Mornin’, BT, pups
The Rethugs in WI, IN, OH and in the House are showing the country, nay, the world, that they can’t be trusted with money, must less governing. They’re also showing us just how much lying rhetoric they’re willing to use to destroy the economy.
Once again, Krugman is spot on.
Kudos to the civility of the good people of Madison.
Plaintiffs as a group need to be commended for their conduct during the activity that I think I can conclude constituted the largest expression of free speech in addressing the government in the history of our state,” (Dane County Circuit Judge John) Albert said in court.
Gandhi and MLK Jr. would be proud.
Wanna know just how petty and mean Rethugs can be?
Congress Blocks Ceremony For Frank Buckles, Last Surviving WWI Veteran
Too difficult to post a link to the article?
DemocracyNow! isn’t livestreaming for me this morning. Can anyone else get it on the tubes?
Morning BT & Firepups:
I’ve been watching some dipshit from the “Family Research Council” on WJ. These people are way too crazy…
We’re headed into a very dark place, I’m afraid.
Doesn’t work for me either. I get the rebroadcast at 9 ET message.
Not a whole lot we can do about it. We will, however, be able to pick up the pieces and send some of these reichwing ideas to the wastebin of history, along with their purveyors.
Good Morning SD and BT and Pups
We get a few interesting posts from WI bloggers, A bit of the influence and checkered past about the Kock family, some very nice pictures and comments from Madison yesterday, and our benevolent governor clawing back another $20 a month from our least able to afford it, citizens.
Was that a troll fest yesterday afternoon/evening, or what?
democracynow came on briefly.
Reading Krugman now. I particularly like this:
Of course, Republicans believe, or at least pretend to believe, that the direct job-destroying effects of their proposals would be more than offset by a rise in business confidence. As I like to put it, they believe that the Confidence Fairy will make everything all right.
It’s a quote from the first article BT linked to.
send some of these reichwing ideas to the wastebin of history, along with their purveyors.
I admire your spirit. Like a good shot of vitamin tonic…
I keep wondering if Stiglitz and Roubini have hibernated for the winter.
Thanks. Didn’t read the whole thing.
Yup. I just about had my fill, alright. On the other hand, if these trolls are that interested / motivated, then there must be a perception that the actual real, factual information coming out of this site is making a dent.
Pretty impressive. A couple of the trolls were nasty little cretins. It amazes me how they cling to proven wrong bullshit like it is carved in stone fact.
I was wondering at the end of it how many bingos were on that thread
YVW. Felt I had to say something since ghost got spanked yesterday for starting off Swim with OT. Today’s he’s right on top of it.
Here’s a bit of good news…
If you notice they don’t have any ideas, just efforts to derail the discussion, any discussion that doesn’t adhere to their talking points. What’s funny is they come in with their troll flags flyin’, not the slightest pretense of being “progressive.”
Employment numbers in line with expectations, +192,000, upwrd revisions to prior two months, unemployment rate down to 8.9%.
I saw that but didn’t want to let the trolls know I was still around.
I’ll give him that.
Yup. Some serious comedy, alright…
EPA’s Lisa Jackson’s reply to Upton’s “myth.”
Last year alone, EPA’s implementation of the Clean Air Act saved more than 160,000 American lives; avoided more than 100,000 hospital visits; prevented millions of cases of respiratory illness, including bronchitis and asthma; enhanced American productivity by preventing millions of lost workdays; and kept American kids healthy and in school.
See, tax cuts for the upper crust DO create jobs. /s
There was one troll that remained well into the evening. I don;t get their fascination with wanting to disrupt and be reviled.
People over profits. Can’t have that.
Any idea when the FBI is going to begin investigating the allegations of systematic rigging of electronic (voodoo) voting systems?
S/he knows Trolling for Dummies quite well. Tied up a good portion of the comments on one semantic point.
Just can’t help yourself, can ya? LOL
Let me take a wild-ass guess: Never?
Dunno about prosperity, but if we keep cutting we’ll hit China.
