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And today’s wingnut “Libya is so awesome today because George W. Bush killed 250,000 Iraqis” take comes from a two-time Secretary of Defense and all-around great guy.
Totally, Don.
Because we all know that Gaddafi was this close — THIS CLOSE!!!1! — to developing a nuclear weapon (just like Saddam and Iran and Kim Jong Il and Charlie Sheen).
And furthermore, we all know that he gave up that bomb because George W. Bush landed on an aircraft carrier:
….as much as the Bush Administration would like to believe it, Gaddafi’s decision to come in from the cold was not simply a response to the war on terror and the U.S.’s toppling of Saddam and the Taliban regime in Afghanistan before that. In TIME interviews with key Libyan players, including three with Gaddafi going back before 9/11, it was clear that other important factors were also at work. Foremost among them was the collapse of the Soviet empire, which brought down Gaddafi’s once-powerful friends in capitals like Moscow, Prague and Bucharest.
Ah-ha! And who personally brought down the Soviet empire? Ronald Reagan. ‘Nuff said.
Another important factor was the rise of Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East, which resulted in extremist attacks in Libya and against Gaddafi personally.
Uh, what? Terrorists attacked Gaddafi? Can’t be right — all those A-rabs are in cahoots.
…Gaddafi was looking hard for a way out of Libya’s isolation, which was hurting its vital petroleum industry; in fact, U.S. oil companies were lobbying hard from the mid 1990s for a rehabilitation of Libya, in order to be there first in the upgrading of its aging oil infrastructure. As American and international sanctions were taking their toll and the stagnation was slowly killing Gadfhafi’s regime, he offered a major gesture, turning Libyan intelligence agents over for trial in the downing of of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.
a) Ronald Reagan won the Cold War;
b) ExxonMobil has awesome lobbyists, and;
c) George W. Bush wore a codpiece.
Mission accomplished!
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I’ll bet it was the cod piece…. He saw those huge AMERICAN bul-ges….
Gaddafi has nukes? I thought he gave up those shiny unpackaged nukes quite a few years ago.
Be.Still.My.Heart.
No doubt they are buried in the same pit as Saddam Hussein’s and Iran’s, and Syria’s….
Could we possibly work BP in here? Please…?
Kim’s got nukes. But Rummy should be in solitary in Quantico for crimes against humanity. Why does he get a speaking part to continue to dissemble? Or the mephitic Dick Cheney? Or George W. Bush. Bleah!
Oh! I forgot. Libya’s ARE Iraq’s nukes. The ones that SH got rid of before teh U.S. invasion, that traveled underground in Libya’s gigantic water system tunnels. (Forget that Saudi Arabia & Egypt are in the way.)
ReallY??? Wow! those are some loooooooooong ass tunnels.
I have to tell you….the very topic/thread has given me a headache. Can Rummy please go away? With Palin? With McCain? Why do some of these people have such a shelf life? At least Cheney is mostly off the stage…Please let Rummy bow out….
Not while he’s still got a desk at the Pentagon. The MIC: Too Big To Fail™.
These pasty-faced, Neo-con limp-dicks remind me of some rich old lady’s lap-dog. They just run around all day yapping and pissing on everything.
klynn just pointed out downstairs that Rumsfeld has an upcoming court appearance in a torture lawsuit.
What was so funny about that one was that it came from some Brit journalist, who got it from (a?) source(s?). I was a newbie at all this stuff at the time, and didn’t know about Libya’s very impressive water sys tunnels. (The country sits on top of a gigantic aquifer.) So I learned about that. But I also looked at a map & noticed there were a couple of countries in-between, so how did the WMDs get from Iraq to Libya.
There was a lot of shit going on around them. And I didn’t have anyone to talk to about it at the time. So I traced it down myself.
This transparently absurd horseshit from a far bigger and unapologetic mass murderer than Saddam and ‘Daffy combined.
Motherfucker should have his face ground into the radioactive dirt of Fallujah till his last vile breath.
Biggest murdering despot in the world today lives in the WH. I guess there is a NFZ over that.
i saw mushrooms all over Dee Cee,oops i mean Rice Whine
disagree BFevil empires got him beat…,had a head start in Germany at the gas chambers
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The re-writing of EXTREMELY RECENT history leaves me simply gobsmacked. I can understand trying to rewrite what happened 150 years ago, but 10? WTF???
So if Obama decapitates the Libyan leadership tonight in a cosmic coincident, is he going to look better than george climbing out of that cockpit.
Think of it as a floating fashion runway to celebrate our latest road kill nation.
Rummy runs Fox News Pentagon Propaganda Unit out of RumsfeldOffice Command and Control Center. Rummy also pulls Obama’s puppet strings from here.
Bosses Kissinger, Rummy, Cheney, Negroponte all still working and guiding the Obama Admin in pursuit of their New World Order agenda.
