It’s a given that Republican candidates for president must visit Israel and kiss Benjamin Netanyahu’s ring. Willard did it, so has Huck — who called Bebe “one of the world’s great leaders” — as has The Quitter just this week. And they always heap praise on the far-right Israeli Prime Minister, and sometimes take swipes at Obama.
And who is this man they’re siding with over their own country?
During Netanyahu’s first term as Prime Minister, in the late nineteen-nineties, I met with him in his office, in Jerusalem, and he fondly recalled how his father encountered David Ben Gurion, in 1956, not long after Israel captured the Sinai. Ben Gurion had vowed to keep the Sinai for a thousand years, but Benzion was convinced that he would lose it. Why? Ben Gurion asked.
“Because the U.S. will force you to,” the elder Netanyahu said.
“Of course, he was right, unfortunately,” the son said. “That was the first and last time an Israeli Prime Minister succumbed to an American diktat.”
“Succumbed to an American diktat.” That’s a rather strange way to talk about an ally, isn’t it?
It’s especially unfortunate coming from Bebe, since the word’s origins can be traced to Germany’s characterization of the Treaty of Versailles.
And Bebe’s old man is another charmer.
This ingrained wariness toward Israel’s most stalwart ally and benefactor is just part of Netanyahu’s inheritance. On that same trip to Israel, Benzion, who is now a hundred and one, invited me to his house for lunch, and I am not sure that I have ever heard more outrageously reactionary table talk. The disdain for Arabs, for Israeli liberals, for any Americans to the left of the neoconservatives was chilling.
Sounds like a racist to me. And since roughly 70% of the country is “to the left of the neoconservatives,” Papa Netanyahu seems to have an awful lot of contempt for the American people.
Like father, like son.



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Bebe the Butcher and Sharon the Slug.
Irun, the Stern Gang and Haganah writ large.
Fuck ‘em.
We are Bebe’s ATM machine. Nothing more.
The Israelis learned well from the Nazis. Both what to do & what not to do.
Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
Mayhaps to preempt the inevitable criers of “you’re anti-Semitic,” there was a time when anti-Semitic referred to people who didn’t like Jews. Today it refers to people the Jews don’t like or criticize the Israeli government and its actions. Oh, and the cry of “self defense” is bullshit too.
I wonder how much Netanyahu kicked in to pay for Rabin’s murder…
Speaking of Israel, what is the probability that today’s bus bombing in Jerusalem was a false flag.
Not to mention the fact that Arabs are semites.
Methinks AIPAC is not gonna become a founding member of the Lake. *g*
I was gonna save that for the inevitable bonehead.
It makes me sad that Israel has become what it now is. I was always a huge advocate but cannot condone what they are doing now and have done for a large number of years. And it is harming MY country as well.
You know me. The girl in the front row of every class, waving her raised hand wildly, saying “Call on me, call on me. I know the answer.” *g*
The day after Sharon was sworn into office he gathered thousands of Israeli police and military and marched on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, the third most sacred place in Islam. Prior to that obviously provocative move, Palestinians threw rocks at Israeli soldiers. After that Palestinians switched to explosives.
Bebe has simply carried on the Sharon legacy. Is it possible that to assure the continuing American economic support of Israel, a first-world country by the way, the Palestinians must continue to oppose Israeli rule and what better way to make that happen than to continue to make the lives of the majority of Palestinians a living hell.
Speaking of Sharon, is he still doing his vegetable imitation, or did he die without my noticing.
Unfortunately refugees to the Palestinian Mandate starting stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians soon after they were allowed to enter via the Balfour Declaration. Irun, the Stern Gang, etc. Thugs and killers. Even Ben Gurion envisioned an Israel from the Jordan River to the Med, free of Arabs.
Nope, they moved the Slug out of the hospital to his home a while back. Either that or they mummified him like Lenin.
I once figured that in the piece of geography now called Israel, prior to WWII, the Jews controlled it for something like 70 years in its thousands year history. That’s some land grant from god for his chosen people.
Mutual exclusivity not guaranteed.
