You wanted red? Red? RED?

I was lookin’ everywhere for them reds,
Got up in the mornin’ looked under the bed,
Looked behind the sink behind the bar,
Even looked in the glove compartment of my car,
Couldn’t find ‘em.

I was home alone, I started to sweat,
Figgured they was inside the TV set.
Peaked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet right up to my brain,
Them reds caused it.
I know they did, them hard core ones.

(Bob Dylan, Talkin’ John Birch Society Blues)

Time was when they would have complained if the tee-shirts were red, too.

In the screen capture from Fox, the identification of Malkin should be changed from author of the book Unhinged to subject of the book Unhinged.

Saw this as the Drudge headline, too.

I take it as a sign that the right was so blown away by the president’s speech last night that they were forced to hang their flimsy anti-Obama arguments on such a bizarre, abstract and clearly false critical angle. Obama won…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog

— f*ck it, we’ll do it live.

Heh. I have an arm patch for one of my combat jackets that says this.

As for the Anchor Baby, I thought all anchor babies were color blind?

Jeebus Right Wing Nut Jobbers, this gig was an University of Arizona production, on their campus, at their activity center (McKale) and Wildcat Navy Blue is their color. Yes, it really is that fucking simple.

And if they’d been red? Obviously the Left’s Blood Libel against the Right. And if they’d been pink? A call to join Obama’s Socialist Party. Green? To support the myth of Global Warming, which every rightie knows is a conspiracy manufactured by atheists. Black? A Black Panther conspiracy to take over all future White Houses… Methinks thou hast protesteth thyself into blithering idiocy.

or
Unhinged Author ;)

My daughter in Tucson went to the event last night. She said that she knew people must have wondered about all the cheering and clapping. The place was packed with UofA students and she said it was obvious they needed something to cheer about and also that they were simply too young to grasp the full national impact of this. I imagine that it was very personal to them since it happened in their city.

Oh come on!! Too young?!? I’m sorry but that’s the biggest line of BS that has been used all over the internet. Too young? They are in f’ing University! Never been to a funeral or wake service or memorial? Bullshit. They catcalled and whipped it up, and in my opinion were totally disrespectful. Even Obama looked ashamed at some moments of glorious yelling. Hell when did the band lead the football team through? Quit justifying morally bad behaviour. If this was a Bush event you people would be screaming.

Wow. Where’s the aggression coming from? I didn’t see Twain justifying anything. I saw Twain saying the kids were emotionally involved and excited to have the President in town and proud of two of their own who acted with a degree of heroism last Saturday.

Being in Arizona, be it far to the north, I think the service was fine. I work for the UA and have been past the intersection many times during travel to campus. They celebrated the heros and eulogized the dead.

You are correct. Since when did decorum at a memorial service morph into a pep rally. Another sign of our times.

See the link at the bottom of the post. RED!

You are right and Twain I apologize. I’ve just been reading that as an excuse for these “students” rude behaviour everywhere online, and it’s ludicrous. I understand it was a memorial. I get that. I don’t understand the yelling, the catcalls, and the use of t-shirts. WTF? Is that like a momento of the occasion? “People got killed and all I got was this louzy tshirt”???

I know nothing about this event except what I’ve read this am here at FDL. Unhinged Anchor Baby’s continuous whining about nothing is to be expected, along with all the other ridiculous rightwingnuts jizzing up their “base” about how gawd-effen-aaawful it was bc that d*mned (alleged) “Democratic” POTUS, ya know, “did something….” and whatever that “something” was, it was, by definition, the terrible worstest thing evah! Buncha putzes *definitely politicizing* the memorial service their own ends. Whatever. To be expected.

I thought the crowd reaction was spontaneous and heartfelt, personally I don’t understand the criticism.

I do see how parts of it may have been overboard. The tshirts, hopefully, will grace the torsos of hundreds around campus today and further the healing of this tragedy. I think that was the goal.

But as Elliott says @16, it seemed genuine and spontaneous. They weren’t cheerleading Obama. They were mourning the dead and celebrating the living. IMHO.

Shelton’s embarrassing, thinly-veiled partisan cheerleading for Obama tonight

Az Matt – I have sketchy recollection of a contretemps btw President Shelton and the 08 Obama Campaign wherein Shelton was instrumental (pressure from Alums) in denying them a venue for an on-campus campaign event ??

not that the facts have ever stopped everyone’s favorite cheerleader :D

It’s the BLUE TSHIRTS THEIR BLUE!