Fascination? They are paid. Unproven by who though. Consider this. If you owned a blog of any kind with regular readers, what works best for increasing traffic? When a story/post has no replies, how do you increase it? Simple answer, a troll, or more. What posts on even here, have the most comments? And increased traffic means what to a blog? Ad revenue?
Pretty good piece from David Cay Johnston. Was linked from DN yesterday.
I doubt many of them are paid. Some of them that turn up here are certainly staffers but I doubt they are paid specifically to disrupt a blog.
In the 6 minute “news” report, Lisa Jackson claims $2 trillion in reduced health care costs will be realized by 2020 as a result of the Clean Air Act.
Prime Minister Harper, you’re becoming a regular at our little morning soiree.
Are you saying FDL pays the trolls to be here?
“You can tell when we get there ’cause all the men will be wearin’ them little pigtails…”
(Thanks Larry McMurtry.)
That was my take as well.
Should have included Eugene Robinson today BT. He too is spot on:
After slamming Democrats for not focusing on “jobs, jobs, jobs,” Republicans have decided to ignore their own winning message in favor of “cuts, cuts, cuts.” This is bad economics – and bad politics.
Just his/her own brand of paranoia. Trolls must be paid by “the _______________”, (insert right wing boogie man here), otherwise the whole fabric comes apart.
I agree with you, but I’d almost feel better knowing they were paid. That would indicate that they were nakedly profit-motivated rather than just Complete F-n Morans. Not sure which is more difficult to contend with…
I wonder if CB is on the payroll?
Put your jackets on. Hell has officially frozen over.
If so we’re not getting our money’s worth.
I’m surprised our worthless media covered her comments.
I wish I was! I’d make a much, much better troll than any of the ones I’ve run across.
(Please consider this my troll application)
Good morning, all. Very interesting coincydink I discovered last night reading Robert Kuttner’s Presidency in Peril. Made me go find the comment in yesterday’s thread and dog-ear the page in the book.
The Tea Party movement is creating a new and exciting progressive movement, a new creature that is crawling toward Washington to be born.
From Kuttner, comparing Limbaugh to the “more urbane” Lou Dobbs:
“…listen to the more urbane Dobbs, and you will get a sense of what might capture the mainstream if Obama fails: a glib but nasty politics that defines the crisis as the fault of an ill-defined brew of government, bankers, liberals, and foreigners–a familiar populism of the right slouching toward Washington to be born.“
Emphasis mine. I wonder if our troll was reading Kuttner?
Ironic. After years of Republicans screaming “MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD” as an excuse for their multifarious attempts to strip minorities of their right to vote one of the very few actual instances of verified voter fraud turns out to be… a Republican in charge of running elections.
Yeah, I saw that yesterday but I can’t remember where. She’s gotta be right sometimes I guess.
I’d say the odds are better s/he read it as an excerpt from a book review.
So you think FDL paid yesterday’s trolls to increase readership. Sorry, but I think you’re scraping for something incendiary to toss into the thread.
Or heard it misquoted on the air.
Yep, that’s just a bit too over the top for me. Besides, nobody offered me the position.
Where do I get me some of those troll dollars?
You have to go on Trolling for Dollars.
Today will be interesting. With Walker threatening to lay off folks if the Dems don’t come back the WI thread should draw them back. Gonna hafta cut ‘em off at the knees this time, though. Remember the old term “shunning?”
I saw that, zapkitty. I live in Indiana so it was particularly interesting. He’s a new Secretary of State, the previous one is Todd Rokita.
WARNING: YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN HIJACKED.
(Tea Partiers should be first in line demanding that our representatives stop representing their corporate benefactors and start representing the interests of the American people.)
You write better!
Any news on that job interview last week?
Interesting, though. I can’t believe it was entirely coincidence, but the line is buried on page 220 of a 274-page book. Unless the comment about Dobbs drew a reviewer’s attention, it wouldn’t seem important enough to be quoted.