Have the American PTB concluded that it’s easier to deal with one country in the ME rather than several? Is that why America continues its insane and rather lopsided relationship with Israel? No matter what agreement, treaty, or international law Israel ignores, the POTUS quickly comes to heel at Israel’s command. If America had invested as much time and energy into Iran or Egypt instead of Israel, after this many years, I think the middle east would be more stable than it is today…and I don’t necessarily think Israel would have been wiped from the face of the Earth either. Arabic hatred of Israel began when Israel started invading and slaughtering, started enacting legislation to intentionally marginalize the Palestinians. If America had not blindly supported that crap, and had sided with the Arab League instead, Israel would have come to heel to us, and would probably have behaved quite nicely with their geographic neighbors.
Back to work.
Namaste
That’s not the way I heard it…
Yep. That’s exactly the purpose. The Palestinians were being far too peaceful for Israel’s purposes.
Israel will prolly leave a few Palestinian shepherds & olive groves down in the valleys, as they provide such a nice pastoral scene for the Israelis to look down upon from their hill tops. That is, if you ignore the barbed wire.
There’s a lecture by Fisk that’s been playing on LinkTV the past month or two. One of the more interesting things he talks about is that he could never get a straight/consistent answer to the question of where exactly Israel’s eastern border is.
Bebe? STFU.
I wonder if the koch bros old man was the same as netanyahu’s old man?
I don’t think there’s any doubt that the current Israeli government will take this oppertunity to respond disproportionately against Hamas. If, once they’re done with that, it turns out that someone from the West Bank did it they’ll hit there as well.
I think Israel has come to the conclusion that the best path for peace on their terms is just short of exterminating the Palistinians. And since nobody is willing to stop them, that’s what they’re going to do. The next time they go into Gaza, no international pressure will stop them before they reach the sea.
Boxturtle (And they’ll do it with the support of 80+% of the population)
selise, who spent some time in West Bank helping to pick olives (don’t know the year), talks about Israel taking it over durham by durham. Not sure that is the right word, but it is a unit of land measurement that is small. That concept is also referred to in this interview, iirc.
Look at the planned route of the wall. That’ll tell you exactly where Israels eastern border will be.
Boxturtle (What, you think America is going to argue that?BawHaHa!)
Yep.
Wall can be moved. And not to make ‘Israel’ smaller
Selise is the real deal.
Glad to see this Talk of the Town piece highlighted, because I found it mighty darn interesting. A point made in the piece – with which I agree – is that Netanyahu seems just befuddled by all the commotion going on in his region.
Not quite the right guy for the times, methinks.
But very, very intriguing to see that item pop up in the New Yorker.
Is the world shifting on its axis…?
(The article didn’t comment on whether Netanyahu has any rights to claim the rich, cultural history of an entire religion and history, but it’s my view that his claims to represent that incredible history are not all that legitimate. He represents Likud, which is a different thing entirely.)
God forbid anyone write a positive piece on Israel anymore. In the past week or so, we’ve had the knifing to death by Palestinians of a Jewish family, including two small children and a baby on the West Bank, a seized boatload of Iranian arms headed to Gaza, Hamas rockets landing deep within Israel, and today a bombed bus stop. But according to the press, blogs, TYT, et al, Israel is basically to blame. Enough already.
Painfully ironic when some of the Chosen People decide to act like a Master Race.
Got that right.
Have you noticed she’s been back from time to time in recent days?
*waving to selise if she’s lurking*
Israel gets cash from us and in part because of that cash they get healthcare but we don’t! BT save the photos of every GOPer who goes to kiss Bibi’s ring then when they attack healthcare we ask if they think healthcare is such a waste of money then why did they they never bring this up to Bibi’s attention that Israel according to them is wasting American tax payer dollars on healthcare!
Extra bonus follow up ask if Israel uses that money for birth control and abortion.
The GOP will say American money is not used for that! We say they have the extra money for healthcare and abortions because we pay them. Money we give to Israel’s army frees up money for Israel to pay for abortions DUH!
Now can we get Jane on tv?
Exactly what would be the intellectual difference bet Chosen People & Master Race?
That’s pretty rude lumping millions of people into such a category. If they’re Nazis where are the gas chambers and the ovens ? Where are the concentration camps and the cattle cars? I think your maybe talking about the Pals and their leader the Mufi who spent the War in Berlin as the special guest of Der Fuhrer himself. Or Amadjedhid ( the Holocaust denier) the list is long on the Muslim side if your looking for ‘real’ Nazis.