How rude. I reported on what a person who was there said. I didn’t like to cheering but I wasn’t there to experience the feeling in the place. You have no justification to say that I am justifying morally bad behavior, but you might learn about good manners.

Making T-Shirts for a concert, party, even a family gathering is not unheard of the GOP’s just pissed that Obama talking about the shooting is such an event.
The GOP wants this story to go away. I want the victim’s families to sue the GOP hate Media machine.
Crass is not a t-shirt its an anchor baby screaming to deport everyone else who came in after she did.

The school colors of the UA are red and blue, and it’s a fervently held tradition for fans to show up to a Wildcats basketball game wearing red shirts; it’s literally a sea of red in the stands; I’ve been there.

To show up dressed as the ‘Zona Zoo would have been in VERY poor taste; and it’s entirely likely that blue was the only color on hand in sufficient stock to print up that many, that quickly.

It sounds like a case for the tortfeasors.*g*

Maybe I’m old. Maybe this is a new trend. When Granny dies hand out t-shirts at the church door and hire local teenagers to stand on the steps and scream.

Thanks for the post, BT. Brightened my mood.

Hello CBL and Kris and pups.

Contrarian assholes will be contrarian assholes just to be conratrian assholes.

Think like a GOPer for a second money is everything the fact that people can make money selling these t-shirts suggests to the GOP that the anti gun, lets shut down hate media faction has reached a level of popularity that level is profit.
The GOP fears that if the profit/popularity of our cause gets bigger then they won’t be the cool kids anymore.
The GOP fears losing their fake popular mandate. They wanted cheering crowds of white people for the shooter.

c’mon hippies, our authoritarian friends are correct on this whole decorum thingy – they should have passed out parkas

Big family reunions no t-shirts?

Them Hokie shirts are maroon which is part blue which means that the Hokie memorial was contaminated, too, doubtless by a cynical Democrat (sic) operative.

hey you hunkahunkaburnin’ love !

And they smell like shit.

Obama kinda made my hopey-changey sack tingle last night.

Then I remembered the public option.

I didn’t get the impression that they were selling the t-shirts. Sounds like they were just giving them away.

Does Sarah Palin have a clothing line yet? I bet she’d design a “killer” parka.

Heh-indeed.

Family reunion? Is that what that was?

Uh if you take away profit then just what is wrong with giving t-shirts away for free so people can remember and say I was there! Are Malkin and Amanda saying that everyone there who took a t-shirt was just White, Brown Black trash?
Are they the new Elitist Fashion police?

Giving them out free is even worse! It’s state-supported political indoctrination!!!

Similar energy people come together to share grief tell stories to bond.

I watched/listened to C-SPAN’s coverage, the onscreen host/announcer mentioned the many volunteer workers in the arena who were easily visible b/c they were wearing special red clothing.

only a matter of time..

Right. I still treasure my Kennedy funeral t-shirt. One of the stages of grief is somehow getting a t-shirt.

That was just to throw the right-wing bloggers off.

They wanted, they choose to take the shirts there are lots of times I ignore free t-shirts because they are to commercial or stupid looking if people choose to take the shirts then whats the harm.
Granted I know little of Fashion and proper decorum but who looks for advice for that from Malkin? I don’t know Amanda Carpenter but Freakin Malkin giving advice on decorum when she isn’t screaming hate or violent threats uh Malkin I suspect only knows the proper decorum for a party…at a meth lab.

DeMint has an actual speechwriter – who in the fuck knew ?!?!

I thought he just huffed paint and snorted Haldol™

You never saw the Healthcare Town Hall Meetings where some people trying to pas healthcare had Teddy t-shirts with pass healthcare in his name?

Do you know if they were red-herringbone knits?

Why did this “event” have to be named? It was a memorial service. It seems that “Together We Thrive” was a take-off on Kaiser Permanente’s Thrive Campaign. Is “Together We Thrive” going to be obama’s signature line (like hope & change) during his re-election campaign?

They all name everything…wars, events..everything. I find it very annoying.

Good question. I’m afraid politics poisons everything. Never miss an opportunity for a “political event.”

Aitch,

EXACTLY. That is all this screaming is – something…anything…to scream about Obama.

Pathetic and sickening.

I’m 57 yro. If the University students do things “differently” from the way my generation did things – so be it – not my problem or my place to tell them they are doing something incorrectly.

