I suppose it is all very amusing to witness Rep. Jack Kingston (R — Satan’s Diaper) publicly denying evolution, his great gleaming frightening teeth flashing televangistically, or else, perhaps, Haggardly. Yet I found it rather a grisly spectacle. Comic, but grisly.
That the American right wing believes a lot of shit is hardly news. But it’s not precisely a joke. Because climate change is also science, something has to be done about it, but as an article of right-wing faith, the science is All Lies, and even before scary clowns like Kingston were in charge of half the legislative branch, the country couldn’t do anything about it, because once wealthy ideologues whip up a lot of dummies, we all have to let them have their way, apparently.
And the killer is they have so much bullshit to fling, it’s a pain in the ass to debunk it all as fast as they fling it.
But occasionally it’s possible to shoot down some isolated lies, even if you know full well they’re coming back. Take this bit of nonsense that appeared in the British tabs about Himalayan glaciers.
Researchers have discovered that contrary to popular belief half of the ice flows in the Karakoram range of the mountains are actually growing rather than shrinking.
The discovery adds a new twist to the row over whether global warming is causing the world’s highest mountain range to lose its ice cover.
It further challenges claims made in a 2007 report by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the glaciers would be gone by 2035.
Wingnuts jumped all over this:
A Corner inmate gets smug, saying the report is “(yet another) reminder that global warming’s truest believers could do with a bit more humility.” Bruce McQuain is proudly pig-ignorant, William Teach grunts things, and the cesspit burbles. Ann Althouse’s idiot commenters rub and lick themselves publicly.
Utter imbecile Don Surber bawled:
Networks that defend even now the decades of lies about Global Warming deserve ridicule.
Global Warming requires three things: 1. Little public knowledge of science, 2. Someone who seems authoritative on science, 3. Media hype.
But there were several problems with this. First, the “false claims” about the disappearance of the glaciers by the IPCC weren’t all that; indeed, in the more scientifically important 2007 IPCC report, the IPCC explicitly said that Karakoram glaciers were advancing.
But beyond that, the scientists who wrote this report that supposedly puts egg all over the whole “retreating glacier” faces also have this to say:
Bookhagen noted that glaciers in the Karakoram region of Northwestern Himalaya are mostly stagnating. However, glaciers in the Western, Central, and Eastern Himalaya are retreating, with the highest retreat rates –– approximately 8 meters per year –– in the Western Himalayan Mountains. The authors found that half of the studied glaciers in the Karakoram region are stable or advancing, whereas about two-thirds are in retreat elsewhere throughout High Asia.
Pay attention, and you’ll see the “Himalayan glaciers are advancing!” lie bubble up a lot in Wingnuttia. Each time, you can now shoot it in its zombie head. Ca-chunk!



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Jack Kingston!
Now there’s a man who makes Bachmann seem almost cogent!
Thers!
THERS!
Yeah, Rush says it’s all baloney. The entire biz is caused by cow farts, especially in Texas where all those steer ranchers are. ;-P
SaTHERSday Night Fever!
Reality and the facts have a well known liberal bias. It is hardly surprising then that the Goopers hate science. They literally are the new Know-Nothing Party.
Thersaturday Night Fever!
Kingston is scarier than Bachman; he’s just as nuts, but has much better people skills. Bachman will never seem sane to anyone who has not already swallowed the crazy, Kingston can at least pass. Maher had to corner him to get the real nutsiness out. Bachmann would have flaunted it.
My favorite recent lie along those lines is the “volcanoes kick out more carbon than we ever could” lie. Um, no.
It’s sometimes hard to tell whether Rethugs lie about science or are just too stupid to care about the truth.
Just look at Bachman and Palin. I’m sure they would lose on, “Are you smarter than a 5th. grader”. And that is considering it is in the United States where we are so far behind in education nobody can count it!
Ah shit, how could anyone say there is a thing called evolution. Shit, 6000 years ago we were all riding dinos. Someday we’re gonna find the saddles to prove it.
Just too stuoooopid.
Yeah. I was always told the Dinos ate people, the ones that didn’t eat up all the good trees.
