Looks like Teapot Dome is the model government “operation” for Matalin et al

Mary Matalin can (and probably will) suck Satan’s greasy cock in hell.

Mary Matalin wouldn’t know the truth if it put a foot up her ass.

here’s current data and there’s century’s long data that says we cannot sustain this trajectory

True if the tax and penal code is not progressive, as in:

To those whom much is given, much is expected

and for wall street;

and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked

And they want it in two years.

She wants a Randian world run by the Koch Bros.

Well ofcourse he thinks it was a mistake!ha! He is on the side of wealth and privilege, like most folks on the right are, and a shocking number of folks on the left have started working the other side of the street as well.

Anything that benefits the average person is bad. That is all we have to understand about these people.

Here is a perfect example of their primitive and predatory logic.

Rep Debbie Riddle’s ridiculous proposal to ‘get tough’ on illegal immigration by targeting businesses hiring undocumented workers and slapping them with high fines hits every employer found to be employing undocmuented individuals…….EXCEPT, folks who have hired undocumented workers as ‘domestic servants’….can’t have the rich folks cutting their own yards or watching their own kids, or cleaning their own pools….how terrible!ha! http://www.politicususa.com/en/texa-illegal-immigrants-servants

It is hard to comprehend the rabid, foaming at the mouth level of greed fear ignorance and inflated sense of entitlement it must take to make an idea like that seem reasonable and yet the bill was proposed. Scary and disgusting stuff.

the Estate Death Tax (1916).

Get with the program, BT. To paraphrase Marshall McLuhan, the message discipline is the message.

Of course her children will never have to work in a sweatshop.

What a miserable, hateful little troll she must be.

Heh. My fave comment to type in the last week or so has been: Corps & their CEOs have the vast majority of the wealth but they won’t stop until they have it all.

And Carville is married to this idjit? Just shows how rigged the process is. Could anyone here be married to someone that ideologically different?

They’ve been making a lot of headway. They own all the mainstream TV and Radio Networks. With a 24/7 barrage of propaganda, they have successfully pitted the Middle Class against itself. Promoting anti-immigrant racism and bigotry they have destroyed Labor Unions and outsourced American jobs.

They have wrecked public education with defunding and with “teaching to the test”. They have infected the Democratic Party. Obama co-opted NCLB, Faith Based Initiatives, Private and Charter Schools. Obama forgot his promise to support workers – to “put on his comfortable shoes and walk the picket line”.

They’ve gutted the EPA and the FDA. They sell us experimental GMO foods and untested medicines. They poison our water supply with Mountaintop Mining, Chemical and Oil Spills and Fracking. They irradiate us with Nookyular Energy.

Mary Matalin, witness on behalf of the treasonous Scooter Libby, has a lot to be happy about.

Worse yet: they have spawned.

I have no reason to believe that Carville is all that ideologically different. It seems to me to just be a matter of degrees.

(Don’t think about that for too long. Nothing good can come of it.)

She’s really saying the middle class was a mistake.

Democrats or 3rd Party should run on that. Republicans believe the middle class was a mistake and won’t stop until they have repealed all of it.

Instead we have the gang of 6 rich white guys negotiating its demise.

The other thing that Matalin doesn’t realize is that in the world she longs for, she’ll be wearing a court jester suit.

Several months ago, but alas I didn’t save the link, I read that the only income group experiencing an increase in 2010 were those earning above $52 million (or some astronomical # like that). So she’ll just be one of the peons like all the rest.

Carville is so obnoxious, that he damages the liberal worldview whenever he appears to utter a word in it’s favor.

Like Alan Colmes, he works for the other team.

Maybe she meant that it’s the last 30 years (the trickle-down, laffer-curve part) of the 100-year experiment that is unsustainable? No, prolly not.

In the old world Mary yearns for, she would be waiting for her man to come home drunk and give her an attitude adjustment.

Randoloids

Not bad, but I prefer the term Randroids. Highlights the artificiality of a belief system based on a work of fiction.

Could easily be that. I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, namely that the PTB would still find her amusing after they got it all. But your scenario is more likely. Once they’ve accomplished their goal, they’ll throw her out like a piece of trash.

European-originated social democracy welfare state experiment

Couldn’t you argue that, had it not been for the New Deal and Great Society, capitalism would have fallen by now?

Also, what is up with the neocons’ hatred for Europe?

Because Europe is a living example that teh neocon’s are full of shit.

