
Tahrir Square in Cairo this morning. (source: Al Jazeera via Livestation)
Tensions are mounting in Egypt:
About two hours before this post’s publication, six of Al Jazeera’s journalists in Egypt were apparently taken into custody by the Egyptian military, their equipment confiscated. Al Jazeera’s broadcast programming are still connected to several members of their team in Cairo, but they are not giving their names for security reasons.
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs P.J. Crowley expressed disappointment with this development by Twitter about one hour later:
“We are concerned by the shutdown of #Al-Jazeera in #Egypt and arrest of its correspondents. Egypt must be open and the reporters released.”
Al Jazeera now reports that their team members have been released but that their ability to report has been hampered by the loss of their equipment.
Additional media disruptions appear to be increasing; Al Arabiya’s internet-based coverage has been intermittent, believed to be due to heavy traffic volume, and cell phone service has been disrupted.
President Hosni Mubarak has sworn in a replacement government — not a new government, per se, since most if not all of them are members of the government stepping from a subordinate role to replace their now-resigned superior in the same department. Mubarak has also called on new Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq to begin talks with opposition groups.
Individuals inside Egypt are reporting that train service has been halted; it’s believed this is meant to deter attendance at a Million Man March called for by the April 6 youth activist opposition group. The march planned for Tuesday may include a general strike.
Foreign visitors have begun to leave the country via charter planes.
UPDATE – 9:45 a.m. ET – News site Al Masry Al Youm reports that opposition groups have issued a deadline to the Egyptian army to take sides before Friday; a march to the presidential palace in Heliopolis is being organized for the same day, beginning after Friday prayers.
We are all Khaled Said reports approximately 100,000 protesters have congregated in and around Tahrir Square in Cairo, in advance of tomorrow’s Million Man March. The photo provided at that site is rather poor, but Al Jazeera’s video coverage via Livestation.com appears to support the purported number.
UPDATE – 9:55 a.m. ET – Foreign Affairs magazine tweets,
Profile of #El Baradei: “a political entrepreneur who can exploit the gap between regime rhetoric & empirical reality” http://fam.ag/dO7Y06
It’s an interesting piece, not a clear endorsement of Mohamed ElBaradei as a potential leader. What’s of real value in this piece by Steven A. Cook for Foreign Affairs is the overview of the events which precipitated the current uprising. It may be beneficial to read Cook’s piece from March 2009 reviewing Bruce Rutherford’s Egypt After Mubarak, which discussed how Muslim Brotherhood, the judiciary, and business in Egypt may be able to work together to change Egypt.
Given the date of Rutherford’s book and Cook’s review, it’s puzzling that the White House and State Department have been caught flat-footed in terms of their public handling of the Egyptian uprising.
Watch for more updates here at Firedoglake.
UPDATE – 10:55 a.m. ET - Note this screenshot from Al Jazeera’s live coverage; the image appears to be from Egyptian state television, which means that the rest of Egypt must be seeing this as well.

Tahrir Square in Cairo, Egypt, approx. 5:50 p.m. local time. (source: Al Jazeera via Livestation)
Al Jazeera reports that people are continuing to gather and increase in number in the square, defying the current curfew.



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Mubarak is making his last stand. We should know the outcome in two or three days, perhaps less.
It’s very disappointing that the replacement government looks like nothing more than shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. This could have been an opportunity to show good faith interest in serving the interests of the Egyptian public.
Thanks, Rayne. I’m trying to find updates this morning and see that AJ-English US has been cut off. I haven’t been to the web site yet, but noted the notice of the cut off on another site.
Try Livestation — I’ve been getting consistent AJE feed from their site.
Try this, I’ve been watching AJE on it all morning:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Thanks. I’m very worried for the people today. It seems that after the jets swarmed them yesterday that some type of force is about to show up.
The combination of three security types being appointed as VP, Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior plus journalists being arrested, barriers being erected, trains being shut down, the internet down looks to me like Mubarek is planning brutal suppression.
Live
If he decides to fight, and the army sticks with him, it won’t be any three days. He’ll still be fighting low-level rebellions a year from now, but the main revolt will be crushed in 24 hours.
I think the military is very shaky now. Those “Eeek! Moslems” stories may be aimed right at Egypts gnerals and their fear of the Moslem Brotherhood. I think they’d have already moved to crush if it weren’t for all the Western countries threatening to “review” aid to Egypt in general and military aid in particular.
Boxturtle (ObamaLLP’s position seems to be “there are good dictators and there are bad dictators…”)
I’m not so worried about the jets, for crowd control they’re about useless. I’ll worry when we start seeing lots of APC’s and tanks.
