Susan Retik and Patti Quigley, upper middle class, pregnant New England soccer moms lost their husbands in 9/11. Introduced by mutual friends, they formed a fast friendship and through their conversations realized that they could make a difference for other widows: The war widows in Afghanistan, women whose lives were far worse than their own because of poverty and injustice. That inspired a fund-raising bike ride from Ground Zero in New York to Boston and eventually a life altering trip to Afghanistan to meet the women whose lives they directly impacted.
Murphy balances scenes of Susan and Patti’s life and their coping with their children and the organization they founded, Beyond 9/11, against interviews with Afghan widows describing their lives and their understanding of the events of September 11, 2001.
As Susan points out, none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan though they trained there. And yet Afghanistan has been the focus of a current and escalating war, and ongoing wars over decades, which have left an estimated 500,000 widows (and their children) in abject poverty; the income of family without a husband drops from an average of $46 a month to $16 a month, not enough to cover the cost of food, school and shelter, creating a cycle of poverty where violence and terrorism can flourish.
The funds raised by Patti and Susan go to buy chickens, egg incubators, and chicken feed so that the women can sell eggs and chickens to support their families. Inspired by aid workers, notably Clementina Cantoni of CARE International, Patti and Susan explore the idea of leaving their families for over a week to travel to Kabul, struggling with their fears, only to learn Cantoni has been kidnapped.
Cantoni‘s safe release –spurred in part by protests from Afghani widows– reignites their plans for travel. Over the months, their lives have changed: Susan has a boyfriend and Patti is struggling to define herself as more than a 9/11 widow. Their trip to Kabul further changes how they view the world as they meet a victim of an American rocket attack and see how the funds they have raised are positively impacting the widows there.
Beyond Belief shows how two ordinary women become extraordinary by dealing with their unimaginable sorrow, and how by stepping beyond their own grief they have transformed the lives of hundreds of women and children and made a hopeful step towards rectifying great wrongs which left them and thousands of women widowed.



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Hello Beth and welcome to Firedoglake Movie Night. And thank you all for being here tonight!
My pleasure!
HI Beth, thanks fo rbeing here. What a GREAT movie!
maybe OT but anyone know anything about this 3rd explosion at the nuke plant?
Thank you so much. It’s hard to believe our first filming happened in the summer of 2004. With the 10th anniversary of 9/11 this year, I’ve been working hard on a campaign that will help share Susan and Patti’s message of tolerance and cross-cultural understanding.
Beth, how did you find out about Susan and Patti?
And we received some exciting news today. The Massachusetts Council on Humanities is funding an initiative we have to get the film into the hands of teachers and students. Columbia University Teachers College wrote a curriculum/study guide for the film, and we’ll be using this grant money to run professional development workshops for teachers.
I’m Chair of the Board for the Int’l Institute of New England, an organization that helps immigrants and refugees (based on Boston). It was through that work that I became connected to the local Afghan community and learned about what Susan and Patti were doing.
beth that’s awesome. This is such an great film because it can inspire students, moms, seniors–all people to make an effort and change things for the better.
Beth, how did Patti and Susan learn about CARE International? To be honest, this was the first time the NGO had come into my consciousness…
You just ignore requests?;)
They knew they wanted to specifically help widows and their children in Afghanistan, and so they sought out organizations that had programs addressing their needs. They didn’t want to recreate the wheel, so to speak.
exactly. And creating self suffiency is important
Beyond the 11th (www.beyondthe11th.org) is the organization they founded, and in addition to supporting programs by CARE Int’l, they also help fund other humanitarian work. An exciting new program they’re funding is to train widows as skilled birth attendants (it’s run by Mountain2Mountain).
The chicken project is awesome, a really smart way to help the women
THAT is fabulous, as I am sur ein many areas there is little or no access to medical care.
How are the men in these women’s communities reacting ot the widows’ new found economic strength?
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In addition to chickens, they now provide calves for the women. What’s great about the chicken program is that it’s something that widows can do from their homes. It is very difficult for widows to leave their homes, never-mind work outside their homes. The chicken eggs can be sold and eaten – providing income and sustenance.
I saw the request and thought I deleted that, sorry folks
Susan was recently commended by the White Houuse for her work, and Patti has continued in a different venue to aid the widows…?
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Lisa: Wow! What a multilayered story!
The skilled birth attendant program helps so many segments of society. Because the widows have a skill, their status is elevated, and they are now able to support their families financially. It also helps mothers and babies – which is critical in Afghanistan, a country with the highest infant mortality rate and second highest maternal mortality rate.
Are there any textile projects for the women, and re: schooling for their kids are both the girls and boys in school?