Matalin is possibly on drugs…cough…

Mary Matalin should be in prison.

Really.
She served on W’s WHIG, which crafted the lies they used to sell the Iraq War to the American people. She is a traitor and a war criminal.

Sadly, they are able to convince enough Americans that “Europe” sucks by repeating the word “Europe,” spewed with a touch of distain (the same way they do with “the Democrat Party”), over and over again. That’s all they have to do to convince millions of Americans to be against something or someone.

DING!

My only question is whether the rich really hate the Federal Reserve. Seems to me that it’s the key mechanism by which they exercise much of their control.

Obama’s abysmal performance as President made the November “shellacking” possible and emboldened this damn group of nuts and their craziness. Had President Obama lead the country in the way candidate Obama promised, we wouldn’t be standing on the edge of the cliff.

Feel free to pile on in the discussion section.

They own all the mainstream TV and Radio Networks. With a 24/7 barrage of propaganda, they have successfully pitted the Middle Class against itself. Promoting anti-immigrant racism, bigotry, xenophobia, rampant nationalism, and American exceptionalism – they make Homer Simpson feel special – even as he is unemployed – he feels that his biggest problems are:

Mexicans
The French (Europe)
and excessive Federal Income Tax.

I wonder if they can really sell him on the gutting of his own “entitlements”.

They are certain that he is sufficiently ignorant (and brainwashed) enough to go along with it.

They’ve already got him parroting that Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme.

I suppose it really is a matter of prospectives. I mean, where would Charles Dickens be if there were no abject poverty to rail against, after all? And what would inspire Jonathon Swift’s Modest Proposal? Those are the conditions that Mary Matalin wants to see come back to a city near you. The way Mary sees it, that was a time where everybody had exactly what they deserved, nothing more, nothing less.

It’s the banking system, of course, that’s a Ponzi scheme. The only real value is labor: both creative and physical.

And NPR is a BIG part of that radio network that they own. The most insidious part too, because so many self-identified liberals buy into that propaganda.

I wonder if they can really sell him on the gutting of his own “entitlements”.

Of course. He’s convinced that his children and grandchildren should not be burdened with massive debt. Yet he has not questioned how these same children will be educated, fed, provided with healthcare, or any of these pesky necessities.

Over and over, we need to keep framing these libertarian ideas as neo-feudalism. Libertarianism is inherently incompatible with democracy, not to mention the prosperity of a nation. We need to keep emphasizing the social capitalism and human capital issues of a well regulated economy that allows for upward mobility, a strong safety net for citizens, and security in later years.

Too many people are snowed by the very attractive idea that they will be lords of the manor in the new libertarian world order, because they ‘deserve’ it, when we all know that in a real feudal society, there are very few lords and a whole lotta serfs. And you ain’t no lord, no matter how many Renaissance festivals you’ve been to.

Which is supremely ironic because she is the child of middle-class parents who got her undergraduate degree at a state university.

Funny how Corporate Welfare always comes out as a ‘good thing’ to these jokers.

Book Salon up with James Carroll’s Jerusalem, Jerusalem: How the Ancient City Ignited Our Modern World hosted by Ewdward Teller (Phil Munger)

They all work for the same team.

Dont forget 1913- 17th amendment providing for direct election of Senators.

(It took the better part of twenty years to get it passed, so I say it counts.)

The wikipedia tells me this guy was the poster child for the need for reform:

Clark’s long-standing dream of becoming a United States Senator resulted in scandal in 1899 when it was revealed that he bribed members of the Montana State Legislature in return for their votes. At the time, U.S. Senators were chosen by their respective state legislators; the corruption of his election contributed to the passage of the 17th Amendment. The U.S. Senate refused to seat Clark because of the 1899 bribery scheme, but a later senate campaign was successful, and he served a single term from 1901 until 1907.

Clark died at the age of 86 in his mansion at 952 Fifth Avenue in New York City, one of the 50 richest Americans ever.

In a 1907 essay entitled “Senator Clark of Montana,” Mark Twain portrayed Clark as the very embodiment of Gilded Age excess and corruption. Wrote Twain:

“He is as rotten a human being as can be found anywhere under the flag; he is a shame to the American nation, and no one has helped to send him to the Senate who did not know that his proper place was the penitentiary, with a ball and chain on his legs. To my mind he is the most disgusting creature that the republic has produced since Tweed’s time.”

Sounds like Shooter’s kind of guy.

