What would John Galt and Howard Roark say?
Critics of Social Security and Medicare frequently invoke the words and ideals of author and philosopher Ayn Rand, one of the fiercest critics of federal insurance programs. But a little-known fact is that Ayn Rand herself collected Social Security. She may also have received Medicare benefits.
An interview recently surfaced that was conducted in 1998 by the Ayn Rand Institute with a social worker who says she helped Rand and her husband, Frank O’Connor, sign up for Social Security and Medicare in 1974.
Federal records obtained through a Freedom of Information act request confirm the Social Security benefits.
Collectivist! Dagny Taggart weeps.
And before any glibertarians come back with “but…but…she paid into it so there’s no hypocrisy” in comments, Rand herself wrote,
There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction.
Adding an extra layer of crow to the deliciousness, the Ayn Rand Center for the Center for F*ck You I Got Mine Individual Rights has an article on its website right now titled, “Social Security is Immoral.”
IOKIYARand.
(h/t PW)





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How delicious. Thanks, BT
Now will the Tea Party give a shit?!? Nope.
I really can’t say that I find this all that surprising. Randians have always been more talk than action.
IMHO, if you scratch the surface of any libertarian or Republican, you will find a hypocrite. Thanks for further demolishing the myth of hypocrite Rand (the first was when it was revealed she based her philosophy on a serial killer. Ick).
Hard to “go Galt” if you need a mailing address to receive your SS check.
Perfect. Pretenditarians.
Clearly, they are a bunch of Morans…
Nah, they’ll all be at the movies.
I have to wonder if any of the 3 dudes pictured have actually read any of her books, which after reading them 45 years ago I can’t get past the first few pages now.
Ayn Rand was a hypocrite. Imagine that.
Hmmmm. Should be a Q for any TPer over age 65: Do you collect SS?
I have exactly the same experience. I picked up one a couple of years ago, that I devoured in HS. As you say, couldn’t get beyond a couple of pages.
The Tea Party crazies should also ask Rand Paul how much money he took from Medicare and Medicaid in his medical practice. Remember “NO COMPPROMISE” on values!
Oh I love this stuff. find more, yummy.
You gotta be shittin’ me! Geez, Fountainhead with Gary Cooper and the ever gorgeous Patricia Neal was a dud, imo.
Doubt that any TBs have read Rand. Someone just told them about the philosophy and that was enough.
Do you people really want to see the intelligence of the population? Seriously? You wonder why, oh why, is the economy globally so f’cked up??? Well, I’ll tell you and show you. We are losing jobs, houses, lifestyles, and then some, so when the good people actually get a chance to ask important pertinent questions, what do they ask the President? I just slap my forehead and groan. People truly are idiotic. Here is the link, for those that want to see the number 1 question Americans want to know about…and it’s not jobs, or the economy, or healthcare, or anything of importance whatsoever:
http://www.youtube.com/worldview
EPuE’d from Late Late Nite ZED comment:
Ayn Rand, Hypocrite?
Legendary opponent of “welfare state” received Social Security and probably Medicare
The Tea Party god turns out to be a selfish hypocrite.
What a surprise….
You have to be careful how you ask. I know some docs who don’t apply for any reimbursement. You pay before you leave the office, they hand you a detailed bill, and you apply for reimbursement.
So if you were to ask the Q, you’d have to ask not only what he gets directly, but how much reimbursement his patients get from Medicare/Medicaid.
i also posted this on another thread
same for Congressmen Ryan
What, did you just read Michael Whitney’s post and get yer chest all puffed up?
If you look deeper than the question itself you might understand what the “war against drugs” has done to our country, to say nothing of the vast amounts of money and resources wasted.
Oh, Rand I believe was asked that question during the Senate race and pretty much admitted that he was doing the filing for it – after all, he deserves it because of who he is.
hi SD,hows da babies?
You’re absolutely correct, but I am sure it’s a moot point. Even if the question is asked, correctly, it won’t be answered honestly.
And Michelle Bachman’s family gets farm subsidies and Sarah Palin’s family gets free healthcare in Alaska because their “natives” and an annual welfare check for “their” share of the oil revenues in Alaska. Republicans are serial hypocrites.
Kelly Canfield did an excellent January 7, 2011 post on the massive poseur, Alisa Zenovievna, aka “Ayn Rand,” which revealed the following:
Need I say more?
