Good morning all.
“So Well,” unless you and/or your family were in the bloody fight. Criminal, ya’ think?
The USG’s pursuit of Julian Assange closely parallels Richard Nixon’s pursuit of John Lennon, with the exception that the extradition being sought for Assange is in the reverse direction of Lennon’s.
At the time, Nixon did not have the luxury of having Guantanamo available to “neutralize” Lennon. The USG has that capability today.
“You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control.” —
John Lennon (1969)
Krugman is spot on but it sure seemed to take him a while to get around t saying it.
Free dope at the capitol in Wisconsin? Dang, let’s go!
Good Morning, BT and Hippie Pups.
This is the beginning of the fight, not the end. Walker will not prevail because he has shown himself to be a radical partisan whose agendas is based purely on political opportunism, not what’s best for the sate or his constituents.
Free Hat! Free Hat!
Everyone can smoke in peace. All the governor’s Gestapo pigs are in hot pursuit of the Democratic Senators.
In Krugman’s defense, he was travelling this week, and not posting his column or blog.
In fact, he was here in San Antonio yesterday, and in Oklahoma, too, so if his schedule was like that every day, I can see why he wasn’t posting.
Good morning all. Thanks for the post , BT.
Tamale man just came by the work place. Jalapeno and cheese tamales. In Texas we call that breakfast. Although Marions waffels sounded delicious.
democracynow Amy Goodman is in Madison. Guest said that Walker beat the real conservative!
Thanks, Peggy. I had to google that to “get” it. Now that I’ve learned my one new thing for the morning, can I go back to bed?
After seeing that beck clip i wish i had the last minute and half of my life back. I totally didnt think that beck was going to say revolutions are the opposite of “social security”??? I thought republicans and conservatives hated social security but i guess its just another incoherent babble fest for beck.
Why is there no recall petition underway in Wisconsin?
Yummers, oldnslow! I eat all kinds of stuff for breakfast. Yesterday it was a bologna sandwich.
(And, tardy thanks for your He’s a pig comment the other day.)
MSNBC with a story up about Moammar throwing money at his minor problem. Don’t think it will work. Here is a link in case y’all are interested.
“Beat the real conservative?”
LMAO! Sure demi. One useless thing is a ticket back to your warm bed.
Related, from Dean Baker (h/t Yves Smith).
It’s almost as if he has certain words like dope, hippie, liberal haters, and such like that he jams into sentences just to get a rise out of people.
I think in Wi, the gov has to have been in office one year before recall process can start.
I believe under Wisconsin law a governor cannot be recalled during his first year.
State Senators can be recalled at any time.
Man I used to be able to go through eight of those without a problem! Tamales, not waffles, (though admittedly those sound good too)
For true…like you don’t want the exposure….
Ha, I would, but I’ve got work this am. And, speaking of which, I read that you had a good interview yesterday. What’s the skinny?
I’m not sure. I gather there was a R on the ticket (primary?) to the right of Walker.
State Senators can be recalled at any time
Wrong. Under Wisconsin law, every elected person must serve a minimum of one year before being recalled. I think it was ThinkProgress that published a list of GOP Senators who can be recalled immediately.
Mornin’, BT, pups
Does anybody know who the Dems ran for governor of WI? Are the good citizens of WI feeling the same buyer’s remorse as Floridians? All those bright folks who stayed home can now see what happens when ya cut yer nose off to spite yer face.
But why not get it underway now? There can’t be a law against collecting signatures on a petition, can there? Would send a message even if no actual recall could be done for a year.
Oops! Comment was for you.
That is indeed a fact. Link.
I stand corrected. TP is where I got my info from but I missed the fine print.
Because I’m lurkin at workin I am rarely timely with my comments and must disappear often to tend to duties. It’s funny you mention bologna. We went on a bologna jag a few years ago. It was wonderfull.
Oh, and that guy you described just struck me as a real pig for saying that to any woman.
ghost, I figured that and you made me lol. really. That doesn’t happen often enough for me.
It was a good interview demi. I’ve had them before but I think I at least won a second interview next week. There’s a long way to go though. On a good note, (for me at least), the guy’s next interview was supposed to be there at 3:00 and he called in for directions while I was there and hadn’t made it by 3:16 when I left. He also pointed out that my resume and I personally had impressed him.
RevBev, I left a reply in the last thread about the snow forecast in San Francisco. My sister lives there and I’ve been following that situation. Snow probably won’t stick because the ground would be much too warm, but just the idea is mighty interesting!
Hiya, everyone. I fully expect Glenn Beck to suddenly start spouting gibberish (even more unintelligible than he already does) and get carted off the show in a strait jacket.
