Since Tuesday, protesters have been reporting that government thugs, NDP party thugs, have been acting initially as provocateurs and now as looters. There were widespread reports Thursday night for example that plain clothes police were spreading petrol on cars and otherwise preparing chaos.
Now the reports of thugs breaking into homes, hospitals and threatening neighborhoods are increasing.
Al Jazeera’s Ayman Mohyeldin is reporting that thugs in one neighborhood were seized and found to have state security id and carrying state issued weapons. The same pattern was seen in Tunisia. He notes that these are Mubarak’s police but in plain clothes.
As he says, with the police off the streets – they know there is no one to keep order and so they are taking advantage – and “attempting to steal away the momentum of the protests.:
7:38pm Ayman Mohyeldin reports that eyewitnesses have said “party thugs” associated with the Egyptian regime’s Central Security Services – in plainclothes but bearing government-issued weapons – have been looting in Cairo. Ayman says the reports started off as isolated accounts but are now growing in number.
If Mubarak and the NDP can generate enough chaos and frighten the more affluent portions of the populace, they provide an excuse and rationale for a brutal crackdown.
Al Masry Al Moum reports
Protesters have been attempting to organize popular committees in endangered areas in order to secure neighborhoods. ..
In the Maadi district of Cairo, residents living next to the Carrefour shopping mall–which was looted on Friday–told Al-Masry Al-Youm by phone that they saw thugs approaching their buildings.
Similar reports were relayed from the Mohandessin area in Cairo, where thugs reportedly attacked houses.
In the affluent quarter of the Fifth Settlement to the east of Cairo, residents also reported thugs cordoning their buildings and threatening to break in. Six armored vehicles have been deployed in the neighborhood, according to eyewitnesses.
Note that the reports all reference “thugs” – these are not protesters and the people in the neighborhoods seem to be well aware of who it is who is sowing chaos and danger.
In Alexandria people have poured onto the street chanting again against Mubarak and Suleiman.
Just now, ElBaradei made a statement pointing to Mubarak’s refusal to step down as the cause of the chaos and then said:
“Unless Mobarak steps down, Egypt will collapse today…We are seeking a change of regime. President Mubarak should step down. We should head towards a democratic state through a new government and free democratic elections…The whole world should realize that the Egyptians are not going home until their demands are realized…We are talking about taking down the Pharaonic dictatorship.”
How soon with Clinton and Obama issue another strongly worded “concern” about how Mubarak needs to “reform?”



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It might be true that some of these thugs are part of an organized effort on the part of the security forces to discredit the revolution.
But I’m not sure that at this late date how much of the state still exists to maintain control.
Could be just as likely that the state security forces are looting behind their badges just because all order has broken down and they are getting while the getting is good.
Has the American media been covering this? We already have reports the American Media is saying Muslim Extremist could take over even though The Muslim Brotherhood only joined the protests on friday they were as surprised as we were.
Police pretending to be Rebels looting and causing violence plus the idea that Muslim Extremists are leading the revolt would give Obama an excuse to send in troops to restore stability.
Thats my biggest worry.
Yesterday’s theater of the US sock puppet telling the Egyptian sock puppet “Keep Calm Carry On” was pretty amusing.
Great Freudian typo. Is Mubark’s bigger than Mubite? Are Mubark’s police attack dogs? Is Mubarking at the moon?
Someone is coordinating the secret police in both countries maybe the CIA?
Nah, I think the autocrats are perfectly capable on their own.
he will not go gently into that good night
Yep and give us the ammo we need to cut off their military aid Obama is weak we can do it. The Tea Baggers can’t excuse votes to their racist base of giving tax dollars to brown people. The Dems can’t sell us giving tax dollars to dictators.
They both came up with the same idea possible but unlikely still its possible.
Fixed but oh I was tempted to leave it!
im worried they will flee to Francia, before i can complete all my transactions,hope not
We have a long history – see School of the Americas – of helping to train “security forces” to trample on their citizens. Of course, they also want to do that. Meeting of the minds I guess.
These thugs attacking protesters remind me of Rand Pauls goon going to Healthcare Town Halls with Guns and stomping on that woman’s head at a Ron Campaign rally. If we ever revolt expect the Tea Baggers to act like Egyptian Police thugs.