We be fine. How about yours?
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-state-of-the-union-2011-5052105
Ryan welfare queen
Via WSJ May 14, 2010
mighty fine,but its cold!
IOKIYAR
I have no doubt the importance SD. None whatsoever and in a better economic climate, I honestly could understand it totally. Right now? I guess deep down, the doom and gloom just can’t be real at all?? Ask the President about jobs, the economy, healthcare? Oh no way bub. Can we legalize smoking dope so I can like, be high when you give me the shaft, and like, not really care how badly you screw up the economy?? Maybe I’m wrong, but, oh. my. God. With unemployment supposedly in the double digits, would you not think there would be, oh I don’t know, something of higher importance? With jobs being lost daily all over the nation, when the Dems said “we have to fix healthcare now” did you not think WTF? I think this is WTF to me. Another time, yes, it is vitally important, but to think making pot legal is going to do anything about mom and dad losing their home? I think not.
You should have posted an irony alert. I particularly “liked” the last sentence.
I stumbled accross this on another forum. Made me wonder how folks would answer?
Since I’m against the mandate to purchase health insurance, am I a hypocrite if I file a claim under that health insurance?
We’re forced to pay into a system we disagree with, but are attacked/shamed if we try to get the services that we were mandated to pay for.
I seriously doubt that most Tea Partiers/libertarians/whatever have read any of Rand’s drek; they just buy the “novels” at the store to carry around with them with the titles prominently displayed… in order to show how “intellectual” they are.
Like many here, I read the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged in my mid-teens and found the writing style ponderous and tedious. Even in the way back machine I was totally disgusted with the one “heroine” who “enjoyed” being raped by Galt (I think; cannot work up the energy to look it up). I mean: seriously??? And then the whole “utopia” notion where all these vaunted self-made “hard workers” went off somewhere to preen around with their ill-gotten booty??? I mean: even at 15, I saw how dumb this was.
Anyway, I read about Ayn Rand collecting Soc Sec and Medicare a long time ago. Hypocrites R Libertarians & Galters. They’re the first in line with their hands out to collect whatever they can, whilst shoving everyone else out of the way. That way it’s more for them and less for the dusky lazy minorities, doncha know???
Thanks!! That was one of the posts where I read about this (albeit I even heard about it sooner), but thanks, too, to Kelly for his fine post about the hypocritical Ayn Rand and her hypocritcal minions.
Keep your gubnint hands off my Medicare power scooter…
You’d think if Rand was so fundamentally against Social Security, Rand would avoid collecting Social Security on personal principle. I don’t know Rand’s personal financial situation, but I can’t imagine she was ever in a position where she NEEDED the money.
Even if confronted with this factual reality about Ayn Rand collecting her “welfare entitlements,” Ayn Rand’s libertarian minions will find some way to cling to their cognitive dissonance and say it was “ok” for Rand but not for anyone else.
No way will these fools give up their foolish “philosophy” or “political ideology” or stinkin’ thinkin’.
Ask Obama about jobs, the economy or healthcare and we know we’re going to get a boilerplate pos answer. There was a guy in Tallahassee from the TX justice system last week telling the pols here that in order to lower the prison population we’ve got to quit locking people up for non-violent drug offenses. This issue isn’t in a vacuum. It relates to the way we deal with problems in this country, which is piss poorly. It’s a stepping stone in changing the way we see and relate to things.
Or about the criminal banker fucks who destroyed the economy.
Between December 1974 and her death in March 1982, Rand collected a total of $11,002 in monthly Social Security payments.
The couple registered for benefits shortly after Rand, a two-pack-a-day smoker, had surgery for lung cancer in the summer of 1974.
Back to work.
Namaste
Reading through these comments I see a definite absence our usually omnipresent Randian trolls.
Sometimes it seems so hopeless. The propaganda always wins.
Case in fact-THIS MORNING ABC “News” aka Good Morning (oh ha!) America-Ms Chang informed me that social security is in worse shape than thought and I quote “going bankrupt.”
I had just read it’s solvent until 2037-they had that date but the implication now this morning in America-that it’s broke the second after that. How do we ever win against the propaganda?
I haven’t researched where her news propaganda in favor of the filthy rich division got their figures but goddamn it-what timing! I can’t wait to watch the bullshit fly from our great Democratic leaders in “defense”. Waiting as always for more than words and this thing called action.