I got a dozen pork to take home for dinner. Homemade and VERY fresh and good.
It might be TP ghost. Coulda been TPM or even Kos but it was definitely two separate sources.
Making my mouth water ‘slow….
He made another age related comment yesterday, in front of some other people and I turned to him and replied, I don’t think you really want to continue with the old age comments with me. He said, Oh, all you Deborah’s are alike! As I told my boss, the guy does not have a PHD in social skills.
the hippie dope radicals who are having Woodstock in the capitol, whose MO is to bring down the US AND the free market.
Hey Glenn: Ask your doctor if a Thorazine drip is right for you.
Morning BT & Firepups.
That is great news. And, if he’s not bright enough to hire you, he doesn’t deserve you. Keeping hopeful thoughts on that.
Can you say what was said…or ignore it?
It makes sense. Senators who weren’t elected for the first time in this election cycle could be recalled now. Newly elected first termers get a year grace period to be a fuck off.
Margaret, I missed your job interview description. I was on the run most of the day and not reading after about noon. What sort of job? I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Krugman did a spectacular job of describing just how tightly the lips of L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy in Iraq, were pressed up to the Bush/neocon assholes.
Yes, the public outrage over what Walker is trying to do in WI is a bright spot.
When the revolution starts, the mantras will include “Remember Citizens United!” and “Remember Madison, Wisconsin!”
The same could be asked of Christie here in NJ. Hes a terrible governor and just an ahole destroying peoples lives for his own self interest under the guise of good governance. But for whatever reason which im no longer even trying to understand people are just accepting that right wing policies are somehow good policy. Even if they do bitch and moan about it occasionally. And no i dont understand it either.
Thanks. Not nearly as close a race as Scott/Sink. The Dem Party in FL has got to get its act together. They keep putting neoliberals like Sink on the ballot and the Dems will be in the woods forever here.
We’ve got a forecast for possible snow down to 500 feet and we’re at 1100. I woke up to snow on the hills above the house last Sunday, but as you said it didn’t last long. Still, it’s fun, for a change.
That’s what I thought too. Astonishingly, an election rule that makes sense.
Im not so sure. Americans seem to have an astonishingly short term memory. I think this will blow over as soon as it started and people will go back to watching their tvs and forget all about it. I mean over the past say 10 years look at all the crap that has happened which people bitched and moaned about for a few weeks and then completely forgot about it a few weeks later.
Wish IDIOTIC Texans would get buyer’s remorse about Goodhair. The problem is he doesn’t have the power to fuck things up in a spectacular way but he can insidiously impose his ideology through appointments.
And the WMDs silly joke.
That would be true for national issues but local issues fester for a long time.
That’s one thing I liked about living in San Diego. When I lived in Mira Mesa, I could drive west and be on the beach in 20 minutes or drive east for 20 minutes and be in the snow. That was pretty cool.
Everyone else good morning, but stfu Ghost, and please get a clue too,
Those state police on most levels voted against Walker, are largely standing with the anti-Walker demonstrators and several of those county police in my jurisdiction are fathers whose kids attend school with mine, at least until the teachers get fired.
He said I’ll bet you were a real knock out when you were younger. I was so astonished, I didn’t reply. It was one of those situations where later I thought of several snappy come backs. Like, I’ll bet you were smarter and nicer when you were younger. But, of course, it was best left alone. But, I decided to not let him continue. I enjoy it there too much.
Kind of sounds like Obama and the dems actually which is probably why it took so long for people to finally have had enough with him.
But don’t expect either Mr. Walker or the rest of his party to change those goals. Union-busting and privatization remain G.O.P. priorities, and the party will continue its efforts to smuggle those priorities through in the name of balanced budgets.
Krugman hits the nail on the head.
He gets to serve a year before it can happen, by law.
I think there are a whole lot of commentators here who don;t give the American people enough credit. You can’t expect more than 10 percent of the population at most to pay attention as closely as we do. I don;t know what or when the match will happen but I am sure that eventually it will. One thing about oligarchs and despots you can count on: they always go too far.
I agree. It’s been very sad over the last decade to watch the lack of public outrage over the looting of America.
But that seems to be changing.
First, many were waiting out the Bush era. For the last few years of that mess, there were bumper stickers with 1.20.09. Obama grabbed the energy for change and got elected.
But since then, nothing has changed and shit just keeps getting worse. Many more people are paying attention. Many are voicing their anger.
I think the American people are seeing things go from very bad to much worse and aren’t going to take it anymore.