I think you should have left it. It was loverly. JMO. *g*
He’s probably either already gone or is afraid to leave, because he won’t be able to return to Egypt. He’s toast.
Thats exactly what I was Thinking about:)
Mubarak needs to prove to the Americans that he needs to crack down, IMO. Maybe Mubarak is spooking *our* rich elite who may see a glimmer of themselves in Egypt’s ruling class.
all ya need to know
Hosni Mubarak’s Gulfstream Jet Fleet Paid For By U.S. Military
http://www.warisbusiness.com/news/egyptian-presidents-p... /
Gulfstream Aerospace Corp., Savannah, Ga., is being awarded a $9,535,315 firm fixed price contract modification to provide for continued fleet maintenance support for nine Gulfstream aircraft owned by the Egyptian government. This modification extends contract for 12 months plus 1-year option. Total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by October 2006. Headquarters 72nd Air Base Wing, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (FA8106-04-C-0001/P00005).
Gulfstream Aerospace Corp., Savannah, Ga., is being awarded a $19,825,221 firm fixed price contract modification to provide for the Foreign Military Sales Program in support of FMS Case Egyptian. The Air Force provides follow-on maintenance support for the Egyptian Government’s Presidential fleet of Gulfstream aircraft. The program will provide depot maintenance support, parts and material repair, and supply, field team, and Aircraft on Ground or urgent situation support. At this time, $14,825,221 of the funds has been obligated. Further funds will be obligated as individual delivery orders are issued. This work will be complete by November 2005. Solicitation began October 2003 and Negotiations were completed October 2003. The Headquarters Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (FA8106-04-C-0001).
Gulfstream Aerospace Corp., Savannah, Ga., is being awarded a $14,907,400 firm-fixed-price contract modification to provide for the Peace Lotus III Program, which is a foreign military sales program for the procurement of two Gulfstream G400 aircraft, Cleopatra modification, associated spares, logistics, support equipment, program management and training on behalf of the government of the Arab Republic of Egypt. The aircraft will become part of the Egyptian Presidential Fleet. Current modification is to establish negotiated firm-fixed prices for the outfitting of two aircraft interiors. Previous effort established negotiated firm-fixed prices for the procurement of two “green” aircraft (airframe only, no interior completion), Cleopatra modification and program management. Future effort will establish firm-fixed prices for associated spares, support equipment, logistics and training and will be covered under a separate 1279 report. Total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by August 2004. The Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker Air Force Base, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (F34601-03-C-0038, P00001).
(snip)
confirmed speech last nite was a TAPE…i suspected it
think they would make me Egyptian Princess for a year….great perks from USA
Footage from the conventions in this country are a reminder that this country treats its citizens in a similar manner…..unless you are a citizen united kind of citizen that is..add to that torture pictures, etc., etc., etc.
U.S. National Security team is meeting. If those meetings are anything like what Woodward described wrt the Afghan war, the meetings will last 14 months, and decide on a surge. It will take the first 10 months for O to recognize that Egypt does not the same U.S. puppet leader when he runs for reelection as was there when he was first elected.
How infuriating, though, that so much violence must be done against the people of Egypt and their property because Mubarak selfishly clings to power.
But Mubarak is our partner in
oil warsthe Middle East.Link?
My suspicion is that Barryco are covering his butt, trying to pretend they are neutral until they announce El Baradei or something like that…this is all “by design”…JMHO
It was a tape? Really?
That man is an ahole.
If the rumors MurbaraK’s Family both sons and Wife are in London are true then if he falls the WH is going to have some explaining to do on why publicly they supported a loser and thus allowed more days of rebel deaths and unrest to happen.
The question of did the WH hope for enough chaos to happen so they could send in troops will get asked at least on the Lake.
In times of trouble the Lefty Blogs got the best reporting the Dems look to us not the MSM for news and likely political effects of that news.
The MSM is for propaganda we are a 2 tiered society as far as news goes. The Elite believe their own propaganda and the Angry Right believe it too.
Despite the MSM we somehow inform and shape the majority opinion on the issues they care about most.