Get used to it people – it reminds me of 40 years ago, CULTURAL CHANGE – you can be “appalled” or you can be happy they have a voice in America. I choose the latter.

It was a complex event.

It addressed many audiences:
1] The families of the fallen;
2] The survivors;
3] The heroes;
4] The local community; and,
5] The nation.

Each audience was there for a different reason and each reacted to the event in their own way. So be it.

Oh. Memorial services have three objectives:

1. Respect the dead.
2. Closure for the living.
3. Celebrate our continuing lives.

They are not for wallowing in sorrow.

Every been to an Irish wake?
or a Funeral in England?

Neither are gloomy affairs.

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized – at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do – it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.

Doesn’t sound like Obama’s words took around here.

DeMint has the Right speechwriter.

I thought he just huffed paint and snorted Haldol™

Are you sayin he doesn’t? Something has to explain his brain damage strange antics.

I hate these people from the very core of my soul.

What event or events root Michelle Malkin’s hate and bile?

It’s inexplicable to me that any person could behave as she does.

I liked his speech and thought the event was just fine.

MY 2¢
It was a good Memorial that did exactly what is was meant to do.. Help remember the fallen and thank the heroes for what they did. And yes the applause wasn’t what I am used to but hey They were in their own diggs and they can celebrate in the way they wish.

Maybe if your generation had a party for the vets of Vietnam and Korea like they did for the vets of WW2 so many Vets would not feel abandoned by America. Your generation turned away from what your parents did the result was bad we are just going back to the past in how we handle things because well we tried things your way and they didn’t work.
Next I expect the GOP to produce photographs of hotdog stands selling dogs to the crowd at the memorial service and the customers wearing t-shirts.
Like people don’t get hungry.

Is Amanda saying Glen Beck and Sarah never sold t-shirts or books at their save America or whatever rallies? I doubt they gave them away.

But what we can’t do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility.

Obama said the right things, Malkin didn’t.

Who’s lead will you follow?

ah, but it is explicable

I’m a what???

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/13/horoscope-hang-up-earth-rotation-changes-zodiac-signs/

What kind of question is that?

To say you are full of shit on this is far too generous. Do you teach in a University? Do you see these kids every day like I do? They are kids. Second, there was a murder in their town. This doesn’t happen every day. And no, a lot of them are too young to have gone to wakes and funeral services. Secondly, the applause wasn’t inapproriate. It wasn’t a memorial service.

I was at Kennedy’s funeral (I was on the way to LBJ’s ranch to meet the president the day he was killed). I don’t recall the t-shirts. What I recall on the capitol grounds was a kind of fair atmosphere, as if people were relaxing after four days of grieving. There were, if I recall correctly, wagons selling hot dogs and flags. Probably t-shirts, too. I just don’t remember.

I was talking about t-shirts I saw after Teddy’s funeral at the healthcare townhalls I was not at Teddy’s funeral just thought O should make that clear.

Not Obummers. He made a great speech. But he did a lot of that in ’07 and ’08, too. Fuck him.

This tragedy and it’s fallout are a perfect opportunity for the left to appeal to the Nation’s sensability about gun control. Also a perfect opportunity for the left to appeal to the Nation’s sensability about violent political rhetoric and folks like Malkin, Beck, Palin et al polluting the national conversation with vitriol.

The Nation is open to hearing solutions right now because, for the most part, they’re appalled by what happened. Unfortunate opportunity? Maybe. Wonderful opportunity? Definitely.

Just because Michelle Malkin and her ilk would–thoughtlessly and with no tact–exploit a violent event for Republican gain does not mean that it happened here.

Just one more episode of projection to note.

Also a perfect opportunity for the left to appeal to the Nation’s sensability about violent political rhetoric and folks like Malkin, Beck, Palin et al polluting the national conversation with vitriol.

Is this how the left takes it’s perfect opportunity? Just to list a few of the highlights on this one post.

To say you are full of shit on this is far too generous
I hate these people from the very core of my soul.
Contrarian assholes will be contrarian assholes just to be conratrian assholes
Jeebus Right Wing Nut Jobbers
President Obama’s call for more civility didn’t impress the Anchor Baby, who found something last night to fling poo at

Obama denial in his “let’s not look back”, or now even “around us today,” is crazy making. Anyone in command of their senses knows the words don’t compute.

