First there was Thursday’s Politico hit piece. Yesterday, we had Milbank’s Without Pelosi, Obama is adrift hit piece (front page link title is “Pelosi’s Faded Relevance”), while McClatchy had a piece titled Pelosi’s influence fades in House and her party.
The fact is that Pelosi is still very influential — as seen here, here, here and here. So why the sudden effort, in the midst of a long and intense budget fight, to poor-mouth her? And who’s behind it?
My guess is that this may well be coming from the Obama White House. Why? Because she’s one of the few things that’s standing between him and his total destruction of any reason to vote Democratic over Republican. She has to be neutralized so he can successfully embed his plan to destroy Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security as a Democratic Party platform plank. He’s already pushing a Republican budget plan as the furthestmost “left” of all possible plans (and there’s already a plan endorsed by Conservadem Claire McCaskill and her Republican buddy Bob Corker that’s even worse) — what happens should Pelosi work to stop it in its tracks and replace it with a much better plan, as she tried to do with the Ryan plan two weeks ago?
Pelosi has a bit of leverage to shove the terms of discussion back away from the far right, as there’s now dissension in the GOP ranks as to whether they should back away from a no-increase-in-tax-revenue pledge, as well as growing rumbling from the Wall Street titans who would be first and hardest hit by a failure to raise the debt limit. Yet Obama is busily undercutting any stand-fast messaging Pelosi and other real Democrats might attempt:
… On the one hand, Obama says that a failure to increase the debt limit would plunge the country into chaos. This comes as even GOP hopefuls like Haley Barbour are telling their fellow Congressmen that they shouldn’t take a clean vote off the table. But in the next breath, Obama says that some spending cuts would have to be carried along with the vote.
Obama could pretty simply offer nothing and allow Wall Street to force Boehner into submission. This would be a successful strategy, as evidenced by the fact that Boehner, Eric Cantor, and everyone in the GOP insists that the debt limit will be raised. So you can only conclude that spending cuts or structural reforms will be attached to the vote because that’s what the President wants.
Speaking of planks: At some point, the Democrats in the House are going to look at the coming election and decide whether to follow Obama off the plank or stand up to him. Obama may be able to beat whatever insanely amoral candidate the GOP sends out against him, but the Obama record will be hard for a lot of House Dems to live with.
They know that in addition to defending their own record, they’re going to have to defend his. That is, unless they stand up against it. Obama looks to be depressing the base — he’s down to only 77% approval among Democrats right now, which is why the once-formidable OFA organization is a pathetic anti-progressive shell of its former self — and many of the House folks know that they are going to need the base if they want to win. (Ironically, the one time OFA was on the verge of actually intervening effectively and progressively in a recent political issue, the ongoing fight against Scott Walker and Company in Wisconsin, Obama’s people angrily reined it in. But I digress.) At the same time, the Republican field is set to be so rabidly unelectable (the GOP’s kingmaker in Iowa is going to ensure that no one can win the Iowa GOP caucus this coming winter without being insanely bigoted or willing to fake it fluently, an act that will doom the winner in the general should he or she get the nomination) that Obama has no excuse not to run as an actual Democrat instead of taking former Clinton strategist Mark Penn’s advice and being even more of a corporate sellout.
Pelosi probably knows all of this already and she’s not going to be fooled or awed by a big White House PR blitz, which is why Obama seems to fear her so intensely.
There are already hints that Pelosi is itching to break with Obama over his politics and policies. When she spoke at the National Conference for Media Reform a little over a week ago, a “stop the wars” chant erupted when she was about to leave the podium — and she was heard to join in. The open sparring with the Obama White House’s Gene Sperling over Obama’s unhelpful and Republican-favoring meme reinforcement, as well as his ignoring the Democratic side of the aisle, was spun by the anti-Pelosi Politico crowd as resulting from “the frustrations of three-plus months in the minority”, but it sounds more like the frustrations of dealing with an administration that seems bound and determined to jettison every last part of the Democratic platform having the least little bit of the New Deal still attached to it — and as a result is much more comfortable talking the language of billionaire tax-haters and Grandma-haters like Pete Peterson the deficit peacock than when discussing things like the common good and government’s role in preserving it.
The next few weeks will be very interesting.



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He’s broken so many of the promises he made to us in order to get our votes, that I’d hope that every Dem running for reelection would back away from him and his positions as if they were contagious.
(I also say, primary him.)
as for Nancy – go, Nancy, go!
As I said during the supposed “budget debates” between Boner, Reid and Obama, they were probably sitting around having cocktails and congratulating each other that they didn’t have to have “that bitch” in there with them and their big dicks anymore.
Losing Pelosi was THE WORST PART of losing the house IMO.
Good job, PW!
Pelosi could end the back stabbing by coming out and announcing she is challenging Obama in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. She would immediately have 100,000′s of thousands of motivated volunteers.
He has had no excuse not to behave as an actual Democrat from the very beginning. Had he done so, we would still control the House.
It would be nice if Pelosi and the other [few] remaining “real” Democrats could see how much support — and strong support — they would get if they joined the “stop the wars” chant and opposed Obama.
It might be enough to convince that segment that’s NOT voting for Obama, no matter how scary they paint the Republicans, to actually come out on election day & vote for THEM. There’s no rule that you HAVE to vote for the top of the ticket in order to vote for the candidates lower down.
“Real Democrats Who Oppose Obama” could be a powerful rallying cry.
If anybody can save Grandma’s Social Security, it’s probably Grandma. After all, she saved it from the last GOP President, she can probably save it from this one.
Pelosi for President. Obama for chairman of New Demoncrap Coalition.
Great post, PW. I share your view of the source of all this anti-Pelosi Versailles media coverage.
and, this seems to be a repeat of 2008. During ObamaCon-Man fund raising events, he is again preaching “Left” leaning positions, to once again play people (for fools). I hope people are catching on.
I think the House is going to become more of a thorn in Obama’s side as every day passes. Not just Pelosi, but the entire group of the House Democrats. Partly because most of them can take a good look around and see who isn’t there anymore. Faux Dems didn’t do well in the last election. And the excuse that it was following Pelosi that did them in doesn’t really fly, what does really track is following Obama. I’ll track that back if this campaign works, but frankly even then I’m not sure the White House is going to like Congress, because what they want them to do is rapidly becoming a suicide pact for most of the House Democrats.
AND Because a lot of people in the Senate are waking up as well. Would that Reid would realize that Obama’s policies were probably his biggest weight in that squeaker in Nevada, and that what saved him was THE BASE. They are still able to rein in the Senate, but I’m seeing that control break, because I’m pretty sure all but the biggest corporate tools are looking around and figuring out that BASE thing.
“Real Change, Not Rhetoric-Pelosi 2012″
I know many people who vote the democratic ticket who don’t really pay attention to politics. They would vote for whoever is the democrat running for office. And I would add that they would vote for Obama and would not believe he is actually a republican in democrat clothing. Like I said, they don’t pay attention to politics.
obama is a corporate small d dem. his dish of pelosi is evidence he is a fool also as the speaker is no Lightweight.
I’m reminded of two quotes, “no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public” and “a sucker is born every minute.”
Pelosi’s “Impeachment is off the table” and Obama’s refusal to execute the laws we have on the books to prosecute war criminals are two of the biggest reasons Democrats lost the House. Both of the reasons were solely the decision of Democratic “leadership.”