However we can’t make them care about something.
From everything I’ve read, Mubarak has taken cabinet members from their prior posts and given them new ones. I haven’t read about one new member yet. Does he honestly think this will be enough? If so, he’s not competent to lead two car parade, much less a country.
CNN CNN – CNN.com – TranscriptsJan 28, 2011… “The Wall Street Journal” that it was prerecorded, that it was not a live speech. … WEDEMAN: It did seem to be a recorded speech, Anderson. … The bond between Hosni Mubarak and the Egyptian has been severed. … According to Ben, the police have retreated, even some of the plainclothes ones. …
edition. cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/28/acd.01.html – United Kingdom
Thanks.
Mubarak has assaulted some of the most valuable artifacts of human history at the museum. Any sympathy for him or his regime is gone.
velcome!…the elites must have grabbed their jewels and headed to safe havens
You *did* suspect he was already gone yesterday when the speech aired.
Fuckers cut off the people’s water…
somebody said last nite aint the 40 Bill he stole enuf?
Yep that did kill the betting pool on when Murbarak would be forced out:)
hes 82,he cant run….he is safe…to quote a genius you betcha!
The Swiss are going to be asked about opening their secret banks again soon.
I think so too,
he’s probably safely ensconced with his family and their jewels.
CNN reporters last night on AC360, who are (of course!) most concerned about violations of THEIR right to report, spoke about an attack by plain-clothes security forces, pushing them to the ground and breaking, then seizing, their camera. They went on and on to Anderson about how horrible this was, without talking very much about what they say happening to the Egyptian citizens around them in the streets.
You know, actual reporting like Richard Engle was doing.
Tangential– “Protests Spread To Saudi Arabia” (Tyler Durden on 01/29/2011 13:19 -0500) — contains link to http://twitter.com/search?q=%23JeddahProtests
“Goldman Sachs Gives Blankfein a Big Raise” (Investment Banking section of New York Times, January 28, 2011, 5:33 pm )
the man has a 10 MILLION DOLLAR fleet of Gulfstreams paid by……you….and me
OMG. AJ counts the deaths by actually visiting morgues & counting bodies! Can you imagine any U.S. ‘journalist’ doing real work like that?
Even if Mubarak and his circle get asylum somewhere, (the US), the thugs doing his dirty work aren’t going to be extended the same. They will be rounded up and prosecuted most harshly. Doesn’t anybody read history?
why do i have to pay for that dictators plane?
lets cut SS some more!
Of course not. Here they would say “Officials put the death toll at (250) but some say it’s much higher/lower”.
This report from Al Masry:
Because the rich people who have grown wealthier exploiting that situation sure as hell aren’t. They needed another tax cut.
Hardly tangental, IMO. SA undergoing a revolution would shock me.
is there anything we can do for the Egyptian people,how about organizing something
Yeah, what was the death toll for Katrina, anyway. Oooooh, that’s right. It was never calculated.
The doctor, who did not want to be named, frantically said doctors were forced to abandon intensive care patients. As he hung up, he was struggling to keep the door closed against the intruders
—————–
they learned from the incubator story in Kuwait ruthless
without ruth
And since Obama and the Democrats would rather pursue their piece of the citizens united pie than invest in alternative energy, we are less ready for six dollar a gallon gas prices than we would have otherwise been. Heckuva job Barry…
I did hear a report that the army was sending forces to protect the hospital …
I wish I could read arabic on that twitter feed…
do you think Blackwater is there?
Speaker from Egyptian Democracy Foundation on Al Jazeera noting now that it’s an old tactic for falling governments to do this (thugs looting)
Google Translate does a decent job on arabic … worth trying
as to Blackwater … let’s hope not!
confessions of an economic hitman
Questions for Obama
If the WH claims Mubarak is our ally will he be welcome in America if he has to flee or is he too much of a public liability for the WH?
Will America verify the crimes Mubarak has committed if Egypt or the International Court wants to bring him to trial?
OMG! They destroyed two mummies at the museum. Bastards!
