Re 5. Will O take away their guns first, or will he shut down the intertoobz first? Inquiring minds….

Is it only stupid when the tea partiers say that the internet will be shut down? Seems I remember some lefties worrying about it too.

I sure hope meds and/or counseling is part of your benefits cause I couldn’t read all that shit and keep what little of my sanity I have left.

Doesn’t it ever make your head hurt? Just watching Fox News makes mine hurt, and that’s benign compared to the sites you regularly quote from.

The gubmint is not going to take away anybody’s guns. What they will do is tell the gun owners that they are now part of the militia, and have a new job patrolling the streets.

Can’t forget Fox News, blaming universal healthcare and fluorescent light bulbs.

I recall similar predictions by left wingnuts when Bush was President… funny how that works.

I feel for the Moran family.

Doesn’t it ever make your head hurt?

Nah, I can almost write these takes before I actually find them. All so predictable.

It’s like, “Which wingnut is comparing Obama to Mubarak?…done. Which wingnut is giving credit to Condi Rice?….done.”

What’s interesting is the Weekly Standardtards are noticeably quiet. I assume that’s because they like Mubarak. Could also be that they’re afraid Obama will get credit if this all turns out well (which is far from clear).

Everybody’s working the angles now; unfortunately, so is Team Obama.

People do need to remember, though, that it’s Joe Lieberman who wants to put the Kill Switch on the American internet.

Don’t fret. They have their 30 year old walkie talkies to fall back on if Internet goes first. They never trusted Gore when he created internet in the first place.

The wingers will believe anything they are told. Total lack of critical thinking. Just a desire to hide from reality.

From the linked article:

“Obama is not a dictator, but he would be if he could. Socialists do not like competition, particularly the competition of ideas. Look at the efforts they have made over the years to shut down talk radio. Look at Obama. He cannot stand people criticizing him. To call him thin skinned would be an understatement.”

Can’t come down too hard on Holy Joe. He has less than two years to get the authoritarian diva streak out of his system.

Duh! Silly Question. The guns. Guns only require one finger. The intertubes requires use of more fingers.

Yup. Seems I recall a couple comments around here worrying about it too just a couple of days ago.

Absolutely agreed.

I don’t think the administration views the American public as anything other than play-doh, same as they view the Egyptian public.

And not to be crazy conspiratorial and all that, but I suspect that the US government also has some contingency plans in case of civil unrest in the US. Not that the US isn’t supremely competent–far more than Egypt–at managing public anger through its use of the media, but just in case . . . .

I should add—the MSM keeps the left entertained and marginalized by focusing on the “horror” of silly statements by the likes of Palin. Smart move–it allows anger and energy to be focused on the irrelevant rather than the real centers of power.

That’s cause it’s been said before (by left wingnuts) and is being said now (by right wingnuts) and will be said again… well you get the picture Comrade.

Well right there is a qualifier for stupidest post of all time.

What “Obama” and “socialists” have in common is beyond anyone’s guess. Suggesting he is a socialist has way more of teh stoopid in it than your five examples above IMO.

They will find something for which they can Blame Obama.

Too quick, too slow, too bold, too cautious, cost too much, didn’t spend enough, consulted congress too much, consulted congress too little, only kissed McConnel & Boner on two cheeks, kissed McConnell and Boner on four cheeks.

Take your prick.

It seems some in Israel are getting mighty worried. Haaretz claims, “Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt.”

I think the article claims it’s all Obama’s fault for being nice to Muslims, or weakly opposing settlements, or something.

The Tea Party aren’t evolved or old enough to handle the internet…they are milleniums behind the rest of the world…they’ve basically made that case for themselves…at least some of them.

Got evidence, Bircher Boy? Or are you just repeating what Rush and Beck tell you?

Meanwhile, the neocons, following Mubarak’s lead, are coming out with “Obama lost Egypt” bullshit — because of course, allowing a popular secular revolution that thumbs its nose at the sort of billionaire conservative elitists that fund the Tea Party and the John Birch Society scares them immensely.

Always like to see citizens running wild in the streets, and to the extent it bugs the US and Israel, all the better.

That should give him the opportunity to “review” aid to them then.

Why would shutting the intertoobs down be a big deal for the Teahadists? They don’t read anyway. What, do they rely on livestreams of Glen Beck? Because that drivel is available on cable news 24/7.

“Lost Egypt”???

Lost like a dog turd stuck on my boots.

Might I add one of the stupidest things I have heard from this administration. Hillery telling Candy Crowley “We have been supporting a democratic Egypt for the last 30 years and one with human rights” not exactly the quote. So is that why she and this administration ignore us, they think Egypt is a democracy. I wonder, if they might start listening to themselves and start listening to their people.

Everyone does it! Everyone does it! AWK! Cracker!

What? Nothing from powerline? Get with the program guys.

Two, in my case.

Yep, that’s pretty stupid, all right. Another fascinating fact from Hillary’s Ministry of Truth.

“supporting” in terms of our taxes for Egypt’s weapons that fired into the crowds with bullets and tear gas…you know, that kind of democracy..

because the interoobs aren’t mentioned in the Constitution?