Boxturtle (They’re not going to drop a daisy cutter in a town square)
Yeah. You’ll I reported that in the post.
From Al Jazeera in English:
Anything else we need to know?
is that an american official saying that?
my, how things have changed
We’ve seen reports this morning that at some point in the last handful of hours there were military vehicles firing weapons, possibly as a deterrent to crowds (no casualties reported).
If I could find a credible source on this I’d add it in an update.
The end is near. Abu Mazen (Abbas of Fatah–PLO) also expressed his support for Mubarak. As did the Saudis. Mazen is done. As are the Kingdoms of Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The end is near.
Shouldn’t be a surprise; I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Doesn’t matter the ideology, liberal or conservative — one would have to be incredibly stupid to take a stick to a beehive like this. The longer the Mubarak government keeps information under wraps, the more frustrated the public will be. Mubarak’s team basically shot themselves in the foot by gagging communications.
Israel and the Saudi’s are publically supporting Mubarak. Which means that we’ll soon be supporting Mubarak.
Boxturtle (Israel + Saudi’s = Votes + Oil. No way we’re arguing with that math)
I’m very impressed by Egyptian civil society. So unlike U.S. uncivil society.
Mubarak may be losing the support of the financial elite (from BBC liveblog):
The hunger (the actual, physical kind) in the gut of the populace in Egypt does not know or care anything about that math.
You want to destroy the oligarchy then attack its money pile. Reducing the oligarchies stash of cash reduces its power and makes it very nervous. Nervous about the ‘people’ taking some of their power and cash.
Watching Al-Jazeera is akin to taking the red pill.
I was impressed the same way everywhere I visited in S.A.
Americans feel they have the right to be uncivil because they are exceptional!
He is mad his communication biz is cut off and losing ad money. Also, note he is not in favor of a new government as the people are but for Mubarak to reform.
What’s the red pill?
The “deck shuffling” “replacement” government that has been proposed or ratcheted into places of power by Mubarak will be no more acceptable to the people than Mubarak is. Mubarak is not going to be allowed to choose his successors on his way out.
And what civil society the U.S. used to have has deteriorated greatly since the era of personal responsibility began with Raygun.
Did you see my comment the other night that I think I’ve actually been to Puno?
Well, I was chastized yesterday for having the stupidity to call it a military coup, but everything is pointing to it, now isn’t it? The police are back out, and journalists are being detained, arrested and manhandled by the military. Why would the military do that if they were with the people? They wouldn’t. Love to be as optimistic as everyone else, but don’t see it. The last time there was so much hope for change ended up being alot of hype and little substance, and there were some that were ridiculed for daring to think differently. Who was right?
Mrs. Greenspan “reported” that Mubarak has been such a wonderful ally all these years and actually noted the help with “interrogations” and “incarcerations“. I hope somebody caught that on TIVO. It was during Morning Joke.
I know you were there with me at the Book Salon Saturday. What did you think of my suggestion for a summit of those two and a few other sensible economists?
I think someone in that position can’t be expected to call for Mubarak’s removal. He would have to live with Mubarak in the event Mubarak manages to survive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redpill
Not even bothering to pretend anymore, are they?
We don’t know yet. But if you are looking for some attributes on being right, how about waiting until we all see what actually comes of it all.
I didn’t catch your comment. If you were in Puno you would have gone to see the floating islands in the lake. Did you make that trip?
Actually the arrest of the Al Jazeera reporters by the military tend to indicate that they are on the side of Mubarak, rather than engaging in a coup attempt against him. It was MUBARAK that ordered AJ English shut down and revoked all of their press credentials.
I couldn’t believe my ears to tell you the truth. Then I yelled at the teevee and the dogs ran under the bed.
I don’t want to be right. Too many things going on to be completely wrong. Not 2 years ago the military was going to overthrow Mubarak. Used Google and found that one out.
Does that mean we can send her and husband over for a mind altering vacation?
Well, they haven’t been rigorously divided like the American people have been.
I doubt we could organized a barbecue in the current propagandistic climate.
I’m very afraid for the people of Egypt if TPTB decide to just….wipe them out to show the world who’s boss.
Last night I had quite the thought that the US, Isreal, Saud couldn’t possibly allow a change of regime no matter what it is, unless Mubarak has managed to bring in a major cleaning. It would make Wikileaks look like slowly dripping faucet compared to the atrocities which would be revealed if anybody else gets their hands on the info.
God knows how long we’ve been sending people over there to be “softened up” or WHO we’ve been sending.
