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“The First Amendment was written by the Founders to protect the free exercise of Christianity. They were making no effort to give special protections to Islam. Quite the contrary….”
Of course, constitutional originalists may have a hard time swallowing Fischer’s interpretation, given the contemporaneous documents available from the Founders’ own pens:
… [the Virginia Act's] protection of opinion was meant to be universal … they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s [sic] protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
– Thomas Jefferson, in his autobiography, in Writings
[Sidenote: The infernal its/it's confusion is apparently woven into America's founding!]
Fischer’s bigotry isn’t against a religion, of course: Islam isn’t a faith! It’s treason:
Fischer took it a step further, calling Islam a “treasonous ideology” and adding that “from a constitutional point of view, Muslims have no First Amendment right to build mosques in America. They have that privilege at the moment, but it is a privilege that can be revoked.”
Oh, and we need some denouncing, stat: Michele Bachmann, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee, and Haley Barbour, likely presidential aspirants all, have appeared on Bryan Fischer’s radio show.
Do these GOPs also believe Muslims have no first amendment protections? Rock and a hard place for these 2012 Goat Rodeo bigot-panderers. Ally yourselves with a quite basic misconception of the American Constitution or piss off Bryan’s fundie fans?
We await the denouncing, but are not holding our breath.
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Scary.
Good evening, all.
I guess Fischer knows Jefferson’s mind better than even old Tom did.
What an ignorant snake.
Teddy!
TEDDY!
Too funny!
No mention of Christianity at all. A Constitutional Scholar he is not. So, rights not specifically spelled out don’t exist but we can infer that the First Amendment meant only Christianity. I’ll never get winger “logic”.
I for one am really glad you are not holding your breath. I don’t want to speculate on what color of blue you would be turning. The denunciations will. not. be. happening.
If asked, the aforementioned Tea-GOP Presnit candidate wannabe’s will dodge and weave and protest mightily about how the terrists are trying to kill us and we have to be really careful and they will call down imprecations on all the scary Moooslims and sich who have attacked us – especially the ones who were paid to do it by the FBI, and then they will change the subject to the loony lefties – you know that guy who shot Gabby Giffords, now that guy is the one yada yada yada
Fischer claims “morals” based on Christianity. Uhh huh.
How convenient to ditch basic concepts, Equality, in favor of a specific brand of morals.
The GOP has run out of things to talk about. You can only rail against Muslims, gays, abortion, unions, and Obama so long before people start asking ‘where are the jobs?’ and ‘why are you giving everything to the top 2%?’
Of course there is no pundit intrepid enough or independent enough to ask that question.
There is no logic involved. They just say stuff and even when it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, if you try to point that out then they accuse you of being a hater and attacking them and calling you all kinds of names and then the argument is “won” by them because you give up and leave in disgust.
I accused my friend of being a “secret MOSLEM” today because he was using Arabic numerals. I guess I don’t do snark well ’cause he didn’t get it.
Apparently he is also anti-bear, calling grizzlies ‘a curse.’
Which is really the last straw, for me. Not sure how it fits into the all-Gods-creatures thang.
Hey, newton!
Yeah. Hence the quotes.
But he’s managed to get every single one of these Goat Rodeo participants on his radio program to pledge to restore DADT. They are panderers par excellance, nonpareil.
The GoogleAd showing right now on this page that I can see is a couple of sexy looking “Muslim Girls” and an Arab Muslim matchmaking site. Wow! Heads exploding on the right!
I’ll bet he gets a stiffie when he sees Palin shooting at defenseless wolves from out a helicopter.
Teddy!
I think the Treaty of Tripoli (1797) also sort of makes a shambles of his argument. See especially Article 11.
“Candidate X seeks a diversity of voices and views, it is very important s/he listens to people with whom s/he disagrees as well as those s/he agrees with.”
Lately used by Jay Carney, WH Press Secy, to excuse the continued service of GE CEO Immelt as chair of the President’s Jobs Joint, despite GE’s tax ‘avoidance.’
