Sounds like Suleiman is positioning himself to crack down yet have the US support him on it. Foolish man! He doesn’t have to position himself. He knows too much. He could anything at any time and Mr. Looking Forward would be fine with it.

No, I think if Mubarak knows that if he uses the army to kill or violently beat peaceful protesters then our President will not support him and actively support the people. President O responded the same way when Iranian protesters were killed by the Iranian Army. The only difference is the two countries were already hostile towards each other and we were already pursuing sanctions instead of giving billions in aid, like we are in Egypt.

Makes me really angry that our administration is apparently supporting Suleiman. But it doesn’t surprise me one bit.

Caught a bit of a Hudson Institute program on cspan3 this morning. Speaker characterized Egypt as a disguised military coup as the military never wanted Mubarak’s son to take over & weren’t too pleased with Mubarak himself.

Thank you for the update, Rayne.

Good morning miss peg.

Suleiman can go with Hosni as far as I am concerned.

Morning Suliman: Protestors won’t be punished. Evening Suliman: Stop protesting or we will punish you.
Last week Suliman: Protestors will be punished with tear gas and bullets, then secret police and riot police will beat you and kill 300 of you. This week Suliman: Let’s talk.

Why anyone would speak to anyone in this regime is beyond me.

I hope the protestors hold out until this entire crew is forced to flee.

Isn’t the Hudson Institute one of the right wing belief tanks?

Yes, but it’s interesting to know the other side of the ‘belief’ structure.

O and his national security state of mind is caught trying to put lipstick on a pig.

They just can do the right thing because it’s not in their quiver.

Peter Hallward has an excellent essay up at the Guardian (Comment is Free section):
Egypt’s popular revolution will change the world

An excerpt:

For whatever happens next, Egypt’s mobilisation will remain a revolution of world-historical significance because its actors have repeatedly demonstrated an extraordinary capacity to defy the bounds of political possibility, and to do this on the basis of their own enthusiasm and commitment. They have arranged mass protests in the absence of any formal organisation, and have sustained them in the face of murderous intimidation. In a single, decisive afternoon they overcame Mubarak’s riot police and have since held their ground against his informers and thugs. They have resisted all attempts to misrepresent or criminalise their mobilisation. They have expanded their ranks to include millions of people from almost every sector of society. They have invented unprecedented forms of mass association and assembly, in which they can debate far-reaching questions about popular sovereignty, class polarisation and social justice.

Every step of the way, the basic fact of the uprising has become more obvious and more explicit: with each new confrontation, the protestors have realised, and demonstrated, that they are more powerful than their oppressors. When they are prepared to act in sufficient numbers with sufficient determination, the people have proved that there’s no stopping them.

Sybille this is the message of the departed Howard Zinn…. all change comes UP from the people, not down from the leaders.

Zinnism at work!

I think its safe to assume whatever ‘political entity will reach out to Suleiman to encourage him to back off’, it wont be our Admin, who together with Netanyahu seem just fine with elevating this torturer to oppress Egyptians for the next 30 years. Wonder if HIllary has opened up the sofa bed yet for the day when “good friend of her family” Mubarak will finally leave Cairo on his private jet.

The people do have the power everywhere worldwide, but are easily brainwashed by fear of dire threats from a few greedy bullies. When masses wake-up and hang in there, the Wizard of Oz scenario plays out. Go Dorothy.

Oh jesus h christ!

Cap the wages of the managerial caste!?

ARE YOU INSANE!?

Barry the bomber is going to be dragged into a room by his wall st masters and get his marching orders to start the drone strikes lest the managerial castes fortune be touched.

Yes, Howard Zinn is missed! I wish he could have seen the bravery and intelligence of the Tunisian and Egyptian uprisings.

I don’t know if you are familiar with Hallward. He’s a philosopher who has written about Haiti, amongst other subjects, and he’s translated the work of the truly great, radical French philosopher, Alain Badiou.

I’m suspecting something like this may occur…maybe not however. I think a lot depends on whether American media starts covering it again. So far this morning….crickets

Jane made some great points yesterday about Egypt and the Obama WH

Obama and the other phony Dems need US students to help them get re-elected in 2012. Obama can’t openly support Mubarak without pissing off his base of Student support in the US.

Obama and the other phony dems will do anything to get re-elected, most will throw AIPAC under the Bus to get re-elected, which is totally new in USA politics.

Sueliman has to be very careful, Obama if push will throw him under the bus.

