Call him Stossmael. Or just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, a tale of a frightful twit, a wingnut with a sad porn-’stache, talking goofy shit.
John Stossel
Is Seasteading the Future?
For those of you unfamiliar with the concept of “seasteading,” this would be the genius libertarian idea where libertarians finally flee the horrible oppression that is the capital gains tax and decide to go live in the ocean where they establish an aquatic Galt’s Gulch and with any luck whatsoever all get eaten by sharks, who then proceed to poop out libertarians, in the manner of of a University of Chicago of the Bounding Main or similar.
Anyway, Stossel tells us what you should do with a wingnut sailor:
Here’s a novel idea: Escape the suffocating chains of intrusive government by starting your own country!
That’s Patri Friedman’s idea. He comes from an impressive line of libertarian thinkers. Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning free-market economist, was his grandfather. His father is David Friedman, author of the libertarian classic “The Machinery of Freedom.” Milton Friedman advocated severely limited government. David Friedman thinks we need no government at all. And now Patri believes he has an effective solution to bad government: communities on the ocean surface, or seasteading.
The fourth generation will advocate puddles, and the fifth will brag about how there are unregulated default swaps in its petri dish. Arr!
Anyway “Petri,” or whoever, ultimately wants to inspire swarms of idiots to go live on the Sad Sore-Asso Sea:
Friedman doesn’t expect lots of people to drop everything and start living on the ocean immediately. He writes in the upcoming issue of The Freeman (thefreemanonline.org): “Technology, though, has the potential to make the ocean a feasible alternative for more people. Early pioneers will learn lessons that will make life on the ocean easier, thus prompting previously unwilling pioneers to make the move. Over time, the costs in comfort, safety and access to civilization will fall and the ocean will be just another place to live. This is the path we see on any frontier.”
Stossel says “I will not be among the first to move to a seastead,” which is rather a pity.
Could you assholes please just Go Galt already? Could you kindly discover your Randian pineapple under the sea? Or at least just collectively go stick your heads in some very cold saltwater for a sustained period of time? Go sail away! Go sail away! Go sail away before on your heads I pee!
Because back here on land we recognize that the combined piracy of “the freebooter market” and “Teh Government” is precisely what’s fucking us over with a salty octopus, and what’s killing us is the impossibility of making any of these fuckers walk the plank.



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thers!
I’d suggest they establish Galtonia on Gleise581g. It’s only 20.3 light years away and probably exists, even if it hasn’t been confirmed yet. I’ll bet you can pick up a space shuttle cheap…
(this comment should be in no way interpreted to mean that I believe it’s possible to reach another star system with a space shuttle or indeed any technology available to us. I wouldn’t normally point that out but after the last couple of days of everything that I type being taken so seriously, I thought it best to be safe and write a disclaimer)
THERSday!
The sooner these whackaloons and their deranged economic theories go Galt, the happier I will be. I actually applaud this current idea and will gladly sell them a leaky boat cheap.
stairway to gilligan’s island
Any way Ayn Randy, she was a fine girl, and what a good wife she would be — and she says that your true life and your lady, is the sea!
Outstanding!!!!
LOL
LOL. I was not taking you all that seriously last night and apologize if it seemed that way. Some days I just have a harder time turning off the pedantic mode than others.
Does this make Waterworld the new Atlas Shrugged? I’m not sure “Go Mariner” (Kevin Costner’s character) is as catchy, though.
*whew* Well that’s a relief at leasr. But it’s not just you. It seems to be something that has gripped this blog lately and I’m being asked to defend every comment I make like I’m making some kind of scientific pronouncement. I guess I’ll have to go back to snark tagging things.
Tell Friedman he should just leave his brain to science: the sooner the better.
Danke!
The scope of seagoing jokes is, er, boundless. I was really trying to get in the Waterworld pee-drinking stuff, but you can’t have everything.