They were throwing each other behind them, trying to be the first and loudest to re-instate DADT.
BTW: I haven’t seen anything. Just when are they going to stop enforcing that policy? The last I heard the study was over and we were….waiting for something….Oilbama to work up his nerve or whatever.
This moron is beyond saving; the fun will come when Watchdog Media begins to seek The Denouncings. Don’t hold yer breath!
Sometimes even the Fundy’s drivel dips into the high-comedic scale.
Colbert must have had a ball with this at the time.
These things are central to their 2012 platform: hatred of the Other is central to their supporters’ lives.
Aloha, Teddy…!
I’m not holding my breath waiting for Abe Foxman and the ADL to denounce this dreck…!
We all get different ads depending on our recent surfing habits.
I got Mazda, you got Muslim girls. Might be better not to mention the ads you’re seeing, just sayin’. Or clear some cookies before someone you love logs onto your laptop. *g*
Looks like they’re “still training” the homobigots to get over themselves. I wonder if it will ever be truly repealed?
!!!
Well, they are modified, and quite a bit. For instance 3 looks like ٣ in Arabic.
Yes, I stuck with the Founders, but the treaty very clearly states we’re not a Xtian country. Of course, with a name like “Of Tripoli” what can you expect?
I suggest we smear him in bacon grease (to protect him from those scary Musselmens) and drop him in the middle of the Bob Marshall Wilderness here in Montana. He will be safe from them there. Of course it does have the largest grizzly population in the lower 48 (and bears LUV bacon grease).
They’ve begun their long, extensive, detailed training about Teh Ghey.
I’d like to win a contract to teach some Marines, just sayin’.
It’s not a problem for me – I just thought it was a little ironic for all the Islamophobes out there. *g*
CT !!!
Clicking on FDL ads helps the blog along, just sayin’.
Do your part! *g*
See? No good at snark at all. Maybe I’ll just stop trying.
It was unanimously ratified by the people who wrote and adopted the Constitution and signed by Pres. John Adams.
[keeping mum as belch and I already won the "reeducation contract." shhh]
Speaking of pigs: my FB friend Pandora Boxx, late of RuPaul’s DragRace, told us about a new martini she’s heard made with Bacon-Flavored Vodka. It’s called a Pig Fart.
Last I checked You Were Speaking about Republicans weren’t you? They will always go with the pissant lying Bigots in the Rightwingnut talk
showspropaganda nutcakes..They didn’t have to do all that when blacks were integrated. Truman just said this is the way it’s going to be and if you don’t like it, get the fuck out. It should have been handled precisely the same way this time in my opinion.
Unfortunately, it’s mostly not the lower ranks of Marines that you need to train – it’s all those white-haired guys with the racks of medals on their jackets and the gold stuff on their hats. That is the source of the problem and will continue to be until they have all retired, one way or the other.
Oh, don’t mind Kelly, he’s just showing off his mad keyboarding skilz.
I like what you said to yer friend!
That’s right!
When Coulter’s book ads pop up, I click like crazy. Someone is getting paid, and it ain’t Ann Coluter.
Well, this was a Big Iowa To-Do, this week, with all the “candidates” in the Goat Rodeo traipsing up there to talk their way through the Radio-a-thon. Bryan seems to have been a mandatory stop, and then used his newfound infamy to piss us off about the Muslims.
Exactly!
What a concept.
I expect Mickey Kauss will be there. I just hope he is not too disappointed.
Sorry.
Britain had about four months from the EU Court ruling to integrate Teh Gheys into open service. One day everyone came to work with a memo on their desk, is about how it went. But here there are vast training contracts to let, I suppose. Can’t do anything in the Pentagon without graft and crony contracting.
I know, right?
I mean, what would possess an otherwise sane person to put that out there, unless it really was part of their belief system?
Lid for every pot, though; I surely have some dolphin friends who’d be happy to train a Marine daddy or two.
