? Be careful what you ask for. It’s exactly what Obama wants and if you get it you will be sorry.
Fox and Limbaugh actually say only two or three things over and over. Republicans are so fucking stupid anything more complicated than that (four things) confuses the miserable asslicking dipshits.
I’m already sorry.
George Soros..Bill Gates..Larry Ellison..Eli Broad ( owner of AIG) ..Oprah Winfrey..democrats have plenty..
Besides you copied this from previous bloggers
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I agree with you re Democrats, yet somehow I sense that you are of the: IOKIYAR persuasion. Are you? If so, I challenge you to name one good thing about the Bush Admin. All Obama is doing is carrying forward the third Admin of Bush. If you’re so down on Democrats (as I am), then why are you not similarly down on Republicans (as I am)?
I stated earlier in this commentary that I see both the Republican & Democratic parties as but 2 arms of the Corp/Plutocratic party.
If you happen to believe that Republicans are working in the better interests of the “common voter,” then you are as blinded to reality as the reflexive Democratic voters, who you wish to condescend to.
Might want to consider that before you pull the lever in 2012. Just saying… neither party is up to any good, imo.
Just wanted to thank you, scribe, for that very interesting info. I had heard somewhere along the lone about Dan Quayle’s Cerebus Hedgefund (the money that Quayle makes from the Hedgefund is only taxed at 15%) & Olin. And how most of the gun/bullet manufacturing in the USA is owned by rightwing families.
It was quite obvious that the gun & ammo industries were pushing the gun-nuts to hurry hurry quick quick buy buy guns & ammo bc of fear fear booga booga Obama the boogeman’s comin’ fer yer gunz… which Obama, himself, stated time & again that he was doing nothing about 2d Amend rights.
But many rightwingers can be reliably ginned up to part with their money over non-issues if presented in the right kind of way. I visit a blog that highlights rightwing forwards, and I cannot begin to count the number of booga booga buy guns quick forwards there have been since Obama was elected. And the rubes responded by spending their hard earned cash on guns & ammo that they most likely didn’t need, and, in some cases, could not afford. But it’s all CHA-CHING for Dan Quayle paying his 15% in taxes… yippeeeeee.
Thank you very much for pointing out some salient facts about gun & ammo manufacture in the USA (and elsewhere). As I stated, I doubt seriously that the Elites give a crap about all the guns in the hands of serfs out there. One way or another, they are not afraid of any kind of armed insurrection, but you have pointed out yet another way in which such a rebellion could be curtailed.
Personally I don’t see US citizens as being capable of coming together enough to do anything like a rebellion. I would just like enough of them to wake up to what’s going on in govt. There’s loads of PEACEFUL ways to demonstrate and possibly make a difference. One suggestion has been made about what the East German citizens did to strike and end up having the former DDS be overthrown. That was very oppressive regime with a lot of heavy-handed stuff going on by the STASI, but the will of the people prevailed… peacefully for the most part.
Wake up, citizens: all you have to lose is the chains that bind you, and the blinders that blind you!
Yeah, Oprah Winfrey… booga booga…. like Oprah is running a leftwing think tank… NOT. Get a clue.
Language is important. And though I agree with your premise, more or less, and consider myself part of that Intellect, the only hope at reclaiming the America with a healthy functioning crosscheck balance of power, as designed by us constitution, is in having absolute prowess with all tools of consumer media.
Thus, to even self identify and classify what goes on here as merely intellectual — in its breakdown & capturing of the current situation — is poison. I of COURSE refuse to accept labels pushed out on us by FOX-OP Party especially O’reilly smashing his stale meme “far left” down viewers throats every night.
I consider myself more mainstream american than THEY are, and really wish this progressive left could learn cooperative framing so as to leverage strength by 4-walling this theme & meme everywhere… backing scientific advancement and entrepreneurism that got us to Moon, more american in out respect for privacy etc.
evet since pelosi & reid squandered the gift we gave them in nov ’06 using dean’s 50 state strategicmaterials, being complacent, accomodationists, fearful, failure to punish & hold accountable criminal award crimes, it was clear to me the battle lines are not in which are elect: most will be collosal sellouts, but rather the line in same is directi to people via tv and video clips.
and yes. that means “relateable”
not those intellectual elite perceptions.
great article.