Those “concessions” apparently included an offer to relax restrictions on freedom of the press. The headlines didn’t mention that at almost the same time these talks were being held, Al Jazeera’s Cairo correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin was arrested by military authorities and held for seven hours.
In the U.S., both President Obama in his interview with Bill O’Reilly, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been making comments as conflicted as before. The Guardian described them as “Dithering White House All At Sea.”
Suleiman has issued a statement on the meeting which Emptywheel analyzed earlier here:
In other words, having redefined the protests as the direct cause of the breakdown in security (even quoting Hosni Mubarak’s February 1 speech that did the same), Suleiman has all but promised to use the emergency law to prosecute those who caused that breakdown in security.
It will not be surprising to see Suleiman’s claimed agreement with the opposition to be used as justification for clearing out the demonstrators who refuse to go along and already on Sunday evening, there were signs the military may attempt to regain control of at least part of Tahrir Square.
8:52pm Reports of human chains created to block the army tanks from entering the Tahrir Square.
7:50pm Reports of gunshots fired by army into the air near the cordon they set up inside the barricades, near Egyptian museum.
Protesters clashed with army as they try to confine space available to protesters with barbed wire.
As has happened throughout the past 13 days, no one seems to be listening to the people in Tahrir Square and throughout Egypt who are still in the streets. They are not agreeing to the Suleiman/Obama-Clinton scheme and they really don’t like Suleiman:
“If Mubarak is still president, nothing will happen. If he will leave, then Omar Suleiman, no problem if he meets our demands,” said Amr Mahmoud, who has spent 12 days in the square with his wife, Reem. “But Suleiman was part of the old system. We want a new system.”
“Why does America want to work with this man?” asked Mahmoud. “He has not been good for Egypt. He has not been good for us. He has served Mubarak and he has served America. We do no trust him and if they have chosen him, then we do not trust America. We will stay here until we get what we want.” . . .
[More after the jump]
From Al–Masry Al-Youm:
Leaders of numerous youth organizations, calling themselves the Coalition of the Angry Youth Uprising, announced at a press conference today that they would not negotiate with the Mubarak regime until their demands for the president’s ouster were met.
The group, which includes the 6 April protest movement, Young People for Justice and Freedom and the Muslim Brotherhood’s youth wing, insist that the activists who met with newly-appointed Vice-President Omar Suleiman on Sunday did not represent them or those now in Tahrir Square.
“The people who negotiated with Suleiman only represent themselves. All the youths organizations are united in their position–no negotiations until Mubarak’s departure,” says 6 April leader Ahmed Maher…
Activist Shady al-Ghazaly Harb says that the agreement reached by those opposition representatives who met with Suleiman failed to meet demonstrators’ minimum demands.
Activists, meanwhile, maintain that no one has the right to convince those now in Tahrir to leave–except through the realization of their demand for Mubarak’s resignation. “The millions in the square don’t belong to anyone. If any organization withdrew from the streets right now, it would be their loss,” says one activist.
Maher says unknown people are appearing on television to speak on behalf of the youth organizations, while the regime has made it impossible for the media to reach actual members of these organizations by confiscating phones and detaining activists.
“Someone who is responsible for killing 300 people and hurting another 3500 can’t stay in power,” says activist Zyad al-Eleimy. “There are now 4000 families who have a personal vendetta against the regime. Mubarak must leave to preserve national stability.”
…Maher insists that, if Mubarak refuses to step down, the Tahrir Square protests would continue, and young people would take further escalatory measures.
The Muslim Brotherhood also reject the Suleiman “agreement:”
“We cannot call it talks or negotiations. The Muslim Brotherhood went with a key condition that cannot be abandoned … that he [Mubarak] needs to step down in order to usher in a democratic phase,” Abdul Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a member of the MB, told Al Jazeera….Fotouh described the meeting as testing the waters for what concessions the government was prepared to make.
He said he “did not see any … seriousness so far. They [the government] have failed to take concrete measurement on the ground. “If they were serious, the parliament would have been dissolved, also a presidential decree ending the emergency law”.
… He asserted that the organisation was not prepared to step back from its demand for Mubarak’s departure, saying that if it did, the move would be a “betrayal of the martyrs who have died in the these protests”.
From all reports, spirits in the square are good and the people have no intention of giving up or accepting half measures. In fact, here’s a video of how people are ushered out of the square when they need to temporarily leave:
On the way out of Tahrir square, this is how goodbyes are said.
