It is unsettling to watch as hard-right politicians, acting with the assistance of weak-willed Democrats, exploit Great Recession fears to undo progressive reforms that lifted the country out of the Great Depression. But even more troubling is what might be called the War on Thinking.
The War on Thinking is fought on many fronts by a diverse army of selfish elites and bitter, know-nothing Palinites. The entire American advertising industry and the mediasphere it paid for are implicated. Thoughtful people don’t buy pet rocks, a perfect symbol of American consumer products.
Advocates for “elite democracy” (read: plutocracy) like author and federal Judge Richard Posner believe true popular democracy is dangerous. Most people, they hold, are too stupid to deal democratically with complex issues.
Posner is a useful poster child for an elite that wants to run off with country, but only because he’s unusually honest. In his book, Law, Pragmatism and Democracy, Posner writes:
Few citizens have the formidable intellectual and moral capacities (let alone the time) required for the role that [popular democracy] assigns to the citizenry.
Judge Posner’s words go a long way toward explaining why he approved of anti-democratic voter suppression laws in Indiana. Still, these elites are uncertain enough about their cynical assessment of us that they’ve launched what amounts to a decades-long campaign to make us stupid.
Supply lines for the War on Thinking stretch back to a distrust of intelligence that’s long been part of the Anglo-American Way. Back in 1915, Columbia professor John Erskine wrote:
The disposition to consider intelligence a peril is an old Anglo-Saxon inheritance… Here is the casual assumption that a choice must be made between goodness and intelligence; that stupidity is first cousin to moral conduct, and cleverness the first step into mischief; that reason and God are not on good terms with each other; that the mind and the heart are rival buckets in the well of truth, inexorably balanced–full mind, starved heart–stout heart, weak head.
Erskine illustrated his point with a verse by the English clergyman-poet Charles Kingsley.
Be good, sweet maid, and let who will be clever.
Erskine was the influential teacher of 20th Century cultural critic Lionel Trilling. In his essay, “Reality in America,” Trilling wrote:
…with us it is always too late for mind, yet never too late for honest stupidity; always a little too late for understanding, never too late for righteous, bewildered wrath; always too late for thought, never too late for naïve moralizing.
Is there a paragraph that better describes today’s media/political circumstances? Trilling was, no doubt, a literary aristocrat, but he argued for broad democratic intelligence. He held liberals and conservatives equally responsible for the spread of stupidity. He criticized thoughtless progressive melodrama (Dreiser) as quickly as he dismissed the totalizing, simple-minded cultural myth-making of fascists and communists.
So what we have today is a perfect storm of stupidity, a culture already skeptical of the merits of intelligence under assault by an elite/know-nothing alliance.
The current attacks on public education are an example. The Right simply doesn’t believe in it. It was those over-educated know-it-alls that brought us integration, after all. Then there are the education privatizers who are making a fortune (in tax dollars!) with their public school vouchers and fake university schemes. I suppose it’s true that you can leave no child behind if you don’t let any go anywhere.
I was a child of Sputnik. While that event’s impact on actual American innovation is often overestimated, it is a fact that fears of a Cold War intelligence gap with the Soviet Union temporarily overcame our native skepticism of learning. It was hip to learn, and that perhaps was one of the few temporary land bridges across the gulf that separated ‘60s rebels and their parents.
The demand for an educated work force led to broad business support for education, and that support lasted for decades. During education funding debates of the 1980s, my pro-education boss, Texas Democratic Lt. Gov. Bill Hobby, had no trouble getting business leaders to the Capitol to demand increases in education funding, even if it meant they’d pay higher taxes.
The globalized economy has ended all that, as Paul Krugman explained the other day:
…technological progress is actually reducing the demand for highly educated workers.
Business leaders aren’t coming to the defense of education because they do just fine finding workers overseas where they don’t have to pay taxes to educate them. And, they won’t have all those educated smarty-pants challenging growing corporate hegemony.
In such a circumstance, the educated become an enemy. They are not so easily fooled. So, we drop the Sputnik narrative and return to the old Anglo-American convenient untruth that intelligence is the enemy of the good.
This brings us to Elaine Scarry’s new book, Thinking in an Emergency, published as part of Amnesty International’s Global Ethics Series. Scarry speaks of the perpetual emergencies perpetrated by states to manipulate publics and undermine democracy (see Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine. Scarry extends Klein’s argument, however.
Noting that emergencies are often used to suspend thinking in favor of quick action, Scarry writes that thought and deliberation are even more critical in emergencies, and that this need is recognized in many institutional practices around the world. Instead of relying on the theoretical, however, Scarry uses four real-world examples to make the point.
Her first example is cardio-pulmonary resuscitation (CPR). Built into it is “…a deep knowledge about the number of times a minute the heart must pump…The acts, far from being thoughtless, are thought-laden…” Moreover, CPR training is intended to make such an automatic habit of the practice that more room is left for thinking through immediate emergency circumstances.
Scarry then mentions mutual aid contracts among dispersed communities in Canada. Such a contract: “requires the community to think through a starkly specific set of questions about the tools required [in an emergency]. Once again, the practices facilitate more, not less thought.
