It only took America about two months to get sick of Republicans again.
…Republicans have lost ground in public trust to deal with both issues [economy, deficit], now trailing Obama by 12- and 9-point margins, respectively.
Preference for the Republicans on both those issues has declined by 11 points since December, a comedown from the sentiment that lifted the party to its midterm success. [...]
As recently as January, 42 percent of independents preferred the Republicans in Congress over Obama to handle the economy. Today just 29 percent say the same, and there’s been a rise in the number who volunteer that they don’t trust either side.
Part of this discontent is being driven by the fact that people aren’t buying the GOP’s “no tax increases for rich people ever” plan.
A substantial 64 percent say the best way to trim the deficit is with a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, rather than just cutting spending (31 percent, down 5 points from December) or only raising taxes (3 percent).
And we know they’re opposed to cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, education and Social Security.
Maybe we could have fewer wars?




143 Comments





Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
No matter. When the economy starts to tank again next fall, the Administration will once again propose tax cuts as the only thing they can get through Congress, and then brag the following year that they cut taxes (without of course mentioning the cuts in service that go with them).
Knights of the Wealth Table, the Republican agenda is to continue to give money to their Lord and Masters Big Oil, Big Pharma, and the Insurance Lords! This they do through subsidies, tax shelters, tax havens, tax cuts and tax breaks, while America and her children are left with the burden of shouldering the tax burden. Take from the people, the Knights of the Wealth Table laugh; let them bear the burdens while the Lords grow fat with wealth; We will fool them with saying America is broke, you must live on less, while the Lords live on more and more!
Because, you see, if you are not a billionaire, you will not get any representation from the Knights sitting at the Wealth Table of Big Money. These Knights of Big Money, care less that the People are the ones who pay their salaries and healthcare! But with large payouts from their real Masters, who needs the peoples’ money!
We are now finding out that some Republican legislators think that the Mentally sick should be placed in Siberia (something Stalin actually did) and that illegals should be shot down like pigs at the Mexican Boarder! We also learn that Haley Barbour’s social secretary makes insensitive Jokes about the heart-wrenching devastation in Japan, and had to resign! What kind of humanbeing could think that situation is funny?
It looks as if they are beginning to show their real and true Colors; Dark and Murky Lords everyone of them….
However, this is funny in a hypocritical sort of way; you know, with all those family values they preach — The media in Wisconsin went to interview one of the Republican State Senators and his wife said he no longer lived there but lived outside the District with his mistress; that their maid already signed papers for his recall and that she planned to do so too!
Check this out! – WI Repub lives outside district with mistress, says wife http://shar.es/3OtxB
Ya think?
I know it’s pie in the sky bullcrap, but imagine how few wars we’d have if we passed an amendment to the constitution that required tax rates return to Eisenhower levels whenever we’re involved in wars, declared or not.
Whew, bet the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan would be returned home so fast your head would spin.
A large number of Americans favor cutting spending until they see what spending would be cut. I have to worry that the large number favoring a tax increase will drop if specific taxes are mentioned.
Ya wanna kill the home interest deduction? Ya wanna raise the gas tax when prices are north of $3.50? Ya wanna raise the income tax below $100K? How about cutting the deduction for state and local taxes?
People are fine with taxes others pay. People are fine with cutting others benefits.
Boxturtle (We can only tax people who don’t vote and don’t make political contributions)
…Republicans have lost ground in public trust to deal with both issues [economy, deficit], now trailing Obama by 12- and 9-point margins, respectively.”
The country wanted change Jobs not tax cuts for the rich 8 years of Bush showed tax cuts don’t create jobs and tank the economy. 2 years of Obama shows tax cuts don’t create jobs in a bad economy but help wallstreet.
That’s why a tax on people making over $250K was so appealing. 99% of the people can agree with that since they’re not in that group.
Unfortunately, the 64% of Americans who favor tax increases to trim the deficit aren’t the ones that Republicans and Democrats give a shit about.
There is no serious discussion of cutting the debt without ending both wars if we can’t do that we will settle on tax increases on the rich getting richer on wallstreet.