Oh snap…! I guess Pork Fat does rule supreme…! ;-)
Can’t do anything in the Pentagon without graft and crony contracting.
Not if they can help it anyway. Got to look out for that lucrative post-retirement career.
Yeah but it’s different this time. You could see those guys coming – and these new ones you can’t tell by just lookin at em an stuff and they jus sneak on up an surprise ya and …and…
TBogg has news about Mickey.
Not a concept our crony-filled Pentagon would ever find easy, though.
LMAO! Don’t apologize sweetie! I like it when you make funny li’l characters.
hi Kelly
Saw that earlier and commented on it.
I think it’s important for gay people to be accurate about the whole Muslim thing in America.
The contributions from Arabic culture are abundant, like the numeral thing, where it really is about the 0 place holder, not the shape of the numbers.
More importantly, to me anyways, it’s about not letting a group of people to be unfairly despised for no good reason.
Yeah. No doubt there are going to be studies done by the MIC to develop ways to exploit teh gay for their advantage or “cure” them instead. No doubt FRC will get a no bid contract.
teddy!
I’m sure our Gay First Amendment rights are on Bryan’s list of “don’t exist.”
‘lo, ma’m.
Any news?
Yep. Fa@@ots first, brownies next.
Is it just me or does that guy have bumps on his forehead that look like he could have horns growing under there?
Not only that but the whole numbering scheme invented by the Romans was awkward and really didn’t lend itself to conventional arithmetic as we understand it. 1,448 for example would be MCDXLVIII Try subtracting that conventionally from 2,000, (MM). When I came up with the joke, it was out of musing about how much more convenient the Arabs made math.
nope, jen’s not in labor (yet) so i’m still in ‘any day now’ mode
“… within the mantle of it’s [sic] protection … ”
It’s hard to tell whose ‘[sic]‘ that is (yours or the quoted author’s); nevertheless, ‘it’s’ in Jefferson’s era was still okay for 3rd-person possessive pronoun (or possessive adjective as some grammars call it). Jefferson’s original Declaration MS also uses that form.
And just as soon as he has Teh Gay and the Mooselmens under control, he is coming for all the folks with them lady parts. The Constitution only applies to straight Christian white men.
Yes, but only liberal extremists are math- and science-literate.
Hard to believe that guy is only 59. Maybe bitterness and hate makes you look ancient.
YIKES! Guess I know where that leaves me.
Kelly, I’d describe him as a lip-service Christian: he only talks about it; if he actually had to practice it, his ignorance would kill him. Or make other people do it for him.
At least your grandchild won’t have to listen to those “I was soooo uncomfortable that summer” stories my brother (October) and I (September) were subject to, ad infinitum, for years: best countered with “I didn’t ask to be born, ya know.”
It is the quoted author’s “[sic]“
Maybe he just overdosed on bleach searching for that whiter shade of pale.
Adding: it’s a correction I gave up years ago for its futility.
(Note both forms, correctly used, above)
Also a joke: men can count to 11 but women can do algebra.
You too? My mom made it sound like I held a gun to her head and forced her to conceive me. I was born in May though so she was griping about other things, like how much I “owed” her for carrying me to term and delivering me. Usually in the context of how badly and disappointingly I was turning out, (despite her best efforts of course).
Maybe a person does end up with the face he deserves.
I think those look a lot like little horns. Pointing down, though, so it’s probably his hair.
i don’t think any child escapes those attempts at inducing guilt no matter what month he/she is born. jen’s had a difficult pregnancy and baby julianna will have plenty of ‘how miserable i was’ stories she’ll grow up hearing that won’t include weather.
*whew!*
I thank dawg that my mother was never like that. I wasn’t that bad, being born in February and with no problems. My sister on the other hand was very late and born at the end of July. In Oklahoma. Before air conditioning.
Racists with suntans. What’s up with that, anyway?
It is said to be the gateway to the soul.
It dawned on me a few years back that Roman numerals work best when you think of them as the labels on an abacus.