Her third example is doubly damning of the U.S. She speaks of the Swiss’ well-thought-out nuclear shelter system, an egalitarian system built to save all segments of its population. In contrast, the U.S. spends only on exclusive arrangements to save its president and other elites while spending nothing to save the general public. Immoral as they are, I can’t say American elites haven’t thought this through.
Lastly, Scarry mentions the constitutional brakes on war, such as provisions that delegate to Congress the exclusive right to declare war. What these provisions demand is thought. They intentionally call for careful deliberation, anything but thoughtless, knee-jerk action.
It is thought that’s allowed humankind to survive, and identifiable selfish interests are systematically eradicating that collective ability. It’s no coincidence that our failure to address the global climate crisis is accompanied by a War on Thinking that eliminates this magnificent ability bequeathed to us by our evolution on Earth.




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Good Sunday Morning Glenn…
Good morning, nahant. Always good to be here with The Thinking Resistance to the War on Thinking.
Glenn, this is a really good post. As long as teachers have to “teach to the test” children will never learn to think. It’s been many years since I had children in school but it seems to me that teachers are actually restrained from allowing free-flowing thinking. I don’t have a clue about how to fix the problem but I think we had better make a stab at it.
Thanks.
I was 10 when sputnik went up and will never forget it and the uproar it caused and how the country seemed to double down on education… Remember the ads against Communism where the kids has chains around his head to control his thinking? And then it Stated “We Can’t afford to waste a single mind” or something like that…
Now these duplicitous Right wants to destroy ALL public schools for all the kids. Oh except for those who can afford to send their kids to private School. They started with cutting funding now they are cutting Teachers… Ya wanna talk about stupid?? They are very short sighted because as is happening not only are they killing schools they are destroying the teachers RIGHTS. They want nothing but docile workers who will be on bended knee to management 24/7.
There is nothing worse than losing even one child/mind and the Right is bent on doing it.. All in the name of making government smaller..
All this just disgusts me to no end. How will our country ever be the same if we don’t educate each and every citizen. The Founding fathers knew that and spoke about it at length:
More here
Global Population is exploding. There is no capacity for all the people. No jobs, no function, no lifestyle. Great suffering and misery await. Instead of confronting the issue, Religion and religious and political leaders call for more breeding!
Thinkers are shunned. People on tv and radio who have the power to lead others to action do not. They are governed by their corporate overlords. They are self-censored by the fear of losing their great income.
Gloria Steinem said that Conservatives want to control production and reproduction. This is the truth.
Bill Maher disagreed. He said that Conservatives simply don’t want other people to have sex.
See how Maher refused to acknowlege the truth that Steinem revealed?
Maher has the power to tell people to call their Congressional Representatives. He could tell people to question their clergy.
Instead, he falls short of doing anything about the Social crises he mocks. He doesn’t want to end up like Olbermann.
If he told people to raise hell, he would get fired.
Notoriously, Texas State School Board member David Bradly spoke of teaching critical thinking as “gobbledygook.” He means it. The authoritarian right doesn’t want thinkers, it wants obedient followers.
Good Morning Glenn and all. On New years Eve I lamented the death of the American Intellect on my Facebook wall. (Crickets)
One of the most potent weapons in the de-education of America was the introduction of 15 second TV commercials. As I remember it happened in the late sixties or early seventies, but long term it destroyed our collective attention span.
Meant as reply to Twain @3.
Was a science major before I switched to economics. Have been very distressed to see the antiscience bias bloom in past decade (or longer).
The other thing I’ll mention is that people are incapable of forecasting. My job was short-run econ forecasting. My most successful competitor, Ed Hyman, would never tell clients anything until it was already occurring, at which point the clients would think: That Ed Hyman is sooo smart. That’s just what I was thinking myself.
As for me, who took my job seriously, when I tried to tell them something in advance, no matter how obvious it was like that the dot-com bubble would burst, they would look at me like I had 2 heads.
Longer-term forecasting is, of course, even worse, which results in things like building nuke plants on top of earthquake-tsunami zones.
Posner is one nasty piece of work, IMO.
Yes, the goal seems to be pour the data into our unconscious without leaving time or pause for thought. It’s the mega-doctrine of preemption (and preemptive war means not so much to preempt the perceived enemy, but to preempt any thinking before going to war.
Advocates for “elite democracy” (read: plutocracy) like author and federal Judge Richard Posner believe true popular democracy is dangerous.
Unfortunately it isn’t just Posner. Within the Democratic Party plenty feel this way too. Durine the 1940s and 1950s Democratic intellectuals like Hofstadter, Daniel Bell, Arthur Schlesinger, and other wwarned about the dangers of populism, progressivism, radicalism, and militant unionism, and all of these were purged from the party. Their ideal was rule by experts and representative democracy through one or more layers of intermediate organizations (e.g. tame unions or the NAACP). The anti -democratic tradition goes back to Walter Lippmann and many New Republic liberals as far back as WWI. I recommend Christopher Lasch: “The New Radicalism in America” and “The Agony of the American Left”, as well as everything else he wrote.