Ayn Rand was a delusional hack hyprocrite and useful idiot of the criminally wealthy. Her disciples are delusionals, no better than the various millenialist cults that have a propensity for occasional mass suicides. Her witterings are not worth a nanosecond of consideration. She had absolutely nothing intelligent or useful to say.
Probably setting up deals for those Medicare-financed motorized power scooters…
BT: I guess you’ve seen this.
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/privacy-issues-hover-over-police-drone-use-1203350.html
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Shhhh.
Yup. Rand wrote her books to appeal to brainy, socially awkward, naive, self-involved youth who felt that the world owed them a living because they were so smart. It’s no accident that most Randians report becoming such in their teens (which is of course why Randians fight to get her books on high school reading lists). Whether or not you grow out of it depends on whether you’re too self-involved to have empathy for others.
I once encountered someone in her forties who’d just become a Randian. It was a scary experience.
Damn those Social Welfare programs. We better get rid of them.
Keep writing those letters to the editor. They want you to give up. Don’t give them that satisfaction.
And creepy.
Yeah. Don’t wanna jinx us.
Of course it always wins. I’ve spent this month dealing with customers who are convinced their payroll software is not calculating their taxes properly. They believed their net pay would go up and their taxes go down. Sadly, I’ve had to inform them that just because the gubmint says a thing, does not make it entirely accurate. You should hear the amazement. Who knew.
The article continues…
“She was coming to a point in her life where she was going to receive the very thing she didn’t like, which was Medicare and Social Security,” Pryor told McConnell….
“The initial argument was on greed,” Pryor continued. “She had to see that there was such a thing as greed in this world. Doctors could cost an awful lot more money than books earn, and she could be totally wiped out by medical bills if she didn’t watch it. Since she had worked her entire life, and had paid into Social Security, she had a right to it. She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”
McConnell asked: “And did she agree with you about Medicare and Social Security?”
Pryor replied: “After several meetings and arguments, she gave me her power of attorney to deal with all matters having to do with health and Social Security. Whether she agreed or not is not the issue, she saw the necessity for both her and Frank. She was never involved other than to sign the power of attorney; I did the rest.”
I thought all those tsk-tsking Libertarians and conservatives advocated for slackers who smoked and drank too much – thus causing themselves to be ill – should stop being such social parasites and *pay their own bills for the ills that they chose to inflict upon themselves,* and stop expect the “nanny state” to “take care of them.”
Oh: It’s OK if you’re a conservative or libertarian or Ayn Rand though…
The one thing Randians all seem to have in common is their absolute revulsion and contempt for reality. Whether that be economic, social, scientific or otherwise, facts are their enemies.
In other words: Ayn Rand was a base hypocrite.
Same is true for most citizens, more’s the pity, but goes double for the Randians and the Tea Party.
Objectivism is bullshit that sounds fine on paper and works out well for characters in fictional stories.
Well, ya know the Surgeon General’s warning label was affixed only in 1966 so it wasn’t her fault that she didn’t take her constant hacking seriously… It’s big government’s fault. See?
Fixed it for ya.
I’m pretty sure her heroes would murder a child in response to this…
Because one was based on a serial killer if I haven’t forgotten.
Why of course! You are so right. It was not at all Rand’s fault… /s
Wow. 40ish woman just turned Randian. Reading that actually made my head hurt. I read Fountainhead – or part of it – when I was young – found it poorly written and stupid content.
Thanks for this post, BT!
heh… I’ll go along with that.
Just like Communism. Communism looks wonderful on paper and it works extremely well for ants. The trouble is that people aren’t ants.
How sad!
If only we had more people like Ayn Rand…….we could ALL be living in caves!!!
More ugly Ayn (via thoughtstreaming):
And there’s this:
She didn’t give a shit about anything or anyone but herself. The above are in a book called Ayn Rand Answers.
I’m not fan of Rand’s beliefs, but if she earned wages and paid into the system, then she’s entitled to collect. This ought to be a lesson to right-wingers who mendaciously characterize Social Security as a welfare program. It’s not. It’s an insurance program.
Yeah, I think I found Atlas Shrugged incredibly puerile when I picked it up at age 13. Not much nuance there.
Atlas Shrugged for Thee. Not for Me.
I read it when I was living is South Africa. It did not seem to apply to the 22 Million disenfranchised and impoverished Blacks in South Africa, so I dismissed it as BS.