The Dems didn’t lose the House, they intentionally gave it away.
Bingo!!!
I agree. I’d energetically and enthusiastically support her as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee.
It doesn’t take a plot by Obama or anyone else to explain the eclipsing of Pelosi’s influence. The Democrats lost the House in the 2010 elections, and she’s no longer Speaker. It’s not any more complicated than that.
But some of the Bambots have been pulled in, again, by The Speech. You know, there comes a time you have (to grow up) to understand a man is as he does. This has to be very hard on Nancy. I judge her to be a party pol to the bone and forsaking the party’s president is a huge break. It helps if you step back far enough to take in the perspective of his essential Republicanism.
Excellent article, PW.
Pelosi worked to get more decent legislation through the House than any leader in recent history. It was stopped in the Senate (blame Reid). It was never supported by the White House (blame Obama).
But some of the Bambots…
I prefer “Obamacrats”. :)
She paid the most politically in 2010, and deserved to lose the least.
I’m looking at you, Reid (loser still in office.)
I’m looking at you, Obama (total sellout who doesn’t deserve to win Bush’s fourth term.)
I don’t know how you can agree with what I wrote and think that if Pelosi primaried Obama she’d have 100,000s of energetic volunteers. I wouldn’t help to get her elected to a school board let alone to the presidency and after this whole bait-and-switch fiasco by Barry I’ll never volunteer or help another major party candidate, especially one with a D after their name.
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Incredibly fascinating diary PW thanks SO much for digging into this.
Do we dare to hope for better on the back of Pelosi, to stop the wars and create jobs?
If nothing else it’s kabuki worthy of Romanesque drama!
His record may be hard for the House Dems to live with, but when push comes to shove, they will buckle like the invertebrates they have repeatedly proven themselves to be. What little pushback might emerge needs to be shrill, unyielding and highly public for it to have any effect, whatsoever. And in that case, the MSM will dismiss the perps as “Extreme, leftist traitors.” (Evidently, “sane” has become the new “extreme, leftist traitor.”)
Morning PW & Pups of Fire. Time to get some tomatoes and peppers in the ground…
Your guess? You are writing this on a guess? Then you support your guess with this:
That is about as nonsensical as the recent HARP discussions here.
Yeah, even I would fall for that hopey.
I say it’s worth talking about.
Draft Pelosi, FDL?
Oh Nancy, please primary this asshole!
I love Nancy Pelosi!
For another take on the importance of elections, here’s a blog from a fellow North Dakotan that transcends discussing just our own rightwing gazillionaire Congressman. [I'm looking at you, Barry!]
Be Careful What You Vote For.
Concur. Rude articulates the typical Democratic negotiating strategy as such:
“…Imagine that you have grown a beautiful apple tree, but your neighbor wants it down so he can see the factory on the hill better. You say that you can trim the branches. He offers to cut down the tree, burn down your home, and kick you in the nuts. If you’re a Democrat, you figure if you can convince your neighbor not to kick you in the nuts, it’s a victory. If you’re a Republican, you say, “No, I’m still gonna kick you in the nuts.” If you’re Barack Obama, you offer your ass instead.”
And then declare it as a victory, of course.
Yes, and the rigorous demonization and “R” outcry against her in the last congress simply reflected her effectiveness. Morning Pups
Thanks PW
I have to wonder if Michelle Obama knows what her husband is up to, in regards to Nancy Pelosi. I suspect she does not.
Yar, but then, someone could have “had an accident in a small plane” if you take my meaning.
Look what happened to Kkkkarl’s chief aide, Colson ( or whatever his name was).
I think we’re making a mistake if we think that the corruption in our government isn’t all the way from the bottom to the top. or that elections matter much at all now that Citizens United is the law of the land.
And we WOULDN’T have lost the House if the 24/7 propaganda machine weren’t turned on high
Even if she does, I doubt she cares. Water seeks its own level…
But you’re an Obamabot so it wouldn’t make sense to you.
Mornin’, PW, pups
Pelosi is one major reason why the congress is at 70% disapproval (RCP ave) and why the Democratic Party has a sucking chest wound. Her support of war funding for all these years is a major factor.
I’m in a real quandary about the top of the ticket in 2012. I sure don’t want to vote for Obama again, but who else is there? I’m hopeful about Jon Huntsman, since he actually sounds more moderate than Obama, but voting for a Republican pretty much goes against my grain. ai yai yaiiiiii!
Bet she does.
I’ve noticed the first ladies are getting more and more obscure and invisible as the Teaiban/Christain movement takes over social policy.
Two steps behind with head down
Oh, I think she might.
x2
Good Morning
and thanks so much PW, – was completely unaware (but unsurprised) by this palace intrigue
although no longer a fan, I really like the idea of a backstop to Obama’s corporate march
And although I know she’d never do it, quite satisfying to think of OFA agita at the mere mention of Pelosi/Grayson 2012
x2
I guess Hope springs eternal.
Well, if Kassandra and liberalarts are both right, then what will happen to the Obama’s marriage after he leaves the White House. Will they become more like the Clintons, leading more or less separate lives?
I sam not an Obamabot.
I disagree with Obama on many things, including the size of the initial stimulus, Geithner, Afghanistan, HAMP and more. But, I do not think he is out to get Pelosi so that:
That is nonsense.
come on pups they need help
http://my.firedoglake.com/sadlyyes/2011/04/15/if-you-want-to-help-the-pets-of-japan/#comment-222864
I guess Hope springs
eternalinfernal.Fixed it for ya…
No expert, but everything I know about Huntsman is that he’s the Koch brothers with lipstick. His Dad, the billionaire, built a petro-chemical oligopoly. AFAIK, they off shore production of a lot of bad stuff to avoid U.S. environmental law. AFAIK, BPA is one of his products. Google on the terrific reporting at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about BPA (Meg Kissinger, Susanne Rust)
If Pelosi really wants to stand up for the Democratic platform, she should run for President in 2012.
knife-in-the-back metaphor!
mods??!!!
/s
Nice idea…she has the skills. Thanks for this post….Leader Pelosi has worked veryyyyy hard.
Excellent concatenation of articles PW. I wonder if MSM can ever connect the dots, or would want to. While Nancy’s on my permanent shit list for refusing to investigate war crimes by and under Bush ii, she was/is rowing against the tide of a one party Corpocracy Obama and the GOP are pushing(Dems being in tacit agreement of course). Steny Hoyer is the perfect shill in waiting.
As long as we’re discussing Obama and the 2012 prospects, I think I can put this in here. Yesterday I was rummaging thru the net to find any astrological work on Obama’s second term chances. I came across this piece: http://www.astrology-reading.com.au/President_Barack_Obama.html. Sound like anyone we know? Somebody over on DKos did a morphological analysis maybe a year ago and it was very interesting. A form of analysis I had never heard of.
this is the loudest claxon yet on their intent to end SS ‘as we know it’
Do read the astrology link I provided. I think the Obamas are perfectly matched, tho not on companionable terms. Apparently they didn’t speak for, what?, three years during the marriage. He wrote that.
Obama’s a neoliberal, through and through. Privatizing Medicare, Medicaid and SS are priorities of neoliberalism. If you don’t believe Obama agrees with that philosophy and will instead protect all three you’re either not paying attention or in total denial.
I live in Wisconsin.