Very timely post Mr. Smith.
The elites are right now thinking about how to stop all of us from thinking too much about the dangers inherent to nuclear power.
I wish I could be more optimistic, but as someone who lived through, and benefitted from the post-sputnik education surge, I can hardly believe how effective the War on Thinking has been.
You’re right. People can forecast so long as the “forecast” conforms to existing bias. In other words, confirming forecasts are fine. Go against the grain, however, and it’s hard to be heard.
Sadly true. As I said, Posner’s a good poster child because he is so explicit.
I was talking with a scientist friend of mine last night (physicist) and we got onto the topic of science education in Texas. The summary is we both agreed the fundies are winning the fight. :(
I have been thinking lately about the role played by the weak-willed Democrats, as you said. Too many accept the idea that education and other public functions serve no purpose beyond meeting the needs of corporations (i.e the market), and that businesses are by definition well functioning while government is by definition malfunctioning. Better to say that than to admit what it means: your concerns do not matter. The present assault on union rights is also an broad based assault on public education. For both, I fear that those at the top of the party will seek to redirect the energies of newly activated people towards electing more Democrats, which is, in and of itself, no solution at all.
RE: Posner. Anyone who thinks the purpose of rape laws is to ensure the efficient distribution of sex is not really in a position to talk about the limits of the intellectual capabilities of other people. He may well be brilliant, but it matters not when he professes incredibly stupid things.
The only time an econ forecast is worth anything is when the economy is reaching a turning point. Which means the only valuable forecasts (assuming they are accurate, but that’s a different subject) are the ones that are going against the grain.
Ho hum, another Sunday, another excellent post by Glenn.
Kind of strange that on Sundays’ you can find thought provoking, intellectual analysis on a member supported web blog, but could watch all of our nation’s top television networks, shows, and anchors and get nothing but huge doses of stupid.
I so weep for this once great country.
Well said, Glenn.
I’ve always wondered how much of a farce the online “universities” were, your link (at “education privatizers”) provides this interesting quote:
I have seen TV ads for online K-12 classes that are apparently being funded through the local public schools. Looks like kids will be worse off and profits will be made. The oligarchs must be loving it.
God I’m old I remember when e called Palinites Philistines:)
The anti Democratic traditions go back to and are inspired by Plato.
That’s the subject that concerns me – science. We cannot move forward if we don’t have sound, educated people in all the sciences. The PRB don’t seem to know that they will need educated slaves to produce their medicines, build their palaces, and engineer their roads. Stupid.
The odd thing about Posner is how well-liked he is personally by otherwise bright, engaged people. Lawrence Lessig, for instance, who I believe clerked for him.
Historians, if there are any educated historians in the future, will paint the assault on public education as a dark, dark moment. Historically, many progressives have always been plagued by an elitist, paternal, approach. You are right.
Maybe Palinstines would be better!
Strauss at the University of Chicago probably inspired by Plato created that line of thought.
OT: P J Crowley resigns, per CNN. h/t Glenn Greenwald”
The MOTU want worker ants, not thinkers.
I like it and if Sarah runs for President you created a WORD:)
“weak willed Democrats”
I hope you (and Glenn) realize that’s not the ONLY possibility. Instead of weak willed, there are many of us that have looked at all of the evidence available and concluded that they’re not weak willed, they’re complicit.
Most traditions were anti-democratic, though, until relatively recently. Democracy is mostly a 19th century thing.
BINGO!!!
How many of us at FDL predicted that one.
There is no inherent danger with building Nuclear Power Plants near fault lines.
OTOH, Solar Energy is very dangerous. There is not a good way to dispose of the arsenic in the solar panels.
Also, too, a fatass conservative could bump his head on a solar panel while on rare foot maneuvers.
That is to say – when he isn’t engaged in his more frequent pasttime – sitting in his Japanese V8 SUV in a parking lot with the engine idling and the A/C blasting. (This is his God-given right and his non-negotiable lifestyle.)
“Children come to school thinking the world is their oyster and that anything is possible, and then every year we essentially limit their vision by teaching them how to narrow their thinking.” Molnar Szakacs, UCLA neuroscientist
But…Intelligent Design is making progress every day…
Apparently the new suburban pastime is starting up your SUV from the remote inside the house and letting it idle in the driveway until it heats up (north in the winter) or cools down (anywhere the weather is hot).
This is a badge of honor for Crowley…
Great quote!
Few Elites know what it takes to run a business most come from either inherited wealth or like Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin etc rely on saying the right thing to the right people to get wealth.
Never mind the Elite rarely learn crap about practical stuff like what happens to concrete when itsexposed to salt water as I mentioned last thread.
As far as morals are concerned the power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely (Lord Action) an elite not checked by the common people will act in the their self serving interest like any parasite that eats not caring about its host.
Some Parasites/disease eat/kill so fast they kill the host before they can find a new host. Thats the America we live in now.
The war on thinking might be better called lies my parasite told me about why why he was killing me.
You have to write that book!
I do.