Susan was awarded the Presidential Citizen’s Medal in August 2009 after someone who saw the film nominated her! It’s an enormous source of pride. This award is the second highest award an American civilian can receive, and I’m so proud of the hard work and compassion that allowed Susan to achieve it.
You can read more about the award (and watch the video!) here:
http://principlepictures.blogspot.com/2010/08/susan-retik-honored-by-president-obama.html
Beth tell us a bit about your company Principle Films…
The Beyond the 11th organization supports widows and their children at various levels – the chicken-rearing enterprise is aimed at women who have the least education and skill-set and are the poorest of the poor. But Susan wants to also help women receive training and even start their own businesses. To do that, she provides funding to other NGOs like ARZU and Women for Women International.
I so totally love the chicken and eggs. Helping people to help themselves. Bless both of you for lighting a candle. You are good humans. Good mothers. Good stewards.
Maybe I missed this but, assuming it’s a theatrical film, what’s the release schedule?
Principle Pictures is the company I started more than 10 years ago after working in radio and TV news. I’m committed to using the voice we have through media to amplify voices like Susan’s and Patti’s. We spend years working on our projects, and it’s important to me to care passionately about the story we’re telling and the people we’re introducing to viewers. I respect investigative journalism, and think there is enormous value to stories in which the director has an adversarial relationship with her subjects – but those aren’t the stories I’m interested in telling.
BEYOND BELIEF is a feature-length film, and we had a limited theatrical release in NYC and Boston. The film has since aired on the Sundance Channel.
Beyond Beleif is on DVD and available through Netflix and Ironweed Film Club
I enjoy telling stories about people who inspire me, and it’s my hope that they inspire others.
Website – http://www.principlepictures.com/beyondbelief/index.html
Beth, what were your impressions traveling in Afghanistan. And were you concerned, given Clementina Carboni’s kidnapping a year earlier?
Do you think your experience here now that the filming and editing is over and all is different than if you had been here during the experience of filming?
I guess my question is how has time and space changed your experience?
I’ve traveled to Afghanistan several times, and it’s a place where you can never really feel safe. That’s a given. Clementina’s kidnapping was a terrible shock – and we were so happy when she was released after about a month in captivity. We do our best with security – we dress appropriately, and keep a low profile by traveling with a small crew in local vehicles.
A big change for me is that I was not a mother when I traveled to Afghanistan for this filming. I was unable to relate to Susan and Patti in that way at that time. Now that I’m Isabelle’s mom, I feel an even greater connection to Susan and Patti and their mission.
Motherhood does change one’s experience. Lucky girl.
On edit: Both of you.
One of the most powerful images was the widows protesting clementina’s kidnapping and asking for her release. Definitely they had been empowered
I also appreciated how each of the women grew through their experiences as widows and came to redefine themselves, showing that life does go on in a good way if we allow it, even in the face of hideous tragedy
Sometimes we never know what and who we can be. Just ask Job.
It certainly does! I’m currently writing a book focused on lessons I’ve learned from people I’ve met during filming… lessons I’d like to share with Isabelle. Susan and Patti are, of course, included!
How many women are being impacted now by Beyond 9/11?
Good for you. How wonderful. Maybe you’ll be back on a Fig Interview.
((Lisa)) Thank you for bringing these wonderful woman to our attention.
That was an incredible moment – the widows Clementina had been helping through her work – rose up and protested her kidnapping. It’s hard to image here, in a society where protests are commonplace, and anyone could participate. But in Afghanistan, widows are expected to be unseen, unheard. It was remarkable.
You know what? Considering that is a site owned and run by a woman, I’d like to see more Woman’s Issues threads. One doesn’t have to be a mother to understand the importance of that role.
It was also remarkable that so many woemn were willing to speak to you on camera. And sad too that they were unclear about what 9/11 was– and uplifting to see how little anger they felt towards America despite their losses. It seems like very family in Afghanistan has lost at least one memebr to the war.
This is something that I think about all the time – the idea of post-traumatic growth. At it’s most basic level it’s the resilience of the human spirit to make something good out of something bad.
There is no one in Afghanistan who isn’t touched in some personal way to the tragedies that define 40 years of war. Absolutely every single person we met had a story – the question isn’t Do they have a story? It’s – How horrific is the story?
Not saying that we should ask for something bad to happen, but sometimes it does take a tragedy for us to reach deep and find our strength.
Beth, Thank you for this great film. The image I remember the most is the happiness, the new power these women (in Afghanistan) have by making their own money. Control of their lives.
Beth, you mentioned school-how has this film been received with in various religious communities? Are (some) churches getting behind it?
Hi Beth, sounds like a truly inspiring movie.