Yup. That’s what the Israeli’s say, the wall is just for protection and has no relation to the final borders which will be decided in peace talks.
I’m thinking that wall will outlast the Great Wall of China and if it moves, it will be to the east not the west.
Boxturtle (Israel is in the position of strength and they know it)
netanyahu knows that he got more clout … thru israel’s proxy aipac … than any american president or politician … and the arrogant bastard can’t keep himself from flaunting it.
Z
Yes it is — kind of like expressing contempt for “Arabs.”
If you read my comment it said the Israelis learned what to do & what not to do. One of the things they learned not to do was quick exterminations, which seemed like a good idea at the time, but didn’t work out so well for the long run. So the Israelis are doing slow exterminations, but mainly expulsions, which have worked like a charm for over 60 years. There is a modest analogue to exterminations, which is Israel’s completely disproportionate response to being attacked by people with real grievances.
You do realize we’re talking about national policy here, and not each & every person in the country, and not even necessarily the majority of the people in the country.
Lest we forget about that wonderful, magical ring :
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/george-wills-irrepressible-conflict-with-facts/
And :
“America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.”
https://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkpoint-washington/2010/07/netanyahu_america_is_a_thing_y.html
One was the abuser the other the abusie carrying on the cycle of abuse?
Ding ding ding.
Reluctant to apply the psychology to individuals to govts for reasons I can’t articulate right now.
I’m not especially interested in how terrorists view the United States.
I guess murdering brown people isn’t as bad as murdering, you know, real people:
(emphasis mine)
A maximum of 24 years. For all of that? Seriously?
Does the United States still send foreign aid to Israel (aside from arming Israel with weapons of war)? If so, in all honesty–and not just to punish Israel for its policies–why?
OK I do think that sometimes governments do act like people but I have not thought when this thinking does and does not apply.
With early parole for good behavior, no doubt.
Wasilla does manage to make the news, doesn’t it. Strange.
Neither have I, which is why I’m reluctant to make such comparisons.
Israel, I believe, receives more monetary and military support from the US than any other nation.
Well, you said it yourself. Someone was guilty of being alive while brown, and Morlock (what an appropriate name!) had to do something about it.
Sure. To break it down:
Murder – 3@1 year each.
Conspiracy – 1@3years.
Illegal drug use- 1@18 years.
I would point out that he’s serving more time for his murders than Cheney will serve for his. So I guess we should be grateful.
Boxturtle (Of course, he’ll be out on his first parole date. If he doesn’t get pardoned first)
No. The story goes on to say he’ll be eligible for parole in 8 years. He’ll be out of prison by the time he’s thirty.
Yep. And I notice Pvt Eloi wasn’t involved.
Army cover up strange we don’t have a motive though? Cash, drugs just enjoys killing? Whatever the motive it won’t look good for the army. Strange the commanding officer wasn’t punished for well not keeping his troops under control.
Hasn’t yet shuffled off his mortal coil. When he does, I’m thinking straight to Hell… Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200 for his role in the Sabra refugee camp massacres.
Assuming there is a God/Shiva/Allah/Jehova/Flying Spaghetti Monster that wishes to hold him accountable for his crimes.
Corporate GOPers need to take down Sarah and the fundy wing of the party but the more Sarah goes down the more Michelle Bachman goes up.
There was a paragraph about how his weeping mother was saying what a “good boy” her son really is. Then she went on to blame everybody except her son. No, Mrs. Morlock. You raised a sociopath. I don’t know if it’s your fault but it’s the reality.
about 8 years ago…BiBi the YAHOO,came to Palm Beach to beg a friend of mine for money…teh down on his luck
oy another case for Dr. Frist…calling Dr. Frissssssssssssst
Pffft! They wouldn’t get much killing done without American dupes to finance them.
Here:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/03/22/libya-reminds-us-almost-no-one-in-washington-cares-about-deficits/#comment-142074
Thanks!
Not nearly enough. Israel is full of decent people who, unfortunately, are ruled by barbarians.
Is there something in the water in Wasilla (besides meth, I mean) that breeds these losers? (Edward Teller excluded, of course.)