I don’t know about Lessig clerking for Posner but I recall reading an Op Ed he wrote in
Pravdathe New York Times shortly before the Bush-Gore decision came down that he had clerked for Scalia. The thrust of the piece was that he was confident that his former boss and colleagues would not let their personal politics enter into the decision. A week or so after the decision he had another Op Ed on the topic of disillusionment.Thanks but the FDL commentors have already written that one I just am good with titles:) Maybe Jane can cull our comments for a book like that.
They want them young. With strong backs and weak minds. They want them to die early.
As someone whose identity I don’t recall wrote, “What intelligent designer would locate the entertainment center right next to the garbage disposal system?”
Sounds like Paul Krugman.
The worst thing, is knowing that you know
and knowing, you can do nothing about it
Concerning the themes of 1] the need for thinking in emergencies; 2] the over reliance on technical progress; and, 3] stupidity – this seemed to capture all three.
The effing plugs didn’t fit!
Methinks everybody but the trolls, who are part of the great unthinking mass.
Kucinich, possibly trying to make up for his HCR vote, has ‘em fired up in WI.
No war but class war.
Never. Give. Up.
My god, the plugs didn’t fit. Words fail me…
the more complicated a system the more likely failure will occur
and they want to build more of these things?
My bold Things Come Undone:)
Apparently the new suburban pastime is starting up your SUV from the remote inside the house and letting it idle in the driveway until it heats up (north in the winter) or cools down (anywhere the weather is hot).
And we wonder why gas is heading to $4 a gallon?/s
heh…
I’ll look for the article the quote came from but been a while. I also enjoy your writings. Thanks
George Carlin.
nope it is all Speculation by the Fat cats… Of course they base their bets on emotion. It is NOT a supply and demand problem, well at least not yet.
Whether you’re on the left or the right, the cognitive limitations of the majority of the public remains a fact. You can’t make the issue go away by waving your hand or simply denouncing Posner. One can pretend that there are particular reasons why huge parts of the population lack basic information about the government or science and it is perfectly true that outfits like Fox routinely practice on the simplicity of their audience, but liberals need to recognize that ignorance and incomprehension are the norm and that changing that norm even a little bit takes an enormous effort—just think how much money and struggle it has taken to achieve low-level literacy in industrialized nations. People who are normal in a statistical sense are fortunate to be graded on the curve since they are actually quite dull in absolute terms. Democratic and, for that matter, every other kind of politics has to deal with this reality, though I, for one, don’t claim to understand much more than the necessity of doing so.
It does seem to me that the genius of politicians such as Lincoln or Clinton lay in their ability to make points to the public with sound but extremely simple arguments. It takes a very rare form of intelligence to talk about intrinsically difficult things in eighth or ninth-grade English. The alternative, which is the handy fall back, is to treat the human average with cynicism as Conservatives routinely do or with barely disguised disdain as Liberals commonly do. Maybe the best the average retail politician can do is to find invalid appeals for good causes. Beats me.
I’m pretty sure my memory is correct about the OpEd, but so far I haven’t been able to find it via the Times’ lame search function. Did confirm via Wikipedia that he did indeed clerk for Posner, however.
Has anyone else noticed all the SUV commercials now that gas prices have gone up? Repetitive tv commericals are now trying to beat the reality of high gas prices. The war on thinking might better be described as reality vs lies our parasite tries to sell us so it can convince us to keep letting it eat.
The argument against anarchy is that together we can support a government to protect us from crazy evil people.
The argument for anarchy seems to be crazy evil people eventually rise to become the government because they like the power of government because it lets them eat.
Talk about dumbing down. I know it is not all of the people in the Minnesota 6th Dist. but how does Michelle Bachman keep getting elected?
Her stupidity on the Revolutionary War and identifying the wrong state (New Hampshire) for what really happened in Massachusetts is just one of the latests gaffe’s by this Congresswoman.
I just read that PJ Crowley is out on his ear for speaking out.
State Department’s P.J. Crowley stepping down – CNN Political …Mar 13, 2011 … (CNN) — P.J. Crowley is abruptly stepping down as State Department spokesman under pressure from White House officials because of …
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/…/state-departments-p-j-crowley-stepping-down /
I could only wish that a simple denunciation of Posner could accomplish the great task you outline! Whatever the limitations on the intelligence of a population, we can decide to enforce and even increase those limitations or attempt to overcome them.
Who eveh said she was intelligent? Conniving and a blatant liar yes but smart intelligent never.
I’m also a child of the Sputnik Shock, which coincided with remote tech. Sometimes an airplane would trigger your suburban garage’s automatic door opener. No one called it a ‘perfect storm’ back then, but on any given Monday around noontime if there happened to be a sonic boom when the air raid sirens blew and you were in your drill ducking and covering and your garage door opened by itself you could bang your head on the desk or table you were ducking under and get a concussion.
The cognitive dissonance of the elite PARASITE ruling class that proposes Chicago and Austrian school economics rationalizations for greed contra real world experience and Strauss suggests that their limitations cost our society more.
A diary of the Bush years and the bank, air lines, GE, GM, Chrysler, AIG etc bailouts vs the amount cost to society of all violent felonies by poor people during the Bush years might show that yes the rich have in dollar terms hurt society more than all our violent crooks but of course none of them go to jail.
