I apologize to the entire world for the unconscionable behavior of my rep from Chester County PA.

Conservatism is a serious mental disorder.

Next time I see someone who needs CPR maybe I should ask, “Are you in favor of abortion?” and then see if I remember how to resuscitate.

Sure! Women are only reproductive machinery after all. I’m waiting for the bill that will deny women any health care at all after losing the ability to bear children. After all, what use are we after that goes away? Let’s save it for people that matter! You know, people with dicks. As we all know, giving a 90 year old a boner is the most important health care issue we face.

I’ve had a few friends with ectopic pregnancies, and one with a molar pregnancy, which is where the fetus, and therefore the mother, get cancer, and this just breaks my heart. I will pray that one day their hearts open to those they now view as “other.”

Horrified and Heartbroken,
Heather

But even if you adopt the premise that women have no value other than as baby factories… why would you let them die before they’ve attained their full babymaking potential?

I mean, if they value the lives of the unborn so much, shouldn’t they value the lives of the unconceived as well?

why would you let them die before they’ve fulfilled their peak babymaking potential?

In discussing social conservatives and their ridiculous viewpoints, it’s not realistic to invoke logic. After all, if they were rational, they would reject their own entire philosophy.

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America’s leadership. Sadly on display.

I am soooooooo confused. A woman cannot have an abortion to save her life because the baby that will die cause she has an abortion will die because she didn’t.

Besides, I did say after a woman loses the ability to bear children.

It is my belief as a woman, that no one, except the pregnant woman herself, should have any jurisdiction over either sustaining or terminating a pregnancy! No woman who has her own self interest at heart would ever vote for one of these ignorant politicians…whether the politician is male or female is immaterial…pregnancy is not the business of politicians, period! They use this issue as a smoke screen to appease their religious constituents while they spew their misogynistic rhetoric. Until a majority of women tell them that our child-bearing is none of their concern, they will continue to use us as their scapegoat to rally their cause. Come on women, tell them to butt out!

That’s right. It’s better to let them both die than to take the fetus.

Then it is better to let them STARVE in jobless, homeless, healthcare starved disgrace, than aknowledge there is a living human being.

Again, not realistic to invoke logic. The only thing I can think is that it’s okay to let the mother die with the baby because if she was truly pro life then she would never have allowed the baby the threaten her life.

Okay,I can’t even make anything up silly enough to match the premise of this bill.

So, what would Boehner do if his mistress gets pregnant?

Why do they make such a big fuss over a fetus when they ignore actual living, walking, talking human beings?

If a woman cannot decide to have an abortion, she doesn’t own her own body. That is the very definition of slavery.

Jon Stewart was spot on:
According to the conservatives, “We’ll take care of you from conception to birth. After that, you’re on your own”. But even that isn’t the truth because the conservatives love to butcher funding for things like family planning and pre-natal care.

Hi Eli.

Wouldn’t the bozos who wrote this legislation qualify as a death panel?

I’m with you. 100% Men wouldn’t like it if we studied their sperm and said we had to remove the sacs because they didn’t have a viable cell to propagate, or that they are emitters of cervical cancer!

I think we should start a campaign against boner pills. Seriously. By the time the vast majority of men become impotent, their spouses are beyond child bearing years, which means that they are having sex for *gasp* fun, rather than procreation. No boner pills for old farts.

There was a similar discussion here a few weeks ago about what practices will be given for end of life care, maybe ignoring patient rights to deny treatment, etc. Reading this post, the sane conclusion is that surely this stuff cannot be possible, no such bill would pass. Yes?

It is very scary that there can even be the conversation. And what are the numbers that the proponents are so often someone like Stupak or Pitts who indeed will never face the dilemma….they should not have “standing.”

Yes, a woman whose life is in danger should have the choice of abortion. But, at the same time the 15 year old with no future should also have the same choice. Bringing up the issue of a woman who has an obvious life threatening crisis facing her is missing the point that All Women Deserve The Choice.

Why yes. Yes they would.

See, I think that is the biggest beef they have right now. The insurance issue and who pays for it. Then again, they would have to do dicing and splicing to figure out medical stuff they have no buisness in to begin with.

I agree with that completely. But it is revealing to see just how far their anti-choice insanity goes, and how empty their claims to be “pro-life” truly are.

Yep…or at least get them off TV…

Yes, that too. It’s a tough issue to argue, isn’t it?

Hear hear! Please run for office.