I’m amazed that anyone took it seriously. A walk in the streets of Joburg (now iGoldi) was a clear demonstration of its complete and utter nonsense.
Or Lagos, where I grew up. Or a council estate in the UK.
Or Somalia.
eCahn,
True story, just happened last weekend. Our Congressman and state Senator
both R’s held a meet and greet in Rockford, Ill. The majority of the people at the meeting were Tea Party activists.
Anyway, the local TP leader called the Repub plan to cut $2.5 trillion over the next ten years “meager” and wanted the R’s to cut $11 trillion instead which got a great applause from the audience, next the discussion centered on extending the debt limit and the suggestion was “no, absolutely no way.” This was followed by more applause.
The congresscritters then explained that if that happens there would be a govt. shutdown and the very next month, Social Security checks would not be in the mail to all those that receive the checks. DEAD SILENCE from the audience.
People are a strange type of mutated mammal that likes to dress up in clothes, drive cars, and vote for other strange mammals. Unf’ingbelievable.
But of course. Everyone’s a socialist when there’s something in it for them.
Agree that she was entitled to it but I also agree with BT and Kelly before him that she was an entitled hypocrite.
I suppose so.
As BT points out above, “before any glibertarians come back with “but…but…she paid into it so there’s no hypocrisy”.
Rand herself may have rationalized that since she had paid into Social Security and Medicare, she was entitled to receive benefits. In a 1966 article for The Objectivist newsletter, she wrote about the morality of accepting Social Security, unemployment insurance or similar payments:
It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.
I wonder what it would take to make capitalism work for average Americans and not just for the wealthiest Americans.
Our political and economic leaders have forgotten that there has to be some level of restraint on people with power and they’ve forgotten that the system can’t work for the wealthiest Americans if it stops working for the rest of us.
LOL…idjiots
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Suggests to me she should have suffered the consequences of her smoking herself. No reason to become a ward of the state after she didn’t take care of herself.
I have an idea for a novel to counter ayn rands nonsense…
The ayn randians leave the civilized world to create a Galts Gulch…
The rest of the world builds a wall around it so they can never leave.
Ten years go by and the randroids manage to work together long enough to blow a hole in the wall and escape from their nightmarish hellscape only to find the rest of the world having abandoned wars in the name of the elite and having banded together once and for all got on spaceships, left the earth and after the surviving randroids surface the only thing they see are the planet cracking missiles that the sane part of humanity chose to use to solve the human races greatest problem.
Not to mention their Medicare payments.
Niiiice.
Ah! But it’s not “socialism” for them! THEY are entitled to it. I know a right winger who recently got laid off from work and an ex coworker lined him up a good job and all he had to do was show up but he decided to ride his UI benefits instead. This after badmouthing me for “being lazy” for the last two years. Not to my face of course but some mutual friends, (the aforementioned ex coworker for example), told me about how he used to go on and on about him “having to support people like (me)”. That is your typical Randian.
That woman doesn’t fit the demographics of a Randian. An awful lot of them are males, aged 18 to 25, with questionable social skills–and probably never had a serious girlfriend.
Capitalism will never work for the average American anymore than communism will. Some form of modified socialism is the most likely to work imo.
I was being facetious eCAHN… :)
I’ve been suggesting we do that with Israel for decades now… It would work for the Randroids, (I like that!), though as well.
I was focusing more on the need for regulation in any system, something that Objectivist daydreamers don’t get.
Those in positions of power get the need for regulation. They just spout Objectivist bullshit and all other manner of nonsense in order to make sure that it’s not imposed on them.
Regulation for thee but not for me isn’t regulation. That’s a caste system.
Me too.
That was my rec. for the endless civil was in Lebanon. Put up a wall around it and charge fees for people to come & blast each other to smithereens. Paintball for ‘adults.’
Old Italian saying: Make laws with your friends and apply them to your enemies.
Of course, in American today the powerful control those who make the laws and make sure the laws are applied to anyone who might succeed with a better idea or product.
So much for Ayn Rand…
Hahahahaha
Rand Paul was asked whether he got money from Medicare on CNN and he changed the subject by suggesting they discuss the sexual peccadillos of the interviewer. Rand Paul is not only a hypocrite, he is one mean s.o.b.
It’s unfortunate that stupidity can’t be contained.