From pressure from the WH. Who could have anticipated?
AGREED take away Fox’s broad cast license there is no way they can claim they are benefiting the public with lies. Also bring back the fairness doctrine in the media. Next Cable Choice I as a Hispanic hate that I can’t get basic cable without paying for Fox News a network that agitates morons to linch me because I look like an illegal immigrant.
How many Women, African Americans, Gay etc feel the same?
PJ Crowley backed off his statements a bit. Said they were his personal opinion.
Or greedy! IMHO
From the CNN piece. My bold. Personal opinion or not, Obama will brook no dissent from his minions.
Her being intelligent was the farthest thing from my mind :)
Here’s a potential syllogism unformulated: Popular movies are expensive to make and have to appeal to a LCD or nearly so; Woody Allen’s movies have tended to appeal to a niche and educated movie ‘market; his Play It Again Sam (he didn’t direct it, though) of the middle 1970′s was one of the largest grossing movies of all time.
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100233221>1=31045 For Glenn- I think this is the right article. This guy Molnar-Szakacs does some fascinating studies.
Disdain from the Lefties on the Lake??? nope! The TV talking heads on tv yes. Us well we are the people Public School only a B.A right here!!!!
Try to be cynical or maintain the disdain when talking to a car mechanic about a car or an artist about art, a cement mixer about the temperature, humidity and the necessity to mix concrete proper.
There is value in everyone you just have to look. We are all intelligent its more about do we develop that intelligence and what do we use it on?
I wonder if the bailouts were more expensive than Crime, Welfare and Social Security costs during the Bush years?
http://biz.yahoo.com/wallstreet/070817/sb118728841048999914_id.html?.v=1 And one more short article(about Molnar) for you with a very funny ending.
It equates with The Manning Treatment. “Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses might not be stolen”.
The dumbing-down of America (I think there’s a book with that title) seems to have become a veritable crusade launched by the Right and apparently gone unnoticed by the Left.
Then there’s the seeming crusade to ‘entertain’ us with cops, robbers, felons, wars, battles – crowding the airwaves almost to the exclusion of anything else. And what about the seeming exclusion of the arts, that which makes us human and which nurtures our spirit – cut music and art in the public schools; defund the NEA/PBS…imagine today’s Congress passing the bill creating the Federal Art Project (1935, height of the Depression) which employed virtually all the major American artists and didn’t end until 1943?
Chilling effect is certainly a core part of O’s plan.
The same thing was true of Roberts and Alito, as I recall. I am all for listening to people like Lessig, who I have a lot of respect for, but in keeping with the theme of this post, l am against simply trusting those with authority.
We all have our blinders.
I have mixed feelings on what the post poses. Critical thinking and formal education aren’t mutually exclusive. There are plenty of activities outside of a university or classroom that foster intellectual curiousity. People aren’t skeptical on the merits of intelligence they’re skeptical on the merits of sitting in a classroom spending money on something they are increasingly unlikely to see a return on. Putting $20,000 on a credit card or having your parents take out a second mortgage to pay for you to sit in a classroom seems to be a poor choice when a service sector job and debt await you at the end of 4 years. However, that isn’t the same thing as snubbing the concept of learning itself. There are all sorts of avenues to learn including engaging in the everyday activities of life. Teachers aren’t the only people worth learning things from. You can learn things from everyday folks who lack credentials but still have knowledge to impart.
To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt though- “No one can make someone unintelligent without their consent.” Americans are choosing to sit and watch AI and watching people like Charlie Sheen have a breakdown by choice. There is absolutely nothing stopping people from watching Discovery channel, History Channel or going to a library to get information on any given subject other than their own desire to passively accept what is being meted out because it’s the easier route.
Oh and for the record I took online econ classes and understand econ fairly well. Again, I believe because it’s less about the source of knowledge and more about the willingness of the individual to seek out a variety of sources of information on subjects(even ones that buck conventional wisdom.) So I think that it’s misleading and a bit elitist to suggest online education is just a profit making venture.
Dumbing down much like morals and the decline of America are GOP code for dark people never mind Obama as much as I disagree with him is smarter than any GOPer out there.
The Right tries to convince its base its all our fault. The base thinks that the GOP thinks they are part of the GOP’s elite Bwhahahaa!
The GOP elite laughs at them for the pretension.
The majority of our “leaders” in Congress and the administration sat in a classroom at a university, as did their predecessors. It certainly doesn’t have appear to have fostered their ability to think critically. I want to hurl every time they utter “who could have imagined” on everything from Iraq to the economic meltdown.
Look at George Will, David Brooks, any Chicago or Austrian school economists, every Wall Street Banker, hedge fund, insurance company, the executives at GE, the American car companies and honestly you do wonder.
Then you look at the morons at Tea Bagger rallies and you realize the lack of critical thinking is evenly spread everywhere.
To be fair many are paid to think that way others yes are just stupid.
It’s that “willful” ignorance that makes me despair. Who ever said you have to just appeal to people’s emotions may be onto something.