Will America verify that President Bush sent suspected Al Quieda prisoners to Egypt without a trial to be tortured?
lets hope it is limited
Yeah, they had to make sure they kept the number under those killed on 9/11..remember that horrible company that “handled” the disposal of the bodies…they were Bush cronies that had a history of…er…disposing bodies in a most illegal way…
You’d think they learned from Alexandria…
Folks, make sure you talk to people. US media is really trying to tie this to extremism instead of being a movement by the people. They are planting the Islamic fear card.
I had to walk people through the facts. Glad I had a smart phone. I loaded the live stream and corrected their misinformation.
OT–
From “Chinese journalist says he was fired for being too outspoken about Tibet, corruption” (from The Canadian Press, Jan. 28, 2011 14:35):
“Fighting Tibetan separatists complicated than Uygurs: official” (from PTI, Jan. 28, 2011 14:29)
“Hindu legislator quits in Pakistan, shifts to India” (from IANS, Jan 29, 2011, 07.09 pm IST)
Yeah, Egypt is going to fall to AQ or an affiliation thereof, so Mubarak better stay..damn liars.
Anyone getting the sense that our elite is in supermisinformation mode? Maybe it’s just that I’m watching the *real* news, so the difference seems more extreme than usual.
They are all Fox today.
This is all Julian Assange’s fault! /snark
When I showed them the story about Egyptian Christians creating a human shield around Egyptian Muslims during their evening prayers the other day, I asked if “that” reality sounded like extremism or folks protecting individual freedoms?
All admitted they were not paying attention and realized this is about creating a democracy of, for and by the people.
all propaganda all the time
that Dem congresscritter was RIGHT,about repeating the big lies
the big problem the USA now has, especially in the MID-East is this.
what nation on the planet earth kills the most Arabs? you guess it the good ole USA
the people in Egypt, and especially the ARAB street pays no attention to the USA, and can really care less what the USG and USA media says or does.
the USG knows that Egypt may just be the first domino to fall in the Mid-East.
The USA has under cut their PUPPETS in the region, to the point that they are holding on by a small thread.
When Egypt falls, it will send shock waves around the Mid-East and World.
I don’t think the Global Elites saw this coming.
it is very hard for a few rich people to live the good life, while 99% of their brothers and sister live a life of hell
China,Iran and Russia are enjoying this big time!
the lesson the USA must learn is this, don’t let clowns run USA foreign Policy, because if you do, very, very, bad things will happen
Most people don’t pay attention. Most people can’t point out Egypt on a map either..or any other place for that matter.
a whole lot of boots quakin’ in Davos
Maybe we will have a role to play when the transformation comes to the United States. Looks like torture and criminality pervade the Egyptian police force:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/egypt-police-brutality-torture-wikileaks
you are correct.
most americans have no idea, that they are big reason for the fall of dictator MUBARAK.
americans love to ask why they hate us?
maybe because the guns, tear gas, helicopters gun ships, tanks, etc. use to terrorized and killed them all come from the USA.
We can but dream…
If you want your country to do the right thing, you have a choice. You can sit around and cynic out, or you can pepper your government with phone calls, emails and faxes and tell them not to “smoke opium in the White House.” That was, after all, Senator Joe Biden who originally made that comment, and he did it when the U.S. Government of Ronald Reagan supported Marcos instead of the protesters in the streets in Manila. Mohammed El Baradei says the U.S. should take a side. So tell your government which side you respect, and which one you don’t.
taxcuts?!
you betcha!
What is happening in Egpyt is a HUGE problem for the West.
Sock puppets posing as Egyptian government officials take orders from someone else. They don’t care about Egypt’s people, land and cultural treasures. It’s no big deal for them to destroy any of it. It’s very sad about losing the fabulous antiquities.
Following the SA twitter feed above, sounds like the SA protest is being disrupted by police. Not sure.
im thinking some show of solidarity
*heh* Tort reform.
can you imagine the man/woman hours for that painstaking work
a crime
wrong response
Using google translate, I can’t tell if the tweet says the protest is being broken up or whether it is a call for more to join the protest.
edited to add “security” to above. I missed the last line. Arabic is read right to left. Doh!
Maybe you are not paying enough attention to this blog…check it out more…instead of cynicing out. :)
MSM reporting looting by protestors
this would put me in the street!!!!!