The meanness is genetically linked. You can’t have that kind of ‘intellectual’ attitude without a complete lack of empathy, or more likely, hatred, for other humans.
I’ve always felt that pure (true) communism could work if people weren’t so prone toward greed.
Whose surprised? Won’t make any difference. Ayn has won, just look around you at the ruins her ideology of SELFISHNESS and greed has brought upon us by it’s followers in power everywhere.
LOL
Thanks for the laugh! How many people would you guesstimate were there?
No one in his or her right mind could argue that this country would be better off without Social Security and Medicare.
Bear in mind that extreme libertarians also don’t believe in public education. They believe in a de facto caste system. If you are born into poverty, then you should die in poverty–and quickly.
So her reasoning was you have to use entitlement to take down the entitlement programs?? Got it.
How about that gosh darn rugged individualism, when you don’t give a crap about anyone but yourself? Works until, you have to admit you need help from someone.
You should read emptywheels post earlier, I think she was saying the opposite.
I think Rand would (eventually) agree with you.
You’d be surprised how embedded the notion is. How many times have you heard from acquaintances, in TV ads, etc.: “If I can do it, anyone can.”
Same thing.
According to a follow-up article in the Rockford Register~Star, the “town hall meeting drew nearly 400 people. The audience was overwhelmingly, if not totally, white and, judging from most of the questions, decidedly on the right edge of the conservative movement.”
Rockford Register~Star, January 23, and January 24th.
Kind of an inconsequential post. If you paid for SS and Medicare over the years, there is no problem collecting on it.
If you paid for it, why wouldn’t you collect on it, even if you disagreed with it to begin? It’s like a car dealer selling you a car with a radio and you don’t want a radio, but all cars come with one. You paid for it, are you going to rip it out?
So, a non-existent controversy.
You’d find more contradictions with free thinkers who bally-who free speech, but then give the old, “Four legs good, but two legs better” excuse for shutting some speakers down they disagree with.
I agree – The GOP never recalls that in her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, William Edward Hickman, sadistic killer-dismemberer of a 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 – modeling her first literary creation — Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street — on him.
She used this killer as an early model for the type of “ideal man” she promoted in her more famous books. Why? Because a good sociopath is one for whom “”Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should,.. (he had) no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel ‘other people,,, (and that gives him a)”genuinely beautiful soul”. Sounds like her character Howard Roark, the hero of her novel The Fountainhead: “He was born without the ability to consider others”, doesn’t it?
And Clarence Thomas is a follower, as is Greenspan. No wonder we’re screwed. But the right forgets she was pro-abortion rights, and a taker of Social Security and Medicare, with a sex life that would best be understood by Hugh Hefner.
with
If I don’t want it, yes. That’s what Rand preached her entire career. Get rid of these programs! It’s terribly hypocritical for her to avail herself of these programs while protesting against their existence. If they shouldn’t exist, they also shouldn’t be used, right? Logical inference.
What the fuck does that even mean?
I am laughing my head off…………. what a find!
I’ve got a true story for you about the Rand people.
There was a time when I considered pursuing a graduate degree in political science. I didn’t know that the Rand Corporation was named after Ayn Rand, whom I only knew a little about. I did come across mentions of research done by the Rand Corporation a few times when working on term papers, and I saw something about graduate programs with the Rand Corp. So I called to learn more about their program. I’ll never forget the bizarre, paranoid tone of the person at the other end of the line and the chilly reception I got from the word hello. “Why are you interested in the Rand Corporation?” You had to hear the way the question was asked to fully understand why I was struck by the paranoid tone. I answered honestly and asked for more information. I gave my contact information. I never heard back.
That was my first big clue about how wacky those people are. I’ve since learned more about them and am so glad I never wasted my time getting further involved.
First, you don’t know the motivation behind why they took SS. There is nothing in the record–unless I missed something–which said they took it because they were broke, or had to.
Second, there are a number of other reasons. Without knowing the actual reason, comments about contradictions in philosophy are complete speculation.
Which is exactly the whole point of having Social Security and Medicare available for everyone
From 1984, the gimmicked up reasoning the pigs used to justify giving themselves rights that they were not willing to extend to others.
Me personally, if I paid for something, I’m going to collect to at least some of my money back.
If you think someone stole money from you, and you have a chance to get some back, I am sure you would.