Truly Amazing, huh? The “ignore” card is such a hard one to play.
Oh, yes. Where I live is about 45 minutes to the beach, higher mountains and the desert too. Woo Hoo.
Guy told demi “you musta been something when you were younger”. Like I said, pig.
Oh BTW there’s a general announcement: last night at late night we decided that the new word for fake Democrats is Vichycrats. Shorter than Vichy Democrats yet the connotation is still there.
But you have to consider that the governor’s continuing purchases of all manner of hair care products has a strong stimulative effect on the Texas economy. Well doesn’t it?
Congrats on the interview thing. As Demi said, if they’re too stupid to hire you, then it’s their loss.
I hope you are right….and people didn’t realize the folksy W comic was dangerous…
Krugman is sooo late to wake up. He makes me sick.
That’s good. Catchy. I think it could stick.
I can live with that. Much more expressive than ConservaDems.
People always fret about the “big one” in LA but have you seen a map of the faults in SD? LA might sink but SD will shatter.
I think, breaking the law, may be the exception to that. I am still checking. I heard something about it yesterday.
Better late than never, I suppose. He could be Bobo.
Sorry I’m a little behind here.
Hoping everyone has a very good day….ready for the weekend here. Cheers.
Greenwald on Colbert show.
I hope. While its nice to see people finally having had enough. It seems that its only scattered and theres enough of a push to continue right wing policies and enough people who still want to enable the corruption by voting for dems and repubs and tea partiers and whatnot that i dont think its going to change any time soon.
But maybe. Would be nice to get rid of these horrible policies. But for example too many people are still buying into the deficit idea which means investment wont be happening for a long long time.
I especially like the treasonous overtones.
I’ll take a guy who comes late to the revolution any day.
Hey, come to visit me for a “change” — we’ve had 100″ of snow this winter, plus whatever fell overnight. Was supposed to be up to 5″ but looks like only about an inch to me.
Yep but again, you can’t expect most people to know what’s going on and you can’t expect comfortable people just to get up and revolt just because you’re outraged. It will happen. As sure as the sun will keep fusing hydrogen.
Krugman is the sorry state for what passes for a public intellectual these days. He deserves contempt.
Several recalls are in the works for eligible Republican State Senators and several requests for criminal investigations were filed yesterday, because Walker’s punked phone call appears to have him soliciting campaign donations using State facilities, a violation of campaign laws. There are also requests for criminal or ethics violation investigations concerning exactly who discussed endangering public safety by considering deploying agitators.
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This one just might take the wingnut prize this morning…
WAY great to have you back SD!. :)
People will engage when policies begin to affect them or those close to them.
It will happen as you say but how long is it going to take? Thats the problem with americans. They seem to really wait a LONG time when a serious amount of hurt has been in place to finally say enough.
Not in my book.
Hey, everyone. oldnslow’s got a little behind.
Oops. No sexist language at the Lake.
Guess I’m in a huggy mood this morning.
Im not so sure frankly. I think theres so much fear in this country and so much of the two party system mentality and if they both are terrible which they are then theres nothing you can do about it that i dont know what will happen.
Madison Wisconsin Lawmakers Approve a Bill to halt sleepovers in Capitol offices, hearing rooms and to stop Protestors from Spending the Night!
GOP Dirty Tricks!
I don’t know what you have against Krugman but without him we’d have Greenwald…. and that’s pretty much it. Glenn isn’t interested in kissing ass for msm access. He’s late off the mark on this one but nobody’s perfect.
And you think that’s unique to Americans? That’s a bias. Look how long the Egyptians put up with Mubarak. He’s been a despot there for thirty years.
Folks want things to change overnight. Not. Gonna. Happen. We’re a large segmented country. If one is not prepared for a long, protracted struggle burnout comes quick.
Yup. When it starts landing on your front doorstep, you suddenly become much more focused. The trick is in trying to effectively channel that energy. FoxPac (and fellow wingnut travelers) are pretty good at that game. Given their malicious agenda, we’ve simply got to be better.
Thanks for the chuckle.
You know that’s right. Isn’t that one of the reasons for the end of the VN war? Too many body bags coming home.
Well maybe not overnight but not 100 years either which is the rate we are going.
Glenn has not been late on the issues that are his specialty.
Being dense & late on the issues that are Krugman’s specialty is what I have against him. And at the meeting I attended where he spoke several months ago, he actually mentioned that he was astonished that the 97% (he didn’t use the #, but that’s what it is according to a survey of AEA) of economists weren’t speaking out against the neoliberal policies they disagreed with.