Why do they keep on polling the “little people”
But…if we don’t tax the rich people, and allow them to keep all their money, they’ll trickle that money down and create zillions of jobs. And then everyone will live happily ever after. Won’t that be special?
I bet ending both wars is more popular than tax increases on the rich to prove my previous comment:)
Buncha no count, socialistic, un-American, cheeto eating, fascist, dirty fucking hippies…
/everybody in DC
Americans get told they’re a conservative country so much, they forget they’re a liberal country.
They just want to cut spending when it comes to brown people. REAL Americans deserve that spending….
Well sure but the jobs created are in China. Which then steals our tech and creates competing products:)
I’m all in favor of putting everything on the table, but keep in mind that you could cut the entire defense budget and barely cut the annual deficit in half. Until we put entitlements on the table, we wont really make a dent here.
Except those who think they’re gonna hit Powerball or their invention will make them billionaires or… Pretty much the thesis behind What’s the Matter with Kansas?
Yeah, but that’s the group that donates the most money to the politicians. Can’t tax them, for goondess sakes!
Boxturtle (If I suggested a tax on illegal immigration, I bet I could get it to pass the House)
I can relate to the socialistic dirty fuckin’ hippie part.
We can still count on the Democrats to oppose tax increases on the super-rich and “only” support 90 percent of the cuts the Republicans do. That will show us how moderate they are.
Tax the rich. They never provided the jobs they “promised” if they only got their tax cuts. Tax them or put them on trial.
I can also relate to the cheeto eating part. Just had some with my sandwich in fact.
Hope you’re not putting Social Security into that “entitlement” bugaboo. SS doesn’t come out of the budget. We pay for it out of our pockets not general tax revenue. You can label the FICA withholding whatever you like, payroll tax, etc, it still goes directly to SS.
Don’t forget all those kids that have dreams of being millionaire athletes. All one has to do in the U.S. to become filthy rich is apply themselves./s
Actually, they want us to THINK we’re only cutting spending on non-whites. Southern strategy, remember? They’ve trained the rednecks to think that government spending only goes to minorities.
Boxturtle (All welfare queens are black, doncha know)
Then think revenue stream. Tax the rich.
Yep. And the people who created TARP were absolute morons to not attach strings to that money and then here comes Obama and kept the program exactly the same as it had been written by the Bushies. Once again, it’s important to throw dollars at rich people. “Shared sacrifice” means the bottom 90%. Then the intrepid media says, “See? 90% of the people are being hit so that’s fair”.
OK Soc. Sec has absolutely nothing to do with the debt. nada, nil, zero. Also Soc.Sec. could be enriched considerably by removing the discriminatory cap of $106,000. As for Medicare (as, I assume, the other entitlement) if there was a single payer or national health care that issue would be off the table as corporations would no longer have that as an excuse for not hiring and there would therefor be higher employment, more money going around, more money to spend and, incidentally more income to tax and therefore higher revenues and less need to cut other programs.
Which is why they give birth to ungulates when their street lights go out, or it takes twenty minutes for the fire trucks to reach their homes, etc.
Conservatives just don’t have the neurons to do the math.
Have I mentioned lately how much I despise the U.S. corporate media?
Back to work.
Namaste
Please educate yourself on the subject – see the link and this excerpt. Bottom line is that you and I pay for it one way or the other and if it is not a problem today, it will be very soon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997468/ns/politics/
Last year — partly due to high unemployment and the aging of the population — Social Security taxes collected (nearly $640 billion) were less than the benefits paid out (more than $701 billion). The system had a “negative net cash flow.”
According to the latest Social Security trustees report, about 14 years from now, the interest earned on the bonds won’t be sufficient to cover the annual difference between benefits and tax revenues.
At that point, the trust funds will be drawn down — the bonds will be cashed in — until the bonds are gone in 2037. If Congress does nothing before 2037, benefits would need to be cut by 22 percent to keep the system in balance.
That depends on how much you increase taxes. Let’s return them to Richard Nixon levels, and then run the numbers.
Troll infestation.