On April 5 I voted for a guy (Abele) who was completely un-qualifed for County Executive, because he was less bad than the Scott Walker clone (Stone). There were only two names on the ballot.
In Wisconsin the Presidential vote will probably be very close. I agree with every word PW wrote, but I fully expect that Barry, the torturer-in-chief, will be the less nauseating choice.
Although I disagreed vehemently, I was very impressed with the TACTICS of Bart Stupak (D-MI) during health care. He showed what a small number of committed House reps could accomplish. Our immediate problem is the completely phony HOUSE libs/progs in COMPLETELY safe districts like Madison, Wisconsin. They take turns deserting us (on the huge/core issues such as funding Afghanistan and Iraq) and we keep rewarding them by re-electing them. If we can’t/won’t even hold those reps accountable, why would Obama or any other national candidate take libs/progs seriously?
Primarying those candidates FROM THE LEFT is a low cost way for libs and progs to have a significant impact.
McCain and Palin didn’t lose by that much in the popular vote. Imagine the condition of the Supreme Court if Sen. McSain would have won and the aftermath from him bombing Iran.
This is astonishing.
Pelosi had her shot at Democratic Party leadership and was an abject failure. Time to move on.
The Dems didn’t lose the House, they intentionally gave it away
OMG. People! Read through these comments, start to finish, as though you hadn’t been here for, oh, let’s say a year or so. Long ago and far away, this was a smart, savvy place to noodle solutions. Que pasa?!
Just so you know? I, too, am deeply disappointed in Obama. But there’s not much percentage in perpetually vilifying him without viable solutions, is there? Yeah, yeah, I know. Call me a snarky name.
Pelosi is okay (didn’t people at this site used to hate her, too?), but sure as creator made little green apples, she could not possibly win a presidential election. That’s a weirdly unworkable bandwagon, IMO.
Back to occasional lurking.
I am not understanding your objection to the post
Do you feel that Obama supports Nancy? That the public option pretend support was “the responsible thing to do”? That killing every promise Obama made in the 08 election was because he is not superman – not because he lied about his intent?
I am the only one at FDL to discuss HARP – and I said that Chase was actually doing HARP modifications without fuss. Perhaps you meant the HAMP program, where the banks are stealing from their customers and refusing to do principal modifications even when it is in the banks investors best interest – because the bank middle manager gets his bonus on the fees he generates and not on his making the banks bottom line the best it could be (getting a likely to be paid principal reduction to an amount above the foreclosure value is a win-win, except none of the bonuses include that win-win result as a positive).
The only requirement a candidate has to get my vote is a pledge to prosecute its predecessors for war crimes and for failing to execute the laws we have for such prosecutions. One of the charges should be the treatment Bradley Manning has endured at the hands of the current war criminal-in-chief.
There’s a psychological term, called “projection” which I think we have here.
If people are concerned about ‘back stabbing’ in the democratic party, where they don’t want democrats being taken down a notch, they don’t have to look for indirect clues with Pelosi, they can look at our current president. Let’s see, apparently people comfortably say Obama is a sleaze ball, liar, sellout, etc… Tell me, what’s bigger back stabbing then that? In comparison, the ‘evidence’ that Pelosi is getting a ‘hit job’ on her includes a Washington Post article that says Pelosi remains beloved by democrats, but is now less powerful because she is in the minority party. And that’s a hit job? Personally, I like Pelosi and think she’s done great; saying being head of the minority is a step down from head of the majority is a step down in power is stating the obvious, and not an insult.
I am feeling like the FDL wing is almost approaching a liberal version of the Tea Party, with some Obama-derangement syndrome setting in. Obama is apparently such an effective republican that the republicans despise him for turning the US into a communist country, and such an effective democrat, that people here say voting for him is the same as voting for Bachman. It saddens me.
My opinion: there is no point in paying any attention whatsoever in what the Beltway media say, unless it’s to get material to mock them with.
The Beltway media is a propaganda arm of the Republican Party. This is the bunch that declared Paul Ryan’s budget to be courageous. The best thing that can be done for them is to ignore them completely.
I suggest we need a counternarrative. I suggest that what we should be paying attention to is how two dozen Democrats have joined a fast to protest the cuts that are being implemented in this budget deal, cuts that will be hard on the poor without diminishing the deficit.
Finally! People are waking up and realizing that Obama is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for the FIRE Sector. A conservative Republican president could not have done as much damage to progressive causes. Maybe if enough people realize what this “fake progressive” president rally is, we will have a challenger for the Democratic nomination, or a viable third party candidate.
I have news for Obama – I will NOT vote for him in 2012, even if it means we get a conservative Republican as President. I don’t think I’ll be alone.
Again, if you compare what she does vs what she says, calling her a viable candidate for prez will get you what we got when we for got to look at what Obama does vs says, even in the primary and general.
“Impeachment is off the table”, is all I have to know about her. She’s a high stakes player with the high rollers, and she isn’t much interested in decreasing her odds in that game.
And if you don’t agree with that, “you’re either not paying attention or in total denial”.
I do not buy into the premise that Obama is being forced into acting the way he has, I’ve made that plain here before. Obama isn’t acting like a Republican because he’s been threatened nor has his family been threatened. On the contrary, the man and his family will live along life with no financial problems at all while the rest of us are trying to figure out how we’re gonna live after he’s destroyed social Security.
He wasn’t forced into acting like a prick, he IS a prick.
Here I agree with you – Obama’s style is not to explicitly show his GOP leanings – so the Dem platform in 2012 will not propose “modification” as deep as the Ryan “modification” of Medicare – but then you will not see push back on the GOP theme that Medicare is going broke in 2017 (of course it is not going broke – but funding – while providing much more than Ryans 50% of cost voucher – will either be changed or single payer national health will be adopted or Medicare be only able to cover 80% of what it covers now).
I’m with you.
Obama’s people forget that Pelosi was around a long time before he was, and she will be around after he’s gone. The Prenitzy is a temporary gig.
Well said.
Exactly.
If – and it’s a big if – Social Security and Medicare are going broke, it’s because there are so many fewer workers in the workforce who are making more than part-time wages, there are a large number of unemployed workers, and, finally, the Trojan Horse bill that was passed reducing the payroll tax which will become permanent because the GOP will have a collective heart attack screaming “Tax Increase!!” when the Democrats try to let that little gem expire.
Hi, There, We miss you here….I hope all is well, you Lurker.;)
Apparently the feeling is mutual in the Daily Beast LINK
I suspect she knows what OFA was up to in regards to H Clinton in the primaries, why wouldn’t she know about Pelosi. I often wonder what she thinks about watching the erosion of “choice” under his watch. Maybe we should draft Michelle to primary him.
The only reason the oligarchs chose Barry was because a black Democrat could destroy Social Security without skipping a beat. Everything else this little bastard has done has been icing on the cake for TPTB.
Another problems for libs/progs is the media.
DailyKos and MoveOn caved to Obama and the health care oligopoly. Jane didn’t and for that she got even more completely shut out of the veal pen.
Those who can should donate more to FDL. We need a trusted news source and this is it.
You wanna be more careful about throwing around terms like “black.”
You nailed how I feel. She undermined progressives on the wars, health care and just recently helped Boehner pass a bill that undercut social programs. Color me less than impressed if pelosi is our “great hope.”
I don’t think anything else but a complete collapse and a new beginning in human society will make the necessary changes. My hope is enough history, authentic, not revisionist also remains so that history will finally make a difference.