LMAO! Dunno, I’ve never been to Wasilla and I’m sure as hell not going now.
Kinda like the United States….
The Koch brother who dropped out of the family business calls it “organized crime”
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/69…
Just what is this Koch Industries? Should it be called a “company?” If so we need to re-think the idea of what a company and a business is supposed to be. Even the brother of Koch Industries owners David and Charles Koch called the company an “organized crime” operation.
Koch money is a key driver of the conservative movement. Almost every conservative-movement rock you turn over has Koch money crawling around under it. As the movement becomes more and more of a pay-to-play operation, conservatives of every stripe do more and more to protect and enrich the Koch operation. This has included blocking, disrupting and avoiding official investigations of accusations. It also includes funding front groups to advance the political and financial interests of the company and its owners.
her best defense the Army made her son a killing machine. Not sure if thats true maybe her son was a nut before but the army does not want this story getting out. We should interview him if we can and get his side of the story.
Yeppurs.
Pick 1 country just one anyone that hasn’t abused someday or isn’t doing it right now. Why is Israel though the one you all pick is the question? Habit, maybe? I don’t see anyone in here obsessing over how we treat our Native Americans or how the Mexicans treat the Maya etc. No, it’s always endlessly the f* cking Jews. get over it. Israel is @ War and War sucks. We have 3 going right now against Arabs. Obsess on that awhile Cash and back off the Israelis for 5 mins.
the Nazi’s started off with a differentiation of civil rights between Germans and Jews, followed by forced displacement of Jews from businesses and lands, followed by ghettoes, followed by slave work camps, ending in the gas chambers and ovens. So the Israelis aren’t completely down the path to outright genocide yet, but they are certainly on the road to it.
At this point, with the massive Palestinian enclosures in Gaza and the West Bank that resemble Warsaw and Krakow in 1940, the Israeli’s are extremely similar to white South Africa during Apartheid.
His side of the story? What? “Why I decided to slaughter innocent civilians instead of doing my job”?
I answer to your question: AIPAC.
No. Now go away, troll.
I have exactly the same criticisms of the U.S. I have for Israel.
Many colonists (Puritans) thought of themselves as ‘chosen people,’ to pick just one example.
Nice one, Margaret. Jules Verne would be proud.
Israel is surrounded by barbarians. Everyone loves to talk a big game about how horrible Israel’s government is. I’d love to see how they’d deal with it if they were in a similar position.
Camp David Accord req U.S. aid to both Israel & Egypt. It was Carter’s bribe to get Sadat & Begin to sign.
Are we paying the Mexican government to suppress the Mayans?
I think you mean HG Wells. That’s who wrote The Time Machine.
crap… i meant HG Wells.
It’s sometimes easy to confuse the two. :)
At least you recognized the reference. I was pretty much in hte dark on that one.
What? Shame EDP!
Obviously we have deplored all of those things, as you well know because you’ve commented on those threads. Respectfully, I think perhaps it’s you who are using a bit of a double standard here. This man has done deplorable, downright evil things.
No disaster should be left unexploited.
It’s a little late for Remnick’s hand-wringing after he gave us Jeffrey Goldberg and the Iraq War.
The oppressed have become the oppressors! The oppressors have forgotten their history and their plight. Beni, STFU is correct!
It seems the “middle east” and N. Africa are having an “MLK,” moment? The people wants rights, want political participation, want liberty, democracy and a standard of living. Unfortunately the dictators and corporations who profit from this garbage do not want change, just as the segregationist/racist, benefited economically from the disenfranchisement of Americans who where not “white,” opposed civil rights legislation, or the American slave-owners dependent on the slave’s uncompensated expenditure of his energy, for the economic benefit of the slave-owner, who initiated a civil war in an attempt to continue the institution of slavery!
Arabs have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1948. Would you consider that a ‘differentiation of civil rights’ or attempted (thankfully failed) forced displacement? Let’s not forget that most of the ‘Palestinian Refugees’ left Israel willingly with the promise of the conquered Israeli’s land upon return. As for ghettos, Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt but Egypt balked. This week yet another shipment of arms was seized on it’s way into Gaza, while Hamas is still firing it’s rockets and bombing Israeli bus stops. But hey, let’s just falsely label Gaza a ‘ghetto’ created by Israel while never holding Gazans or the terrorist organization they elected accountable for the fact that they have backed themselves into a corner.