I read about those glaciers at Science News. Apparently they have enough loose rock on top (in sizes up to ‘house’) that they’re insulated from the summer heat.
Modern conservatives are the ultimate post-modernists. There is no reality, it is all just perception and everyone’s interpretation carries equal weight. It explains why they think they can create their own reality. I suspect they will discover, like my friend in college who thought he could fly from the roof of the dorm, that reality (and gravity) sucks hard and is very unforgiving. Unfortunately, I fear that it may be too late for the rest of us by the time they hit the pavement.
Yeah, there were a few of them around. They were the demodines. It’s all right here in this book.
Heh, linked in the post, but worth repeating, as it explains a lot.
Why do wingnuts believe as they do? Profit!
I am pretty sure that Bachmann would lose a “are you smarter than a rock” contest.
LOL! I think her pet rock was holding the camera for her.
The book! Do you have to fill in the boxes with crayons?
Those guys!!! They are the really evil fuckers. They ate the dinos.
Yeah.
Well.
I know for a FACT that global warming is total BULLSHIT. Cause it snowed here. A lot. Big time.
So take that you librul truth evading assholes.
Nah, we rode ‘em bareback, because humans are just that cool.
As Upton Sinclair observed, it is difficult to make a man understand something when his paycheck depends on not understanding it. We really need a 90% top income tax bracket on income over $1 million and a 100% inheritance tax on estates over $5 million.
yeah there are several feet of snow on the ground right now. Librul assholes.
I’m pretty sure the odds are close enough to make a few bucks on bets though.
Yup. And then they call us relativists.
Uh-Oh. You may be in the new Artic zone!
That explains it then. We don’t need no damn saddles.
After the summer in the Carolinas we may end up being the new Sahara!
Face it, destroying the biosphere cuts a lot off the overhead.
Keep that quiet, or the fundies will decide they’re the new Muslims and start attacking each other.
OMG! I thought that is why they have perma-longjohns. So they won’t chaf riding Dinos.
Guy at the gym the other day said all this snow and cold we been having proved global warming was bullshit. Another guy said yeah, but it was 120 degrees in Australia the other day. O smack down.
;-P Lindsey would love to wear a Burka.
Heh, I’m guessing that was mostly snark as in an exaggeration, but IMO, you’re really not exagerating all that much.
You crazy man. How could America ever be prosperous with tax rates that high. America has never had a period of prosperity during a time of high tax rates on the very wealthy!
That would I am sure be historically unprecedented and I am sure you could never produce evidence to the contrary ha ha you fool.
The Brit tabloids, for cryin’ out loud. Next they’re going to be getting their “data” from Mad magazine.
Ha! If we could only have half that wish list things would look brigher.
What I don’t get is where these people think they came from…Mars..do they think they are aliens..they hate aliens…um..Garden of Eden…wouldn’t that be in the Iraq area or something…they hate Ayerakis…um…how did their kids get here..a side trip to Pluto..they are batshit crazy.
Yeah what we really need is a flat tax of 10% on everything, you know for cops and like that.
But, but, but Adam and Eva were sent out of the garden into Africa!
I am not exaggerating at all. I am a socialist who thinks capitalism generally and inherited wealth in particular are antithetical to democracy, as is the massive concentration of wealth we currently have. If we do not correct this situation we will loose it and become a banana republic. We are already well on our way as we currently have a worse GINI Coefficient than Cameroon and Cote d’Ivoire.
Isn’t this the 5 year old error that was correct a year later – with ice flows now correctly report (ice mostly retreating and Indian rivers in trouble in the next century)?
How do they get off blowing up the admitted error from long ago and ignoring the fact that its correction actually added weight to the Global warming observation?
May I remind you that I actually lived through the Eisenhower administration?
..and they hate Africans…
May the wingnuts go glacier walkin with dull cramp on’s.
LeSigh.
Thers rocks, yet again . . . now back to dobro picking to http://www.worldwidebluegrass.com . . .
Let’s pick that fast one y’all do . . .
Nope. It is all because a CEO with greenbacks bulging out of his pockets and a huge grin on his face decided it is just not so.
