So, I just got back from a really awesome pro-war demonstration called “A Gathering of Eagles” where myself and thousands of liberals cheered on the President’s invasion of Libya, and I noticed something strange: there doesn’t seem to be much support on the right for this latest opportunity to bomb Arabs.
For instance, Glenn “More Rubble Less Trouble” Reynolds, who famously spent years cheering on our victory in Iraq while spoiling for war with Iran, is worried that Obama doesn’t have as much foreign policy experience as George W. Bush had when he started bombing.
If we had elected a more competent President, we’d have fewer worries. But people got excited about Obama, and, well, this is what you get when you elect an inexperienced guy with no great interest — or any experience — in international relations.
Meanwhile, David Brooks, who wrote passionately in support of doubling-down on the Iraq War in 2003,
It is our responsibility to recognize the dark realities of human nature, while still preserving our idealistic faith in a better Middle East.
…now seems strangely plagued with self-doubt.
Is the coalition trying to depose Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi? Are coalition forces trying to halt Qaddafi’s advances or weaken his government? Would the coalition allow Qaddafi to win so long as he didn’t massacre more civilians? Is it trying to create a partitioned Libya? Are we there to help the democratic tide across the region?
John Bolton, who never saw a war he didn’t like, warned of a new Afghanistan Iraq Vietnam.
Bolton warned that Obama is leading the U.S. into a potential “quagmire” by not making ousting Qaddafi a top military priority.
Such defeatism!
And at the National Review, which last year published an article titled, “How to Save the Obama Presidency: Bomb Iran,” Rich Lowry can’t quite muster the same enthusiasm for bombing Libya.
We can’t expect much good to come from the Libyan War, except the good we dare not mention — the long-overdue end of the lunatic, American-murdering rule of Colonel Qaddafi.
Why do right-wingers hate the troops?




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Strangely enough, neither Glenn Reynolds nor David Brooks nor John Bolton or Rich Lowry
served a day in the military. Hard to believe, I know.
Wolfowitz was on the teevee yesterday rubbing his hands…talking about the opportunity to “build a new Libya”…ahhh..the smell of Neocons in the morning…
Well one can only imagine that if you are from Texas you must love oil. Cheering an oil war, WTF, sick, sick, sick.
Just call my congressman Joe Pitts (Repig-PA) and demanded that he support the impeachment of war criminal Barack Obama.
Too bad these “dirty fucking hippies” aren’t going to be ignored in all the other shit they bitch about…
one_outer March 21st, 2011 at 6:39 am 3
Right-wingers in our midst.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/03/21/another-abu-ghraib-photos-of-army-kill-team-in-afghanistan-released/#comments
Try clicking that link…
Was Pam Geller givin’ John “The Moustache of Chickenhawkery” Bolton a hand job as he wrote that?
Wow, you really didn’t realize that was snark? The link to Malkin didn’t help?
It’s too much of a quagmire to try and delve into the thought process of your every day winger, let’s just bomb the fuck out of them like we do everyone else.
What is it that we call that, collateral damage?
/s
This was supposed to be for BT at 9. Sheesh
I know I’d rather spend time with the woman with the “Fuck War” shirt than Malkin any time.
BT…you’re such a wingnut…haha
Signed:
Lady Impoverished Intellect
Agreed.
This is gonna be my new T Shirt :D
p.s. do you mind posting your email addy again ? I saw you were no longer using Facebook on an earlier thread ‘k, thanks, bye :D
I sure hope BT never gets dementia. He’s read and taken in so much of that right wing tripe that he might turn into an old wingnut if his memories start getting all mixed up.
Because they have to pay for their benefits when they come back from injured, The right-wingers rather just discharge them from the military and let them deal with their injuries on their own and on THEIR OWN dime. Shit they did volunteer didn’t they? Shit these veterans who put Their lives at risk knew what they were doing. Didn’t they get first class training our the rights dime right?
Kucinich pushes to block funds for Libya intervention
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!
No I did not but then killing and murder is not where I find humour.
They’re now pissed because Obama seemed to let the French take point. But they sure as hell wanted France’s support for the invasion of Iraq. Remember the Freedom Fries fiasco when they refused it?
On the domestic front, American Zen‘s Mike Flannigan says, “It’s time for a Koch block.”