Exactly. Just because we follow politics doesn’t mean that everybody does. There are tens of millions who vote out of duty but do so entirely reflexively either out of partisan habit or out of pack mentality. A lot of people voted Republican in 2010 because the media kept talking about what a shellacking the Democrats were going to take. They wanted to be on the side of a winner. And tax breaks for the rich are all well and good…until people start paying 6 dollars for a gallon of gas and five dollars for a loaf of bread.
I think the political dynamics were different then though.
Oh, I’d say the pace has picked up considerably in past few months, and if it takes a hundred years it takes a hundred years.
Yup. Here’s the scoop on Wisconsin recalls (Thanks to Wikipedia).
Krugman can be too much of a dem whore for my taste. But im glad hes for the most part on our side.
Fortunately we’ll all be dead by then. SO i guess it doesnt matter how long it takes. :-)
M’eh. I still say he’s needed. But I respect your opinion of course. :)
He deserves contempt.
I disagree, eCAHN. Vigorously disagree.
But that doesn’t matter. SOMETHING will set the people off and change those dynamics.
Ya as much as i have issues with Krugman hes one of the few out there that tell it like it is. WHich is refreshing.
I hope. And hopefully sooner then later.
The Emancipation Proclamation was issued in 1863. The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. I’ve been struggling against the status quo for close to 40 years and there haven’t been a lot of bright spots in that time. When I’m gone or no longer able to fight there’ll be somebody to take my place.
Gots to get ready to save the world, one loaf of bread at a time. I calculated that I distributed around 400 loaves yesterday. Ta, all.
We’re the canary in the coal mine, face it. We pay attention so they don’t have to. It’s up to us to keep doing so and to keep trying to call attention to it. I know it gets frustrating but it isn’t unique to this time or this society.
Krugman like so many others left of center, believe that the basic system can be made to work with some regulation and enforcement.
But we’ve gone past that point, and have laws legalizing bribery and as a nation we worship wealth and protect those who have achieved it.
The left is now quite disabused of the notion of reforming the system… the pendulum thingy. It won’t be swinging back. The oligarchs won everything. They own or can buy the government and its policies… they own the media to put out propaganda and poison minds, and re write history and current events to fit their fantasy… they control energy, food, jobs, banking and have turned the US into a huge plantation.
Time for a slave uprising.
Good on you demi! (((Have a great day of it)))
LOL! I guess. Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing. Although its certainly how its working for me with dealing with non profits and technology actually.
Thanks. I’m mentally preparing for the diary I’m going to do for Food Sunday. Putting a face on poverty.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,483
US KIA Irak: 4,439
Iraki, Afghan and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2011: 6,820 and counting
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
New post up top…
Well i didnt and dont mean that im hoping for perfect tomorrow. What i meant is theres some trully heiness ideologies running amuck right now and the sooner they end the better.
Can’t wait! :)
If you’re satisfied with crumbs, then crumbs are the most you’ll get.
Oops wrong thread.
True. And i guess alot of people are satisfied with crumbs.
LOL! Its still apt to this thread though. :-).
I am in your camp. He has danced through all the neo-liberal denial hoops and knows the final leap from evolution to revolution quote “Baghdad to Madison” may put him on the wrog side of the Rubicon with his career and the PTB.
I was also pretty disgusted with his Nobel speech which was: U.S. econ development in 19th century took place along the RR lines. That’s it!
Not sure whether you were around in 12/08 when 3 of us on book salon with him argued strenuously against his defense of O’s economic team.
And the 3 of us (me, Hugh, selise) got roundly criticized by other FDLers for daring to stand up to and criticize the expert.
I believe that the governor hasn’t been in office long enough to be recalled–seem to recall reading that can’t happen before he’s in for a year. Some of the republican state legislators are eligible though.
I agree -
I rarely disagree with eCAHN – but do on this – Krugman is solid – just too polite.
And I fear I also do not see how there will be change – the media has sold out – voices against the rich, even at 100,000 strong are equated to 800 bussed in Tea Party folks.
There can’t be a law against collecting signatures on a petition, can there?
Coming late and someone may have already answered this, but there is a definite timeline and procedure for recall petitions. Here in CA you have to draft the petition in a certain format, get it approved as to form by the appropriate supervisor of elections (County Clerk, Sec of State, whatever), then you have to publish it in a newspaper. Then (most states) the target of the recall gets to have their response (in CA, 200 words) added to the petition. Only then can you start collecting signatures and you have a specific window in which to get enough qualified valid signatures.
I imagine that most states have similar regulations. And I’m pretty sure the law says that you can’t start the recall process until someone has been in office a year.
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