What the troll-masters don’t quite understand is that there are a lot of very highly qualified posters on this blog, including lawyers, economists, ex-diplomats and, for all I know, ex-CIA, so the usual ideological crap just doesn’t go down. I actually enjoy treating the trolls like a straight man in a comedy act. They hand you the killer lines. Plus, it gives us a chance to use the occasion to educate anyone listening in about the fallacies of right-wing reasoning.
Advice to trolls: don’t go up against people who are smarter and meaner than you.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,492
US KIA Irak: 4,439
Iraki, Afghan and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2011: 7,688 and counting
Which Side Are You On?
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Amen, Knut. The quality and depth and breadth of knowledge of the commenters (and the front-pagers) is incomparable.
Nope. Never heard back. :(
It’s considered acceptable, and sometimes even desirable, to check back with them and inquire about the status. Is that something you’d consider doing?
Already wrote the email.
i don’t have to tell you that these things can take time, depending on the number of applicants and the number of people who have to weigh in on a hiring decision. I wouldn’t give up yet, although I know it can be very discouraging.
Hope the US can handle paying the lawsuits from Canada for all the acid rain damage to forests, crops and human health.
There are reasons for the Clean Air Act. Since we played out this type of damage out with Canada in the last 20+ years;this time, Canada would have the right to see Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) and Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) efforts to block the Environmental Protection Agency from implementing Clean Air Act protections actions as an act of war.
Dear Mr. Upton and Mr. Inhofe, love thy neighbor Canada.
The Clean Air Act is a form of national security buckos.
I thought the jobs report was a bit better than expected – but attributed it to offsetting lower than expected numbers in the past few months – in any case the numbers employed and average wage are making a nice slightly upward curve.
I suspect Krugman is correct that the curve’s upward bias will end if there are massive public sector firings – as he noted past public sector tightening offset the so called “stimulus”.
I disagree with Krugman a little re the Confidence Fairy – there is a real effect from business confidence – which was the reason I was so angry when Cheney began his doomsday speeches in Dec 2000 as he tried to develop a push behind the tax cuts – he actually, in my opinion, caused a very small but real drop in activity (the recession call – with the numbers just about unchanged from 6 months earlier, was said to be a reflection of the “total picture changing” by one of the folks on the committee – which I read to mean the Cheney effect).
I don’t see the GOP selling or business believing that deficit reduction will improve the economy, even if they win everything they are demanding, so they are not even trying for a Confidence Fairy boost. This is just Koch brothers and Club for Growth nonsense – but then they are paying for the show.
True – but we ignore cross border tree cutting (softwood) import/export problems for years – don’t think this will cause a blink – by either party.
But then Canada and Mexico are number 1 and 2 as our oil suppliers, and we always been over backwards for the oil folks, so perhaps the clean air act will survive.
Still got my fingers crossed, Margaret. Agree with someone else who said that these things can take time. Not over yet. All the best!!
I made a decision yesterday on one of the WI posts to “engage” with the conservative posters just to see where it would lead. One of ‘em finally just started posting gibberish (really) that had nothing to do with anything. At which point, fwiw, I pointed out that s/he was either a paid troll or just engaging in a pointless exercise of trying to “bait” the bloggers here and engage in meaningless activity.
Another one, though, I believe *may* have been either more sincere or better paid. Came up with better, somewhat more “researched” arguments, but again: an exercise in futility for them. I gave this conservative commenter a number of links – from a range of sources that were effectively conservative, liberal and neutral – that adamantly *refuted* their “arguments.” Said conservative tried one more time to engage in some kind of “circular logic” to refute the links of put out there. Then finally appeared to “scuttle away.”
I don’t mind that much if conservatives wish to come here to “discuss” issues from their viewpoints. That’s fine. But simply parroting out rightwing talking points and easily refuted rightwing lies is a waste of everyone’s time.
I assume that those who are paid to do spew junk here are paid by the Kochs (or other elites) in order to give “an opposing viewpoint” for those who come here regularly to read this blog but may never post. Doubt that it has the intended effect of changing anyone’s mind. Whatever…
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