Laughter and crying are two sides of the same coin, hence the tragic-comedy. If you don’t let it out in some way or another, it’ll eat you from inside.
concurrently running meme – ‘Obama surrounds himself with wimmins (Rice, Power, Clinton)with icky bodily discharges which result in the “emotional response to Libya” ‘
Frank Gaffney made the mistake of repeating it on Jesus General’s twitter – hilarity ensues :D
If Bush got away with all of the horrors he pulled on his watch, I’ll give you three to one odds Obama is sleeping just fine at night.
Well, there are some heads exploding among the wingnuts. There’s that to be thankful for.
It’s fun to watch them twist themselves in knots, trying to find something to criticize.
He’s going too slow! He’s not Bush! He waited too long! He needs to send ground troops! Quagmire!
But what would Broder say?
Malkin “Us” versus “Them”.
Not sure why they get paid so much, such simple propaganda to spread to such willing participants.
Because what? Condisleeza had a secret penis?
Even funnier, all their criticisms are accurate.
Really? You think we should send ground troops and that Obama should be more like Bush?
lol !
Haha! WingnutHateFail.
a) They oppose anything Obama does, regardless.
b) It doesn’t contribute to defeating Iran.
I don’t know if they hate the troops, but you should take this opportunity for bi-partisanship.
I hope this works out in the sense that the rebels over-throw the Colonel, but it doesn’t seem at all well thought out. All the Colonel has to do to “win” is just stay in power. Even if he doesn’t attack the rebels any further. All he has to do is stick around.
After a few months, if he is still there, a point will be reached when no one will want to devote a ton of resources to sit around and watch the skies.
Then what happens?
If the rebels take him out of office, that would be a great thing, but who knows if that’s going to happen?
I think people of all sides of the aisle are skeptical of this deal. And, for good reason.
Being a curmudgeon I am imune.
Where are all of Obama’s personal ball-washers from yesterday?
Except the wingers are making shit up to be skeptical about as usual. Lying is their default position, even when they don’t have to.
Like missionary.
LMAO! Cruise Missile Liberals™ and PBWs™? Probably taking a break.
Why are they skeptical? Because as Juan Cole says it’s not Iraq:
http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/top-ten-ways-that-libya-2011-is-not-iraq-2003.html
Except for Larry Craig, Ted Haggard and any number of others. Then it’s wide stance.
Wide stance is the new missionary!
I typed too soon, without rereading them. Some of their criticisms are accurate, like the ones about not having experience.
I left Cole a comment about why it wasn’t Iraq in 1992. It hasn’t been cleared by his censors yet.
It’s easy to assume any criticism of Oilbama is accurate but you gotta look at the source in this case. If a Liberal said that the sun “rose” in the east, Republicans would poo-poo the science and insist that the Bible says otherwise and that is the ultimate arbiter.
Sure looks like Cole has got his pom-poms out…
I’m reminded of a broken clock…
LMAO! Or one with painted on hands.
Tide goes in, Tide goes it…
Syria is imploding…let’s go bombing!!!
What a funny world. Right wingers are opposing war, while lefties are championing it. And when the GOP gets back in power, the tables will turn again.
And the abiding truth is that very few people actually oppose war; or rather, most like war, because it makes money, and we are root and branch a society of war.
Not for me it isn’t. None of them has that military bearing…
No, no, no. We need to have a Republican in the White House to do that.
Really? Which lefties?
2011 Bombing Tour. Operation Rock Star Odyssey
Didn’t get the snark memo.
They got that covered.
OT: Reactor 3 up and running…supposedly..1 and 2..not so much..
Emotional responses to issues involve values.
Championing war might be a bit strong, but certainly supportive of the Libya action are Rachel, Ed, Kevin Drum and various people on this site, to name just a few.
And what happened to turning it over to the allies after a “few” days? What’s the plan?
Got any links? Because my impression is that the Democratic base — and most “lefties” — are not at all happy about Libya.
Rachel supports this? Her journey to the
darkcorporate side is now complete.Links aside BT, there were quite a few people on this site who were in support as recently as yesterday.
The current east-west theory is predicated on a Northern Hemisphere bias. In upside down world… well, you know.
Which people? Sorry, I’m not seeing it. I consume wait too many blogs and too much news and the majority of real lefties are pissed.
I guess we just have to laugh now whenever somebody says “elections have consequences.” Once again we’re in a war without explanation or exit strategy.
There were a 2 or 3 commenters on a Dday thread yesterday offering all the reasons why bombing Libya was a “good” thing
Mostly along the lines of “Qaddafi bad man must be restrained”
The presididn’t is spending his political line of credit, the very same one he’s raised the limit on umpteen times.
tanbark, Knoxville, mikediaz, others
That’s a snark from deep left field.