Translation:
We’ll come tomorrow
And bring our friends
And after tomorrow
We’ll bring our neighboursSee you tomorrow!



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Just a matter of time before one of two things happens here. 1. The Army settles it’s split and takes action one way or another. 2. Mubarack is replaced. As for the demands of the street as we say in NJ fougitaboutit! In Egypt like everywhere else power grows out of the barrels of who has the guns and the demos. have nada. The Army will decide who sits on the throne in Egypt.
Egyptians should take a page from Mr. Bipartisan. Today he will be making “concessions” to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Awesome.
Cheney said Mubarak is a good guy, so Obama switches to supporting Mubarak. No surprise there.
Thank you Siun for more excellent reporting. As Bob Woodward acknowledged on one of the talk shows yesterday Suleiman and his intelligence/torture apparatus is CIA “bought and paid for.” He is our go to man. There is a lot of outrage ahead. But I have to say I am so impressed with what the demonstrators are saying and the depth of their grasp and commitment. Obama and media denial and cover-up won’t work.
hopey-changey has no interest in democracy, whether in Egypt or here in the US. Big business and the rest of the PTB want stability so they don’t have to worry about giving up their place at the trough to suck up tax payer dollars. The WH will gladly help orchestrate the Egyptian moves to regain complete control, and will then go along with them as representing the “will of the people,” and a seamless transition to “democracy.”
Yeah, I don’t think “concession” is the right word for making Mubaraks’ torturer in chief even more powerful. I’ve always thought that must be some kind of disconnected western
spinbullshit.Obama kissed O’Reilly’s ass yesterday and today he goes to perform fellatio on big business. I guess that will leave Tuesday open so he can provide Mubarak with some sweet lovin’.
You have a wonderful way with words Margaret. :-)
Well, O’Reilly is such a big ass I guess the only option is to kiss his ass.
I was thinking the same thing!
Obama love from Russ Douthat in today’s NYT.
You’re so unfair. This is a big ship. It takes a long time to turn it around (the fact that the rudder’s been welded to full steam ahead is beside the point). /s
Thought everyone would find this interview engaging.
A snip:
A kiss from Douchehat is the kiss of death.
What’s not to trust? After all we’ve done for you? Here, take these great new touchscreen Diebold election systems for your brand new democracy as a token of our good will. /s
All that is left is for Obama to give the Keynote speech at CPAC. I hear there is an opening.
That might get some of those anti gay deserters back. You know how they love “ex” gay hypocrites. Perhaps that will extend to pantomime “fierce advocates”.
Obama/Clinton/Mubarak/Suleiman: I spit in your general direction.
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries…
Don’t let up. You are on a roll.
I bet the reason our government mouthpieces can’t seem to achieve any coherence on this issue is Isreal hasn’t told anyone what to not say yet.
They must be getting antzier over there.
;) I’m channeling a camel..they are at least on location.
They speaketh with fork-ed tongues.
Yesterday I watched the chilling interview between Christiane Amanpour and Sulieman. He told her that the protest was not the young people’s ideas. “It comes from abroad.” When she asked him what message he would give to the young people, he said, “We can say only ‘Go home… back to a normal life. Go to work. Bring back the tourists…back to a normal…bring back the economy.”
“Bring back the tourists”. Sounds like “Go shopping.” This cold blooded cluelessness is mind blowing. We have market manipulations of commodities. People are spending all their money just to feed themselves. (Poor people spend 60% to 80% or so on food.) There are no jobs for these young people, not even as service workers in hotels. The banksters have looted the place. Read Ellen Brown’s “The Egyptian Tinderbox”: How Banks and Investors are Starving the Third World.” http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/egyptian_tinderbox.php
It is always on the weekends that I realize how implacable our overlords are. They will lie and lie and the media licks their boots. And yet they face a chaos of their own making; it is hard to understand.
I suppose they feel obliged to support Sulieman since that way lies future world court prosecution for all our fine dandies in office. Nothing they attempt at this point can hide the crime. The world is watching.
Hopefully, everyone has been to The independent to read Robert Fisk news article about our envoy Wisner. We all knew this administration represented the wealthy, I had no idea they were sending in Lawyers of the wealthy to represent us, Oh that’s right they do not represent us.
Obama and the powers that he represents have already decided, it is just a matter of how they do it.