Odd isn’t it that Ms. Self Reliance and Personal responsibility killed herself slowly by chain smoking and then turned to society to cover her medical and living expenses? How typically Randian but I guess her followers had to get it from somewhere.
Yea…! Salty Galts…! Just don’t send them my way, there’s enough trashy flotsam in the Pacific already…! ;-)
Not at all odd. Most Libertarians, especially of the Randian variety, are simply self absorbed sociopaths.
Spongebob – They do exist!
Friedman – He does exist!
“Salty Galts” is excellent.
I think, should Galtian jaggoffs choose to pursue this path, they should be forced to live only in the Gulf of Mexico. That way, they can act as an organic storm break and be forced to live off the pollution their philosophies created.
That is the one downside to this whole proposal. One can hardly fathom the potential havoc wreaked on the marine ecosystems by such a concentration of toxicity.
The funny thing is that some of the Galts will inevitably want to be “in charge” so the rest of them will eventually have to move on again to get away from the “tyranny and oppression”. What’s a Galt to do? And think about the Galtlings.
I’ve always said that to be conservative, one must be a little bit of a sociopath.
Yanno, I don’t think it’s actually that weird.
Rand was raised with servants, and it didn’t bother her a bit to have servants at her end. It was just about the justifications IMO.
With the self-subsistence ideology, you’d think they’d have to develop a way to reproduce asexually before having galtlings.
Hilarious Thers, thank you!!!
: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4YpOclKmLs !!
Man… Shane McGowan was sure one ugly dude. You’d think that show biz $$$ could pay for some dental implants.
actually, this would be one of the libertarians more feasable ideas and I for one am willing to help them in any way i can, if they will actually get in their criscrafts and shove off. this idea is way more supportable than most libertarian postulates, such as the doctrine of “rational self interest” supporting (some libertarian concept of) a civil society. at least it can be demonstrated that water will support a boat. this is also a frank look into the bong fuled libertarian fantasy world. maybe a libertarian marine colony would look something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksbn9ClHOss&feature=related
The Galts want to be free with what army to protect their wealth its not like any of them will serve.
At sea, the captain’s word is law. How are the glibertarians ever going to escape big government with that kind of precedent?
The Galts want to be free of government regulations I hope they like 35% beef Taco Bell.
a little bit?!!?!?
So, the Clearances really are their model.
They are starkers.
Didn’t Megan McCain say something about going Gault I wonder if she, Stossel and Patri know there Hero is based on a serial killer?
What can I say? I’m a kind and generous, non sociopathic) person. :)
I am thinking a bit more Lord of the Flies with a side of Somalia.
Okay, I used the wrong word. I’d change it from “odd” to “ironic” if I could.
Margaret is trying for British understatement tonight.
I think they sell that at KFC.
And doing it quite well, I must say.
Douglas Adams would round all these losers up with the rest of the Phone Sanitizers and put them on the “B” Ark to somewhere else (course in that story, we’re all already here).
No – let’s go with HYPOCRITE!
As long as I don’t get enormous teeth from it….
I believe it is on the bargain menu at Mickey D’s.
I was going to suggest that they set up shop in the Pacific plastic dead zone.
Egypt must have the Gaults worried they are after all the rich Elite which has been investing overseas to avoid Government regulation in America. Any bets the higher food prices that helped spark Egypt’s revolt is also hitting all the low wage countries the Gaults have been outsourcing our jobs too?
Too bad America is involved in two wars and can’t send in the Marines to defend American business interests abroad.
Freedom is on the march because America is to busy fighting other wars to march just look at how many South American countries have gone left because we are to busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Works for me. I was using that word earlier with a commentator calling him/herself “becomingjohngalt”. I actually got modded! Yikes! D-:)
Considering the pair-o-docs @ 34 and 36 – TURN UP THE VOLUME! LOL!
Slap some plywood down and you can build a house there :D They can live in the filth they’ve created.
They would certainly feel right at home there.