I noticed on the news that the Israelis don’t know who planted the bomb in the bus kiosk but AIPAC implies in it’s email that a Gazan terrorist did it. Gee, just like the good ol’ USA, if it’s a bomb it’s gotta be a Muslim.
This is actually a good point, despite the fact that I don’t know which three you’re referring to. I suspect you’re mixing up “Arab” and “Muslim”. But still a good point, if an unintentional. one.
It’s actually the only remaining defense one can make on behalf of Israel: people in glass houses….
Booga Booga! Give us money.
Nobody here supports our wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, either.
The Israeli government is just as disgustingly terroristic as our own. After all, they learned it from us. Or we learned it from them…
Shit, chicken or egg?
The IDF taught our military how to deal with Arabs.
Why don’t you cut out the fancy four-syllable words and just call them sand-n******? And you wonder why AQ call us Zionist Crusaders?
Because I’m not racist. I’m stating a fact, and referencing the poster’s reference to the ‘barbaric’ Israeli government.
“At this point, with the massive Palestinian enclosures in Gaza and the West Bank that resemble Warsaw and Krakow in 1940, the Israeli’s are extremely similar to white South Africa during Apartheid.” The absolute truth!
The oppressed have become the oppressors. The hatred of some of my friends towards the non Jewish citizens of Israel, is revolting. They are consummate fucking hypocrites, given historical fact!
Is that where the stripping them naked and beating them senseless while taking pictures before killing them comes from?
Any government that indiscriminately kills is barbaric.
Go troll somewhere else today, Jim. Defending our attack on Libya, now Israel? Let’s just defend the Khmer Rouge while we’re at it, shall we?
Your use of the word “Arabs” @94 is in fact, racist — and inaccurate, to boot. Iran, for example, is 2% Arab.
I imagine you would not care for the sentence that read, “Since 1948, the Jews have been invading and bombing their neighbors.”
I suppose the Nazis were just defending themselves, since those Jews and Gypsys were running all the businesses and corrupting the youth with their songs and their Jew-hats…
Indiscriminately? Indisciminate is Hamas firing tens of thousands of rockets at Israel or PLO members blowing themselves up on public transportation. When Hamas runs and hides in the civilian Gazan population (hospitals, schools, etc) and uses human shields, Israel is blamed for the civilian casualties. Sorry people feel the need to label the truth ‘trolling,’ seems quite ironic.
Arab is not racist. It has been the main thrust behind the attempted destruction of Israel. Iran is not an Arabic country, it’s Persian, but shares the same ideological bloodlust for the destruction of Israel. Israel has been attacked from all sides relentlessly, it’s a sad lie to claim they are the ones who historically initiate the attacks on their neighbors. In fact, Israel has given most of the land back which was seized due to being used to launch rockets. And the rockets keep coming.
The only thing sadder than the bigotry and vitriol in the article is the tone of the comments to it.
Yes, they did those things but Israelis are not reduced to poverty, having their homes torn down, their fields destroyed, and their children going hungry and without medicine. Israel had much promise and failed.
Well, Hamas and the PLO are not necessarily representative of the Palestinian people as a whole, or the surrounding countries, are they?
We were confining our discussion to the Israeli government. If you want to talk about the Palestinian government, please do so.
As for Arabs, do you draw the line of barbarism with just Arabs in the Arab world, or do you call your neighbors Barbarians, too? What about the Muslims in America?
The Palestinian people are so repressed. It’s disgusting. What Israel is doing borders on genocide.
Yes, well, the situation in Gaza is bad. But let’s not forget how it became that way. Gazans are hardly innocent and still have an anti-Israel terrorist organization governing them. Notice how none of the surrounding Arab states offer to help the Gazans (Palestinians), maybe give them some land. It’s more convenient to use Gaza as a tool to demonize Israel.
The publication of this article and its hatred towards Jews, and diatribe comments, together make me regret my $45 contribution to be an FDL founding member.
Never again, Jane.