There was no switch, he supported him all along.
I wish I could beleive that. This is not about Obama, it is about the powerful he is representing. ckeck out Robert Fisk, his article marvels at how our journalists did not report the truth about their envoy Wisner. It will be interesting to see if that truth gets out of Europe. Do we have even one journalist that will report it?
I hope so
This is my day to be optimistic. We can hope. They remind me so much of the followers of MLK and his movement which I watched evolve and in whole succeed. The ideas are still out there to the point the GOP tries to co-opt them.
thank U Siun
the CIA and Sueliman still think the majority of the World is dumb as the Tea Party.
Good job people of Egypt!
Keep Fighting!
Obama will soon Cave, he always does!
He just always seems to cave the wrong way. I hope they keep fighting no matter what Barryco does. It is their fight.
That article you quote about protests in Gaza and Hamas arresting people is just really fishy weird.
Try this one:
West-Backed Palestinian Security Suppressing West Bank Fervor over Egypt Protests — The European-trained Palestinian Special Police Force has become a leading security apparatus in the West Bank.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/02/07-1
Let’s hope the army chooses to defend the protesters and democracy when Suleiman issues the order to clear the square.
Yes Barryco, does always cave the wrong way.
the CIA is probably calling this the EGYPTIAN JOB
Mubarak = Sueliman
in the USA the CIA calls this strategy the CON JOB
BUSH = OBAMA
the people of Egypt need to learn this simple, truth the WORD CHANGE when OBAMA uses it = STATUS QUO.
If the uprising does not prevail, and there is a “stable transition” under Suleiman, as Washington seems to want, how many of the protesters will be marked for execution afterwards?
I suppose many are actually betting their lives on the outcome, and not just day-to-day.
Recall that Hillary already checked in with Germany on this:
“Merkel Makes Euro Indispensable Turning Crisis Into Opportunity” (Feb. 4, 2011)
“West Backs Gradual Egyptian Transition” (Feb. 5, 2011)
Hey at least the Eqyptians are getting a taste of “change” Obama style.
The concessions, while meaningless, are nonetheless significant in that they show that the government is concerned that momentum is on the protesters’ side. I suspect that the Mubarak government will start with the least threatening demands and hope to peel off a portion of the protesters who will want their lives to get back to normal. The discipline of the demonstrators and the support of people outside the demonstration venues will be critical to whether Mubarak actually has to go. There are seven clearly stated demands by the protesters. Number 1 is that Mubarak step down; that will be the last of the demands to be granted–if at all.
BTW, the World Social Forum is going on in Dakar, Senegal right now. It is probably more important to follow this than the champagne party in Davos last week.
I guess you’re making my point better than I was. I was trying to hint that Israeli meddling and provocateurs are to be expected.
After–what?–nearly two weeks of protests, and the tyrant has not been frog-marched out of Cairo? Hmm, this doesn’t seem good to me. The army, being an instrument of the state, will break on the side of the state, I’m afraid, and forcefully disperse the protesters in the name of stability, law and order. The rebellion will be crushed, unreported executions will follow, and Obama and Clinton will be pleased to have the satrapy back in control.
I hope to dog I’m wrong….
With few exceptions, the MSM headlines talk about Egyptian government actors offering so-called “concessions” without adequately explaining to whom they are being offered, why and as a result of what process. The establishment actions are always a responsible bid “to restore order”, which suggests that once order is restored, the concessions might be withdrawn, as King John withdrew those he made in signing the Magna Carta.
That coverage also rarely makes clear that it is the government actors, who claim to be seeking to restore order and stability, who created that disorder by causing mayhem and death.
Yes, that’s the crucial point isn’t it?
(Good to see you back.)
The removal of Mubarak is a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition for meaningful change. This shows that the protesters realize that clearly. They are not going to be as easy to con with meaningless cosmetic changes as the MSM seem to think.
The people in the Arab countries who have been educated, who are intelligent want to be free, and those too who have not been educated but know freedom is an innate right, want to be free. They do not want to war with Israel or anyone else for that matter. What they want is to be able to shape their own destiny, have freedom of speech and freedom to worship as they want. They want free and fair elections; they want work and to be paid a decent wage. They want to live without fear. They do not want war no matter what the fearmongers say. They want freedeom and they also want peace! They want what all of us want!
And yes, Obama and Hillary have to walk the middle path.