Compared to Prince Chuckie, no one would ever notice…
In 2050 the rich went galt out at the ocean leaving their mansions and businesses to their parasitic lessers.
In 2055 after a short term of chaos, people learned to work together instead of perpetuating the capitalist “ass**** conga line.”
In 2056, the rich realized that they were stranded out to see with overbearing sociopathic assholes and tried to come back to the mainland.
When they approached the mainland they were pushed back by a long long pole.
The rich insisted on returning to land and ridding the world of the peace that socialism brought.
The rest of the world heard their ideas and gave them a viking funeral while they were still alive.
“pair-o-docs”…. You’d better be grateful we’re not in the same state…
You mean this Prince Chuckie?
You’ll have to slap Teddy first, me after…heh
Spongebob and Patrick will not be pleased to learn of their new neighbors.
I didn’t know Chuckie married Eyore. Is that prince Donquix-Ote?
Speaking of annoying parasites, I get to lecture tomorrow on dating the loss of body hair in humans by the divergence of human pubic lice from gorilla lice (yes I did say from gorilla lice, not human head or body lice).
Every Galt is a Captain unto himself, dontchaknow.
Or so they keep saying.
I can just picture some libertarian lecturing Spongebob on “shared sacrifice” while using the little yellow guy to scrub his libertarian genitalia :(
Squidward will welcome them with open tentacles though.
“Watershit Dumb.”
Humans are only 7000 years old, Doc. How do you explain that?
Otters everywhere both thank and revile you. :)
punaise would be proud :)
STOP! LOL!
All of those first American colonies where everyone wanted to look for gold but nobody wanted to work so when winter came the first year they all almost starved I think is what Galtopia will look like if history repeats itself.
By telling them that they need to find a more reliable source of information. I let it be know up front that I will not debate any creationist nonsense in my class, which is social science not theology.
Hey! Revenge is meant to punish
Well played, sir.
They just don’t seem to understand why that’s a problem.
You forgot the part about all the settlers being useless aristocratic twits with no useful skills. Another perfect fit.
I thought they were already planning and acting on it. What with all those billion dollar yachts that can stay at sea for a year at a time, what are they waiting for?
I like you without snark tags . . . let ‘em worry, you just smile knowingly.
*G*
6.014 last October 23rd actually but who’s counting?
The other thing? I’ve been roaming around the mounatins here in CO for fucking EVAH. Never found Galt’s Gulch.
Aspen, yes. (ptui!)
Good plan. I’ve never encountered much of a problem, perhaps because creationists tend to avoid courses that might challenge their doctrine…but I figure if they are there, they may as well learn what they’re so determined to “refute.”
The B Ark again.
Thers, one of yer best yet . . . n there’s so MANY of yer best . . .
Other in Waterworld, which dutiful Pups covered immediately, you got it all.
I’ll be laffin for daze, as I sing Suz vid for Stairway To Gilligan . . .
What a crew this place has . . . ‘to the oars!’
Every age has its Gaults now if only we had a new country or planet with gold on it to send the Gaults too.
Has anybody walked out when you state that…?
Definitely candidates for the B ship. Take the phone sanitizers off and put the Galtians on.
Only this time we refuse to send them slaves or servants.
Only The Lonely.
OK, time holds me green and dying though I yawn in my chains like the sea. Niters, me hearties.
I do get them fairly regularly (even have one this semester who told me he does not believe in evolution). I just tell them that I do not care whether they believe it or not, but they still have to learn it.
g’nite thers
Ok, I guess I COULD sum up Thers info about Patri F, The Stousted Stache ad all, with this.
Just Another Dream.
*maydawgblesskpiginitsheyday*
No, though I phrase it a bit more diplomatically in class.
Har! Shiver me timbers and other pirate jargon matey! Avast ye galtian nightmares or something.
Ha! They will soon find out they are as useless as barnacles.
Niters.
Aloha, Thers…! Mahalo for another excellent post…!