Star Trek, in the 60′s had an episode which spoke to this, bu all that remained was tattered pieces of a document which the occupants of that world could hardly decipher. It gave me a really, really weird feeling at the time, perhaps one best described as prescience. I never actually expected to see the beginning of such an outcome in my life time but here it is.
I’ll fight on anyway. The Butterfly Effect, I suppose…
You make it sound as if Jane wanted to be in the veal pen. Methinks not. One has to sell not only one’s soul but the soul of the organization to be in the veal pen. See NARAL et al. Local chapters of veal pen orgs have accomplished more on their own than they have with the help of the national leadership.
They gave it away and they will be accomplices in condemning millions of poor, disabled, and elderly people, in addition to poor children to Dickensian existences when they’re finished destroying the safety net. The viable solution I’m committed to cannot be mentioned here at FDL without the mods going apoplectic.
No actually I don’t. Black is the term Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Joanne Chesimard, and others used to describe their Panthers and I don’t see why you would have a problem with it.
In the article I referenced at #75 they are saying Pelosi is fed up and several Dems, if not she, are openly and covertly speaking of a primary challenge. Personally I forgive Pelosi for her part in health care reform. At that point in time she had little choice. Sad to say however it would never have passed without her powerful influence.
“I will believe that violence will overcome violence when you can convince me that darkness will overcome darkness.” M K Gandhi
Thanks SD.
What I should have made more clear is that afaik, other nominally liberal/prog blogs get important WH leaks so they can scoop FDL and attract more traffic and more advertising. My hunch is that FDL is also fed a steady diet of false scoops to smoke out who their sources are.
The wingnut wet dream is for Dems to primary Barry with someone who is 100% European-American, the same ethnicity as most of the U.S. oligarchs you referenced.
If you want to alienate African-Americans and Democrats/independents, who aren’t 100% European-American, please by all means, keep using the word, “black.”
As far as the white supremacists are concerned, Jessica Alba and Derek Jeter are “black.”
When you talk about “white” people, do you include the Irish? What about the Italians? What about the Poles?
TIA
Heh Scoops? We doan need no steenkeng scoops. Analysis of what’s being said and of events is much more important than being first in reporting the latest Village bullshit, imo. While I may not agree with all of the analysis here at least it’s honest.
“She paid the most and deserved to lose the least” — Maybe so, but the point is that, once Pelosi lost the Speaker seat, her fall from influence isn’t hard to explain. No need to resort to backstabbling from the media or White House plots to see why she can’t achieve much any more.
It’s always possible to attribute her loss of the Speaker position to some kind of machinations on the part of the Democrats or the White House back in 2010. Seems like the loss of the House was a heavy price for them to pay, though, if what they really wanted was to silence her.
“White” people are from either Aryan or Anglo Saxon lines. Therefore, I am not “white”.
The WH never expected the Dems to lose the House. They thought more Blue Dogs would be elected, shifting the House further to the right. Didn’t happen but that didn’t alter anything the WH wanted to do. Nov 2010 actually worked out better for the WH in that respect. As we’ve seen the House Dems are powerless except to do things like they did the other day.
Um.
Hm.
There isn’t any difference between Pelosi and Obama, both do as they’re told, unless they’re told by you. She’s just another apparatchik, let’s all get our underpants in order, ok? Personally, I couldn’t care less what people say about her, she SUCKS ASS anyway. Don’t let the door hit cha in the ass on the way out, Nance.
: )
When did “Black” become a dirty word? “Black Power” and “Black is Beautiful” were empowering in the social movement through the conscious use of language in the linguistic sense: The reclamation of power in numbers and identity that, as you put it, 100% European-American, repressed with things like pushing the “purity” of “White”. “Gay-Pride” was and is a conscious use of language in social movement as well.
So are you saying the WH was intentionally undermining Pelosi in the 2010 elections, but thought that what it would achieve was a House still controlled by Democrats, but more conservative ones, who would then elect a new Speaker? I guess I could see that. I think the WH considered Pelosi an albatross.
I don’t get it either.
Pelosi has many beans to spill on the tacts of OFA. Best to shut her down now. Does anyone wonder why it seems as though Obama’s nemesis always is a woman? Whether Clinton, Pelosi, Palin, or Bachman? Why is that? I don’t know the answer to that or what that gets them, how that gets them the female vote.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying the WH wanted more ConservaDems elected. Who knows who would have been elected Speaker had the Dems not lost the House and more ConservaDems elected. I’m thinking the Blue Dogs would have had to have a majority of the Dem caucus before they could oust Pelosi.
Wow.
Where have you been?
“Black” and “white” are frequently used to signal ethnic purity and a false divide between the ethnic groups that doesn’t exist.
100% European-American is helpful imo, because it’s transparent about the emphasis on ethnic purity.
Same question for you as I posed for Matt. But please let add to it, the Jews/semitic peoples. Do you consider them “white?”
What ethnicity do you carry? Do you find it empowering?
‘“Black” and “white” are frequently used to signal ethnic purity and a false divide between the ethnic groups that doesn’t exist.’
Most people, black or white, use it purely descriptively.
This whole conspiracy is made up. In every case, Pelosi has been a facilitator of Obama’s republican policies. She’s rich, a member of the criminal class. Why would she squeal, why would the WH be mad at her? Makes no sense, this is just spin to cover Pelosi’s ass, imo.
Well, for me, Boo, I identify most with “Gay-pride” and as a social movement, yes I do find that very empowering. And there is a divide. I find the notion of “Post-Racial” as something akin to “Let’s move along now. There’s nothing to see here.” As far as “classism”, yes, I can understand we are all in the same boat. But the Black community still bears the brunt of that the most. Especially Black Women that will be effected the most in the continued gutting of social safety nets. Historically they have always been effected the most. These things cannot be denied and to me to remove “Black” from the social lexicon seems damaging and but another form of repression.
Random thought. Hindsight being what it is I regret supporting a public option over those who were fighting for single payer because a public option was theoretically more possible. Single payer supporters were right, no matter the outcome. I won’t make that kind of mistake again.
Pelosi and others are starting to wake up to the fact, OBAMA can’t access Conservative votes Dem or Rep.
Yes? everyone in the WH just found out OBAMA is black.
The WH political turn OBAME into Clarence Thomas, not a good idea! Few Dems will vote for a candidate that a lot in common with Clarence THomas.
the more OBAMA goes right, the stronger the Left becomes. Gov. Walker has done wonders to energize the Dem base. (remember new Dems running for office will not be GOP lovers, because of the actions by Gov. Walker)
Obama knows that he is in big trouble! the GOP is going to run a race base election, which will enegize the GOP base big time. (all of this talk about the GOP candidate being insane and can’t win is not true! the last time I check the USA still has a race problem look at the tea party)
On top of that OBAMA can’t get conservatives to vote for him! not going to happen.
the intelligent left is now triangulating OBAMA, yes OBAMA is being set up!, Obama needs a lot of Union Votes and Progressives Votes to beat any crazy GOPer, because he will not win anything with a few conservative votes if any. :)
Obama did not really understand 2008 that well, BUSH got him elected! and the bad economy got him elected, and a record turn out by progressives and liberals got him elected. nothing else
See U in the summer OBAMA WH, good luck
ask Clarence Thomas could he win a Dem election :)
Pelosi dump OBAMA! Obama needs Pelosi, Pelosi does not need OBAMA and she knows it!
the DC bubble can’t protect OBAMA from main street
it is the Economy Stupid
That’s your choice. The reason I’m here to begin with is because it became clear to me the Jane is brilliant tactically. She pushed Obama and the rest of the sniveling dem congress around during the health insurance bailout, as well as other cases.
