Eric Thompson and Jamie Dimon have something in common. Thompson runs TGSCOM,Inc., an on-line gun selling business. He sold guns to George Sodini, who killed three and wounded 9, then committed suicide in 2009 near Pittsburg; Steven Kazmierczak, who killed 6 and wounded 21 at Northern Illinois University in 2008; and Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 and wounded others, and committed suicide at Virginia Tech in 2007. In the wake of the Sodini shooting, he issued a statement, reading in part:
This event underscores the need for people to realize two important facts. The first is that no matter how responsive law enforcement is or can be, it is not good enough to rely upon for the safety of yourself or your family. The second fact is that you are legally responsible for your own protection.
They could have bought the guns anywhere, said Thompson, according to the New York Times.
“The firearms industry and firearms dealers are lambasted by the media and by politicians all the time, and very often nobody stands up and says, ‘Hey, we didn’t do anything wrong,’ ” Mr. Thompson said. He said he was “being penalized by doing a good job and employing a lot of people and selling sporting goods.”
Jamie Dimon is really upset about the abuse heaped on banksters. Dakine01 writes about a Reuters special report titled “Jamie Dimon wants some R-E-S-P-E-C-T”. The article says he is worried about his reputation. Dimon’s main claim to fame is steely determination to grab fee income for his bank. Dimon’s bank was deeply involved in mortgage securitization and derivatives, both of which played a big role in the Great Crash of 2008 according to the Final Report of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
In fact, in spending $5 million on lobbying firms last year, JPMorgan was far more aggressive than most financial firms in opposing several major elements of the financial reform bill, even as Dimon voiced his support for a system to wind down large banks and clear derivatives.
I’m sure Dimon and Thompson think they are fine upstanding people, men of character and morals, deserving of respect. Somehow, these personal characteristics aren’t enough to keep either of them from exalting money over the misery they cause.
By the standards of traditional ethics and morals, maybe they are. We are taught that there are eternal moral precepts, valid at all times and in all circumstances. In any situation, there is a single controlling principle, and the goal is to determine which principle, and how it should be applied. What is the eternal value applicable to the gun seller pushing guns or the banker pushing loaded derivatives?
In his book Dewey, A Beginner’s Guide, David Hildebrand discusses John Dewey’s view of morality. The assumption that a single moral precept governs every situation conflicts with what Dewey saw around him: change, conflict, and uncertainty. Dewey does not deny the existence of moral principles, or of moral values. He says that these principles come into conflict. In our case, I might see a conflict between the very moral goals of making money versus not causing huge damage to the rest of society.
Dewey teaches us to resolve these conflicts through moral inquiry, a process like the scientific process. We look at every aspect of the concrete situation, consider the responses of our predecessors, think about the nature of the moral precepts, and decide how to proceed. It is a slow and cautious process, because much is at stake.
Through the process of moral inquiry, we grow as humans. We learn to take more facts and people into account. We learn to take a more nuanced view of moral precepts. We learn about more complex ways to judge. We change and adapt our habits to a deeper awareness of the moral conflicts that situations present. The process changes us, because our choices influence our character, just as our character influences our choices. The process of forming these choices and creating new habits leads to growth of the self.
The alternative is to select one value and cling to it at the expense of all others. People refuse to look at competing moral principles and refuse to consider the demands other principles make on them. They ignore the factual complexities of the world around them, and focus more and tightly on a single goal. The result is that they do not grow as humans. Their choices lead to a narrowing self; they become crabbed versions of themselves. Hildebrand offers this example:
The arms dealer makes the world a more violent place in part by selling guns, and in part by becoming the kind of person willing to profit by the perpetuation of violence and war. His actions have bad consequences, but his character, too, can be denounced. Judged by his tendencies, he is marked by a deteriorating character, one whose actions and tendencies are increasingly in conflict with one another, or one whose conduct diminishes flexible interaction with others.
P. 92. Thompson and Dimon want respect, but they don’t deserve it. They lack character.





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The value is obvious: free market capitalism in pursuit of the dollar.
NIce read. Well done yet again Mas . . . thanks.