Aaargh:
DrDick in class: “Shut the fuck up about creationism! It’s bullshit and I don’t want to waste my time or yours discussing bullshit”
Oh wait, that’s why I’m not a professor…
One would hope, at least, that they would see the merit of understanding the “enemy.” But most of these people seem to think they will be contaminated by mere contact with the actual arguments of evolutionary theory.
Row, row, row yer boat–gently out to sea.
merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a Friedman dream.
It does rather mystify me that these folks would take an Intro to Anthropology class in the first place.
Yep Crony Capitalism works only if you have a host body to suck the life from the Galts if left alone will all try and sell each other ponzi schemes instead of getting food.
I would call that monologue well within the bounds of academic freedom.
Every time I get into a discussion about evolution vs creationism, I start by discussing the difference between science and theology and usually finish by pointing out that gravity is also ‘just a theory” and inviting them to climb onto the nearest tall building and jumping off if their opinion of the validity of theory is so low.
Maybe the college course description needs to be more clear?:)
“We are all Nigerians today.”
Hey, hit the Magic 100!
It accidentally proves my argument about libertarians.
The government provides services, and you pay for them. If these libertarians think they can get a better deal elsewhere, they’re free to leave. But where would they go?
There’s no place that offers a better return on tax dollars than the USA. And they know it — if they want an even better deal, they have to seastead.
Anybody who earns a million dollars a year, or is worth a million dollars, should thank the US for making their wealth possible. They’re not rich despite the government, they’re rich because of it.
One can only wish the doubters would test mere “scientific theories” more often.
M is technically correct. Only the top 10% linearly of the body needs to sociopathic, or by weight about 2% of the body.
That’s a little bit.
Maybe creationists’ thought processes need to be more clear…
LOL! I’m not buying any ponzi schemes. I much prefer food and the local heirloom varieties at that.
No more Koch eggs for anyone I know. Everyone is buying local farm raised fresh eggs.
When you get down to it, evolution is actually one of the least threatening things I tell them in this class (the gender and sexuality lectures are much more disturbing to their worldviews).
The universal antidote for, well, everything.
Jimi Hendrix
1983 Or a Mermaid I Shall Turn to Be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uBmCW9lZ_0
You know, I’ve guessed it must be that some of them just need the science credit in order to get the degree they are pursuing. I knew a UT student who was a creationist and was doing exactly that. Unfortunately he now has a teaching certificate and is teaching children somewhere in Texas now.
*heh* But I’m sure it’s not the route to tenure…! ;-)
Yeah, no takers yet but I look at it as a “win-win”.
That goes without saying:)
I can just imagine. It’s probably because it makes every modern American straight male absolutely nervous.
Good!
Well, no. It’s how you kick of the semester after you get tenure.
I’ve done a couple of college lectures on the subject of gender identity. It’s so very easy to identify the mundanes, (my word for them), by their expressions and questions afterward. I’ve had a lot of fun doing that kind if thing and made a buck or two. I wish I still got called to do that once in a while.
It threatens them personally Evolution, Creationism its hard to prove if you ignore the facts its much harder to ignore two people in love who are right in front of you.
Oh definitely. Intro to anth covers two gen ed requirements (cultural and historical perspectives and global and indigenous perspectives) and they loves them some double dipping.
I’ve run into a great many females who feel just as threatened.
Sure. But hordes of women wanting to kick the shit out of me have never been a problem for me. Now men on the other hand…
I make it a point in the lectures on marriage and the family to challenge their notions about what these institutions are and emphasize that they are everywhere primarily civil, not religious, institutions concerned with assigning particular legal rights and privileges. Have a whole section on unusual marriage arrangements (ghost marriage, Dahomey woman-woman marriage, Nayar “visiting husbands,” and the like).
Yeah, I hear you. I’ve got some broken ribs and at least one skull fracture to my name too.
I kind of sent one older VERY Christian woman over the edge last semester.
Ladies and Gentlemen – The Colbuffington Re-post!