I’m glad to hear you say it. If we could ever get past that word “socialism” maybe we could get to fixing a few things.
Well, you know, it’s the blacks’ own fault for stowing away on those slave ships.
Golf. that’s about all I recall about Ike. But he was no Bachmann either.
I would prefer the term, Collective Benefits.
Hee hee.
yeah but the founding fathers freed them all when they wrote the constitution. I think?
They do have a certain “affection” for slaves, but they aren’t descended from them..
I actually do not remember much either, as I was 9 when Kennedy was elected.
Yup .. God hid them along with the WMD’s from Iraq as a joke on us all ..
ok but Michelle and Sarah will sniff that one out.
Are you sure about that? They are royal blood line through the special Acadamey of Skulls.
I agree 100%. But I really thought the “100% on estates greater than $5 million was snark, cause I think you’d have a better chance of selling “socialism” in America than you ever would of a 100% marginal tax rate on anything.
There is a very substantial argument that the prosperity, economic growth, and innovation of the 50s, as well as the explosive growth of the middle class, was in large part created by those high tax rates, which provided disincentives for channeling profits into executive salaries and shareholder profits for the rentier class.
“ok but Michelle and Sarah will sniff that one out.”
Yeah, I forgot about that grissly nose thing. It would smell too much like honey.
I’m leaving on this note: if we don’t fix the unemployment, social injustice (aka corruption) and income disparity in this country, we are looking at our future in Egypt.
We didn’t have as many monopolies at the time either.
Try Somalia or Afghanistan.
Yeah, they actually enforced the antitrust acts.
Didn’t Bush41 steal someone’s skull..Geronimo’s or something?? That was when he was at the Academy of Skulls I believe…
yes
Laws are just for us little people.
I’ve heard that rumor. In fact, just a few years ago the Geranamo clan was suing the school for the return of it.
They are an odd bunch…arrived from outer space 6,000 years ago and love to collect skulls…sounds like a movie.
Then there is worship of Aquabuddha…an outer space religion I’m sure..
Thers just not enuff pickin on this site . . . it’s Sattiday night.
Bath night.
Pickin night . . .
A’ll y’all pick some . . . LeSigh.
(holds lighter up chantin ‘Freebird’ to last song)
Dubya was a member of the Skull and Bones Society, an elite secret society based out of Yale. They are reputed to have Geronimo’s skull, but they had it long before he joined. The lawsuit was unsuccessful, on the grounds that the descendants could not prove that the society had the skull IIRC (a kind of catch-22).
Not necessarily a good movie, mind you…
Patience, grasshopper.
I believe the refer was of George H., not W.
Perhaps they should just steal it back. Turnabout being fair play and all that…
I agree with that analysis.
Freebird! I thought you were doing FOX ON THE RUN and clogging music tonight.
I found this on Wiki:
Six members of the Yale secret society of Skull and Bones, including Prescott Bush, served as Army volunteers at Fort Sill during World War I. It has been claimed by various parties that they stole Geronimo’s skull, some bones, and other items, including Geronimo’s prized silver bridle, from the Apache Indian Prisoner of War Cemetery at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. Alexandra Robbins says this is one of the more plausible items said to be in the organization’s Tomb.
Wasn’t like half of our elites in that society??
I dunno, probably wrong, but it seems I remember some documentary sometime along the way saying Kerry and this Democrat and that Republican were also part of that society.
Well, I think the skull and crossbones is the same flag of the Pirates.
That is what they are, actually.
It was before his time as well.
Yes. Almost all the leaders of our country have come from the “Tomb”.
I stand corrected. ;-)
Far from it. As Rachel Maddow said, Eisenhower would be like Bernie Sanders today:
http://www.alternet.org/story/149700/rachel_maddow%3A_in_america_today,_republican_president_dwight_d._eisenhower_would_be_bernie_sanders_in_the_u.s._senate
Kerry was also a member, but the membership is really quite small and very select. Little is known about the organization for certain.
Space pirates that came here 6,000 years ago and are absolutely sure they are not descended from a monkey or a creature that crawled out of the sea one day and became a human.
We can say for, Thers that they all do not believe in Climate Change. There is just way too much to be made and control that would be hindered by it.