If they truly were on Mubarak’s side, they would have done something already about the protests, would they not? It’s a confusing situation, and would be a great military coup if you didn’t have to use the military much.
If the military wanted to get rid of him, then I am thinking those friendly types are still there standing with the people.
lol…I think it literally “flew” out of her mouth.
In the first Matrix movie, Kenau Reeves is offered two pills. The red pill will show him the truth and the blue pill will allow him to stay ignorant. You should really watch the movie, it’s like taking the red pill.
Maybe she will get more excited and tell us some of the people that have been, “disappeared” for partisan reasons.
I suspect it was Suleiman who ordered it…has anyone actually “seen” Mubarak. I seriously still doubt he’s there at all.
Ack! Clinton calling for orderly transition without wiping out the current government.
Now, how exactly is that going to happen?
She and others are panicked about what the future holds..that’s my take. She knows everything about what’s up. I understand the panic.
Our failure of a representative government is telling Egyptians and their rulers they should have one. Hypocracy in the raw.
And, in other news, early spring-like weather has trees blossoming and wild flowers blooming. *g*
Panic about Isreal and the Suez. If they would shut up and spend some time talking with the people they might find out that things are little more open for peace.
I think it is a message to whoever is in control to maintain orderly conduct without wiping out a bunch of “people” but holding on to power until “transition” is completed.
I don’t remember exactly what you’re referring to. Refresh me a little bit more. Which 2 economists?
It depends on what they were ordered to do. We know Mubarak ordered AJ shut down and now that order has been carried out. We know that the military was ordered to protect certain buildings and institutions and that order has been carried out. Through it all, I have never even heard a rumor of the military being ordered to put down the revolt or start bashing heads.
Well at least the elites here have the Halliburton-built super-max prisons to use as safe havens.
Thanks.
The Kingdoms of Jordan and Saudi Arabia will fall next. Abbu Mazen (FATAH) will be kicked out of the movement very soon. That puts Hamas in the drivers seat. Woe to you Israel.
It is almost here…75 today…then 15 tomorrow night..cold a few days, then I think spring will spring. :)
Yes, I have a simple yarn wall hanging that was made by the Uros.
It was in the context of going to Macchu Piccu. Did you go there too?
Rayne’s UPDATE:
“UPDATE – 9:45 a.m. ET – News site Al Masry Al Youm reports that opposition groups have issued a deadline to the Egyptian army to take sides before Friday; a march to the presidential palace in Heliopolis is being organized for the same day, beginning after Friday prayers.
We are all Khaled Said reports approximately 100,000 protesters have congregated in and around Tahrir Square in Cairo, in advance of tomorrow’s Million Man March. The photo provided at that site is rather poor, but Al Jazeera’s video coverage via Livestation.com appears to support the purported number.
UPDATE – 9:55 a.m. ET – Foreign Affairs magazine tweets,
Profile of #El Baradei: “a political entrepreneur who can exploit the gap between regime rhetoric & empirical reality” http://fam.ag/dO7Y06
It’s an interesting piece, not a clear endorsement of Mohamed ElBaradei as a potential leader. What’s of real value in this piece by Steven A. Cook for Foreign Affairs is the overview of the events which precipitated the current uprising. It may be beneficial to read Cook’s piece from March 2009 reviewing Bruce Rutherford’s Egypt After Mubarak, which discussed how Muslim Brotherhood, the judiciary, and business in Egypt may be able to work together to change Egypt.
Given the date of Rutherford’s book and Cook’s review, it’s puzzling that the White House and State Department have been caught flat-footed in terms of their public handling of the Egyptian uprising”
And created a lot of ridiculous conspiracy theories. I swear, there were almost as many paranoid people running around as after that stupid movie Jaws came out.
The heads they would be ordered to bash would be none other than those of their own families. If that order is given, the allegiance of the army could reverse on a dime.
Yes, lots of secruds that need to be kept, for sure.
I would be very careful with claiming today’s seizure of AJE equipment and journo detention is proof of a military coup; there have been numerous reports by media and individuals for days now indicating the military has been cooperative with the public for the most part, which cannot be said about the police.
Further, there have been reports which are thin and in need of further vetting suggesting there is a schism within the military. Some may be positioning themselves to work with the government sworn in today, another larger faction may be aligned with the popular democratic movement.
This is a long way from being sorted out.
It’s been a weird winter IsIs. I’m not going to count on this being the last (very) cold snap.
I’m hip. You’re trying to convince the wrong person.
Michael Hudson, Stiglitz, Krugman, William Black, and Dean Baker since he joined in the book and session.