My hypothesis about Poison Ivy League schools is that is where people go to be vetted by the PTB. Only the most obedient pass the vetting test.
Ivy League schools (went to one) are NOT about learning how to think, but learning how to obey. The young women at my school who did the best academically were the ones who were grade grinds, doing all the assignments as perfectly as possible & regurgitating what the prof wanted to hear. They were also, as a group, the least interesting.
Thanks for the articulate perspective. The late John Leonard wrote the complete history of popular TV (Smoke And Mirrors) concentrating his survey on the hour and half-hour sitcoms and dramas from the 1940′s through the 1990′s. He made the point that American TV allowed the society to witness ‘issues’ in dramatic form and become a more compassionate and enlightened society. His evidence were the specific programs and the social changes that followed from them, all good.
Then something bad happened when Gingrich triumphed, all bad.
I would call Obama and a number of other Democrats hard-right – I wouldn’t say being hard right is a partisan thing, though I do admit that the Democrats try and act like they’re helpless while the Republicans are more upfront in what they do.
A diary into this kind of thinking by our elites and how schools shape it would be great. I’d do it but I don’t have intel on Elite schools.
I don’t have enough to say on the subject, nor evidence, just hypothesis.
Good post, Glenn. Thanks.
I’m starting to think that Wells was right about the future bicameral society of Morlocks and Eloi. Most people I read on the net don’t know how to make arguments based on empirical evidence; it’s just a bunch of static. (Don’t get me started on the spelling, syntax, and punctuation errors; the advent of texting is seriously degrading the language).
I think some are being paid to advance the perception that Posner suggests. That the average American is not smart enough or capable enough to participate in the Democratic process.
In 2008 it absolutely galled me that the primary debates were treated like Survivor. Every show one less candidate appeared. It also irritated me to no end that the media participated in playing coy games with questions on UFOs and the preference of diamonds or pearls. In the end I hold the media largely responsible for creating the idea that a candidate should be determined by who you identified with rather than who had the policy positions that closest matched where you wanted to see the country go. I hold many progressive A list blogs responsible though for the advancement of the idea that all of the democratic candidates were the same on policy when even on the surface a critical thinker could so that was absolute fallacy. Groupthink became an enemy of critical thinking.
Good post.
Elaine Scarry is excellent. Her work on beauty is razor sharp. And she was one of the first people to analyze in detail what a nightmare the “Patriot” Act is. I read it in Harpers.
My one complaint, and it is an ongoing complaint about FDL, is that the Democrats are not “weak willed”. Rather, they are one half of the oligarchic corporate party. The constant complaining about the Right is complete BULLSHIT. People carry on like the Tea Party fucked America. Hello. Wake the fuck up FDL. Obama=Cheney. The Tea Party has been responsible for close to ZERO of America’s laws/policies. The Chuck Schumers have fucked America far more than the Rand Pauls.
The sooner FDL frees itself from shilling it up for the Neo Liberal scum, the better. The whole place just has such a 90′s odor.
The Democratic Party is dead. The Federal Reserve is dead. Get your “progressive” minds around that and FDL might have a chance of mattering.
That’s a microtake. The macrotake hypothesis: higher ed is a racket just like the health clubs and workout gyms. We’re scared into needing it. Most drop out, but not until they’ve contributed $$$ to keep the racket going. No school can afford to matriculate every entering freshman through 4-5 years; they know how many will quit or flunk out. They use slave grad students to ‘teach’ intro courses. Similarly, if everyone who joined a health club or gym showed up at the same time — well, I don’t know how to finish the sentence.
Naomi Wolf also, same topics, same perspective, but a Yalie.
“R we the ppl?” — Jill Lepore, The New Yorker
Great article! I have always marveled at the shortsightedness of destroying not only the educational system, but also the infrastructure of the country. It always seemed to me that eventually, these large corporations would be harmed by the eventual loss of a once powerful buying force as the citizenry of the US becomes poorer and poorer. Then I realized that the population of the US is less than 5% of the total world population. Then I understood how much greater the gain than the loss. Losing that 5% is nothing.
Does the media reflect the public or vise versa?
I went to a small east coast liberal arts school that some considered “sub” Ivy League, and some considered “sub-sub” Ivy League. All I know is that it was/is a very challenging curriculum, and when I atteneded (quite a while ago) the students were super high achievers (and very smart) from “average” middle class families. In other words, neither rich enough nor poor enough to attend the Ivy Leagues (most of us) without *somewhat* better grades (most of us graduated in the top 25 students of our high school classes).
My experience was exactly the same as yours. The students who were grade grinds *mostly* ended up with higher paying jobs than those of us who were more hippy-trippy & less authoritarian mind-set. Albeit my pals ‘n me (who were in the hippy-trippy set) have all done well enough in our lives -both in terms of income & otherwise – bc we are all smart, well-read, articulate &, when push comes to shove, hard workers. We just happen to be a bit more iconoclastic. Of course, we all benefited from what was then a very superior K-12 public educational system, too.
No surprises here: my pals & I are mostly *all* remain very very leftwing (and engaged & involved in the politics). The grinds are mostly all republicans who don’t pay as much attention as they should.