LOL! Okay, you got me with that one! Which Martian is your favorite?
Why…Martin, of course.
Ah, I thought you were going to say the drippy one.
Don’t try to debunk. It doesn’t work. Laugher does. Don’t say a word, just start gut laughing.
“Never argue with a fool. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
The Skull & Bones stuff is pointless. The real conspiracies are carried out brazenly in public.
True. Is there any justice?
Indeed.
No.
This has been another edition ….
Have you all been following the comments from Davos? Man! It looks like the only thing not scripted by Bernanke was from France’s PM.
So true.
Yo Firepups: I’m late to the party. However, I would still like to offer that I am especially creeped out to know that I am but a mere hour away by automobile from the Rancho Mirage conclave of high-profile wingnuts. I am very curious about the guest list. I wonder if it will (ever) be made public?
You have it backwards. Bernanke is scripted by Davos.
If enough money crosses palms, surely it will…if not, then not.
Oh! Okay, I’ll go along with that. Those evil, nasty, IMF’ers!
Shoto! Stop in and check it out. See if you can be a waiter or sumpin.
Yeah, or try to ask hotel staff..they like tips for tips.
Shoto,
How are your shoe shine skillz? Can you get a few cotton towels and a brush?
Again, the IMF, World Bank, and the rest are basically just front organizations that implement the policies established at venues like Davos or the Koch’s little tete a tete. Nor is it really a coordinated conspiracy, but rather a collusion of interests among our global rentier elites.
Whatever it takes…
*G*
LMBO . . .
*G*
I’m SOOOOOO busted . . . . lol
Yep. He could just march in and tell them he is just taking notes for the big Job Summit that will be coming up./ snark!
Sigh. I know. It is just easier if we had a face or something to focus our anger at.
Yeah, wait till ya hear a version of hippie grassed up Freebird!
*SOMEONECARES*
*G*
Charlie Waller N Gents, did Fox like it was meant to be.
*G*
Dress up as a tree and stand in the lobby.
Tell them he is a reporter from the Daily Worker.
“G”
Been there, done that. Can’t do it now though. Old and broke.
LOL
I could walk in and ask one of the biggies where I should hang the flag… Prolly get their attention…
( snort)
Time for me to toddle off. Have to read dissertation chapters tomorrow and, if I am really good, some dissertation proposal material. Take care all.
Shoto!
I’m laughing too hard, but that is better than the Daily Worker reporter!
Lil do they know or unnerstant . . . their lil collusions are are comin home to roost, and it ain’t the pale skins branging it.
It’s the browns.
Teh pales may well follow suit however, as gas is likely to hit $6 or more sooner n later . . . cuz of them damned disturbances in the ME . . .
We sointanly live in interesting times . . . nyuk. ;-)
Goodnight! You are too funny tonight!
YOU are starting to make me laff out loud . . . *G*
What? You mean they might go all Egypt on the elites?
Dang, PP . . . do ya pick? Got an axe?
Never too old to pick n sang . . . never.
N when ya can’t . . . like Uncle Pen I guess.
Can’t imagine not pickin some . . . I started kinda late, n now I’m 58 as of last Monday . . . without pickin I’d go nucking futz I tell ya! ;-)
Love yer comments, thanks . . .
I could tell them that it’s time for us to seize our Sputnik moment, but we’re gonna need the right flag to set the mood.
Doing a drive-by, dehydrating apples for snack food. #10 lbs. a night. 4th night. Very boring. Lots and lots of time to think about shit.
Thank you, Thers.
As a lay person, who had a friendship with an old woman who kept a diary of weather and crops…..the winters we have in the Pacific Northwest are mild and a gardener’s dream compared to the winters and springs of her childhood. She’s 92.
Plus the Army Corps Of Engineers SNAFU where ever the contract hits.
Man, I’ve been watching a cool program on Netflix while I harvest apples. River Monsters.,Jeremy Wade. He’s an extreme fisherman. I used to love fishing, back in the 1970′s, still Native fish. The episode in season 2, about Snakehead, scared the shit out of me!! It’s on right now so Mr. Openhope can watch it. Food for thought, Amerika.