I may have bought the same Uros yarn piece that you have. I did make it to Machu Pichu. Also made it to Cañon de Colca in Peru (deeper than the Grand Canyon) and Isla del Sol on the Bolivian side of Lake Titicaca.
Actually if you read my comment, you will see I’m arguing the opposite. Soldiers involved in a coup aren’t likely to be following the orders of the coup target, are they? Sorry I wasn’t clear.
EDIT: For Rayne @64
And we are s’posed to get really cold again this week. A very odd winter. ;)
Me too..I’m dreading it, it’s the pipe bursting kind and that’s a pain in the …. But, there are a lot of signs of spring out there..
Richard Engle just reporting the military is standing with the people for today. They have not yet had an order to bear down on the people.
Way kewl. Didn’t go there.
We spent a month in SA. Two weeks in Brazil, where my husband had lived for 18 years & had lots of friends. Then 2 weeks doing the LaPaz-MP-Lima circuit.
It’s the longest vacation I ever took.
A diversity of weather patterns. Cold. Warm. Wet. Dry. A winter can have all of that. Just like there are all kinds of Americans. Some are civil, some are not. Good to allow for all of it, right?
Exactly. So far they have followed orders which isn’t typically the behavior of people involved in a coup attempt.
If anyone needs a refresher course, I recommend this doc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Room_(film)
El Camino del Muerte?
refresher on what? Before I click, please.
The only one left who believes that Mubarak can remain in power at this point, is Mubarak himself. Now it’s up to the Egyptian people themselves to wrest control from the oligarchy. The military will do what the people in the street tell it to do. The actions of the people will dictate that demand. Peace is the order of the day.
Had an interesting experience at the Bolivian border. Gringos from the US are not Numero Uno with the Bolivians at the moment (because of the recently ejected DEA clowns), but the the soldiers at the border had fun kidding with me because I don’t look like the typical American. On they way out they invited me to return soon.
Thanks, Rayne. You’re doing a great job of keeping us updated on what’s happening and hosting these threads. It’s difficult for us to remain patient grasshoppers while we are watching this “revolution”. We feel so out of control in our own lives and wish we could get a “handle” on events outside of our own problems, so people latch on to theories, but in the end, whatever anyone thinks they perceive about details won’t actually affect the outcome. We shall see, won’t we?
I know nothing about that.
Thanks for the clarification, just realized your response was to canadianbeaver.
And I don’t think this is the first time I’ve seen that name attached to some less than carefully thought out comments.
We were there in 1979, long before any of the current stuff took place. It was very underdeveloped in those days, and we got handed off from one guide to the next in the middle of nowhere. It all worked completely smoothly, but I did wonder what we would do if the next guide didn’t show up. The ‘border’ between Bolivia and Peru back then was nonexistent at the particular place we crossed.
The “Highway of Death” that leads in and out of La Paz? You must have flown in.
My guess is that there hasn’t been much development in that area since 1979 excecpt for buildings where they check passports and charge impuestos (taxes).
I traveled guide-less, so I had to keep on my toes. Wouldn’t have done it any other way.
No, nor I. S/he certainly seems passionate and not at all troll like but sometimes gets carried away a bit. I guess we all do from time to time.
My son has a t-shirt that reads Yes, I do know everything. I just don’t remember it all of the time. *g*
Yes, we flew in from Rio.
We did do 2 day tours from LaPaz, one to some historic ruins (forget the name & too lazy to look it up), and one to the world’s highest ski area (in those days, anyhow), at 17,000′. It was a hoot, one rope tow. It wasn’t in use when we were there, its being the dry season.
Rayne,
I think that commenter is more like a young grasshopper. However, we do have a missile that likes to bomb often on the other side.
Good for you. I mostly prefer to travel without a guide, but they did work out well on that particular trip.
Thanks, demi. My kids and I sat down together this weekend and watched some of the Egyptian coverage by the cable outlets and contrasted it against the Al Jazeera content online. I told them how in some ways this reminds me of the first Gulf War, when so many Americans watched what happened in lieu of entertainment. The conflict is put at a remove which somehow reinforces our personal sense of security — and that’s wrong, we are very much connected by more than network communications. I wonder if the filtering by broadcast doesn’t encourage some of the grasping onto theories, especially when broadcasts are so bad and have nothing but talking heads offering stale, domestic-only perspectives.
The amazing thing is I that I felt perfectly safe everywhere I went, and in most places a police presence was nonexistent. It is really a civil society in at least most places of S.A.
Gee a comment about missiles. How quaint? And not easily explianed after it hits.
You’re a good mom, Rayne. If more parents did what you are doing, we’d have a smarter, more compassionate next generation.