Yeah, never want to hear the truth, do you?
You should educate yourself, the social security act FORBIDS, BY LAW, social security from adding one penny to the deficit.
Social security never has and never will contribute to the deficit.
You’re changing the subject. Your comment @17 seemed to imply that “entitlements” had to be considered to reduce the “deficit”. Since the deficit under discussion on this thread is the general revenue deficit and not the hypothetical, future SSI deficit, SouthernDragon’s comment is spot on and you aren’t nearly fast enough to get away with that.
The name is enough to tell the story. Scroll, baby, scroll.
Please mr, mrs or ms troll read this
LMAO (now), and
I had to think about this, because I though “have a cow man” meant “eat one”.
We all need to become millionaires or billionaires… and we need a plan on how to do it.
Then how about starting with eliminating the cap on SS withholding? Why don’t the idiots in the MSM put that at the top of their talking points? Not exactly brain surgery to figure that one out…
I like Ike Eisenhower tax levels.
Operor non nutritor everto.
Me too. And, just more evidence to the already reams of evidence that the right wing trickle down theory does NOT work and is complete bullshit, our economy grew and maintained a healthy middle class with those tax rates.
LMAO! I think giving birth to one would be more dramatic.
The Fed has a plan, print money.
What is required is the reduce the ratio of wealth. This requires punitive estate and progressive income taxes.
Illud Latine dici non potest.
I’m waiting for the rapture. If only the righteous go to heaven, then it doesn’t matter that I’m an atheist and I get raptured up. If it’s only the Sunday “Christians” that will go, (as they seem to think), I stay behind and get all of their stuff. It’s a win-win.
I’d settle for Raygunz-era.
I’m OK to consider raising the cap and I’m OK with changing the tax structure to elimnate loopholes. But I think cost cuts outside of the defense budget should be on the table as well. There is a TON if waste in government, and it does not all fall under DoD. And I firmly believe that more people (as in lower income levels) should pay a share of the taxes.
Why are you all so afraid of that, that you stoop to name calling?
Now, lest I be accused of hijacking this thread, I’ll leave. You can all go back to the mutual inbred masturbation that comes from only seconding your own suggestions.
I just hope they leave their bank cards behind :)
I volunteered, at a lower income level, to pay more taxes last year. I emailed the White House. I said “I’ll gladly pay a tax increase if you let the Bush Tax Cuts expire.”
They didn’t listen.
Specifically?
Not to mention their PINs!
He’s right. There is a lot of redundancy in programs.
However, all of that redundancy creates jobs. We don’t really have a spending problem. We have a revenue problem. The jobs are necessary for America. The tax breaks and loopholes given to corporations and the rich are not.
Except the “waste” and administration costs of SSI and medicare together are in the single digits as a percentage of their entire budgets. The DoD can’t come close to saying that. Let’s start where the waste is, before we start cutting where it is not.
God, you’re makling this too easy. I’ll have to stop looking at this site, or it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
But OK, here’s one for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud
The total amount of Medicare fraud is difficult to track, because not all fraud is detected and not all suspicious claims turn out to be fraudulent. According to the Office of Management and Budget, Medicare “improper payments” were $47.9 billion in 2010, but some of these payments later turned out to be valid.[1] The Congressional Budget Office estimates that total Medicare spending was $528 billion in 2010[2], so this gives a very rough estimate of about 9% waste.
The Medicare program is a target for fraud because it is based on the “honor system” of billing. It was originally set-up to help honest doctors who helped the needy with medical services. There are few safeguards to eliminate false claims.[citation needed] In fact, claims are paid automatically because the goal of Medicare is not to root out false claims, but to pay claims quickly and smoothly.
Who has called you a name? Specifically I mean?
I agree with the statement that there is a lot of waste in government, and it’s not all in DoD. But I think if you eliminated all of the waste and abuse in government (something that’s impossible btw, any endeavor by human beings is always going to be imperfect) you wouldn’t put near the dent on the deficit that raising taxes and/or ending the two unnecessary wars would.