I’m only against it because IMO it’s unconstitutional for the President to do this without Congressional authorization.
Had Congress done it’s duty, I wouldn’t be opposed, and have said so here before. Guess I lose my left status, that’s ok with me, I take each issue and do the best I can using my principles and beliefs. I’m not going to support or oppose something merely because all of my other good lefty friends do.
I’d still be opposed, primarily because Congress and Oilbama are still claiming poverty when it comes to people here. I also oppose it on grounds that there are going to be far more Libyan civilians killed and maimed than military personnel. There always are.
I’d go one step further and say I’d be okay with it if Congress had approved a plan with a defined time-line and a source of payment cut from operations in Iraq or Afghanistan.
A solid plan with a method of payment approved legally would’ve made this okay, IMO.
Did you read Glenn’s take on it yet?
Spot on. Expect not so much mission creep as mission leap.
“Exterminate all the brutes…”
US Marines shot 6 Libyans while rescuring downed pilot.
Is it war now?
I’d have to up the ante a bit, and call for a solid plan to end Iraqi occupation, Afghan war, Pakistan incursion, Gitmo incarceration, and Constitutional circumvention. We need to clean up several messes before we creep into yet another one.
Those 6 were prolly terriss.
Spent. Long ago.
How many were 12 and under?
The whole world is awash in bad men that need to be restrained. That is not a sufficient cause to start lobbing bombs.
That’s a pretty damned misleading thing to type Kris. The headline is “US Marines Shot Six VILLAGERS While Rescuing Downed Pilot”, (emphasis mine) It goes on to say:
(emphasis mine)
Civilians…
Does anybody still want to know why I’ll never support this?
One of the worst “bad men” lives in the WH.
Which begs the question, if you’ve spent all your political capitol and no one will lend you any more, is it too soon to declare political bankruptcy?
Here is the link to Crilly’s original report.
Yeah. We killed 6 non-combatants while rescuing a pilot.
Where are Obama’s personal ball-washers now? Those folks that prattled for 400 comments yesterday about how galant this action is. Back under yer rocks? Got it.
My bad, I was typing from memory off the tweet I read and pasting a link. I hadn’t read the article yet.
Ask Scott Walker…
Ah! Thought that seemed a bit out of character for you.
They never do that, people just have to stop buying in.
If the civilians were trying to help the guy, and the helicopter blew them away acting on the assumption they were trying to hurt him, will we see or hear the video from the operation? Probably not.
So even our political system is a pyramid scheme? Damn, I never thought of it that way.
Given the opportunity, I’d rather ask him something else, not printable in polite company;-)
Nope. Even though the entire operation was sponsored by our tax dollars.
We just paid for a Crash/Fire Rescue team to kill 6 Libyan civilians. How does that make everyone feel?
Couldn’t agree more! It was a point I made continuously on yesterday’s DDay post referenced earlier in the comments. I made a choice to debate several who were posting with the theme of “Gaddafi’s bad; the rebels are “good;” bombing Libya now will absolutlely positively definitely for sure beyond a shadow of doubt *result* in ‘democracy & freedom’ for all Libyan small folks; and anyway, Team USA will ‘stop’ very very very very very soon & just leave the rebels to rebuild their country.”
These people *claimed* to be liberal, but they were very much in love with bombing Libya.
As I stated yesterday and today, I’m sick & tired of the brain-dead notion that Team USA *has to be* the Police of the World.
Team USA very carefully picks & choses which “evil dictator” to bomb based solely & only on the bottom line. The PTB could give a stuff about anything bad happening to serfs in other countries (for crying out loud, the PTB hate the serfs in the USA. Whyever would they suddenly find a “heart” to “care” about serfs somewhere eles????). It’s called: Get a Clue Time.
This is inevitable (of course) and disastrous (of course).
The Pentagon et. al. act as if they don’t know that modern warfare takes place among civilian populations.
It’s not the bloody fucking Middle Ages where they set up a battlefield outside of town …
Did they look brown and swarthy?/s
Yeah, we’re a bunch of heroes … /s
Interesting …
I’m glad to hear from BT that a “lot” on the left are pissed off and against this nasty little war with Libya.
I wouldn’t know it from some who tenanciously commented at FDL yesterday, plus I have some trad-Dem friends who are very vocally *defending* this very very expensive activity based on the notion that if it’s “D” Potus, then it’s “ok.” THAT is very frustrating.