I think someone should introduce a bill that states if you have sex with a woman outside of marriage, it’s an automatic 5 years in jail and if you get her pregnant it’s 10. Let’s see how men would like that.

Right? It’s madness! Women can’t be trusted to make their own medical decisions but I get treated daily to boner pill commercials, complete with synthetic soft core porn music.

and really, really bad production values.

As long as the baby is in the womb, it’s fine with them. When it’s born, they don’t care anymore.

Not to mention they are trying to re-define rape and this entire thing in Washington is sickening. Our country is broke, the people are job poor, and growing poorer by the minute while they stomp around trying to look like some theorectial little kings!

I doubt that even Mr. Bipartisan would sign this pos but I’m willing to bet it gets through both Houses of Congress.

Not really even then. Texas conservatives are set to gut prenatal care for indigent women.

Say no. Just say NO! That is the only thing they understand.

Well cialis may get a guy in the mood but one of those awful ads would get me out of the mood immediately if not sooner.

We need jobs, we get posturing and mendacity.

Ha! The republicans worked hard to get Medicare coverage for that stuff too! Bob Dole went all Brittany over his pills!

I’d support that, as long as they anti choice people are pushing shit like this.

Mr. Bipartisan signed off on the Stupak amendment.

Edited to add: while killing off several amendments that would have made HIR a much better bill.

And make believe scam at Planned Parenthood…what an inspiring point of view some folks have.

How would this not violate a doctors Hippocratic Oath?

Aside from that, aside from Death Panels, this is Sharia Leviticus in action.

Yep. And he can’t even switch hit. If his (artificially induced) boner outlasts his one good hand, he’s shit out of luck.

Well, my belief is If either partner says no, I don’t want to do this, and it happens anyway, it’s rape.

I’m hip. Scary, eh?

Very.

snort! Numbnuts.

Exactly. It’s the definition of rape unless we’re prepared to say woman are chattel property and not people.

Officially the funniest thing said on FDL except for the clown car riff on LLN four years ago.

How would this not violate a doctors Hippocratic Oath?

They’d just take a new oath: A “Hypocritic Oath” say…

Wow! That’s going back a bit. :)

I don’t remember the Tea Party groups pushing for this kind of stuff. I thought they wanted jobs and less spending.

Yeah but they’re stupid. They’ll lap it up. Anything to “get” the liberals.

What is it that the wingers have against women? They don’t even condemn their own people who have affairs, etc. but women have to be punished. Do they just hate women or are they afraid of us?

I’ve thought about that before. You don’t want me to tell you what I really feel.

Do they just hate women or are they afraid of us?

Yes.

I rarely comment on this issue anymore because women’s reproductive rights have been so completely steamrollered and destroyed with so little political opposition that it’s just too dispiriting and upsetting.

Women less old and tired than me are simply going to have to fight and win this battle all over again. If they care enough about their freedom. I wish them anger, that’s about all I can say.

The teabaggers need to be proud of their representation. I am ashamed that our legislative hours are being abused with little minds.

Don’t tell me it’s been four years. Time flies when we’re having fun. Or just busy with stuff. :)

It`s so sick.

That is an estimate. Could be more like three.

The Rs have no real plans for anything. They have never been able to do anything but start wars. With this issue they are feeding the looney base so that they don’t have to talk about jobs, wars, etc.

Gooperism is an ideology of exceptionalism – a divinely ‘sanctified’ belief system built on the assumption that ‘our’ way is the only ‘right’ way.

It’s static and un-changing.

It’s impervious to the facts and logic of an ever-changing world.

It starts with putting men in the one-up position and women in the one-down position, using Biblical support, and never lets the women be truly equal.

That’s what abortion is really about with them – it’s a display of male authority over women by controlling their bodies, plain and simple – which they claim is the will of God.

Logic just bounces off their severely over-hanging brows like an aluminum frisbee…

That’s who’s behind this ‘legislation.’

To many conservatives, Ross Douthat for example, sex is just icky and experienced under duress. For those that mature to adulthood, it’s still a base point for their attitudes. The other extreme is that sex is deliciously dirty, and is best engaged in with hookers while defecating into adult-size diapers, all while decrying the use of the missionary or doggy positions in private among mature consenting adulthoods in love or lust.

The political ground seems to be the cynics, who know how to enjoy sex (if not intimacy) and do so frequently, but view sex in the outside world as a tool, a simple set of emotions that can be viciously manipulated for electoral cash, power and votes.