Republicans look to privatize Medicare
By Sahil Kapur
Friday, January 28th, 2011 — 8:47 am
Medicare, Social Security ‘a cruel Ponzi scheme’: GOP conference chairman
WASHINGTON – House Republicans would support a plan to privatize Medicare in their annual budget, a member of the GOP leadership said.
Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, the House Republican Conference Chairman and second-ranked GOP member of the budget committee, made the revelation during a panel discussion, according to the National Journal.
the security forces better tread lightly
that is the blackmail Mubarak is using against us and that is why this administration can’t come out and tell Mubarak to leave
maybe we can overthrow them before they do it.
At least for the powerful.
WOOOT! AJ interviewee says very clearly and eloquently that this is the protest of Egypt’s secular youth. Asks MB respectfully to stay out of it.
Who knew that a National Democratic Party could be a bunch of fascists, then again-what’s in a name, eh?
Totally OT– From “Cannabis factory discovered in Dublin” (Updated: 19:09, Saturday, 29 January 2011):
{ LOL } Oh the horrors! Seems that the Irish government has more important things to be doing right now …
Just saw that…he was brilliant, IMO.
But, you know, they’re having big economic problems…
Gotta sell _something_ to raise cash…(/s)
It’s actually stupid for the Irish government to attack food and medicine growers. Check this excerpt from “Wheat Futures At 29 Month High As Developing Country Demand Surges In Aftermath Of Tunisia Revolution” (by Tyler Durden on 01/26/2011 15:42 -0500):
Here’s a screengrab of A-J’s coverage on this story: http://twitpic.com/3ukbsb
“Looters” set fire to fertilizer factory in Alexandria next to a chemical storage facility. Fears that fire could spread and cause huge explosion.
Here we go…
Fear. Card.
Sounds of heavy gunfire coming from Ministry of the Interior in Cairo.
“If we ever revolt expect the Tea Baggers to act like Egyptian Police thugs.
“
Not on my watch, not in my name.
Ever.
That was 2006. We KNOW USA spends more money to Egypt than anyone else aside from Israel . . . so what’s yer point?
NDP headquarters on fire again. Fears that fire could spread to National Museum. Edit…not NDP, another building nearby that is close to National Museum.
I agree with you.
I think the US engineered the appointment of the new VP with an eye towards Mubarak leaving asap and the new guy taking over as an interim govt.
That would give the US some breathing room–maybe a week or so–to open the bidding process for an acceptable government, el-Bahradhi perhaps, but who knows.
How, where3, what did you confirm? Got linky?
I believe you are absolutely right . . . same pattern as we’ve always done . . . Diem, etc.
Pretty simple to posit, too . . . but thanks for bringing it out in the open . . . yer spot on.
N may John Bolton choke on his own vomit when El Bareidi takes the helm!
That would be thin gruel for blackmail. I don’t think the US cares much about its reputation anymore. Rendition of suspects for torture has been so widely reported even in the MSM, that it’s virtually normal.
Many did . . . and that is NOT a link to something I can verify . . . I hold my baited breath.
Thank you so much. I was just wondering what they wanted in their “silence” (ya right, “anonymous” silence). They are probably on the phone with the US saying, “Don’t cut your funding to Egypt”.
Klynn and PW, great links . . . Siun thanks for keeping us all updated on this . . . great coverage from FDL and its followers . . . where the news comes first, to quote my local tv affiliate.
50 protesters arrested in Jeddah.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/162512.html
rumor has it that Mabarak has sent his family out of the country to London.
here’s more background on our Friendly Dictator from the CBC.
A Look at Egyptian President’s Background
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak succeeded Anwar Sadat, who was assassinated in October 1981. He has been criticized to step down by the people of Egypt while widespread unrest plagued the region. http://www.newslook.com/videos/287042-a-look-at-egyptian-president-s-background?autoplay=true
Tangential– “Saudi king vows support for Mubarak” (PressTV , Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:46PM )
Book Salon up with Michael Hudson’s The Monster: How a Gang of Predatory Lenders and Wall Street Bankers Fleeced America–and Spawned a Global Crisis hosted by Dean Baker
Mubarak to exile to Israel?
Siun this is amazing.