No one. No one else has done that even remotely as effectively. The call Jane made was the right call, it’s easy to cry about it now, but the fact is SHE was the most effective, not these ‘single payer advocates’. As far as I’m concerned, if they got no game, they’re pretty fucking useless.
Do you really believe that as much as anyone jumped up and down about single payer, that it would have ever been considered by the whores in congress?
No. You don’t.
SD has a good take @ 92, but my view is that Obama was then and remains now perfectly comfortable with his Republicans buddies controlling the House and having increased their numbers in the Senate.
Losing the House to their Republicans buddies was not a heavy price for them to pay at all.
Kabuki aside, Obama & Co are essentially on the same side as Boehner & Co. Cantor calls for something far right. President Obama’s rhetoric barely passes as center-left. They all end up with policy that’s about where their masters want it, while they have you and me arguing about the so-called differences between Republican and Democratic positions.
She was sooooooooo fed up she threw the vote Boehner’s way even though he didn’t have the votes on the budget bill she was so disgusted in not getting any input into it.
Nancy is Academy Award level kabuki theater but in the end all she is providing is theater, not leadership.
Best case for 2012 is a Obama out, and new real dem super majorities. Might only make the filth that much more visible though.
Uh she had a choice. She took single payer off the table and then let a minority of 12 bully the progressive caucus and control the debate on women’s access to reproductive care. She ought to be ashamed of herself.
I starting thinking in this direction, too. However, the problem was that there was no one at the table fighting for single payer. Obama, Reid, Pelosi and/or a significant group of elected Democrats and Independents would have had to have championed the cause of single payer from the beginning of the debate all the way to the end in order for the result to have ended up with real reform, which at a minimum would have included a solid public option to compete with private insurance.
Without someone at the table fighting for single payer that FDL could have worked hard to support, FDL would have been wasting its time, imo.
As it was, the public option became a much more important focus of the debate than it would have had it not been for the efforts of FDL and others. It was really only removed entirely at the end of the debate, and many more Americans are aware of it now than they would have been had we not fought so hard for it.
da,
Your willingness to NOT define who you think belongs in the “white” club is unfortunately very telling.
“Especially Black women…..” On what planet do you live?
Where do you think all the men are? There in prison.
Rent Spike Lee’s “SchoolDaze.” Invite anyone who is not 100% European-American to explain it to you.
There is no “black community.”
That’s like saying the Warsaw ghetto in WWII was a “Jewish community.”
The unique hammer for anyone with the slightest hint of African/slave ancestry is “white supremacy,” doing everything it can to segregate and disenfranchise them.
Your sexual identity is NOT your ethnicity. Americans whose ancestors were kidnapped from Africa had no choice in their ethnic features and as Jacko showed, they never had the choice to hide them.
Why do you think so many African-American men shave their heads?
A lot of Americans who had slaves for ancestors, especially older ones will use the term “black.” The reasons are varied and complex. In general, I would encourage you to simply avoid “identity politics.” It’s rare when gender, sexual identity, or ethnicity are ever remotely relevant. If you must, the term African-American, is usually considered less offensive.
Evidently, you missed that the wingnuts are trying to turn all entitlements into WELFARE to stigmatize them as “black.”
The best hope for the bottom 99% is to unify without reference to religion, gender, sexual orientation or ethnicity. Thanks to the rampagingly ignorant attitude you display, it’s a daunting task.
+1
Yeah, but enough stunts like that, and more speaking up and making noise, the House is going to be a real thorn in Obama’s side, and I don’t mean Boehner’s tribes. Oh, they’ll play it with sadness and regret that the House Dems are being “uncivil” and undermining bipartisanship, just wait. But the more Dems speak with the real voice of the people, the more it will resonate. And that is exactly what the Obamas DO NOT WANT.
Rs and Ds are two sides of the same coin. The major difference is on social issues. The Regressives are blatant about privatizing everything except the Pentagon and law enforcement, and on the military side mercenaries are perfectly acceptable. Dems will give lip service to maintaining social safety nets, etc, but won’t fight too hard for them, as we’ve seen. Even the staunch liberals Kucinich and Sanders folded on HCR. Jobs? Forget about jobs. The only way to create jobs is to starting making things here again and that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. Profit over people.
Another sterling example of FDL’s Obama Derangement Syndrome. Now EVERYTHING is Obama’s fault.
Pelosi is never responsible for her own demise, the Dems’ loses or lack of leadership.
FDL just falls more & more into the irrelevant rabbit hole …
Boo, I know my sexual identity is not my ethnicity. I said what, as far as a social lexicon, empowers me the most in the continued fight, which I do consider, the fight being to confront classism. When Cornel West, the school of socialist and sociological thought I come from, tells me I am ignorant, well then I might go back and take some classes under him. You are a very condescending person and I do not in anyway see how that can help the cause of fighting the oppression of classism. Thanks for the sugar-coated gum ball, Mickey.
oooooo, an Obamabot. ooooooo
Certainly wish I could take a class or 2 from Dr West. The man is right on.
I wish! You would think Democrats got the message from the last election, when it was the Blue Dog DINO’s who got axed. Actually they have misread the signals from the beginning. The Independents, the so-called middle, are far more progressive than Washington ‘experts’ seem to think. If Nancy and other real Democrats had pushed harder and had any help from Obama at all they could have achieved the entire progressive agenda. They failed due to cowardice as well as Obama’s real agenda, which is to establish a Uniparty and destroy Democracy completely in the service of the ruling class, where he got his money to run and who he is serving. So while I agree Nancy is a real liberal, she consistently caves, under Bush and now under Obama. She is too much of a career hound and too conservative to lead progressives. But truly it is progressives who are destroying progressives by continuing to fall for Obama’s bullshit. We need another party and totally different people, true progressives, not the Clintonite sellouts who control the Democratic party.
Anyone who thinks FDL has fallen into anything other than revealing truth about the a$$holes in power – and there happens to be more truth to reveal about Obama because he’s a sleazy deceiving pos wolf in sheep’s clothing – just isn’t paying attention.
Obamabot mindless automatons, on the other hand, will find themselves increasingly in a smaller and smaller minority of irrelevant people over the next few months, who’s support for Obama will look delusional at best.
I’ll just say “I told you so” now, seeing how Obamabots don’t stop by FDL all that often.
Never happen. Nancy is a self-serving career politician, not a hero. We need to free the Democratic party of the old guard Clintonite compromisers, traitors to progressivism, DINO’s and get a new party going, leave them in the dust.
I fear Dr. West, will be called a “racist” soon enough after his showdown with Sharpton, or that will be the last time we see him on the mainstream propaganda machine. I don’t know if Dr. West has confronted the notion of “Post-racial”. I need to look it up and see his take on it. “Racist” worked to garnish some votes in 2008. I wondered if it would be pulled out again for 2012. I so hoped not. “Hope” is the new dirty word.
Too funny … Calling for Pelosi to be accountable for herself instead of petulant FDL writers covering for her by blaming her problems on someone else gets you labeled “OBAMABOT”!