Heightened Security, Domestic Surveillance, Retroactive Immunity, Torture and Black Ops required.
oh from Bart Cop
booosh family evil empireBFEE
ill never forgive Rummy for Equal
I said today. O has (titular) control over U.S. military. W was term limited.
“At least Cheney is mostly off the stage”
Are you really sure he isn’t in his dungeon doing Libya tonight ?
Was the source a guy named “slider” ?
ya know when one has a belief in Eugenics(how Babs passed the muster i dont know)it is easy to slaughter on a grand scale….no?
I don’t remember what his name was, but I had some reason to think he might be credible enough to track it down, like he might have appeared on Brian Lehrer show on wnyc or sumptin like that.
History is written by the victors.
Fixed it for you.
oh effing GREAT!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134760219
That’s good enough for me then.
he who controls the present,controls the past………….oy
I highly recommend Gordon Duff at veteranstoday.com. Some of the things he says seem outlandish, almost beyond possibility, but remember to ask yourself how much money, human intelligence, access to the world’s and extraterrestrial secrets they have? Who knows what is going on? I challenge people to find error in his reporting. Wouldn’t things be so much easier if we followed the advice of our founding fathers to ensure transparency in government, ensure that the public is literate, and maintain a vigorous independent media that truly keeps us informed so the people can govern their democracy? Wouldn’t transparency clean up our government the fastest?
Anyway, Gordon Duff wrote an article based on his knowledge of being a Veteran of the military who knows about the capabilities of the military. It became knowledge that overnight Gaddafi was eliminating his opposition of democracy agitators with very strange weapons that were obliterated areas and everybody in them the size of three football fields, which made him believe that Gaddafi had been given brand new tactical nuclear weapons that do not leave nearly so much radiation as regular nuclear weapons. This could be the reason for why we had to take action. Rumsfeld slips up all the time. He has basically told us the whole story by accident. Go to Youtube and watch him confess about everything. Even Cheney too. I’m sure he did not want to let that one come out of his mouth the way it did.
Brent fossil Scocroft was called out with Meek Mikas dad on PBS the other night…………
No, not really….but all his machinery may not reach that far.
And, OT: I have been trying to reflect on a sexist outlook about how the way men mess up/ef-up, whatever phrase you use is so much more monumental than female errors. A simple conclusion of course in that women do not usually have the tools, power, resources, etc. But maybe there really is something different in the drive to power. I recall in a college class, a Prof finally saying how can I talk about war to all you women who will be mothers? Satirically to be sure….but what makes men so hell-bent on big guns, machines, defeat….just to wonder. Maybe our next leader could be a sane, wise woman.
iirc it was actually a “Billy Club”. You know projection of power…
RevBev,
As we know, men hold most positions of power. But I am cynical enough to believe that if power were more equally shared, women would prove to be equally bad. Sorry.
Not a sexist.
Suggested reading.
It was W’s “box”…
The Neocons are going to take total credit, rewrite history, and remain in control..fascism is so in these days..
Aha. I got it. So Gaddafi engineered Japan’s earthquake, tsunami, nuke meltdown with radiation leaks to hide the radiation from his own tactical nukes. Verrrry devious & clever man, that Gaddafi.
It all depends on which men and which women.
Nah…BP is getting ready to drill in Libya…it’s all about oil.
Taken as a lot, I think they’d pretty much be the same. Especially if driven from a position of power. Genitals do not confer any superiority, on way or the other. And I suppose it’d be sexist to argue otherwise.
I agree.
LS
I was still slack jawed. Good on ya.
Of course there are social norms. The way boys are raised, and girls are raised. I get it. But underneath that, in the human soul or spirit or anima, I don’t think there is one iota, not one jot nor tittle, of difference.
Ghadafi’s son attempts to play professional soccer probably had a lot more to do that situation than anyone in the West will ever admit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/3030426.stm
The kid wasn’t going to play for anybody in Europe as long as his immediate family were outlaws
Ghadafi cleans up his act, and the son gets signed in Italy’s Serie A.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saadi_al-Gaddafi
Okay, I’ve been paging through FDL, but I can’t find a post on the Der Spiegel story about the horrific actions of certain American military men in Afghanistan. Is it possible that you don’t know about it? I would rather think that than that you condone the cold-blooded murder-for-sport of civilians (including children), replete with “trophy photos” of American military men posing with their dead victims as if they were wild game they’d just shot. Please tell me you don’t know about this story and not that you are ignoring it because the CIC this time (unlike with Abu Ghraib) is Obama.
Keep looking.
Or it could be that you just didn’t look hard enough:
Another Abu Ghraib: Photos of Army “Kill Team” in Afghanistan Released (from FDL News Monday)
And you can always post a diary at MyFDL if you think a topic is not being provided enough coverage for your satisfaction