In a nutshell, well said .. each of us deals with grief in our own way .. it is intensely personal for most, and as long as it hurt no-one else, then so be it .. can I get an Amen? .. :)

In your mind those things you quote rise to the level of shooting? The threat of shooting? The threat of beating someone to a pulp? You’re fucking kidding right? Do you honestly think 3 decades of outrageous hatefull hippie punching bullshit shouldn’t be met with some harsh comebacks at some point in time? How long should “the left” lay down for the loudmouthed, made-up, abject crap from people like Limbaugh and Beck and Malkin and the list is all but endless.

Save the fucking sanctimony.

I do give Obama credit for his personal demeanor and trying and succeeding in accessing his empathy as a father and was moved by his call to our responsibility to the future.

Otherwise I was offended by the crassness of the noisiest of the attendees. If being young is the reason, then we must look at why our young can only see entertainment and celebrity in death and terrorism.

If the White House did plan the presentation and the T-shirts they also missed the meaning. I was particularly offended by the purveyors of fear and enablers of torture reading religious text.

I was called out last night for saying it reminded me of a Reifenstahl production. So I will accept that as inappropriate and instead point to the productions by Michael Deaver for Reagan which were only slightly less grandiose and extravagent.

Precisely. At some point we have to try matching their tone, or at least pointing out their hypocrisy and blatant fallacy at a higher volume than we’ve done in the past.

Sarcasm and snark like BT’s can reach a broader audience, or a different audience, on a lot of topics.

I’m tired of folks like alan1tx comparing what BT, Jane, David, Jon et al do to the likes of GlenRushSarah and co. It’s a fucking joke. I can’t recall the last time I heard a liberal pundit encourage violence as a solution to a political situation.

Terribly sorry I offended you to the extent billingsgate became necessary.

The right wing would have been happy if the event had a corporate sponsor.

“This memorial brought to you by Smith & Wesson. Buy American for your next assassination.”

Then please, enlighten me, because I don’t understand the behavior.

Bingo!

But it was you who firsst said it was a perfect opportunity for the left to appeal to the Nation’s sensability about violent political rhetoric and folks like Malkin, Beck, Palin et al polluting the national conversation with vitriol.

Vitriol: Bitterly abusive feeling or expression.

I’d say that short list qualifies.

As for liberals encoraging violence, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa:
“That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him.”

Pretty explicit.

“….the quintessentially American scene that was shattered by a gunman’s bullets”

“And in Christina…in Christina we see all of our children. So curious, so trusting, so energetic and full of magic.”

“I believe we can be better. Those who died here, those who saved lives here – they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us.”

It is indeed Mr. President. Please take that to heart while you continue to up the number of drone missile strikes killing innocent Afghans.

Thank you for saying that. I also was thinking of all the Pakistani, Iraqi and Afghanistani children whose magic has been destroyed under his and Bush’s orders.

It seems like Dems could have done something less crass, less sick than to print-shirts without due credit to GOP’s Fox Teaparty of Terrorists.

I believe in somthing concilliatory to Fox’s terrorist anchors, contributor mental patients….things like patriotic like free bulls-eye face painting covering Michelle’s cute terrorist-face….plus free festive matching bullseye patches and t-shirts for each Fox Fan attendee….maybe free RELOADED clips for the Fox-kiddies.

We need to be sensitive, more careful with Michelle-like face painting activities for GOP’s Fox Terrorist Teaparty of mental patients.

Maybe Dem’s can help Michelle and her fellow mental patients from needing to go postal again. I bet on it.

Dang!-Be more sensitive to Fox’ Terror Corp’s special-needs kids. I feel cynically thoughtless…me such an ungenerous dolt after Michelle points this out.

I’ve never seen that quote before. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Now I can say an example exists. Still doesn’t change the fact that the right hangs it’s hat on uninformed voters, angry voters, prejudiced voters, and easily impressioned voters. Their fear-mongering of the last 10 years has given way to outright hate-mongering. It’s disgusting and it needs to be changed.

Ask for a link. I really doubt he said that though he is known for spouting off before thinking..

You officially win the internet for the day.

Link?

Has anyone put this up yet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/rush-limbaughs-tucson-billboard_n_808563.html

Rush got a little explainin’ to do.

so who did you vote for? becuase if you voted for Obama you voted for those deaths…

Good job, Hotdog: I see all of our children, in, not just Christina’s face, but in the knowledge of the Afghan kids that have died in Obama’s attempt to sustain the occupation of the country.