Oh, I am not surprised. But the very persons who swear by rugged individualism are the very persons who end up needing the benefits of the “greater good.”
A friend who believes in rugged individualism had a baby.
I asked why didn’t she just put the baby in it’s crib and leave it alone? Let it fend for itself.
She thought I was cruel and crazy.
“Ah, so you do believe in vulnerable members of the population needing the help of the community?” I responded.
I was not under the impression that Empty Wheel was arguing against social security and medicare. I thought she argued clearly that Ayn Rand was a hypocrite whose ideology did not hold up against reality.
I’m sorry I didn’t make that clear.
EDIT: I see that this thread is for an article by Blue Texan, so by “she,” you must mean Ayn Rand and not Empty Wheel. I’ll have to look for that.
I agree completely.
This seemed quite fishy. So, I looked as best I could in the record on Rand. There is no evidence she or her husband needed SS or Medicare to live or remain in an apartment or any other evidence or statements of destitution. As far as I could tell, the opposite was true.
So are you of the belief that SS and Medicare should not be available? (and for the record, if you look, I copied that blockquoted piece from the alan1tx comment I was replying to)
The vulnerable “members” you mention are NOT babies.
Do you have some statements from Rand saying that she thought completely crippled or handicapped people should not be helped by the community?
NO, I didn’t say I thought SS should not be available.
Only that the logic used to criticize Rand was not very logical.
Rather, the Economist tries to make this claim (that i think EW disagrees with):
See my #56 above. The article says she gave Pryor power of attorney to deal with all matters having to do with health and Social Security. Whether she agreed or not is not the issue, she saw the necessity for both her and Frank. She was never involved other than to sign the power of attorney; Pryor did the rest.
Put in that context, it makes sense. Thank you.
You wrote – “Without knowing the actual reason, comments about contradictions in philosophy are complete speculation.”
Reason has nothing to do with the contradiciton in philosophy. If Rand felt so strongly about social security and medicare she would never have used them, no matter the reason. Not because the law made her pay into them. If her philosophy was strong, nothing would have motivated her to take SS PARTICULARLY if she did not need it.
Ah, here we go with the twisted thinking to make certain viewpoints “fit.”
No one here is arguing that Ayn Rand didn’t “deserve” to collect Soc Sec, esp if she, in fact, contributed to it (don’t know bc as someone self-employed, she would have to take extra steps to pay into the program; some self-employed people don’t). Nor are we saying that conservatives shouldn’t collect Soc Sec or Medicare simply because they *oppose* it.
The point is the blatant hypocrisy of Ayn Rand collecting Soc Sec and possibly Medicare after writing novels extolling the virtues of rugged individualism and never “relying” on the dreaded gov’t for help or assistance… plus preaching the same to her followers, who, allegedly, are leading their lives according to these so-called libertarian principles.
It’s called a Double Standard. I also call it stinkin’ thinkin.
Thanks. Exactly.
And as someone self-employed, Rand possibly could have found a way to avoid paying into the programs if she was so motivated. I’m NOT saying Rand didn’t pay into Soc Sec & Medicare; I do NOT know. Just saying that I know self-employed people who somehow manage not to pay into them. so…
Exactly. Rand gave someone Power of Atty, so Rand could “feel good” about her hypocritical “principals.” BAH. Rand knew exactly what Pryor was doing. So much for Rand’s vaunted “rugged individualism.” It’s ok for someone else to “take care of themselves.” Rand preferred to take what conservatives now routinely call “welfare entitlements.” I don’t see Soc Sec as “welfare” at all, but that’s conservatives and libertarians swing by to FDL to tell us.
So if it’s “welfare,” then how can anyone accept Rand taking it?????
What is Soc Sec??? A welfare entitlement that no one deserves because it’s part of the dreaded “nanny state”????? Or is it something like a personal savings account that all citizens deserve to utilize???
Sorry: it doesn’t work both ways.
Well someone has addressed this…
Wasn’t Rand shrugging personal responsibility when she gave someone her power of attorney?
Ayn Rand spent 15 years in Hollywood chasing movie actors. Her jobs ranged from doing makeup to clipping hair. Despite good looks, her voice was raspy and unpleasant so she never got interest for her ambitions.
Basically, she was a celebrity f*cker.
Then she figured out how to turn flattery into a pop philosophy. She worshipped narcissists, so she set out to market books that flattered the narcissistic traits in everyone.