It’s time for a new shtick ’round here … not everyone who disagrees with you is an “OBAMABOT”.
Trying to debate here is worse than trying to debate with Michelle Malkin …
Yeah. some threat the kabuki queen is to obama and some protector of ss is she. She snuck into a war bill a provision to force a vote, during the 2010 lame duck house session, for the catfood commission’s findings, which was stuffed with enemies of ss and hell bent on cutting ss benefits for future generations: http://firedoglake.com/2010/07/01/breaking-pelosi-sneaks-approval-of-vote-on-debt-commission-recommendations-into-rule-regarding-war-funding/
Like I’ve said before, if you believe that pelosi is your liberal hero, you’re fucked in the head.
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da,
It clearly wasn’t sufficiently condescending.
I’m giving you a little tough love which, in this area, you desperately need.
I glanced at a post you did on methane hydrates. You’re clearly a very well-educated guy.
You really, really, need to rent “School Daze.”
Socialism works great in homogeneous groups: families, tribes, religious groups. When you find it succeeding in a nation-state, please let us know. If you want to talk about REGULATED monopolies and REGULATED oligopolies, maybe you’ve got something to contribute on the subject. The laws of supply and demand are like gravity, we ignore them at our peril.
I appreciate you writing diaries at FDL and clearly you have a lot to offer this community. I’m a big tent guy and I hope you stay.
Inserting your sexual orientation into the discussion was imho a mistake. The appearance was that somehow you knew something about being black, because of your orientation. What I would invite you to consider, for your own physical safety, is that a lot people who had slaves for ancestors don’t share your well-educated world view.
As someone who appears very well-educated, I would challenge you. The responsibility on you is greater to use language which cannot be easily confused/construed with refined, well-educated white supremacy.
At a left blog that depends for traction on unions and minority votes, imho, it’s a real problem using terms such as “black.” I don’t give a sh*t that you didn’t mean it and you don’t consider yourself a refined and kindly white supremacist. I can think of damn few occasions where using the term “black,” in an ethnic context has an upside here or anywhere else. What your ignorant !@$ needs to learn is that just like the “gay” community, the “black” community subdivides itself. A lot of “queers” get offended if you call them “gay.”
You lost points with me when you failed to address the historical issues and the content of the arguments.
Public option people did two things wrong in my opinion. One- They failed to support the right for single payer supporters to have seat at the table. A guaranteed seat at the table for them would have guaranteed we started the debate from the left rather than from the middle. It would have helped with the debate on Medicare as well and led the discussion toward how government control of that program HAS been effective at keeping costs under control- which should have been the purpose of helth care It also could have discussed what would be needed to make a single payer system viable monetarily(it’s scheduled to become unself sustaining before social security. A real discussion on pros and cons would have been valuable. Two- The term public option was a vague term that was never clearly defined. It could and did mean different things to different people. Progressives did not do enough to ensure that what it meant was a government run plan that competed in the market place with public insurance. They didn’t do well defining the parameters on who would be eligible(in my opinion it should be anyone- not just people without insurance to begin with-one of the goalposts floated). They didn’t do well discussing the pros of a federal system vice a state one(Medicaid in many states is horrendous; you have problems finding doctors who will take it and in order to receive it in some places). Meanwhile states whine about having to implement these systems but at the same time want to control the federal monies they receive and not have to put their own money into it. Not reasonable at all. If you want a state run program then you get to foot some of the bill, if you want federal money to fund it then feds should standardize and control it(much like they do with Medicare).
Anyway, done bun can’t be undone but those were the major issues I saw with a public option.
Yes, Kucinich couldn’t even stand up for a public option. I’m sure his voice at the table for single payer would have made all the difference.
Forgive the sarcasm, but it wouldn’t have made a difference.
That’s how you start out. Then the Dem loss in 2010 is Pelosi’s fault. Yes, her lack of real leadership from the left may have had something to do with it. What you neglect/ignore, however, is Obama’s ideology, which is the real cause. Do you understand what neoliberalism is? Look it up.
Fail.
You have a right to your own delusions, but not your own facts.
The problem is that you’re a supporter of Obama armed with nothing more than delusion coming to debate at a place where people are informed.
Debating with people like you is a lot like debating with people like Michelle Malkin.
Btw, why’d you skip over my response to you @ 120?
And clearly, I agree with this, but I think “racial,” is always a poor choice. “Ethnic” is imho a much less polarizing term.
Another fact that you failed to address is that the Irish, Poles, Jews/Semitic, and Italians have largely succeeded in getting grandfathered into the working wingnut definition of “white.”
That’s why I think admittedly clumsy terms such as 100% European-American are so critical for the descendants of the slaves (an economic reference to them that avoids any discussion of ethnicity).
It reverses the polarity. Diversity is welcomed. What is suspect or marginalized is ethnic purity.
Pelosi used her power at the House to pass a lot of legislation, some of which include that “change” that Candidate Obama talked about back in 2007 and 2008.
Reid used his power at the Senate to, well, watch legislation get stalled and strip good ideas out of the legislation that did get through the Senate (the House’s health care bill included a public option, while Senate Democrats negotiated it away in order to get nothing in return).
Obama used his power at the White House to force the few Senate Democrats and House Democrats who wanted some little bit of real reform to accept crap instead.
I’m not surprised Democrats lost in 2010.
Blaming Pelosi for it is laughable.
I think the deal was no impeachment in exchange for Rumsfield’s resignation and the assurance that Bush wouldn’t attack Iran. Bush was always an illegitimate and literally an unprecedented POTUS. His regime ruled by war and rumors of war. Every time serious impeachment grumblings surfaced, the US Navy moved a fleet into the Persian Gulf. Bush and the White House Iraq Group held the government hostage through terror.
We’re at a point where it’s beyond persons or personalities. It’s the ideology. We used to condemn the neocons when Shrub was in office. What many failed to see was that once Reagan here and Thatcher in the UK got into office and the deindustrialization of both countries took off at light speed the prevailing ideology was neoliberalism. Manufacturing was so 19th century. The Dollar Almighty rules now. Anything that can be monitized will be. Labour is a commodity to be sold on the market, along with health care, pensions, the very air we breathe and the water we drink.
The entire reason that Pelosi and others decided to wait out the Bush regime was so that we could move forward with a new administration. We got a third term of Bush instead. I don’t know how Pelosi can get so screwed over and keeping working so hard to move forward.
Thank you, Leader Pelosi!
Timing is everything. IMO she had little choice. To have openly opposed Obama, just elected darling of the press and the people, would have been catastrophic for her and her base. Now is a different setting. But of course there is no way of knowing.
Boo, this is probably a conversation we should have over a Micro-Brew or Paps Blue Ribbon. (That was snark.) Makes no difference to me which one we drink. Depends on which one we can offered at the moment. (Though what I found most telling was when Paps was making a comeback in 2008 was that is was put on the menu of “trendy”, code word for “White”, establishments with the price jacked up.)
I inserted “Gay-pride” as a social empowerment movement before I inserted my identity. (The Conscientious Use of Language to empower social movements is a theory in Linguistics.) I come from the ethnicity of Redneck (use that to beat me over the head or not) with a White Father in 25 year relationship with a Black Man with a stepmother that called himself “Wicked Stepmother”. I should finish my work on “My Stepmother is a Black Man.” Pretty much sums up my educational and personal thoughts on the matter. Thoughts that are always evolving for all of us.