Not terribly surprising but interesting. The only person who “switched sides” was this person who was the “candy man” at college & now is super duper hard right republican. thought this person was gonna punch me out at a reunion once when I reminded about some “sales” made in younger days. couldn’t help myself; guess the debbil made me do it.
I’d say you aren’t completely accurate. The tea partiers have brought some positively abyssmal political leaders with some absolutely batshit policy positions into the debate of politics. That isn’t innocent.
that being said I’d agree that Harry Reid and Pelosi are an equal portion of the problem.
When your own party starts putting restrictions on what is acceptable policy to advance in discourse it is problematic for the portion of us that believe discussions on issues like single payer belong being at the very least part of the debate.
I’m hesitant to embrace any organizations that focuses on the position of identity politics over policy positions. The focus needs to be on pushing the debate leftward and less on the that any democrats win is a win for the country. The truth is that people like Harry Reid or Kent Conrad have been losses because it pushed the debate rightward and made asinine policy positions like anti choice/anti reproductive rights “bi partisan.” Now we’re reduced to arguing that women should not have the last shreds of their autonomy unshredded by funding an organization that provides birth control for many low income women(who coincedentally had their funding stripped out of the stimulus bill for ZERO votes by a Democrat).
The media is a propoganda machine paid for by the elites to enable the dumbing-down of the populace, while also lying to citizens about what’s going on.
Anecdotally, I don’t necessarily agree that it reflects the public. More people I speak with say they wish the news spent less time opining about Sheen and more time discussing what our government is doing.
They default to shows like AI because getting the real skinny requires more effort. They can’t access the information in the media(accept occasionally through folks like Jon Stewart who present the news in an entertaining venue.)
Anecdotally, perhaps you are speaking to more educated people?(I wish I had that problem, and I’m NOT being sarcastic!) My only anecdotal evidence is when I’m surf’in MSM NEWS sites and off to the right under the “most viewed” list is almost always Sheen/Lohan/etc. And to “onitgoes” I agree about the propoganda part but also that the MSM pushes Sh-t cause sh-t sells in our celebrity worshipping culture.imo P.s. enjoy you both on here.
Thanks Glenn,
it reminds me of how the Fed has run their very own war on thinking which has invaded/overrun most of our academic institutions. It’s not just Chicago anymore…
“The Fed staff would come out and their ritual is: Greenspan has kind of told them what to conclude and they produce studies in which they conclude this.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/priceless-how-the-federal_n_278805.html
Only if you are speaking of education in the unconventional sense. I live in the Appalachian region of SW Virginia. I talk policy with my neighbors who happen to live in a trailer park. One is a small business owner, another is on disability and in her previous lifetime before disease went to school as a paralegal, yet a third manages the park and has a spouse who is retired(but not yet old enough for Medicare) and pays $650 a month for health care for two. One of my neighbors just moved. Her husband was an Iraq war veteran(my spouse and I are both vets as well). One of my friends when I worked at Walmart was a fellow worker who is originally from Iran she substitute teaches at elementary schools. I talk with alot of people at the Walmart I previously worked. Not exactly what people like Posner would consider the educated elite.
I tend to be very liberal in my belief I can learn something from everyone, even people with which I disagree or in other words I’m a chatty cathy.
Online I do converse with alot of educated folk, research chemists, psych profs, economists who previously worked at the Fed are all sites i visit to get the low down.
It is pretty clear what the GOP/Koch/teapuppet agenda is thinking; They really hate the workers of America and think they are pigs- GOP senate candidate TOWNSEND: “I take away this. Number one, elections have consequences. Number two, unions will never have any trouble renting a riot, and number three, when you gore that pig and wound it, it can make a lot of noise, and that’s the message I would take out of this.” http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/republicans-think-workers-are-pigs The Koch/Murdoch/GOPtea agenda is very clear and we are removing them from power.
I hear you about “sh*t sells.” People do *say* that they want better info, but then they turn around and watch sh*t & talk about it all day ad nauseum.
I’m a renter who lives w/ my landlord & child. Landlord is reasonably well educated but watches a LOT of crap, esp the Hollywood gossip junk and then wants to babble on ad infinitum about whichever drugged out Hollywood whacko is the star of the day… but will turn around & in the same breath say: oh I don’t “want” to talk about so&so but “everyone else is.”
I had someone at work say pretty much the same thing to me, when this person attempted to play some idiotic thing about Charlie Sheen (or maybe Lindsay Lohan – and how the EFF do I even know those names??). When I said (as politely as I could muster) that I just wasn’t interested in Hollywood drug addicts, this co-workers said (and I quote): “Well neither am I!!! But that’s all everyone is talking about.”
I kept my mouth firmly shut, but this co-worker’s comment begs the question: IF you *really* don’t want to talk about X-drughead, then WHY do you have stuff to download about “X” on your I-Phone???
EGAD. People don’t even listen to what they say.
But it’s propoganda, and citizens have gradually been dumbed down & dumbed down & dumbed down into “accepting” JUNK as their main “nooz.” It’s insideous, unfortunately.