WooHoo! That was your good deed for the day.
Speaking of which…
Civil unions bill wins final approval; awaits governor’s signature
Saw that today. Good on yall.
The second attempt… Last time, Linda Lingle vetoed it…! Now, it’ll probably be signed into law by Friday at the latest…! ;-)
It was sickening to see all the hate ads that was being run on TV recently against it…! F*ckers…
Going to bed folks. Thanks for the visit. Oya!
Thers, I always enjoy your posts, but this one is particularly inspired : )
g’nite margaret
Night! Think I will toddle off as well. Lots of young minds to corrupt tomorrow.
g’nite dr dick
Aloha, Dr. D and Margaret…!
Just skipping in folks! Hiya Pups.
hey ce — i think you are gonna like lln tonight
Hey! Super!
How are you Suzanne? Stressed, I”m sure right now.
i’m doing fine thanks — how’s your mouth?
OMG I’m SO pleased. All the pain is gone. I have a brilliant smile for the first time in years. Need to see my endodondist March 4.
excellent news ce!!!
Thers! You’re on FIRE!
Don’t stop now. :o)
Good work HI!
WI and HI, not a bad day today for we the people . . .
*G*
I dare to hope. Still. ;-)
The cleaning yesterday included scraping off 10 years of smoking. They removed all of it. Incredible.
Watchoo doin up this late hoss?
*G*
*wavesdobrotoTan’sbanjo*
What incredible news! Didn’t you have teeth pulled that need to be replaced?
Hey Larue,
Nice to see you dude!
Oh a horrible double root canal — Suzanne and I share a terrible history of rotten denitstry…
Thank you, Thers, for highlighting this nonsense “seasteading.”
Holy sh*t…
As Hillary Talks About Tolerating Free Expression, Police in Front of Her Brutalize Ray McGovern for Turning His Back
This is really shocking. He’s a great writer for Consortium. Why was what he did so wrong?
Citizen CTuttle:
Holy shit is right, Brother CT, I wish I wasn’t such a good prognosticator. The war is home now and our Middle East wars are gunna define our politics for the next couple a years…or as long as it takes before our standing military turns on the brass and comes home to help us with the Xe mecenaries. “HOLY SHIT” is not even the half of it…when Suzanne starts and I will give you folks my very biased view of what Madison looked like on the ground the last 2 days.
“Holy shit” ain’t the half of it…
am looking forward to your report norske
Ah, root canals . . . my bad. Glad to hear it’s better!
Norske…! It’s been too long…!
I eagerly await your post…!
This is beyond the pale . . . how fucking sad and wrong this is.
Escape the suffocating chains of government, Escape the suffocating chains of intrusive government, Escape the suffocating chains of intrusive government
Ear-lie in the morning!
such idiots…
Bioshock!
I have this fantasy of the most disturbing reality show of all. After establishing a government grant to take 20 libertarians (some of them prominent), drop them on an island, and film them trying to provide themselves with food, shelter and learn to build a boat off the island. IOW, lets see how self sufficient they really are, and how long it takes them to eat each other alive. The culmination will be the arrest of the survivor, since we will have had film of his various crimes in the name of survival. This will eventually be aired with appropriate demonstrations of how if they chose to work together, they could have survived, but they were done in by their selfish, self important natures. Afterwards, any time a Rand Paul starts in on the bull shit they are shown this (without the helpful demonstrations) and asked if he wanted to leave tonight or in the morning for the island.
On the Island of the Libertarians, the sole dentist ends up owning everything….
Exactly!! Bioshock and Bioshock 2. All you need to know about the consequences of LIEbertarianism in two great games.
But I thought they canceled the Bioshock movie.
..the city of Rapture was envisioned by the Randian business magnate Andrew Ryan, who wanted to create a laissez-faire state with no ties to the rest of the world to escape increasingly oppressive political, economic, and religious authority on land. The city was completed in 1946.
Someone needs to tell the right they are actually a parody of the right..