I’m a “gal” by the way. And it makes no difference to me whether I lost points with you or not. I suspect your condescending attitude losses points with many on a “liberal” blog.
You’re certainly entitled to feel differently but I do believe a discussion on health care in all it’s forms would have been helpful. Furthermore if the public option system would have been actually defined as something similar to Medicare folks like Weiner would have been on board. As a matter of fact sometime during the debate he tried to say “medicare for all” IS a public option.
By the time they were through with whittling down what a public option would look like many of the public option’s supporters(myself included) decided that even if we got a public option that with the narrow scope of people allowed into it and redundancies that would occur by allowing each state control over determining eligibility would hinder it’s ability to effectively control costs.
Right on! We’ve been living in a world that was very much created by Reagan and Thatcher 30 years ago. During Dubya’s regime, the MOTU perfected their methods, driving the economy of the US and the world nearly to total collapse. What amazes me is that the American people spoke loudly in 2006 and 2008, but nothing has changed (pdf).
Obama has been a total failure. No hope. No f’ing change.
I think there is enough blame to go around.
Weiner played his part in the kabuki all too well. He made you feel like there was a fight and like you had a side in the fight. Good for you. All he did was calm supporters of reform down and hold their hands while the a$$holes gave us Obamacare.
You’re right that real leaders could have explained the truth about the public option, but that assumes that people like Obama and Weiner really wanted to create a public option.
Clearly, they didn’t.
The reason the Dems won in 06 and 08 was because they campaigned on “progressive” issues knowing full well that in DeeCee those issues were long out of favour.
“would have been catastrophic for her and the base”? How much more catastrophic would it have been then the result of losing the House in 2010 and having a base so dejected it doesn’t show up to elect the party at the very first opportunity? I mean seriously because that’s part and parcel of what happened in 2010.
They campaigned on what they know the American people want. I now do my best not to call the positions “progressive” anymore and say instead that they’re what’s right for the American people and what the American people want.
“The responsibility on you is greater to use language which cannot be easily confused/construed with refined, well-educated white supremacy.”
The responsibility on all of us is to have this conversation period. Having the conversation while insinuations of racism are made, with the code word of “ignorance”, is not beneficial to furthering the conversation. My stance on that comes from “common sense” that has nothing to do with so-called “higher” education. Gotta go study, Boo, on why it is better that we reflect upon, “Feed two birds with one scone” rather than “Kill two birds with one stone”. Though the first of course is still anthropomorphism. [Edited anthropocentrism]. See you around.
If you are paying attention to what I’m saying then you’ll notice that I wasn’t a single payer supporter. I did, however, support their right to be heard.
Anyone who thinks that Nancy Pelosi — had she been POTUS — would have governed the way Barack Obama has governed is delusional. She would not have betrayed us repeatedly — FOR NO REASON — the way he has.
Their right to be heard, for what? To be a little squeaking voice dropping two cents behind the guy at the back corner of the table? There wouldn’t have been much of a point. It would have accomplished nothing of consequence and contributed nothing to the way it turned out. Just my opinion, I suppose…
Which public option are you talking about? The one that in the beginning started out as a program that people could voluntarily sign up for if they felt they were being shafted by insurance piranhas? Or the one at the end which would piecemeal only allow a select few of people without insurance who didn’t have insurance to begin with because it was cost prohibitive for the insurance companies to provide it for them? It shifted so many times I can understand why it is called “the public option sparkle pony” in not so polite single payer circles(*Hi Lambert!* waving*).
The country is going to spend the summer seething in rage from gas hitting $5 before it goes to $3. Food will spike and the government will say there is ‘no inflation’ and there will be no SS COLAS. This number juggling from the Fed and Govt will throw more gas on the fire.
This ‘open mike’ thing was meant to be the frosting on the cake after the ryan bashing speech on Wed. Also they were taking heat when Pelosi went after sperling.
I liked the way it ‘sounded’. However….
They correctly assume it would have been ‘great but talk is cheap’ to most progressives.
Then what about Manning, mccrystal,(carney told Jake Tapper that the President was ‘aware of his resume’), holder not acting on what Sen Levin concluded about banksters, Libya.
Also his numbers are tanking into the low 40′s.
Today’s jobless claims were north of 400K.
Not a syllable about employment or 99ers.
For a guy who was stung with crackers clutching bibles and rifles in San Fransisco two years ago,
there aren’t any ‘open mikes’..
The WH wanted a republican house, like rove wanted wars. They knew the public wouldn’t fire a president during a war.
This week of speaking is just a week of things that Ed and Rachel are happy to hear, it is of course, actions that prove.
Back it up barry, then I’ll be there.
I think she was fooled by Obama like so many of the rest of us. She should run now for the nomination with the following slogan: “HOPE & CHANGE”
“Subpoena power” Pelosi pot meet “every campaign promise I ever made” Obama Kettle…
Seriously? You’re pointing out the very problem I’m talking about. They did a super job of creating a lot of confusion about the public option. Your comment @ 148 demonstrates the point. I’m not interested in circular arguments. Sorry.
There are pros and cons to any type of health care, Medicare included.
Medicare pros include popularity, the fact it’s already in place so it would only need expansion, and it’s proven ability to control costs.
It’s big negative is at this moment sustainability and it would also mean that people who had coverage that was good through private companies would be forced into it.(and yes I understand that supporters believe that by including healthy people in the pool you’d have sustainability. Ask the DoD how that’s worked out for them though. Disclosure: I was a Navy corpsman so I am very familiar with funding issues and the problems it causes each fiscal year around September)
The American people never got to hear these arguments though because it was declared off the table to begin with.
I think impeachment was off for any number of reasons, including what ever cheney had on Reid and Pelosi as unintended accomplices. If they were going down, Pelosi would go too.
She was third in line of succession, and if bush went cheney would have to go as well, do the math. There absolutely had to be more than met the eye.
That was my second point. Did you read what I wrote?
I don’t know who’s behind it, but I’m all for it.
And I know why:
“Impeachment is off the table”.
“We won’t pass a bill without a public option.”
Everything – literally, everything – that could have been called real reform that the American people heard a whole lot about got shoved off the table, too. What’s your point? What part of KABUKI are you not understanding?
Zing. Nice line!
But let’s face it, Nancy is as dedicated to selling out as Obummer is.
H.L. Mencken for the first quote, and PT Barnum for the second?
Matt shoots…he scores!
The idea of “standing fast” would appeal to Mr. Obama about as much as giving up the White House early to work for a year in a soup kitchen. It’s an appealing thought, so long as one doesn’t contemplate doing it.
His personality seems built around a once elegant survival skill. Like many formed in response to dysfunction, this one, too, has outlived its utility to deal constructively with his present circumstances.
Mr. Obama expresses an abject need to adopt, to accommodate, to become the most powerful voice within earshot. Subtly morphing into the voice he finds himself needing to succor or compete with allows him to lower tension and to feel in charge. In reality, he gives up himself and those he represents. A whirlwind of impregnable self-justification ensues.
Some wives would admire that trait. Partners with any maturity, however, realizing they would never always be the loudest voice in the room, would come to resent, disrespect and fear it. So should those who voted for him and might do so again.
Lest anyone forget, Pelosi’s mantra on the war criminal Neocons was that prosecuting them wasn’t what the ‘American people’ wanted. Get rid of all of these sellout stooges.