I deal with it by rarely watching tv or listening to the radio.
“…and get nothing but huge doses of stupid…”
I started working through this blog early this afternoon. I had to go out and caught the last bit of Garrison Keillor. He used the term “invincible stupidity” which I just loved and seem so appropriate to this conversation.
Having a good education is a good foundation for anyone, but in my experience, I know a *lot* very highly educated people, some with very challenging and highly pad work, who are adament members of the Tea Party and listen raptly to RushGlennSeanBilloSarah 24/7/365.
Many citizens don’t enjoy the benefits of an advanced education but are still quite smart and have enough intellectual curiosity to seek different points of view. And that last issue – the ability to keep an open mind and truly seek & listen to other points of view – is what’s really *missing* anymore in our nation.
The rightwing often projects onto liberals/lefties/whathaveyou their very own narrow-minded, inflexible, authoritarian mindset and way of being. Certainly some percentage of trad-Dem voters/lefties are equally narrow-minded & lacking in curiosity. But in my experience, most who are true leftists are much more open-minded, willing to stand corrected, and willing to *learn* from direct experience, whether their own or someone else’s.
I come from a family that is lucky enough to be well-educated, have good jobs, be reasonably sophisticated in their lifestyle and well-traveled, not just around the USA but to numerous foreign countries. But they subsist on a steady diet of Fake “Nooz,” and the RushGlenn continuum to the exclusion of *any* other info. They are adamant Tea Party folks, who truly *believe* that the Tea Party is a “grass roots” movement that actually happened “from the people.”
So your experiences of WalMart workers and those of low incomes living in trailer parks is not surprising. I’ve certainly had very good discussions with low-income workers often. If they have an open mind and try to learn from a variety of sources, then the person is going to be more flexible in their thinking and more willing to have a true “dialogue” about politics, world events, etc. That’s what key to me: flexibility, open-mind, curiosity, willingness to learn, plus a willingness to stand corrected.
Gotta love Garrison; comes up with some really pithy remarks that are spot-on! Thanks for sharing that one; too true. And invincible stupidity is NOT just due to lack of education; it’s more a state of being/mind.
“… it’s more a state of being/mind.”
I frequently engage in conversations about the state of education in this country. The single biggest problem is the attitudes that walk through the schoolhouse door in the morning. these attitudes are learned in the home and cannot be overcome by teachers alone.
Ask 100 parents if they would rather their son be the starting quaterback or the valedictorian and you will find the source of the problem.
Agree. Have a number of friends & family members who teach, both K-12 & beyond.
Lots of problems eminate from the home-front, esp if parents aren’t interested, are dysfunctional or even actively “against” the teachers because of their (the parents) own bad experiences in school.
Lots of problems with kids who come from families of drug addicts or other dysfunctions, or parents in the prison system. Lots of problems with kids being raised by grandparents, who may not have been the best parents to begin with and now are older and finding it hard to cope with raising young kids. Etc etc.
Are there “bad” teachers out there? Sure. Just like in ANY occupation, but a huge problem is what goes on at home. It’s not just a lower income problem, but lower income areas tend to have the worst problems eminating from the home-front, esp bc a lot of those parents *seem* less directly involved in assisting their kids with school work and making sure that their chidrens’ behavior is under control.
A lot of parents simply don’t “get” how much work THEY need to do when their kids are in school, esp in terms of *reading* to their kids, assisting with homework, plus outside activities. And that’s where the desire for the kid to excel at sports, but not care about grades, can come into play, too. Sports are good, but everything in balance.
It’s very unfair to lay huge blame on teachers & the unions, when *often* it has more to do with what’s happening (or not) at home.
Plus nowadays, woe betide the teacher who attempts to discipline (not speaking about physical measures) “little johnny or jill,” bc often the parents will complain vigorously, even though little johnny or jill really need boundaries imposed via appropriate disciplinary measures.
I could go on; that’s the outline.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8228192/Political-views-hard-wired-into-your-brain.ht for you & cwaltz, don’t know if there’s anything actually to this but I thought was interesting.Maybe we can’t help ourselves? left some links above on same subject.Take care.
That’s a serious engineering/operations #FAIL. You desk check the SOP then you do periodic and surprise inspections to make sure everything is in place and operating in case the emergency actually arises. Otherwise the only thing you are actually prepared for is being up sh#t creek without a paddle.
I have been getting a glimpse into what I consider markers of social decay in several countries within 30 years of the spread of consolidated international media and computer-actuated entertainment. I see slippages in social development and skills in young people. They’ve become even more infantile, lacking in survival skills, lacking in critical thinking skills and lacking in invention/problem solving.
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(excerpt from “Holistic Policy“)
These three categories of systems knowledge loss in the present human population is potentially catastrophic. I take the situation in Japan as a marker of that decay.
There are simply things you cannot learn from machines and I contend that the substitution of a rich variety of the three types of systems learning and experience with human-to-machine (computer) interaction is a key driver of humans literally becoming more ignorant. All that is being done is simply presenting fantasy and conjecture for the real thing.
“Star Trek The Cage, part 7” (time point 2:57 – 4:34)