(((Rayne)))
Does anyone think Obama or the US really hated the Egyptian regime? It’s all about convenience and national interest. It’s too late for them to back Mubarak now, so they’re following popular opinion but behind the scenes they’re hoping to push forward/support those who will be most US-friendly in the opposition movement. They do not want a real revolution, just a change of who is in power. A pro-business, neoliberal western friendly/subservient government.
The fact they had their hands in opposition groups isn’t a sign they hated the regime, but rather they were planning for this scenario and wanted to make sure they had a foot in the door to meddle in what will come after the fall.
I addressed my comment to Rayne. I don’t have to explain it because Rayne knows. I am speaking of a commenter or two that not only want to disagree, which is fine. These commenters attack in a very uncommunity type way.
I wonder if the financial elite in Egypt understand now you pay one way or the other.Mubarak uses force to keep power or if the people do not get there change this is the Army the financial elite will face.I hope the financial elite in the USA are watching.This is what the financial elite gets when there the only winners.The USA needs 15million jobs Good Paying Jobs.You the financial elite in the USA can make it happen and the people will bless you do not your children will pay the price.What could the financial elite of Egypt have done the last 30 years.Why did the financial elite in the USA conduct war agenst the bottom 80% of the US Citizen for the last 30 years.Hope thay wake up.
I felt completely safe in those places also.
Brazil was an entirely different matter. Upper middle class houses surrounded by walls (Spanish style) & alarm systems. No civil society there. After dinner women would separate from men, and complain about how difficult it is to get a good maid. Gaaah.
Was your vacation followed up with a visit to a good ENT specialist to get the holes in your tongue stitched up?
Eech, sounds a lot like South Florida. I have no desire to visit Brazil, but I would like to return to visit Chile and Argentina. Met some great folks from both those countries along the way.
I’m very interested in Argentina and the political situation there. All we get are a few anit-Chavez articles here. The people seem to be fairly happy from the outside looking in via MSM.
One of my ambitions is to visit the European Southern Observatory in the Atacama Desert.
The press in S.A. is very open and unbiased, compared to here in the US. Unfortunately there are no English translation sites. Chavez is widely respected throughout S.A. included in Colombia, where the rightwing government tries to disparage him, but the Colombian people are able to see through the BS.
I just remembered that as we were coming into somewhere, I can’t remember what town we were staying overnight in, tourists doing the circuit in the opposite direction kept warning up that there was some sort of general strike going on with gunfire and we should be afraid. Instead I was curious. When we got to that town, a bell hop sort found us, told us the taxis were on strike but that we could easily walk to the hotel & he would carry our bags. All of which occurred in complete safety & I heard no gunfire.
Income disparities in Brazil were the prime mover in the upper middle class feeling unsafe. And they were not delusional.
I did manage to keep my mouth shut.
Have you been reading that the Bolivian president Morales is trying to get the Atacama Desert back as part of Bolivia? Historically I understand it was once part of Bolivia, although I don’t know the details. The desert along the southern coast of Peru is as desolate as the moon, so I can’t imagine what the Atacama is like.
One of the funny events (you’re jogging my memory) was the 12-hour train ride, from LaPaz to somewhere. It was all in the altiplano & went over a 14,000 foot pass. It was clear the engine would not be able to pull the 8 cars over the pass (even though it was gradual & pretty straight), so Herb & I spent a good part of the first 6 hours discussing how the train would get over the pass. He insisted there would be a second engine waiting. I insisted he was wrong. Look around, said I, does it look like there’s enough money here to keep a train engine in reserve to pull two trains/day back & forth across a pass? But I couldn’t figure out the obvious. When we got there, they uncoupled the last 4 cars, pulled the first 4 over, then came back for the rest.
D’oh.
And I can’t imagine why Bolivia would want it back.
Seems way too disorganized for us Americans, but folks down there just go with the flow, and somehow it all works.
I think it’s more about national pride. Moraies is very popular with his people right now, and the Atacama business is one thing all Bolivians can get behind.
If it does go to Bolivia, be prepared to pay $135 for a Bolivian visa if you go.
Way different pace of life.
A “very uncommunity type way?” Not wanting to fall into that trap could you spell out what a “uncommunity type” comment would be?
“Ooh, dig us! We’ve got a big, dry fucking desert!” I’m not suggesting you are mistaken, just having a bit of fun. I hope the morons don’t decide it’s worth slaughtering people over.
The mentality down there compared to here is like black and white. Morales is talking about annexing the Atacama, but my guess is all they plan on doing is to continue talking about it for the next few decades, over a few cerbezas of course.
Hey, at least they drink it cold.