The free moral discussion and deliberation in society depends on a fundamental respect for all the individuals in the society and a fair system that allows everybody to have a chance to have his or her demands and wishes taken seriously. As in the theoretical model of the “free market” the market only works to balance out the best common good if there is an equality of power between seller and buyer, and open information available to everybody.
Once one group corners enough power to be able to overwhelm decision making process, and in that process manipulates the situation to accumulate even more power, and especially if that group gains control of the information apparatus to keep less powerful individuals and groups in the dark, I don’t know how to stop the process of further and further domination.
What can we do to break the power of money when it has bought control of the legislature, the executive and law enforcement, the regulatory authorities and even the courts? It is like living in a city that has been taken over by the mob. I am at a loss here. Seriously, what can we do?
Well done. Now, revisit Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments for only a slightly different take.
I happened to open a Bible to the chapter in Proverbs which begins with ‘The evil flee’, and has some other verses that pretty much describe Thompson and Dimon and their belief in their own rightness.
Probably they say to themselves, “If it wasn’t me cashing in on the misery of others, someone else would. So why not me?”
The Democratic Party has abandoned workers, as evidenced by its selection of Charlotte, NC for its convention. NC is the least organized state in the union, and there are no unionized hotels. This follows the selection of Denver. The DNC is openly dismissive of labor.
Maybe the unions can get together and start a Labor Party. I’d join the first day.
http://www.publicampaign.org is a peaceful way to address this.
A massive protest-cum-general-strike such as we’re seeing in Egypt is another.
English.Aljazerra site includes a piece, “NRA: It’s good to live like a king”, asserting the NRA represents gun manufacturers, not its its subscription paying NRA members. This sounds eerily similar to AARP, huh? http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/20112375421439250.html
Just beautiful, masaccio.
And I concur that the weapons seller and the derivatives poohbah have no character, or at least none that I would care to associate with.
My spouse is a life-time member of the NRA (since the 70s) and a former national marksman champ. His view is that the NRA was a great organization back in the 50s and 60s, and even the 70s. But by the Reagan era, in his view, the NRA became a pawn of munitions makers; many of them not US-based, some of them still in the US.
There’s a whole group of people who view guns as a form of craft; their families have handed down guns through generations, and they know all the history of a particular gun. But the things that were used in that Arizona shooting are completely senseless; no hunter needs those clips, and no sane, rational person would have those anywhere outside of a military war zone. Or that’s what I’m told.
Again, it goes back to making decisions and choices. If you are ruled by fear, then you are not going to make very shrewd observations or prudent decisions over the long haul. And you probably then will have less chance of trying to be a moral person, if (like me) you believe that ‘community building, empowering others’ are moral actions.
Ah, yes, liberal suicide instincts rise to the fore once again. Yeah, let’s turnoff a great big segment of the voting public — a segment that could and would support our campaign against the banksters — because we want to conflate firearms ownership or sales with mortgage fraud, foreclosure fraud, derivatives fraud, and pluocratic control of the republic.
Damn, that’s a smart strategy. (Everybody who thinks so might want to look at the 2000 election. If Gore carried one or two of the states turned off by the Clinton anti-gun campaign, fucking Florida wouldn’t have made any difference.)
Snap! Good point. NRA members don’t enjoy losing their homes anymore than anyone else, and I’m sure are mostly against the bailout of Wall Street. They just want to be able to keep their guns, and none of the crazies who blew people away in schools across the country or at a political meet-and-greet in Tucson were NRA members.
And yet, the latte’ liberals link gun ownership with bank fraud. Yeah, really persuasive(dripping sarcasm intended).
Addendum: It’s views like those expounded in the original post that fuel the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and, yes, Sarah Palin.
Stop it!
…well, the link I detected was between soul-dead gun salesmen and soul-dead bankers, but then I read the piece. (…and Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin are fueled by money, and nothing else)
Regardless of the link intended, or the link you recognized, the fact is, once a progressive group or candidate begins talking about infringing on the Second Amendment, lots of people who are distrustful of government (and rightly so) just tune out the rest of the argument.