As far as lower level income people paying taxes, they do. Just because they don’t pay the same kinds of taxes as the rich doesn’t mean they don’t pay them. In fact, I’d bet there are many lower income folks that paid more in taxes as a percentage of their income than many rich folks did.
I paid a higher percentage than any hedge fund manager :-|
The Department of Agriculture awarded the University of New Hampshire $700,000 this year investigating methane gas emissions from dairy cows.
Methane gas emissions from livestock contribute more to atmospheric pollution than all cars on the road.
What percent or even how many dollars of the $49.8 billion was found to be “legitimate”. Your 9% is assuming the whole figure. But regaining the % that was fraudulant is going to be a lot more expensive that cutting, say, $50 billion form the defense budget slated to be close to $800 billion this year.
Ah but doncha know? The tax cuts haven’t been in place long enough to actually provide those jobs! /s
This could take a while.
Also, IIRC, the FY 2010 defense budget was something like $670 Billion. One of the biggest contributors to our annual deficit is the interest on outstanding debt. We are currently paying nearly $500 billion a year on that IIRC (might be remembering that wrong). I read somewhere (and can’t remember where, so no link, sorry) that by 2019 it’s estimated that annual interest on the debt will be $700 Billion. That’s more than we spent on the entire DoD in 2010.
Congressional Pensions
Good, I feel less guilty about driving.
It’s the cows fault.
Which is something like 0.00005% of the defense budget. Cutting 700,000 dollars is irrelevant.
link?
LOL.
Now we can just feel guilty about eating.
From Wisconsin, that Progressive state
Sure, intentionally miss my point.
so maybe you can tell me why Rick Scott isn’t in jail then.
We all know Reagan raised taxes 11 times and George I at least once. (Norquist explains away how come his idol, Reagan, committed the cardinal sin of raising taxes with the excuse that Reagan was duped by Democrats who promised to enact legislation that would, in essence, put $3 into the pocket of each of us so the $1 extracted by the Reagan tax increase would be a no-brainer – and then reneged on their promise. Apparently the great Reagan was duped 11 times? Got to be a record in dupery.)
The fact is of course that the end goal of Republicans is forcing the down-sizing of the government by starving it to death so any influx of income (tax increases) is obviously counterproductive to their goal.
So not true. I wish that’s all it was:
U.S. spends $1.2 trillion on defense per year these days. In addition to DOD budget, you have to add in the nuke program, which is in the Energy Dept, and the VA, which is not in the DOD. There are some other large pieces not in DOD also but I’ve forgotten them. Oh yes, a bunch are in Homeland Security. And of course, some portion of interest on debt belongs to defense.
Not if you use specifics rather than generalities, try it, it’s fun.
Because he’s a denizen of Grimy Gulch. Galt Gulch? Garbonzo Gulch? I can never remember…
Well, I was going by the DoD budget. I was aware there were other monies outside the DoD budget that was spent on defense, but boy I wasn’t aware it was that much, enough to double the DoD budget. Wow. Thanks for the info.
What? No link? Well, here’s one:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700091352/Sen-Judd-Gregg-celebrated-at-UNH-for-years-of-earmarks.html
“I’d bet there are many lower income folks that paid more in taxes as a percentage of their income than many rich folks did”
If fact that is quite true,lower income people pay more in total taxes because they tend to spend most if not all of their earnings. This is especially true in states that have sales taxes
Owe ya a drink. Whatcher poison?
Sacred ungulate.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-tom-coburn-criticizes-wasteful-government-programs-2010/story?id=12437190
But as Margaret pointed out, it’s irrevelant.
Just Coca~Cola today, thanks. :)
You’re not factoring in the revenue the CIA is generating from its drug smuggling operation.
But then again, little of that is reaching the US Treasury, one would assume.
Sacrum Ungulatomorpha?
Pepsi sliding down the bar.
Why not defense? I could find a few hundred billion without even breathing hard…
Righto. That just gets used to finance black ops.
Holy crap, I thought it was about $800Bl. And then there is this
please people! I don’t know Latin LOL
Because that wouldn’t be
sharedpoor people sacrifice.“Sacred Cow” Or technically I suppose “Sacred cow” would be “Sacrum Bovinae primigenius taurus” but who wants to type that out?