Again, the ‘barbarian’ comment is in reference to a poster labeling Israels government ‘barbaric.’ I consider Israel’s neighbors barbarians, due to the way they have treated Israel. I don’t frankly care if they’re Arabs, Martians, or Mongolians. If you want to continue to try to paint me as a racist, I will no longer respond.
Amen.
I stand by that characterization.
In my book people whose land is occupied by a foreign invader are entitled to fight the occupier by any means necessary, and that includes people in lands occupied by the US. I may not like their methods but it’s not my land that was invaded nor my family that is being killed.
Why should Israel’s politicians have anything but contempt for our corrupt government and ignorant people? Israel uses its lobby in the United States to undermine American interests for its own malevolent purposes, and the vast majority of Americans are clueless about how the Israel lobby is a cancer in this country.
I’d like you to point to a comment that shows “hatred towards Jews” in general. If you can’t distinguish between governments and people you’ve no business in the discussion.
You are right about the bigotry and vitriol in the article–all of it coming from the Netanyahus.
This makes absolutely no sense. You admit you’re using an ethnic term incorrectly and then you erroneously call it “the main thrust behind the attempted destruction of Israel” (WTF?). It is not “the thrust” of anything. It’s an ethnicity.
So — to review, Persians aren’t technically Arabs — but they’re just like those damn Arabs!
Unreal.
I think I’ll start randomly interchanging the words “Jews” and “Israel” and “Likud”, just for kicks.
How does that sound to you?
Some people have a moral blind spot when it comes to supporting Israel. They are essentially racists who judge an action not according to any standard of right and wrong, but according to who does it.
You see, Southern, any criticism of Israel’s current government is ipso facto anti-Semitic.
Military tacticians study the Nazi’s Blitzkrieg as a model, constantly. In fact the Military Channel has many time run a documentary on the US military study of the Nazi’s Blitzkrieg, as it related to the first gulf war. They all study the Nazi mechanized military machine! Thank God for the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans during WWII. Otherwise the Germans and Japanese would have bombed Detroit, as the RAF and Allied forces bombed Germany’s ball bearing plants, railroads and coal gasification plants. The Allied forces bombed any and all infrastructure which enabled the Nazis to conduct war. Funny how that war pulled America out of depression. TO bad we cannot have a war on “Energy,” opposed to wars for stealing potential energy, oil. A war “on energy” might have positive results opposed the garbage we witness daily because of America’s lack of competition and choices concerning energy and it efficient use! BTW that documentary I referenced. The conclusion was the effectiveness of the blitzkrieg was a function of the logistical support of available potential energy. You might think America could have a huge strategic military advantage if all we needed to do was wipe out the ability of a “threat” to conduct war by killing its fuel supply. The US Military is well aware of this fact. It is our Achilles tendon, which if ever severed will be our “demise” as it was the Nazis! America can do much better! Instead we spend how much on Israel? Misplaced priorities for sure!
$45? You’ve got a ways to go, buddy. Buying off FDL for Israel may even be more expensive than buying off Congress.
Why stop now? South Central, Compton and Long Beach have black gangs. Is Los Angeles surrounded by Barbarians?
Lamest fuckin’ argument the apologists can come up with. When reason fails call anybody who disagrees anti-Semitic.
Gripes about me calling the Israeli govt barbarians then calls the Arabs barbarians en masse.
Next he’s gonna tell me about how he has Black Muslim Gay friends.
LOL…and a Hispanic grrlfren.
For those who have not seen it, here is the classic interview Amy Goodman did with Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister, in which she states calling people anti-semitic “is a trick we always use.” Also, the Jews use being victims of the Holocaust as justification for the way the Palestinians are treated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE
Ding ding ding!
Alan Dershowitz wore it out years ago with his use of the term against anybody who dared even whisper a criticism of the Israeli govt or its actions.
There seems to be a bit of confusion here. “Israel” and “Jewish” are not synonymous or interchangeable. I know Jewish people who deplore what Israel has become and I know Christians, Atheists and at least one Muslim who just adore everything Israel. Let’s keep some perspective folks. Criticizing Netanyahu for doing some of the things he’s doing is not antisemitic.
Shame on anyone who has never been called an anti-Semite by a Zionist. Such a person cannot be morally consistent.
That goes back to something I have previously posted. Israel doesn’t want peace; they want the entire ME one PIECE at a time.