Another example of Who could have anticipated? Er, everyone.

The “Internet Kill Switch” is back in the Senate. So no, it’s not crazy to be concerned about it happening here.

What will be interesting to see, however, is the amount of economic damage to Egypt if the internet remains shut down when business starts up again on Monday. So far it’s been turned off only on non-work days. I don’t think the US economy (read: banksters) will ever go for such a disruption in this country.

Hey,

I think “losing Egypt” scares the “liberal” elite–you know, those that claim with divine certainty that the US is a proponent of the rights of man–absolutely as much as it scares the John Bolton’s of the world.

That would be the issue that would rally the entire country. Torture, taxes, wars, etc., not so much.

Today, Sunday, is the first biz day of the Muslim week.

On edit: Some of the protesters are getting messages out on the Egyptian internet that handles stock exchange transactions, which was kept open.

Losing Egypt would mean losing the place the bastids send people to be tortured.

Yep. But really it would be about cutting off the porn, not cutting off of information.

That’s the narrative. They hate us and try to discredit us because we have the temerity to rationally question the narrative. Unlike the right wingers who scream non sequitors and conspiracy theories that are easy to discredit, our concerns aren’t so easily dismissed because they are grounded in that little thing I like to call reality.

Yeah, take away their rights, their jobs, and their dignity, no problem.

But FACEBOOK?!?!?!?!?!?! ZOMG?!?!??!!

Hit the streets!!!!!!

The other tell tell sign it is Clinton’s fault is that the Tea Party is only blaming Obama. They must be covering for her.

Exactly LOL

A valid reason to protest, IMO.

hahaha…truth smarts

I thought the best thing about the Egyptian uprising was that the neocons and Israel have gone silent. Alas, it’s only temporary.

Well, that’s it–America will take to the streets for sure.

Oops. Well, then, the economic damage from no internet is already happening. Mubarak’s going to lose the elite if he starts costing them lots of money.

The spin by the neocons will become thin on all this, but still reformulated and pitched in new ways.

Best yet. lol

That’s an interesting Q. How far up the food chain can the PTB chew on before even they turn? I remember reading that in 2010, the only households in the U.S. who experienced a rise in income were those earning above $52 million/year. I read it in passing, so I can’t vouch for its veracity, but it does illustrate the point.

True, but Obama can always announce that the US is open for bids.

i think you would be surprised to see us on the streets together with the tea party people, agreeing on several issues.

Maybe our new found “fears” should be reframed and “shared” via FB…hahaha..like those one’s you get that say cut and paste this and send it on…

BTW: Beer

Shoot…they’ve got lots of other places..Egypt was convenient.

You mean he hasn’t already?

Nader is joining up with libertarians on several issues, according to headline on rawstory about a week ago. I didn’t click on it so I don’t know any details.

Heck they’ve even got another GITMO don’t they?

Pretty clever actually. While the focus is on GITMO, build another one and keep it teh secret. Then when they close GITMO, they can say see, “we’ve stopped detaining brown people muslims”!!

Well, there you have it. Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe in the parlor has revealed it is her fault.

Today was the beginning of the work week in Egypt. Tomorrow’s not gonna be any different, except the crowds may be larger.

I was just going to say that prior to opting to answer madma with snark. If Libertarians actually existed in the Tea Party movement, I would probably actually walk with them. I just don’t think there are that many in the movement. We had more Ron Paul supporters standing with the hippies in front of Chase Bank protesting the bailouts than I saw Libertarians standing with the Tea party crowd on the corner of gas stations.

There’s almost nothing lazier than “both sides do it!”

Yeah, but that’s all they’ve got as a response in some cases.

Besides, it’s worked wonders for them in the MSM.

Without combining with libertarians, there is no antiwar movement, no rule of law, two very impt issues where lefties agree with libertarians.

However TPers & libertarians are quite different animals, esp on the two issues I mentioned.

I agree with your thoughts. Libertarians might be brain-dead on certain economic issues–the holiness of the “free market”, e.g.–but I think they offer a more informative critique of the nature of the US than most of the democratic party “left”.

Not that that is saying much.

The Tea Party started out as a secularist libertarian conservative anti-tax third party that threatened to do to the GOP what the GOP-funded green and Nader parties have done to the Dems, and leach votes from them. In order to stop this, Dick Armey joined with the Koch brothers — the billionaires whose father founded the John Birch Society — stepped up to the plate to fund a Tea Party group to drown out the original Teeps and fold them back into the GOP; Tea Party Express/FreedomWorks endorsees have to promise to uphold the Republican party platform before they can get TPE money.

But the Borging has been problematic — and has led to an increase in leverage for the very social conservatives the original libertarian Teeps hate.

I actually enjoyed protesting with them during the Obama bank bailouts, and none of the ones I spoke with had any intentions of going to the Tea Party protest the next day.

I don’t know one Libertarian in the Tea Party movement. In my district (Giffords’) it was the Libertarian vote that kept her in office. They would not fall in line with the Tea Party shoot-a-gun-with-Jesse Kelly movement.