Or put another way: ever wonder if the Iranian attempt at revolution a year ago would have been put down if the same percentage of Iranians owned guns as American’s do? How about what’s going on in Egypt? Regardless of whethr or not access to firearms by the public is an effective counter to professional military high-tech weaponry and training, as long as there is a perception that it is, that’s all that counts.
How can anyone be mad at a guns dealer when the biggest gun dealer is the US government? It’s practically enshrined in the US Constitution, the right to own guns and kill people, and both are done more in the US than any other nation.
as long as there is a perception that it is
well, I do agree that that is a perception.
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So you think gun owners are big fans of Eric Thompson? And you think a lot of gun owners are big fans of FDL?
And, of course, you think I’m wrong to analyze the utter lack of moral character in a guy who sells guns to mass murderers, and uses the occasion of deaths to sell more guns?
Do you think that’s how NRA members think? Could you be more patronizing?
I’m a big fan of the Second Amendment. I recognize that all those dead people, killed by guns are the price of liberty as fools define it. I don’t. And I don’t want to live in the Wild Wild West, dependent on my trusty side-arm or automatic rifle for survival. If that means I don’t get the support of people who want to live that way, what can I say?
Well said.
masaccio, for someone who has generally put together some of the more tightly reasoned posts on this site, I am sorry to say that this one is little more than one big non-sequitur. This is the kind of thing that only serves the purpose of chasing away many potential allies. The gun situation in the US has not changed in the US in a long time. Indeed, gun ownership is in the Bill of Rights. Limitless Wall Street fraud and the demented and psychotic GWOT have no such ostensible legitimacy. If you do not realize that you are chasing away allies, then you probably do not know enough gun owners. And what have you gained in return for this? Nothing really.
Despite having some good content, this site is constantly weighed down by a huge undercurrent of pure bullshit shillery designed to prevent progressives from ever doing anything but supporting the Democratic Party. And the shills play their little cliquish tyranny of the majority games to try and keep people in line. Just look at all the people who try and speak for the FDL community and tell the rest what “we” believe here. Now, I am not accusing you of that yet, but I do hope that you will realize that this post is at best a bad slip up from someone who usually makes quite cogent arguments.
Right on all counts.
Lemme see:
Eric Thompson is bad because he sells guns to mass murderers. Hmmm…did he know they were mass murderers before he sold them those guns? If not, then Thompson could be any — and every — gun seller. Therefore, gun sellers must be evil and should be outlawed.
If there are no more gun sellers, then who will have guns?
a) Those that already have them.
b) Those that get them illegally, through theft from existing owners, or those who buy imported guns in a black market like the drug market.
But that’s not fair, so how to do we rid society of guns?
We outlaw them. That’ll do it! Then we go confiscate all the ones we know people own (through sales records). (Surely, all of these people will give up those guns without argument.)
But then we still have to find all those guns that people have that we don’t have any records of them having. (And who might have refused or forgotten to cooperate with a mandatory demand to surrender said weapons.)
So we go house-to-house, store-to-store, office-to-office, farm-to-farm, factory-to-factory finding all those guns that were passed down from ancestors, found (left behind by previous homeowners, tenants, and those who died with no known relatives, discovered in abandoned storage lockers), and bought illegally on the criminal black market. This will require a thorough search of nearly every building in the country, not to mention the grounds and acreage surrouding those structures. Since we have to have search warrants, this will tie up enormous law enforcement and judicial manpower. In fact, only the military has the manpower to even attempt such a task. (Unless we want to bring in private military contractors like Xe to do it. Sounds good to me!)
And since many guns are little, the searchers will have to go through practically everything. Got any sexy lingerie you or your spouse might not want others to see? Maybe some porn to spice things up? How about some embarassing financial information. (Arrears on your credit card bills? Late on the mortgage?) What about psychiatric info — bills from your shrink that might be in the desk drawer, psych reports on your son or daughter’s mental problems, drug addictions? Or that receipt that’s laying around from the bail bondsman after you were busted for DUI or soliciting a hooker? Maybe you got some far left literature, or white supremacist shit? Or maybe you’re not quite a hoarder but you place is just a mess.
But we gotta do this, because guns are inherently evil, people who sell them are inherently evil, and the war on guns will be just sooo much more successful than the war on drugs.
Not.