Everyone has their own way when it comes to funerals, and I work to mimic the behavior of the effected family. There have been plenty where I had a great time laughing with the family while remembering the best of times, and later cried with them when thinking about our loss. Does that make me immature? Does that show no respect for the deceased? Nobody ever gave me the rules, so hopefully you can direct me to the funeral etiquette page.

Oh, come on. Don’t give cover to Michelle Malkin and the other Cons. They were attacking the event, and Obama’s presence there, well before it even started, and the Cons would have attacked even if the kids were the little wooden zombies you wanted them to be.

There’s not much that’s pettier than trying to score political points from somebody else’s pain. Attacking Christina’s classmates is just unspeakable.

Don’t worry, they’re already planning for the next “Restore Honor” Beck Rally!

Over the top? You Betcha!

TPM and other “left of center” sites had articles within the last day or two condemning Kanjorski, and rightly so. I would expect that you might even find another one, two, or three instances of wholly inappropriate and inflamatory violence inciting rhetoric from back-bencher Democrats, and maybe even a recognizable name here and there, but for shear volume of “second amendment remedies” type references, the wingerbaggers take the trophy and their jerseys should be hoisted to the rafters.

I was not intending to attack Christina’s classmates. The noise, cat calls and whistles did not sound like 9 year olds.

And I certainly had no intent of giving Malkn cover..

I am offended by this trait now in our culture that makes entertainment and celebrity from everything. Some things still should in my view retain the simplicity and dignity of what they are. Death and maiming are some of those.

I stood outside the MLK funeral and then along the route of the cortege. This entire big city was silent. I encountered only one intrusion by a woman from Ohio angry because all the stores were closed and she was looking for souvenirs. We reminded her it was a funeral..

I was expecting a funereal atmosphere but then I am old and many things once precious are gone so I suppose you are right.

It’s a pretty easy Google.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/ex-rep-paul-kanjorski-d-pa-fla-gov-rick-scott-they-ought-put-him-

The crazy guy with the gun is properly put away.
He had a target he determined to be evil, went for it, and collateraly stole the lives and happiness of many. In his mind, he probably thought the stray bullets and added terror would send a worthwhile message.
Barack Obama makes that same choice every day, but he gets to suppress the information concerning his decisions and the grisly results and then make speeches calling for civility. Makes me nauseous.

We are really stuck in a battered wife type syndrome. The Republicans have been inciting hatred and obscenities toward liberals and Democrats since Newt Gingrich began his nightly C-Span tirades thirty years ago. Now and then a few of us, never leaders, lose it and strike back rhetorically. And it’s front page news justifying the abuse.

A jock type bully can beat the shit out of nerds and stuff people into lockers at school…the nerd that defends himself and rearranges the bullies face gets suspended for a month for fighting.

Apparently a large portion of the human race never outgrows their high school habits.

As applied to Gingrich his crowd and politics the bullies have never truly been called on their behavior by us or the people’s watchdog the media. That would have helped.

This shit about the presentation and form of speech and grieving is just right wing bullshit to control the speech of people. This has been a common method of rhetorical attack and control for awhile now. The right wingers (and which Jon Stewart did) are big into defining the means and etiquette of speech.

They appoint themselves the Miss Manners of speech and decide how people must appropriately express themselves. And of fucking course, leftists NEVER express themselves appropriate so their beliefs and content are marginalized or ignored. The right wing imagery of the unhinged and illogical leftist is part of this scam.

Shit, I remember during the debate on the Iraqi invasion foxnews had a panel with Jeanine Garafalo (sp) on the literally the proper methods of dissent. Gee golly wow, guess what. Leftist critiques were illegit because they weren’t performed correct. Needless to say, no leftist every dissents properly, because dissent itself is always uncivil to right wingers.

Here is a clue, when anybody, and I mean anybody tries to set themselves up as the Miss Manners of expression, to tell you HOW to argue, dissent, voice your opinions, etc. they are also in the end trying to define WHAT you are allowed to say. And I dont give a fuck if it comes from Jon Steward or Malkin.

The 1st Amendment did not come with an appendix declaring the proper ways of speech.

“Then I remembered the public option.”

And more recently, Obama’s selection for Chief of Staff, of a man who owns $7.6 million dollars worth of Morgan-Chase stock.

These clown-show props just won’t give it a rest will they… That’s ok..