Im all with with mary “wingnutz” matalin on this one. in 1920 we didnt have the deep sense of individual importance that we do now. If we go back to child labor and with older, sicker people dying in work houses, just like back in the good ol days of mary’s republican ideal,within a month every single politician in washington and in every state capital in country (with the possible exceptions of alaska, mississippi and texas) will be in jail, and we can start over with a better, less capitalism freindly framework.

Wow, Matalin is a real trip. If she managed to roll things back to 1911, would she even stop there?

Yep. And I don’t see how any of that stuff is much different than the ideas of the old Confederacy.

1911 was also famous as the year that Teddy Roosevelt’s trust busters broke up Rockefeller’s Standard Oil.

Standard Oil was then the world’s largest enterprise, dwarfing its nearest rivals in any industry, including J.P. Morgan’s US Steel. Each of the Seven Sisters into which Standard Oil was broken up were among the then biggest companies. They still rank among the world’s largest and most profitable companies.

Standard Oil had become a behemoth. That was when oil was an industrial lubricant and fuel for household lamps. It was before diesel and fuel oil powered the world’s navies and commercial ships; before they powered aircraft, tanks and agricultural machines; before the world of the car; and before oil was discovered in West Texas and about the time it was discovered in the Middle East. Rockefeller’s billions, in today’s dollars he was wealthier than Bill Gates, were accumulated without income tax.

When US anti-trust authorities split up AT&T in 1983, Ma Bell was bigger than all of the following companies combined: General Motors, General Electric, Ford, IBM, Xerox, and Coca-Cola.

Ms. Matalin likes power. She wants her clients to accumulate as much of it as the world will hold, preferably untaxed and unregulated. She must have pocket editions of Ayn Rand at her bedside.

Yep!

The majority of those who pine for years gone by, a time when most folk were subject to capitalism’s screws without any relief at all, are individuals who cannot imagine that they would have short lives spent knee-deep in pig shit and blood, begging for work, hoping the crops would survive, the wild dogs wouldn’t attack much and their children would live long enough to earn their keep.

Just as states need their armies and prisons, capitalism needs its useful idiots, persons who are so conceited that they believe their ideas, writing and lives have intrinsic value.

They have been waiting for 80 years to get into a position to repeal the New Deal, and they have judged that they have finally maneuvered the situation to a point where they can strike. The key has been to manipulate the Democrat party into betraying its own greatest achievements, and even the achievements of the great Republican progressives by bringing up the double agent democrats Clinton and Obama. Money will buy you just about anything, especially a couple of smart poor boys with big ambitions.

Here’s a book that reminds you of the world these people want to restore:

http://www.amazon.com/Cruel-Years-American-Twentieth-Century/dp/0807054534

That’s saying a lot. Twain counted as his friend and savior of his personal financial anarchy Henry H. Rogers, president of Standard Oil. Twain died in 1910.

Needless to say, Ms. Matalin would prefer the permanent repeal of the estate tax. Nothing separates the people from their representative government faster than a permanent financial aristocracy.

You guys seem surprised by the idea that a conservative would view many if not most of the “social democracy/welfare state” reforms of the last century to be a mistake. That’s pretty basic for just about all conservatives. It’s the independents who are only convinced about a portion of them. And you guys are the only ones left who really believe in all of them heart and soul.

And “you guys” should not be surprised that we think the world of today is better than 100 years ago.

There are 100 Multi-Billionaires in the US, 449 billionaires; 3,134,237 millionaires – all paying on average 17% of income -

We taxed capital gains the same as wages from 1913 to 1921. Under IKE, the top rate (on wages and investment income but not on capital gains) was 90%.

In 1969 we got the AMT and an alternative tax on long-term capital gains for individual taxpayers to the extent they have capital gains of more than $50,000. Long-term capital gains up to $50,000 received by individuals continue to qualify for the 25-percent alternative capital gains tax rate. However, the maximum tax rate on that part of long-term capital gains above $50,000 is increased to 29.5 percent in 1970, 32.5 percent in 1971, and 35 percent (one-half the 70 percent top tax rate applicable to ordinary income) in 1972 and later years. The alternative tax rate on corporate long-term capital gains income is increased to 28 percent in 1970 and 30 percent in 1971 and later years.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 repealed the exclusion of long-term gains, raising the maximum rate to 28 percent (33 percent for taxpayers subject to phaseouts).