I now know what an ungulate is though
Good one.
That one I got
Me either.
Loved the money quote:
“For the record, Coburn says the blame for most of this lies not with the White House, but with Congress. What’s needed, he says, is for the President to fight Congress to stop these programs.”
Shorter Tom Coburn: “Stop me before I spend again!”
And into the pockets of the bosses.
What a stud.
I say we bring back the WAR TAX….and it only affect those making more than $250,000 per year.
Heh.
Doesn’t he remind you of those guys in the sixties used car commercials?
“Come on down to Crazy Eddie’s Used Car Emporium, where the deals are going craaaaazzzzy all day long! How about this beauty for only 2999.99? I must be INSANE to make a deal like that…..”
Oh well, I guess if he ever leaves the Senate.
“A substantial 64 percent say the best way to trim the deficit is with a combination of spending cuts and tax increases …”
This might be relavent if anybody was actually listening.
I have some hope that maybe just maybe the public has finally caught on to the BS the right is trying to pull.
When it’s your spending that gets cut it’s suddenly a big problem.
I wonder though, if the tractor parades and marching cows will fade from the publics memory,and if any of the protest will have the effects we hope for.
I don’t think the good folks in WI are gonna let this fade from anybody’s memory. They’re hawt and ready to rock ‘n roll.
King Rick I made his money from Medicare fraud. That $70M he spent on his campaign came from his company defrauding Medicare. He’s the only one not held to account for the fraud. Folks in FL are not letting him forget it, either.
Yeah , I hope you’re right and let’s hope it spreads. Yahoo!
I make about 40K a year, but I paid significantly more in taxes (actual dollar amount, mind you, not percentage of income) than Bank of America and General Electric did combined. I believe that more corporations should pay a fair share of the taxes instead, especially since they turn such a tidy profit.
Here’s your boycott list.
http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?page_id=979
Don’t support these guys.
But you are lying through your teeth. SS if nothing is done(like eliminate the wage tax cap) is solvent until 2037… So you think MSNBC is telling it like it is… Besides all that money belongs to the people not to the USG. The Feds have borrowed trillions and owe SS all that money back. Gee get your facts straight!!
Tax rates at Eisenhower levels and see just how fast the country gets back on it’s feet… But of course becoming that would mean taxing your paymaters at a higher rate OMFG can’t do that!!
I made about $16,000 last year…all unemployment compensation which is now expired and I paid more than both BofA and GE combined too. “Shared sacrifice” my broke ass…
This is “nice,” but wasn’t it also around 65% of the “little people” who favored something akin to a Public Option with what was laughingly called “Health Care Reform”? And how did that go??? Just asking…. inquiring minds need to know…. or: I’ll believe what I see.
You’re wasting your time. When confronted with facts, becomingjohngalt runs away faster than Ted Haggard confronted with his wife and children.
No kidding. I’m sure that I pay much more – proportionately – in my state & fed income taxes than many of the super wealthy do. And I’m sure that I pay much more in real ca$h money in my state & fed income taxes than most so-called “Small Corporations” do.
It’s just corporations doing 3 Card Monte games, but the libertarians think that’s great: let the Free Market be Free… to rip us all off without any redress or limits. Thanks for nothing!
The operative word being “us”, never “them”. I’m sure they never feel a thing.
As do most of these libertarian bots. Their talking points just don’t hold up to scrutiny very well.
The same is true of all the money taken in the form of income tax, at Eisenhower or any other levels, no?
Well Libertarians live in some Galt-utopia of their minds, which no one else – who lives in reality – actually experiences.
So those Libertarians are being just as much ripped off by the 3 Card Monte & Ponzi schemes of corporations/WallSt/Banks/Elites as YOU & I are… it’s just that “small people” Libertarians have somehow been convinced/brainwashed that they’re not being ground under & FOOLED along with the rest of us proles. All I can say is: more FOOL them.
All they have to lose is the chains that bind them and the blinders that blind them.