As soon as the dust settles from their healer’s lunatic words yesterday, they can just fade into the dust from which they came with her… See ya squawkers…

The wingers are catching so much shit over this (most of it generated from rank-and-file people like we here on FDL…) that if we keep the pressure up, we’ll get them saying even more asinine things than Palin’s been spouting.

No argument here.

And Jesus H. Christ, over at Digby’s there are gush-threads up that would embarass Abraham Lincoln speaking at Gettysburg.

This was more than a memorial service: it was a celebration of the fact that Rep. Giffords and many others are still alive, and of the heroism of several persons who prevented further bloodshed. Perhaps you aren’t celebrating? perhaps you were hoping for one fewer Democrat in the House?

“If this was a Bush event,” we would never have seen it… there would have been guards at the door checking party registration and throwing Democrats out of the place. Yeah, go ahead, remember those days fondly…

more asinine things than Palin’s been spouting

Is that even possible? I think there’s an asymptote of convergence there. That’s like saying faster than the speed of light, or infinity plus one.

Actually, I want civil discourse. I want to be able to have a conversation where I am not dehumanized, delegitimized, or turned into a target of hatred because I happen to disagree with my opponent.

Do I sometimes sink to that level? Yes, I do. And I apologize for the times I have.

But we should not turn rhetorical debate into a free-for-all where anything goes. You get no constructive argument when you yell and scream and pound the table just as much as the other side. You just feed on each other’s anger and hatred.

It’s not a debate, it’s a diatribe.

I really don’t think that’s a road you want to go down. He may be vocal and disagreeable, but to theorize that he is somehow happy about the outcome is beyond the pale.

Spotts, CB’s “If this was a Bush event” resurrected all sorts of bad memories from eight years of Democrats being bodily removed from publicly funded events. You’re right; I don’t know for certain that he was hoping for worse… but in these days of right-wing violent campaign rhetoric (and effectively no such rhetoric from lefties), I think it’s a not unreasonable assumption.

I have rarely seen constructive arguments. My ex-sister-in-law nice person born again Christian believed the worst about gays and thought they should not be allowed to teach in public schools. No amount of polite debate would be “constructive” with her. You cannot nicely ever debate fundamental core values with the idea that somehow either you or the other person changes.

I think constructive debates happen with people who are on your side. But Leftists posit this “reasonable right wing” who does not exist. Obama sure does, and look at the policy decisions.

I think you are arguing for politeness, and I am all for politeness, but not at the expense of my beliefs.

I’m not saying that you have to sacrifice your beliefs in order to be polite. I’m just saying that if you’re trying to change people’s minds, yelling at them or meeting their anger with your own is not going to do it.

I’ve managed to change people’s minds (people who are just as obstinate as your ex-SIL) by listening to them and responding without getting overheated about it.

If you can’t change their mind, you can’t change their mind. Not expecting miracles, or an overnight conversion. But always been a proponent of more speech – counter bad speech with good – rather than simply shutting down the forum.

I am with you there. I guess a judgement call on who might even listen.

I think it’s possible. In fact, I’m pretty sure that we’re going to see some of it in the near future.

I have two minds about that. I’m sorry to see the political debate poisoned and corrupted by these nutcases walking round strapped at political gatherings and the media figures who stoke them, but OTOH it scares the living shit out of a lot of people, and since Obama won’t do his job of calling them out, we have to do it for him, and the truth is that it gets easier everytime they open their mouths. Palin and her ass-backwards homespun crazy are our ace in the hole. After two years of foolish “bipartisanship”, she’s about all we’ve got left.

Mehtinks the lady doth protest too much. Or are beavers male in Canada, I forget…

I’m with you. I didn’t see it or hear it. No interest in that murderous fraud with his deceptive speeches and I don’t understand how anyone here knowing what he stands for could praise him. Mr. Obama kills and wounds more people everyday than Jared Loughner did. But the descriptions that I’ve read of cheering and t-shirts and the justifications for all that — it all sounds just totally off and appalling. The whole event was distasteful.

Complaining about stuff you didn’t see or hear (and instead relying upon second-hand knowledge) is pretty poor.

I suppose he should have stayed home and been vilified as an uncaring jerk?

The ad read: “Rush Limbaugh: Straight Shooter.” And yet the bullet holes were all over the billboard.

Protest too much? Naw, just showing my age I guess.

Thassit, Otto. I don’t want him in MY foxhole. :o)

I agree with you, but then I’m old too.