Every teenage boy, anyway.
If she’d been half-memorable in the sack, she wouldn’t have had to bother.
BTW: scr*wing everything warm remained her avocation into her 50s. More like s*cking at that point. That’s how she seduced Alan Greenspan while he was in college.
Take Social Security ?? She took everything else.
The Truth About the Tea Party
Matt Taibbi
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928
It is clear the Tea Party will not care, they do it themselves.
When people like Ayn Rand take extreme philosophical positions I wonder where the ideas came from. My reaction after reading her first, largely autobiographical book, “We The Living” was to say “of course she would” rebell against totalitarianism in Russia (communism) by worshipping individualism under the guise of Amerca’s version of personal freedom. If she was here to defend herself she would shush me and deny being a product of her early life experiences! For me there is no magic, and there are either explanations for why things occur or we just do not yet know the how and the why.
Many artists I have met who have embraced Rand’s self-celebrating style in order to develop an intense, singular focus on their creative work have benefitted from that extra focus through extra hours of piano practice or sustained efforts. Other folks I have encountered who embraced Rand as a ‘creed’ seem to have destroyed parts of themselves that were virtuous, friendly, self-sacrificing, generous and kind.
heh… sure. There’s that, as well.
If you are against crime and someone takes your wallet, should you refuse to accept it back?
I’m surprised it only took until comment #139 to get to the always rich “taxes are theft” take.
My analogy wasn’t intended to illustrate taxes as theft. Merely force. I don’t think anyone can argue that taxes aren’t force. The tyranny of the majority and all that…
HUH? The “tyranny of the majority”? How about the majority that voted the huge tax breaks for the rich? How about the majority that voted to engage in useless, senseless wars, BTW, W/O a raise in taxes? How about the majority that voted to enact the USA PATRIOT Act? How about the majority that voted to impeach President Clinton? Whose tyranny?
Last I recall, the American electoral system is a winner take all situation. Whomever has the majority controls the legislation. However, a constitutional amendment makes it legal to raise income taxes. Period.
As for Rand, Ryan (see above later entry about Paul Ryan using Social Security survivor benefits), and apparently, “carlivar”, et al, I’ve always contended that these folks NEVER let paltry facts get in the way, either historical or contemporary ones.
And liberals, governed by emotion, are prone to hysterics. But it’s okay. Don’t forget you have 50% in common with libertarians (civil liberties).
“tyranny of the majority” is simply a known side-effect of democracy. I’m not saying I have a solution. As Churchill said (and I paraphrase) “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the others that have been tried.”
Ayn Rand sold hundreds of thousands of books EVERY year from the late 50s until her death in 1982 (and still does).
She generated more income and paid more in taxes than pretty much any dozen of you hacks and flacks and perpetual state school “students” ever will.
SO she was entitled in a way you never will be to get back 2% of the money stolen from her.
Only you ==edited by mod== don’t understand that. That’s why you lost the House in 2010 and will lose the Senate in 2012.
==modnote: no name calling==
Matt is a half-wit middle-brow whose detailed accounts of the financial crisis are shallow and fail to address how state monopoly fiat currencies cause the business cycle.
I suspect he isn’t bright enough to fathom Hayek’s “Prices and Production,” and can only repeat bromides from ENRON economist/advisor Paul Krugman.
Firstly, Ayn Rand tried to get back some of the money taken from her without her consent, from a program she didn’t support. Who in their right mind wouldn’t try to get back money stolen from them by force?
Secondly, this article is a plain and simple example of the tu quoque fallacy. It’s a lame attempt to deflect our attention away from the amoral, and impractical, social security system that is going to bankrupt us all if it is not eliminated.
Nice try.
Ayn Rand violated her self-stated “First Principles.” That cannot be denied.
And so will you violate such first principles once you find yourself needing a collective benefit? I highly doubt it.
In fact, isn’t the concept of “insurance” itself anti-Randian? Insurance spreads risk around a group.
So how about you don’t participate in any insurance programs? Otherwise, aren’t you a “moocher” or a “looter?”
On another note, Ayn Rand would have despised the tea party. Figures like Bush, Bachmann, and Palin would have been her Cubbies and Boyles. The collective idiocy of the tea party, replete with its snake handling Baptists and God-using politicians would not have made them heroes in her eyes, but quite the opposite.