Doesn’t take much work to see all the projection in there.

They’re really good at using the internet to organize themselves. Look at all those e-mails they send out.

I agree with your history. However since they stayed libertarians for such a short time, they really shouldn’t get any such label anymore.

Right wing diversionary Moronic bull, it’s all about control of the Suez canal and the US is losing it’s yes man in the region. It should be plain to see right wing nuts do not care about the Egyptian people, just corporation oil profits. The US just wants peace, yea sure I heard that one before. Question: right wing nuts must be breeding, is it because they get all the good corporation jobs?

See PW’s 67 and my 71. Labels shifted very quickly.

I used to listen to Scott Horton (the other one)’s interviews on antiwar.com all the time. He’s a libertarian on economic issues, but mostly does antiwar interviews. I stopped listening recently, only because it gets repetitive after awhile.

I would also listen to his occasional interviews on economic or other issues, just to see if he’s as clueless as ever, and he was. But his antiwar interviews are great; he really knows his history & asks probing Qs.

There is something to be said about the socialist vs. capitalist “purist” (but I don’t think purist is such a bad thing) that makes us much more similar than many of us would like to think. Something about a “fair fight” with neither getting bogged down in the centrist sellout. If Nadar can get a working movement going with them, I would work with them if for no other reason than to watch Tea Party/Common Grounders’ heads explode.

And nothing more fictitious.

Book Salon up with Julian Zelizer’s The Presidency of George W. Bush: A First Historical Assessment hosted by Matthew Lassiter

Hey, if tea partiers want to stand up and shout down Joe Lieberman’s internet kill switch, then I’ll stand beside them.

People need to understand that this will be the streets of America one day. Egypt is for us like the previews at the movie theater. We are the superpower and when we fall we will be the main event for the rest of the world. We can stop it, but only if people wake up, learn to sacrifice, and truly change themselves for the better.

~ DJ6ual

Tear Gas Causes Anti American Sentiment in Egypt

http://dj6ual.viviti.com/entries/news/the-tear-gas-smoke-bombs-used-against-egyptian-protesters-were-also-used-at-g-20

The Tear Gas (Smoke Bombs) Used Against Egyptian Protesters were also Used at G-20

Well, at least number 2, Max Boot at commentary may have used some words that make a really nice sound bit for which you have chosen to beat him with, but the message as a whole is pretty decent:

So far, I haven’t seen much evidence that Obama is earning his salary with his response to the revolution in Egypt. On Friday, he delivered an ultra-cautious statement, telling the “Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters” and saying that “the people of Egypt have rights,” including “the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech and the ability to determine their own destiny.” But he stopped well short of telling Hosni Mubarak, who is clearly on his last legs, that it was time for him to go — a message that Ronald Reagan memorably delivered via his friend Senator Paul Laxalt to Ferdinand Marcos in 1986.

[...]
Problem is, taking no stand isn’t an option for the United States in this situation. For decades, Egypt has been one of the largest recipients of American foreign aid, and Mubarak has been one of our closest allies in the Middle East. Egyptian officers have been educated in the United States, its forces are equipped with American weapons, and they regularly conduct exercises with American troops. We have a large say, whether we want it or not. If Obama stays silent about Mubarak’s future, that will be interpreted within Egypt as American support for an increasingly discredited dictator.
[...]
In other words, if the U.S. is to have any hope of salvaging our alliance with Egypt, we need to embrace the change wanted by its people — not try to cling blindly to a past represented by Mubarak and his mini-me, the intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, who has just been appointed vice president and putative successor.

The few of the first comments at free republic :

This isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood. These are educated and connected young adults who’ve had a taste of freedom.

What’s going on in Egypt is a good thing! It’s not the Muslim Brotherhood or the Iranian Revolution. These are young people who want the freedom they see in Iraq.

Cheap theatrics on this one. Clicked on two links, I think I’ll skip the rest.

First, Max Boot’s main point is that Obama has “to manage” the revolution of a sovereign nation, which is stupid and offensive. There’s also this absurdity:

Jimmy Carter got it wrong in Nicaragua, and Iran and went down as a failure. Ronald Reagan got it right in the Philippines and South Korea, which contributed to the overall success of his presidency.

And two, the link isn’t about the comments at Free Republic, it’s about the title,

Did Condi Rice cause the uprising in Egypt?

I’m surprised no one on the far right is blaming George Soros.

Really. I was looking for it at the Red State piece.

Bingo!

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=86096961

This list should have included Elliot Abrams’ assertion in the Washington Post yesterday that the events in Egypt prove that Bush was right about bringing democracy to the Middle East.

Here is my response: http://open.salon.com/blog/markpkessinger/2011/01/30/response_to_elliot_abrams_bush_was_right_in_wapo.

That’s the first link in the post.

My apologies — don’t know how I missed that!

The following, from 2009, would be hard to top – although it’s not so much wingnuttery as sheer ignorance:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-news-misplaces-egypt_n_246575.html

Is this better? If Israel gives Obama the word Mubarak would be out in minutes. I know it’s forbidden to critize Israel in the MSM, I hope it’s allowed here.