Yeah. I mean you can’t really defend the indefensible, can you?
Heh. I was going to tell him “if you want to stop being painted as racist, try not hating billions of people based on their race.”
Maybe you should start your own blog, where 100 percent of the content will meet with your approval. Or you could just grow up and realize the world doesn’t revolve around you or your wishes.
That would work too.
It’s actually worse than that. It’s not even “Israel” — it’s “Israel’s current leadership/government.”
Excellent point or how I like to put it, “what Israel has become”. Hell I don’t like what American has become but that doesn’t make me a traitor.
Heh, better check with the Tea Party or the neocons about that.
M’eh. I have the same respect for their opinions as I do Netanyahu’s.
They lost their moral high ground ages ago.
Yep. Imagine someone calling us “anti-American” because we criticized Bush.
Oh wait, the same crowd does that, too.
Ding.
Sheeeeeeit, I think I’ve been called everything but a white man. Ooops, fuckno called me a Klansman right after his first appearance here. Never seen a brown-skinned Klansman.
Meanwhile, AIPAC fundraises off the Jerusalem bus attack. I wonder what our Netanyahu defenders would call that?
Looks like they beat feet. Couldn’t handle it.
They’ll be back in a couple of hours to call us some choice names long after we’ve left.
No bout adoubt it.
Hmm. Probably had some AIPAC conference to attend. Or a Libya thread somewhere to troll.
The megaphonie and his sock puppet.
Please provide a link to the announcement that a suspect has been apprehended.
{{{EDP}}}
My essay on why this particular country warrants scrutiny from Americans.
Were you telling the truth, it might be ironic, but much of what you wrote in #107 is not true, and if items such as “Hamas hiding in schools, hospitals” etc were true, the bombing of such schools because of that is still a war crime.
Well done.
Or anti-Christian if we criticized Sarah Palin. Oh, wait – that’s happened to me.
Thanks. It may need an update.
Yeah, if you don’t <3 Sarah, you don't <3 Jesus.
Well in my case that’s true though there is no causal relationship between the two.
Ding!
I’ve been procrastinating on joining the fdl club. Jim’s BS pushed me off my butt. I’ve just joined, partially because fdl front-paged Blue Texan’s piece. Strange, in a way, that Netanyahu evoked such a stern gang (pun intended) of defenders here.
Thanks, Edward!
Alright!
“This Land is Your Land” (Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings live at Amoeba Music)
Hamas does hide in hospitals and schools. They fire their rockets, then run and hide in the civilian population.
I have nothing to defend. The assertation was bias against Arabs in ‘barbaric’ Israel, I point out that there has been a ‘barbaric’ Arab bias toward Israel since 1948. Coordinated attacks from 6 or 7 countries at once on a single state counts as barbaric in my book.
I’m sorry that I wasn’t on earlier when this was going on. Thanks for putting some reason and argument out there everyone.
If Israel acted like a terrorist state, would the U.S.A. notice?
Once again, Jim – please provide a link to prove your assertion “In the past week or so, we’ve had the knifing to death by Palestinians of a Jewish family,” made in comment #33. From what I know, no person or people have been apprehended for that awful crime, yet somehow you know that the perps are “Palestinian.” May I ask how you know that? Maybe you should get in touch with the investigators. I can find their phone number for you, if you wish.
It was initially reported that it was assumed done by Palestinians, as this was a family of settlers. You have the same search engines I do, look at the news for yourself. What I usually encounter from people who cannot counter an argument as a whole is, they nit pick to find away to discount it wholesale. The ‘whole’ point being, Israel deals with plenty from Hamas, Hezzbolah, dealt with plenty from the PLO, is enforcing a blockade on Gaza for good reason (recently seized arms shipment) and has dealt with massive anti-Israel violence from day one. Yet this article demonizes Israel and it’s government in a typically nonsensical fashion. If you are still bent on needing proof of Palestinians committing that particular murder in order not to invalidate this argument, then it’s clear what your intentions are.
My purpose was not to invalidate that there is violence against Israelis. There is. My purpose was to observe that you appeared to have committed slander here, unless you know something I don’t, in which case you need to get in touch with the police investigating the crime and help them.