I am consistent in being opposed to War, Inc in almost any case, no matter who happens to be in “charge” in Dee Cee.
Nobody hired/elected us for this *exceptional* role. I am so sick of it. I don’t see how it keeps self-perpetuating ad nauseum.
Oh, well, someone, somewhere, is always hollering to be rescued, I guess.
District of Charlatans or some such name isn’t it?
Our corporate-owned media does it’s d*mndest to “sanitize” War Inc so that US citizens start thinking of it a video game, where no one gets hurt.
Ever watched all those War Inc video “game” ads? Or seen a War Inc video game in operation??
Those posting yesterday were very “married” to the braindead notion that it was Team USA’s absolute duty to bomb Libya, and furthermore, Team USA – not France or Great Brit. – HAD to be the “leader.”
I don’t know if those people yesterday were trolls or sincere, but boyohboy it was MIC exceptionalism to the max.
I am so DONE with Team USA being the alleged Police of the World. As I’ve said several times now, IF the world wants that, then let other countries really PAY for it, not just ME.
Distict of Casinos?? You know: where the “house” always wins & the taxpayers always lose??
LOL. The election booths should be made to look like slot machines.
I wish! Then voters might *get a clue* about how they’re being played… over and over and over…
If rightwing
pinheadspundits are decrying the bombing of Libya, it’s not because, like a clock, they’re sometimes “accidentally correct.”It’s just part of the ongoing Kabuki Show. No surprises here, that’s for d*mn sure. It’s all part of David Koch/Rupert Murdoch/ElitesRUs’ giant Kabuki show to pit one segment of the serfs against the other segment of serfs… so that the *distraction* serves as cover for how badly they are ripping YOU and ME off, the taxpayer.
In reality, conservatives LOVE the bombing of Libya. CHA-CHING!!!! What’$ not to LOVE about ripping off the U$ taxpayer??? $eriou$ly.
Yep, Obama just doesn’t have Bush’s gift for strategery.
You have a better chance of winning at a slot machine.
Yeah, and even if you lose to a slot machine, you know you did it to yourself. Every time I think of what’s going on with the government, I feel like I’m being mugged.
This war just isn’t on a grand enough scale for that crowd. Beside, they probably consider it a distraction from the primary target.
May I amend your analogy to vending machine that won’t drop the Cheetos after you’ve dropped your money? Then you bang and shake it and still no Cheetos?
“We just paid for a Crash/Fire Rescue team to kill 6 Libyan civilians. How does that make everyone feel?”
Obama is getting better at killing civilians. Last time with Raymond Davis, he only got one innocent bystander run over. Give Obama time before he launches Operation Mylai to bomb a village of civilians in order to save them in his most humanitarian Nobel Peace Prize warfighting efforts.
Stirling was going to assassinate Qaddafi for us in ’68, but Nixon nixed the plan, saying Qaddafi was worth protecting since his national-socialist regime was “sufficiently anti-Marxist”. Then there was Reagan and Operation El Dorado. Then Lockerbie. Then Bush took him off the terror-watch list. Reich-wing instincts have been perfect so far. 0 for 4. And yes, like Bolton revealed, they really do want this, and to blame Obama for it is icing on the cake.
“These people *claimed* to be liberal, but they were very much in love with bombing Libya”
And just for sooner or later those same justifications that are used for non-Congressionally authorized bombing in Libya that is not an immediate threat to the US to then be used to go to war with Iran without Congressional authozation…maybe not by Obama, but he’s setting the precendent to go to war with Iran without even bothering to get authorization from Congress and even if Iran isn’t threatening us all at.
“Then Bush took him off the terror-watch list. Reich-wing instincts have been perfect so far. 0 for 4.”
You think before we started bombing Libya that Gaddafi should have been on the terrorist watch list? If it was wrong Bush taking Gaddafi off the terror list, isn’t it also wrong of Obama not putting Gaddafi back on the terror list?
That works, (or doesn’t work as the case may be).
Sure. Darfur would have been one good reason.
We pay because ‘they’ want to do this.
I think I know what you mean about the War Inc. ‘game’ ads. The marketing is everywhere.
I have mixed and confused feelings and opinions about what is going on in Libya and I think that’s a sane response.
The real problem is WE PROPPED up and PROMOTED Gadhafi for OUR OWN self-interests. And NOW we are all worried about the ‘little’ people? Riiiiight. How about the ‘little’ people dying elsewhere in similar circumstances with bad anti-democratic leaders (and worse) that we have also supported. It’s sick.