I thought they said Daily Planet . . . it’s all fiction . . . ;-)
I can’t help but wonder if Queen Dumbass of the North, and her tinfoil hat doppelganger from Minnesota are in attendance?
Just dropping in…SNL is hilarious tonight! Skits and music guest together are wonderful. SNL short about John Waters was amazing. I’m sure it will be on YouTube soon.
Strum Like An Egyptian . . . Bang A Gong.
If gas goes up like it seems it might, fast, who knows?
*G*
Damn! I just got back from a nose blow and tear wipe up and there you are with the Sputnik moment! (snort)
Next Tea Party Sign:
“Keep Your Hanks OFF My Sputnik!”
*G*
Only it will be spelt wrong somewhere . . .
Oh yeah, I can strum. I can’t pic though. I do love the grassy lands and specially some of that Kentucky Burbon–Black label.
No-no. Not Daily Planet. Sheeit! You want them to think Shoto is Superman?
“The Daily Worker was a newspaper published in New York City by the Communist Party USA, a formerly Comintern-affiliated organization. Publication began in 1924.”
Geebuz PP, is that some kind of sado/masc or bondage/discp ritual?
Not that I know anything bout that stuff . . . some of my best friends are . . . I don’t care in yer own home . . . don’t bring it to work . . . I won’t ask if ya won’t tell . . . ‘k, out of cliches.
*G*
I’m just way fond of the minor n modals.
30 years with a lap dulcimer self taught.
Then I bought a dobro in ’02, n another one in ’05.
Started hitting fests in ’02.
I was gone, done, finished in heaven, so was my wife.
Lord music, jams, and such are grand.
*G*
I’ll bet Issa is there and a big voice says, Step Away from the Door..
LOL! Well, I’mma gonna beez like the goopers and blame it all on Isls and Shoto. It’s their fault and they did it.
I was raised up in thar Appalachian mountains. Love the music. ALL OF IT!
*G*
Jimmy Olsen was a commie, Perry White was a member of the Bourgeoisie . . .
*G*
Pardon me for interfering in yer comments, but, FUCK Issa.
Sorry. Had to.
Please resume yer normal thoughtful and interesting comments.
(CA BOY)
Yeah and I’m singing, Oh Lord, wancha buy me a Mercedes Benz…
With all do respect,..from a woman who’s been communing with Apples,…Fuck Her. ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~.
Oh, dear LurkingMod, I’m so sorry.
Love,
Openhope
~~~Ok, that’s one.~~
Oh lord . . . bless yer soul n heart and that music then.
Ain’t it all grand . . . you know . . . sigh.
Geebuz, that Appalachian modal sound . . . sibling harmony, simple lap dulcimers, fiddles . . . maybe a 4 String, mando.
A dawghouse if ya were lucky . . . real old timey like Doc Boggs and others . . . sigh. Harmonies like the angels. Sigh.
Well dirty Dick will be there and first on stage.
Issa is…ewww….and he thinks he’s hot when he dresses in black leather…greaser.
I saw a client yesterday, who was lamenting Issa becoming chair of any committee.
His wife came in just then and said, ‘Issa blows goats’,
to which my client immediately replied, ‘Being a goat himself, I supose that’s to his credit.’
All grand and yoinz ain’t seen nuddin yet. Yoinz have to git it together up unner the Ellum tree with a couppla swig jars, an a flat space stomp yer feetz.
bwahahaha
*G*
He’s been a thorn and a bane in CA politics since he rose from the chicken shit he came from . . . IMHO.
Again, sorry to interrupt yer stream of intents . . . I just hate the guy and didn’t know you were from CA.
*G*
Thanks, I needed that . . . ;-)
One thing is for sure, if we have much more of this economic drought I can sure feed myself. I am modern now, but I was taught the meaning of nature and also how to live right.
I’m not from CA.
Yes, how can they have wealth without poverty. Keepin us poor people poor is important to the rich. Where is the Sheriff of Knottingham when you need him! G)
Leave a $5 bill tucked into the top of an empty jug under the big oak tree . . . come back an hour or so later.