(Hillary and Joe are probably hard at work for Israel trying to keep Mubarak in power, behind the scenes, this great news for Egypt, because OBAMA has failed)

The “right to self determination” for the Egyptian people thwarted at the behest of who? What are the chances Suleiman will unleash a wave of brutality upon the people of Egypt as the Shah or Iran brutalized the Iranian people via SAVAK, bought, paid and trained by the CIA, M-5 and Israeli intelligence?

Go ahead Suleiman. You will be signing your death warrant? America can learn some thing from the Egyptian people who seem to have a greater zest for life, than the dumbed down, limp dicked, viagra addicted individuals who, like the Silent Germans of a bygone era, bury their heads in the sand, because it is easier to be ignorant and drink the “juice,” offered by the likes of a virus, called G. Beck or corporate oil interests who have demonstrated time and time again their willingness to drive buses over people to protect cash flows at the expense of life!

I wanted to put something up today about Suleiman’s threat, because there are so many children in Tahrir Square and participating in rallies elsewhere across Egypt.

Their parents see this uprising as history in the making which their children should see and in which they should partake. Horrifies me to think that these children could be harmed because Suleiman is too stubborn and too addicted to power to find a way to move to a democratic Egypt.

And what harming these children would do to Suleiman and to the unrest across the rest of the middle east — it’s beyond ken.

It could also be (in my dreams perhaps)that Sulieman is waving an empty threat, knowing that if he should press his threat the army would come to pieces, if not unifiedly defy him, and that would be a clear indication of the fragility of the regime. It’s all very well to issue orders, but if they are not obeyed, and they would have to be obeyed across the board, then the position of the regime, particularly in Cairo, turns him into a cardboard figure. The one way Sulieman holds a trump card is that he alone seems to know what the situation really is.

I take the outrageous claims of the regime that there is foreign intervention, that there will be chaos if they leave, that the big bogey Muslim Brotherhood will create a Shia state (even though they are Sunnis), that constitutional law MUST be adhered to even though the constitution is designed to suit monareputlicanism – to be desperate moves from an emperor who truly has only his skivvies left.

And how about a few of Mubarek’s billions being recycled into shoring up stability for the metaphorical dikes along the Uprising of the Nile? Now, there would be a concession. Peace and pizzas. Don’t let him take those billions with him when he goes. They belong to Egypt.

Obama is showing such inept cowardice. The longer this goes on, the more exposed he is to the whole world.

Egypt’s bullies use fear of “Chaos” for their powerlock fearmongering. The more Suleiman talks about Chaos, the more Ordered the Protestors appear.

Such a parallel to the Bush/Obama “Terrorism”. Wonder if there is a word in Arabic – Chaosist?

Yeah, unfortunate the main-stream media seems to have been told to keep us in the dark as to what is going on in Egypt! I wonder why? Reminds me of Iraq war debate, and the medias great failure in that episode.

Shorter Suleiman: “Don’t make me hurt you!”

Suleiman is making threats. And, behind the curtain, he is also now still rounding up journalists and activists and protestors. Some are released immediately, some not. Some are just missing at the moment. The people released are reporting torture is happening in the jails. This was on Democracy Now this morning. These are people being stopped and taken by the military police either coming to or leaving Tahrir.

Of course, things could get much worse. I don’t put it past him. My guess is he’s probably trying to appear reasonable as he’s in line to replace Mubarek.

Thanks for the info. I was amazed to hear a couple of sentences about the protests still ongoing in Egypt this am on the radio (amazed bc the corp rightwing media in the USA has clearly been trying to downplay events over there). Sulieman is clearly as corrupt and complicit as Mubarak. US corp rightwing media trying desparately to paint a different picture of Sulieman, but really he’s just more of: meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

They all need to go. Power to the people!

Some good news Wednesday morning, to wit: protests spreading around the country, more workers going on strike, media reporters revolting and even reports of government workers walking out.This from AJ, McClatchy, NYT.

It’s beyond reason to suppose that Suleiman hasn’t benefited from his position as Mubarak’s right-hand man. And, that a quid pro quo between the two is out of the question should Suleiman suddenly control the country’s wealth. Even the fact that Mubarak seems satisfied with Suleiman’s take-over should be enough to make people on the street shout, “I smell a rat.”

Saw this quote from Suleiman: “the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorize the people.” Like the US politicians fearmonger here using wolf imagery.

Reach for the lessons the masked pass on

Seize tha metropolis

Its you its built on

Rage Against The Machine – War Within A Breath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJw4oUmK8SA

If the army cracks down on the Egyptian populace the US will once more be on the wrong side of history. It’s influence in the Middle East will not be worth a pinch of salt from now on. If it can’t keep out of the problem than at least let it support democracy, not despotism.