I get kabuki. I also get the progressive group was actively participating in the kabuki and instead of actually standing up for real people to participate in the debate, shut them out and alienated them. That’s my observation. I’m a process person, so these kind of things matter to me I guess.
After reading Ari Berman’s piece on Obama’s enforcer in The Nation, the backstabbing of Pelosi has Obama’s and his enforcer (a minion of Max Baucus) dirty fingerprints all over it.
Messina is truly evil.
I don’t mean to say you’re wrong, as much as we have slightly different perspectives.
I’m not sure which progressive groups you think shut out or alientated people who thought that the single payer position should have had a seat at the table. FDL made a decision to work for the strongest public option possible. The public option polls well to this day, in part thanks to FDL’s efforts.
To argue that FDL’s decision to work for the strongest public option possible (getting a lot of support from members of Congress, I might add) means that FDL shut out or alientated single payer advocates just doesn’t make sense.
Not sure how working for the strongest public option possible would make FDL part of the kabuki. FDL was a victim of the kabuki, just like everybody else in America who understood the need for real reform.
I wish this blog had some kind of comment tracking thing !!
Any-hoo —- MY problem with Pelosi goes back to Nov. / Dec. 2006.
I was a 36th Legislative District monthly meeting, and Jim McDermott came to talk to us!
WE WERE SO PSYCHED.
Any-hoo, along comes “impeachment is off the table” outta Jim’s mouth – cuz – if we do anything then the fascists will lie that we’re dirty fucking hippies and the fascists will lie that we aren’t bipartisan … then we’ll lose
or some such, standard ‘ol stuff, 30 year old weenie bullshit.
I wrote in “Medicare ForAll” instead of checking off Jim’s name AND I just am so f’king fed with all of them.
I hope you’re correct – but that “hope” thing ain’t worked worth a shit in ’92 or in ’08.
rmm.
I think that anyone who think Pelosi is any different than Obama is deluding themselves. She “looked forward, not back” (at the Bush administration after the 2006 election) before Obama did in 2008. As a matter of fact, she pulled the same scam right before the 2006 midterms that Obama pulled before the 2010 midterms — She announced she was taking impeachment off the table before the 2006 midterms (and Obama announced that should Democrats retain control of Congress after the 2010 midterms, he would continue “working in a bipartisan manner with Republicans”, caving on legislation) so that after the elections both could blame their move to the right as more “Elections have consequences” drivel.
Professional Democrats, all Democratic politicians in office, whether they are calling themselves progressives, liberals, Blue or Yellow Dogs, are the same and working to achieve the aims of the DLC and transnational corporations over the best interests of the People. If they are a professional political and member of the Democratic Party, and in Washington, they have bought into and are supporting the culture of transnational corporations/military industrial complex (defense contractors) as their real constituents.
Their only problem with this is that corporations don’t vote, and politicians need votes to get into office. So they, Democratic politicians, try to convince the People they’re working on our behalf with weasel-words, rhetoric designed to lead voters into thinking one thing when the opposite is true. Obama can say things like, “I got health insurance for the People”, but having health insurance isn’t what Americans wanted and isn’t what Democratic voters put Obama and Democrats into power to get for them. Having health insurance isn’t the same thing as everyone being able to get affordable, quality medical treatment.
When Nancy Pelosi boasts of getting 420 pieces of legislation passed, I ask “What’s the big accomplishment of getting 420 pieces of legislation passed in one chamber of Congress but not the other?” It only becomes law when both chambers pass it.
Democrats in both chambers of Congress work as a team. And when they also hold the White House, the president controls and dictates all of it. They identify what they hope to achieve (pro-corporate legislation) and then strategize how to get it while saving each other’s hides with constituents come election time.
Those in liberal districts get to talk a good game about being champions of the People, but when push comes to shove, if their votes are needed to cross over and k!ll liberal legislation (like a public option or access to abortion), the DNC will make sure they are covered come election time, with massive infusions of money into their campaign war chests and crushing any principled challenges to them from the left in their primaries.
Here’s an example of how they tag team us:
Lynn Woolsey, head of the Progressive Caucus, likes to brag that she was the first to bring a resolution to end the war in Iraq. She, and congressional Democrats, and Obama, ran on ending the practice of paying for the wars through supplement al emergency spending bills, and putting the wars on budget (see why that is significant here).
Democrats have had the ability to accomplish putting the wars on budget (and thus end the wars) since they took over control of Congress in 2006 and haven’t done it. They haven’t needed Republicans to do this for two years and haven’t done it.
As the head of the Progressive Caucus, Lynn Woolsey led 79 of the 82 members of the caucus to pledge that they would not vote for any healthcare reform legislation that didn’t include a public option.
Woolsey then led the 79 to renege on the pledge.
Unbeknownst to Lynn Woolsey’s constitutents (it was never reported in her district’s newspapers ): Progressive Congresswoman Woolsey Endorses Pro-War Blue Dog Jane Harman Over Progressive Marcy Winograd
Democrats have let Obama continue with just about all of Bush-Cheney’s policies, and wars, and let Obama go Bush-Cheney even better, by letting Obama assert, unchallenged, that presidents have the right to k!ll Americans with no due process or oversight, push for ‘preventive detention’ and no transparency of anything a president asserts should be his secret.
Democrats have abdicated their Constitutionally-required role of oversight of the executive branch; they failed to perform it during the Bush-Cheney administration, and still don’t with one of their own in the White House.
I don’t know what it’s going to take for Democratic voters to wake up and realize we’re being played by all Democratic politicians.
By the way, I don’t know how anyone can explain what Obama and Pelosi did before the 2006 and 2010 midterms as anything but trying to suppress the base of the Democratic Party’s vote.
Obama and the DNC worked their butts off to PREVENT more progressives/liberals from getting elected in the 2010 midterms. Obama and the DNC put the power of the White House and the DNC, and the Democratic congressional committees behind Blue Dogs, Republicans and Independents over progressives/liberals and real Democrats. Some, but not all, examples:
Blue Dog Blanche Lincoln over progressive Democrat Lt. Governor Bill Halter .
Republican-turned-Independent Arlen Specter over (quasi-) progressive Democrat Joe Sestak.
Republican-turned-Independent Lincoln Chaffee over Democrat Frank Caprio (which, in turn, was an effective endorsement of the Republican John Loughlin over Democrat David Cicilline for the congressional seat Democrat Patrick Kennedy retired from, and all of the other seats up for grab in Rhode Island).
Republican-turned-Independent Charlie Crist over liberal Democrat Kendrick Meek.
And by getting involved in the election at the primaries’ stage, Obama became the first sitting president in US history to interfere with the citizens’ very limited rights in this democratic republic to select who they will trust to make laws to which they consent to be governed.
Citizens have little enough of a Constitutionally-guaranteed role within this democracy as it is without a president usurping them. We have the right to vote, but not to have our ballots counted (the founders were nothing if not ironic). But to have a president enter into our choices at the most basic level, state primaries, is a gross abuse of the process.
On all issues, Obama chose to cave instead of using the power of his roll as head of the Democratic party to get Democratic legislation passed. Obama and the DNC could have cut off support to any Blue Dogs, cut money, cut committee assignments, etc., but they did not.
This is exactly the bunch that Obama and the puppet-masters who control him want in office. On both sides of the aisle. Obama, Ds & Rs in office, working on behalf of transnational corporations.
Damn fine posts, marcospinelli. Thank you.