Flatfoot all night if yer not a picker or sanger . . . or flatfoot anyways.
*G*
Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. Opinion does not come in to science. One huge, perhaps the worst, problem is that the media allows people to inject opinion into science and it becomes a “he said, she said”. They do a disservice to science and to humanity to allow it to degenerate thus. I don’t care what someone’s opinion is because it’s real. Every time somebody goes to the doctor they are putting their life in the hands of the science of biological evolution. Every time someone flies they are trusting their lives to the science of air pressure and gravity. Whenever somebody writes a blog post about how global climate change is a “myth”, they are steeped up to their eyeballs in math. When somebody looks up into the sky on a clear night, they are proving to themselves that young Earth creationism is bullshit. Someone’s opinion about climate change is as irrelevant as Al Gore’s weight.
We were discussing who Shoto might run into at the Rancho Mirago deal that the Koch Bros are having.
I bet there won’t be any red checked tablecloths there.
Oh . . .
I used to LOVE Charlie Daniels, n then he went all FUndie Fucked up.
But, A Country Boy Can Survive . . . ;-)
The Lurking Mod (yes, it is me once again) is upstairs!
Late Late Night FDL: Dragon Around
So true! So we can all put the Climate Change deniers to bed for good.
Today’s Book Salon was SO good! And yet, so depressing.
One thing I got out of it vicariously [ the Apples], we can do local right now. Period.
Dang Maggie, that came out of nowhere!
How ya doin?
*G*
See you next quarter!
peace and laughter
Yes we can! If it has a Corp logo on it, we don’t want it. Also, if it is made in China, we don’t want it!
Anyway, the Mod wants us to go upstairs and laugh.
Some of my best CA Cuisine I created in my chef’s prime was for red checked table cloths . . . n I was kickin out French/CA goodness.
Sigh, I was young, and wasted all the time in kitchens (while going to college) making money when I coulda been a gypsy and picked music . . . lord . . lol
People hang their denial of evolution on the fact that it is called “the theory of evolution”. This is typical right wing terminology bullshit. They want to platy word games like “what color is black”. It’s frivolous, pointless bullshit. GRAVITY is a theory as well and you know what? People can predict evolution to a much greater degree than they can predict gravity because though we have a good handle on it’s observed effects on a macro scale, we have no idea what it actually is, nor do our theories about it hold up on a nano scale. I want to see all Republicans who think evolution is crap because we can’t describe every aspect of it, step off a ten story building because we have such a poor understanding of gravity.
I have a theory that wingnuts are assholes and I know it is true.
I agree up to the point of Republicans stepping off buildings. They all know shit runs downhill.
Maggie is blazin!
*G*
I like yer theory Mary Mc . . . *G*
Wingnuts really ARE assholes, I’ve seen it in our community in an intimate way. Standing across the street from them on Sunday protests. They’re also aggressive until confronted by Resisters instead of Peace People. Then they call the cops. Also, for loud Youngblood music that drowns out their Patriot shit music. Cop call for music.
You can not reason with these people. They have no reason, no empathy and no vision outside of the vision they were told to have. It’s not there.
Second that
That too
Let’s look at it this way, if there’s a massive climate **** up and people are dying left and right and it’s up to the scientists to preserve a fraction of the human race, the scientists can refuse to help anyone unless all of the people on the record of being climate change deniers and their families are kicked out of the survival bunker.
Sure, you can keep that climate change denier in the bunker…but don’t expect me to fix the air recycling system.
climate change is a distraction!
the real issue is sustainable energy, which conveniently also is the solution to climate change. But getting bogged down in the he said/she said nonsense of climate change is exactly what the plutocrats of the fossil fuel industries want. Creating confusion and doubt enables them to continue to reap their billions while destroying the planet.
Sustainable energy on the other hand is free: sun, wind, waves, thermal – all free. Ergo no sustainable energy plutocrats, which is why they will fight sustainable energy with all the means, wealth, lies and dissembling at their disposal. Letting them ball everything up in a climate change “debate” (as if there is any doubt) is exactly what they want.
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It’s actually cow burps
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article2051364.ece
but ‘farts’ is funnier.