So why can’t we eliminate the AMT for those making less than $1 million a year, and add a tax on capital gains in the regular FIT that is at the same rate as the rate for wages?

Yeah – I forgot – that would be “progressive” – it would be going back to the approach of 1913.

Perhaps going back to the 1913-1921 world where wages and investment income and capital gains were all taxed at the same rate might not be a bad idea! :-)

That woman is as ugly inside as she is outside–souless is the best I can say of her.

There is no small amount of empirical data to say this woman is an idiot.

People like Mary Matalin always imagine “a Randian world run by the Koch Bros” with themselves among the ruling elite. Mary Matalin doesn’t imagine how small that world would be and how likely she’d be just another day laborer following orders for a bare wage.

Mary’s too busy bending over and taking it in the rear from her overlords to even think about the truth.

Okay, we all get that Matalin is yet another Repulsivan shill. She is wrong everytime she decides to enlighten us. But, what is the relevance of the comment about fellatio being performed on a mythical creature? Sounds like something a graduate of the Bill Maher School of Misogynistic Journalism might throw in.

What she doesn’t say is that many of these changes started during Theodore Roosevelt’s time in office (a Republican). Many of the next reforms that he considered, were he to remain President for a full second term could not be done; therefore, his cousin FDR picked many of them up during his Presidency.

Remember it was TR that invited the first black leader of his time, Booker T. Washington, to the Whitehouse for dinner. Since Wilson was a southerner, and a bigot, many new reforms would not happen during his time. And, the other Republicans following TR almost dismantled most of what he put in place.

Therefore, as stated, it came upon FDR and his wife, Elenor Roosevelt, to find the right sense of humanity. Not only for America but for the rest of the world to follow, when she wrote the first Bill Of Rights for the UN to adopt.

It all make sense once you accept that they (the Republican ruling elite) don’t have any sense of community (unless it’s gated) and hate everyone who isn’t rich.

I think it was Heinlein who thought that democracy would fail, because we were directly electing senators (which makes those popularity contests, just like the House elections).

That’s the kind of character she has.

Teddy Partridge is upstairs!
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Repeal the New Deal, heck, Republicans fondest desires would be to repeal The Enlightenment and even the Magna Carta.

What you are describing as “conservatives” are really reactionaries. Conservatives want to preserve what’s existing, with only minor, carefully thought-out changes. As in environmental conservationists. Reactionaries want to tear down progress that has been in existence for a long time, say, a century. So, Mary is a reactionary, as is virtually every modern-era Republican politician and of course the teabaggers.

I know, yes, I know that the standard language is to call someone like Rand Paul a “conservative.” But we must stop accepting this mislabeling.

Maybe, possibly, it might help people understand what’s going on if the Rethugs were routinely described in the MSM as reactionaries. I think that such realizations are essential to any effective defense of what progress hasn’t yet been compromised. The Wisconsin uprising is a clear example: People suddenly realized that Walker was not a “conservative,” but rather someone who was taking a wrecking-ball to the social contract.

That’s true — but I’m not the one expressing surprise that progressives favor social democracy and the welfare state. This post expresses surprise that conservatives oppose those things. I thought that’s exactly what you objected to about conservatives all along — so why the surprise?

I wonder if James Carville is allowed to disagree with his wife on any of this stuff.

It’s true that you can’t get an accurate view of what’s usually called “conservatives” if you think that their standard approach to any situation is to insist on the status quo. The kind of conservatives that favor a very limited role for government (particularly in the economy) naturally oppose wealth-redistribution schemes of the social-democracy and welfare-state variety, so to the extent that the latter have been creeping into the system for 100 years, conservatives would like to roll them back. That’s not supporting the status quo. By the same token, “progressives” often want to preserve the status quo against change they consider injurious, and in that sense are the “conservative” ones. The labels aren’t very helpful.

Regretably, I have to agree that Obama’s less than stellar performance during his first two years in office have turned off millions of votes that may have otherwise gone to the Dems last November.

It should be pointed out to Mary Matalin that going back to the “good ole’ days” of 100 years ago means she’s going to lose out on a lot of her precious rights as well. Oh, she might not grieve the right to an abortion or birth control, but how about the right to vote? Having the right to divorce your husband if he was cruel to you is only about 125 years old or so (couldn’t find the exact date). Women, both married and unmarried, weren’t given significant control to own their own property until New York gave them that right in 1900.

The equal position of women in society hasn’t been established all that long, and she would do well to remember that….