And yes, the misogyny at the heart of many conservative views about sex would make St. Paul blush.

Logic just bounces off their severely over-hanging brows like an aluminum frisbee…

B.A.M.

No, I think more than three. I do. And some other weird image I hold in my mind from that thread. Something about a hallway. I’m fuzzy, but it’s something therein.

So they are mentally sexually retarded? Yeah, okay. I get that.

Or else they simply don’t care because they believe all women are that worthless and expendable, even their own.

You can Bank on that! If you are not a White male then you are nothing…Nothing at all!
Makes me disgusted at such small minded Christian men..

Well Daily Kos has been on this for a few days as well but no doubt should it pass and Mr. Bipartisan sign it, they’ll figure out why it’s a victory and the free world would have come to an end if he hadn’t or something.

LOL! Free world would come to an end. LOL! LOL!

Maybe we should start calling them the Cardinals of Carnage.

OT. Eli, please pardon the interruption but may I request that someone put up the graph over on the AJE liveblog (Feb. 5th, 4:52 a.m. time stamp), asap? : )

It is a comparison of AJE and Fox. Enjoy : )

Edited to correct: Al Jazeera, not just Al Jazeera English.

Ooo, nice.

Here is my proposal, and as a woman I can get away with it. As a way to counter this misogynous shit just quit having babies for a year, unless the biological clock is running out or some such. If the women of the world or U.S, just stood up and said no, our voices would be heard. If we aren’t feeding the status quo with future fodder, on multiple levels, this shit would stop.

Every single one of these people is a religious zealot. That makes them very, very dangerous and history shows that they can be very, very successful.

You must understand:

Organized . Religion . Is . The . Enemy . Of . Freedom

So given the choice between the life of the mother and the life of a fetus, the supposedly “pro-life” zealots are perfectly willing to let the mother die.

Maybe we should call this bill the Republican Death Panel?

Isn’t that just one of the best graphs ever? I hope it is seen far and wide : )

So given the choice between the life of the mother and the life of a fetus, the supposedly “pro-life” zealots are perfectly willing to let the mother die.

And given no choice between the life of the mother and the life of the fetus, they are evidently still perfectly willing to let the mother die. Culture of Life.

Good point. Probably should have said *false* choice…

Heh. Is that noise I hear Roger Ailes dropping his teeth?

I certainly hope so ; )

Maybe Murdoch’s colon will come up through his neck and strangle his brain! I doubt they’ll learn anything from it though.

The Republicans call for “no death panels” and then they offer up a change in the abortion law which would result in more deaths of otherwise healthy women of child-bearing age.

Republicans call for smaller government and then they try to force doctors to give up on their Hippocratic oath and all their education and committment to people’s health by taking away the requirement they protect the life of a woman who needs an abortion. Pushing their minority views on the health care community affects all of us — the majority.

Republicans who say they are “Right to Life”ers call for changes which will result in deaths. Don’t they see the incoherence of this?

Women must vote out those people to protect themselves. Nobody can know the views of a doctor when you have to go to a hospital unexpectedly. You don’t know if you’ll have a doctor you can trust if Republicans change the law to remove a doctor’s fundamental understanding they are to protect life.

Doctors are the ones for Life, Republicans not so much.

I suspect Mr. Adams would appreciate the borrowing.

In Georgia, if this guy has his way, there will be no rape “victims” just “accusers.”

But let’s keep fearing, hating, and killing all those brown fully growed people, right?

And putting them behind bars without trials?

And then praise God on Sundays, right?

Indeed. I would be interested in seeing what the coverage layout by insurance companies is for such ‘medications’, vs. that for planning and abortions.

A cursory look at online sources puts the annual US dollar direct cost of abortions at around $650 million, based on 1.3 million abortions at an average cost around $500.

It is difficult to find the numbers for annual consumption of Viagra, but the market in the first year was over $1 billion. Another quick look around finds an estimate that about 40% of prescriptions are covered by insurance.

So, a thumbnail sketch puts the out of pocket expense for abortion and ‘boner’ pills roughly equal.

Clearly NOT an issue of economics, for what it’s worth.

I, as you, feel that Congress has no business in restricting the subsidy or funding of PRIVATE insurance coverage for those who would contemplate an ENTIRELY LEGAL PROCEDURE!!! Where does the free market come in here? Hypocrisy much?