That’s weak. With the exception of an income tax refund you’re not gonna get any of that money back that the govt spent on warz for the last 10 years. When I hit 70 in a couple years I’m gonna get some back, prolly more than I put in if I live long enough.
How true. I only SS and I have to pay taxes and it was way more than those guys paid at $0.00… How is that any where fair??
True but then we could use all that money to pay for the things the People want like health care, infrastructure, education and on and on. Eliminate all loop holes and have ALL Corporations pay income tax on their gross profit.. No deductions at all for them. They are in the business of making money let their bean counters figure out how! But MAKE them all pay on all their income including all that money they currently “Keep Off Shore”{.
Implementing Medicare for all should have been a no brainer, especially given the state of the economy, unemployment, and the budget deficit. The amount of taxable disposable income it would have freed up would have lifted us immediately out of recession, and with a budget surplus due to more revenue and reduced Medicare costs. But, why fix a national problem when you can take care of and protect the profitts of the wealthiest 1% of the country?
It could also be argued you made more money than BOA or GE combined…. Business can lose money
Bwahahahahaha!
You make funnee!
Maybe if they weren’t paying out million dollar bonuses, you might have a point.
I’m looking at it from a shareholder perspective, if a company doesn’t make money, it shouldn’t have to pay taxes. Sure they can try to increase their tax liability by doing X Y Z, but why would anyone try to increase their tax liability?
You are truly naive if you actually think BoA and GE lost money. All you have to do is check their quarterly reports and calls with the business media to see where they brag about how they made money.
Which is different from their tax returns which have a myriad of ways to book that income to avoid taxes.
Oh ya, and individuals can’t lose money…
I’m really disappointed by the quality of the trolls lately. Its like they aren’t even trying.
I don’t think they are libertarian. A real libertarian would jump all over cutting defense spending for our illegal wars. They might want to cut taxes in general but they’d also cut our massive government subsidies to business.
It may be a small qualification, but I think its important. Its like distinguishing between a conservative and a neo con. Probably not going to agree with either of them but you might be able to get along with one of them. I have a friend who’s a “traditional” conservative who I get along quite well with. Its the difference between someone you think is misguided versus downright evil.
The “libertarians” we get here would scream bloody murder if we suggested cutting the defense budget or monies for law enforcement. I don’t think I’ve ever met a true libertarian but I know a lot of ill informed fakes.
Now, if there were candidates who would admit the same, we’d be set to go.
I get a tax increase every day I drive into a gas station to put gas in my car. Now I am not blaming anyone for this but it seems to me that the big fat cats should be pulling their weight as well. Especially the windfall profits that are coming to Exxon Shell etc. Just wait to see what their proftis from this quater are going to be. Really some one needs to grab Grover Norquest by the scruff of the neck tell him to shut up. What a little punk he is.
Won’t have fewer wars as long as war is profitable. So much of the military is privatized, and those guys don’t want to give up the game. As long as we incentivise war, we will have war. Need to get rid of the privateers, if we must have a military, have it entirely American government, no privateers, no Blackwaters.
Any middle class American who favors a tax increase to lower the deficit is a fool. Where is their resentment?
Aren’t they sick and tired of always getting hit up to make up for the massive gap in tax revenue left by corporations and the wealthy? Don’t they understand that many of these draconian cuts are because the rich kept their tax cuts? Crissakes!
Besides, screw the deficit. The US is flush with hundreds of billions of dollars for things that make the rich richer. What bullshit.
Social Security and Medicaid fraud is a speck of sand compared to the Wall St fraud that continues unabated to this day.
Speaking of parades, if the gov’t had to parade all it’s soldiers and trucks & other hardware before the public on main street, then the public would really see how much they’re buying. I’ll bet the fantasy of a few reserve trucks and jeeps that they’re seeing in the parades would quickly dissolve into outrage. Of course, it would be very hard to put the sheer size of the ‘defense’ establishment on parade.
Shocking! It’s a bit long for a bumper sticker, but it does make a point.
Our huge world-dominant corporations must be soooo poor. /s
Is Medicare solvent or does it borrow from the general revenue fund?