Seriously. And, you know I what I am going to suggest? I may not use the proper words but the tasks that must performed include investigating, impeaching, indicting, having a proper trial, convicting and incarcerating.
This would tend to support that idea, along with this. I don;t like making fun of peoples’ looks. It;s a cheap shot IMO but these people are guilty of the cheapest of cheap shots, attacking a vulnerable population for no other reason than out of their own hatred.
Or in Fischer’s case, to the twisted, desiccated remains of what might once have been a soul.
You just stimulated my brain into a new direction. Bear with me.
See, I’ve jumped out of my Arabic postings for a bit for 2 reasons; one, time since Judy has been time consuming with the hospital thing but two, I’ve been a bit stuck on how to actually help understand reading before moving forward with meaning of words and such.
[The reason why I even care is because despising a group out of ignorance is just vile to me intellectually, and I know from experience when you KNOW individuals from a group it's very hard to despise them. Thus, spread knowledge and stories. Helps to cure.]
So that Roman numeral thing? Not uncommon for ancient languages to use letters in place of numbers. But you know what’s the same for Romans and Arabs? Sundials. Same for Hebrew.
And why that’s important is the astronomy calculations necessary for both Jewish and Islamic religious purposes. And Sundials go left to right; clockwise.
Imagine trying to read a clock backwards. That would fuck you up. So what I should really do is present the words both forwards and back wards! That will help the visual representation of the Arabic.
We’d need a Nuremberg style court because there are so many defendants. Start with Oilbama and end up with Yoo and Hadley. Two administrations’ worth and most of Congress, plus all of the enablers funders.
Ah, the attempt to shove one off on a voyage of guilt …
Uh-oh.
Time for me to toddle off. More corrupting tomorrow and week until spring break (YAY!). Take care all.
Alrighty then! Let’s get busy!!
Tangential– Oooo. Oooo. “Dutch bankers’ bonuses axed by people power” (Guardian, Mar. 27, 2011)
G’nite DrDick corrupter of young minds.
Sounds logical. Of course sundials are universally clockwise, that’s just procession. I agree that the way people learn to overlook differences is to share commonalities. I know the most rabid, ideologically driven and pure right wingers who have no problems with LGBT people. It’s invariably because they have a member of their very close family that is part of the community.
Been a long day, kids, so I’m going to wander off to bed. Be excellent to each other.
Yeah, when I got older I used to point out that since it didn’t work on me, she wasn’t any good at it and therefore was a failure as a Catholic.
Whoops, right to left for clockwise!
[It's your other left, you mad homo!]
Nite EDP
If enough people wrote my name in, that would be in the top five of my priorities.
OT– I like your book reading group suggestion.
Kewl however we still need that Nuremberg trial-like thingy you suggested.
Ima gonna turn in too. Haven’t figured what I’m gonna turn into yet but I plan on doing it in my bed. Oya.
Wow– sounds like a possible saloon scene. Niters Margaret.
Yup.
The Dutch have much more experience with a finance-driven economy, starting long ago with tulipmania. Any attempt to rein in bonii here will be met with withholding of services by the banksters, and threats to leave for the Caymans.
OT– The video Lisa linked to apparently has been taken down (see “Late Night: Celebrity Stupidity” by Lisa Derrick, Tuesday March 22, 2011, 7:57 pm)
If only they would leave. I would even allow them to take their bonii with them as long as they didn’t get any more. Our pockets are just about empty already.
I thought they had threatened to take their “talent” to China to which I’d say, “Good luck with that!”
It would be fun if the MOTUs got chased outta town with pointy sticks.
The guy and those others also named may well be racists, but Islam isn’t a race, Moslems aren’t a racial group, even if there are such things as actual races.
I think we are approaching a “Life of Brian” event.
Therefore it has a good chance of becoming.
Bigots, then. Bigoted against Islamists.
I want to see Feith’s sorry ass, besides Shrub and Darth, standing in the Docket at the Hague…! 8-(
{ LOL } It’s got to be Minty Fresh Monty Python.