I have loved every second of working on this film. Thank you. Economic independence is something that the widows I met never could have imagined. Women in Afghanistan lose everything when their husbands died. There is no life insurance. All property goes to the husband’s family. If a widow remarries, she must leave her children with her in-laws. With financial independence comes power.
We’ve shown the film in mosques, synagogues and churches – always with a wonderful response. I don’t hammer people over the head with this in the film, but — Susan is Jewish, Patti is Catholic, and the women in Afghanistan are Muslim. The message is there: we are more alike than we are different. As part of our 10th anniversary of 9/11 outreach, we are working with national faith-based groups to plan interfaith events in communities across the U.S.
Jeffrey Sachs goes into this in depth in “An End to Poverty,” that by economically empowering women the world comes more into balance–with economic strength comes the ability to control one’s body: Women aren’t forced to marry and have kids because they can now earn a living. Economic strength is a natural form of birth control, and helps to as well to build an economic base in Third Wolrd contires. It creates opportunities for education, if not for the women earning, for their children if they have them–as in the case of Afghan widows: Beyond Belief explains that by selling 15-25 eggs a week, a widow can meet the expenses of her children. that is huge!.
Educating girls in developing countries is seen as the number one way to lift women and countries out of poverty. Educating girls and helping to make women financially independent helps communities, not individuals. And education is key to the programs that Beyond the 11th supports. For example, a rug weaving program run by ARZU that Susan supports makes participating women sign a contract: there can be no child labor, all the children must go to school, and the whole family gets healthcare. In a country with the highest infant mortality rate – it says something that women participating in this program have never lost a child.
Afghanistan has the potential to be a growth nation with an education populatin able to work in service industries or manufacturing (though goodness knows we have ENOUGH STUFF already). But there is definitely the potential there for women to make their mark. IF the war can stop.
Is the film available on Netflix?
It’s true- the potential is enormous. Here’s a manufacturing story I think you’ll like. Susan is supporting a program in which widows make soccer balls. Her son Ben is an avid soccer player (just like his dad, David, who was killed on 9/11). Ben and some of his soccer buddies started an organization that buys the soccer balls made by Afghan widows and distributes them to kids in Haiti.
WOW! Simply wow. that is great.
Amazing, another generation giving back. Have you seen this in the other children of Susan and Patti?
The soccer balls the Afghan widows stitch are beginning to be exported under the brand Dosti. (The Dosti Soccer tagline is: PEACE Play it Forward http://www.dostisoccer.com/) . To date, this project employs 633 illiterate Afghan women and is run by another great organization – BPeace.
Beth, along with supporting Beyond Belief during the 10 year recognition of 9/11, what other projects are you working on?
The kids are all still very young – Ben is the oldest at 13. There is a kindness and generosity of spirit that they all have that no doubt will be used for doing good in our world.
I am in post-production on THE LIST. For the past 3 years we’ve been following the story of Kirk Johnson who led reconstruction teams for the U.S. government in Iraq. He returned home only to discover that his Iraqi friends and colleagues were being killed, kidnapped or forced into exile by radical militias… all because they worked for America trying to help rebuild their country. They’re now branded as “traitors” and “collaborators with the enemy” – and targeted for death. He starts keeping a list of Iraqis who are in danger,and one-by-one tries to get them to safety. The film is his story, combined with those of the Iraqis on his list. THE LIST will be finished in June and will air on PBS in the fall/winter.
I just want ot quickly mention that next wweek’;s film is DYLAN REVEALED, a retrospective about Bob Dylan, wiht director Joel Gilbert. The film come sout on DVD May 1.
We’re also in production on WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS. Filming for this is being done in a conservative Afghan village, where an all girls’ school—the first in the village—is challenging centuries of conservative social tradition. this film is very much an outgrowth of BEYOND BELIEF, as Patti is the executive director of the organization that runs this all-girls’ school.
When WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS is ready we’d love to have you and Patti on if possible! And thank yo for being here tonight, for making Beyond Belief and please thank Susan and Patti for us as well for being such awesome ladies!
Thank you so much for having me, Lisa – I’ve enjoyed our conversation, and would love to come back!
And thanks Firepups for not feeding the earlier troll and for being such a great group always, and for joing FDL’s membership drive.
And now back to the unscheduled nuclear explosions.
Be safe and be well, live gracefully and strongly.
Thank you for coming Beth. Congratulations Beth et al on this development with the MCH! And thank you to Lisa for being the host of this Movie Night.
I got to see an early preview of Beyond Belief, and the only part of your review with which I would disagree is that you refer to Susan Retik and Patti Quigley as “ordinary women”.
Nothing ordinary about them or their story.
The new educational DVD with added special features is available here:
http://www.principlepictures.com/beyondbelief/educationaldvd.htm