Always Look On The Bright Side of Life!
I put up a diary here late last week on these same statements made by Fischer, partially because my local AK Rep introduced a bill based on Fischer’s stuff in the legislature earlier in March.
Even though it quickly made the recommended list, my diary was removed. I’m not complaining. If you want to see the diary, as I posted it here, it is still at my own blog.
Follow this link.
It still makes me laugh. A little soft shoe here, a little soft shoe there … Of course the totally out of place Cockney accents are a must. Oh yeah Golgotha is such a party place. :D
Thank you.
(My comment replied to EvilDrPuma.)
I can remember when the bigotry of the Rs was subtle and sort of quiet. Now it’s just blatant, in-you-face and really ugly. They have no shame about it at all.
People don’t have private conversations here.
Anyone is permitted to reply to any comment left, regardless of whose comment it was in reply to. Your snippy response to the post author is, however, noted.
I missed that, Philip. I suppose the satire was too deep for someone.
Will someone please reply to Teddy that I wasn’t being snippy?
I notice you have your own little pet Israeli troll…! ;-)
The removal sort of proves one of your points – “Ally yourselves with a quite basic misconception of the American Constitution,” or piss off the mods. I thought I was covered by Larry Flynt vs. that dead white guy, uh Jerry Falwell – parody of a public figure.
My goal is to turn that agent.
*heh* Aim high…! ;-)
He or she is downhill, so aiming high doesn’t usually work. More like cover ‘em with bubble wrap and duct tape.
roll snowballs down on it and maybe they will be swept away in the resulting avalanche..
Have you discussed this with the MyFDL editors?
I am hoping you can. Wont put any money on it though.
CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: We’re Out of Pampers!
~~~ET, that diary was not removed. Here it is.
Best guess is that it slid off the Recent Diaries list and Recommended Diaries list because it was rapidly followed by subsequent submissions.~~~
I discussed it with the day editor via email, leaving him or her my phone number, and did not complain past observing the obvious point that my post was parody of a public figure. I wouldn’t have brought it up like this, except that your post covers the same territory, and I’ve been wondering over the weekend whether not not looking from feedback in the fdl community is appropriate.
….meanwhile – we’ve been EPU’d.
Nope. Doesn’t show up Lurk.
I mean the URL does, but you get a “page not found” error. No content.
That’s an exaggeration.
By 1797, Franklin was dead. Madison was never a Senator; neither was Hamilton.
VT, TN, and KY had joined the Union.
39 men signed the US Constitution. I’d guess there was a maximum of 32 Senators by 1797.
Nor is it listed among ET’s diaries in MyFDL.
~~~No, that was my mistake. My apologies.~~~
I’m seeing this:
(excerpt from “Treaty of Tripoli“)
It’s OK. Been gone eating dinner.
Again, I didn’t contest the removal and am not doing that here now.
OT– OK the radioactive orange Fiesta Ware (here and the sublink here [video]) is freaking me out, ET. The ancestors had that stuff and we ate off of it. They had a Geiger counter but not like the one in the video.
It’s obviously not ratified by the same people who wrote and adopted the US Constitution.
I personally don’t know that off the top of my head so I have to do go research and match the lists. If you’ve already done the research and have the links, that would be awesome as well.
A whole other part of my life I haven’t had many opportunities to share here. Part of my Edward Teller handle.
There don’t have to be gas chambers; apparently someone has thought of the “upgrade.” I’m having a very difficult time escaping that as a partial conclusion regarding Coulter’s off the Geiger counter scale of wilful, knowingly hateful and reckless representations (Glenn Smith posted about it today).
It’s the pumpkin hour. Oya, folks, and rest safe and well.
Benjamin Franklin died in 1790. That ought to be sufficient to tell you the lists are not the same. You can also check quickly that Hamilton and Madison were never Senators. So those 2 could not have been part of the ratification of the treaty.
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