Sheriff Dupnik: At 10:10, a gunman approached Congresswoman Giffords and started shooting. Doctors are “cautiously optimistic” she will survive. Five people were killed, including two of his personal friends. One of those was Judge Roll who was stopping by after mass to say “hi” to Rep. Giffords. Excoriates rhetoric of radio hosts that he thinks fueled this.
Suspect is a white male, 22 years old, won’t divulge his name, recently the subject of police interest. Has a troubled past, and Dupnik is not convinced he acted alone. Some reason to believe suspect came to this location with another individual, and that there was an indication the other individual was involved. They have pictures of him. But cannot, on advice of council, give more details at this time. Says it is a male, white, and they are “actively in pursuit” of him.
19 victims, 6 of whom are dead, including a 9 year-old girl.
Says Giffords was the target, and that there were 2 incidents occurred in a “very vitriolic” campaign. Someone in an “angry audience” dropped a weapon out of their pants. Another incident where windows were broken out of her office. At her office at Swan and Pima right now, suspicious package being investigated.
The 22 year old suspect does have a criminal past. Says this is how “unbalanced people respond to vitriol coming out about ripping down the government. Arizona has become the capital. We have become the mecca of prejudice and bigotry.” Believes people who are unbalanced especially, like the suspect, are extremely susceptible to vitriol.
A semi-automatic was used, won’t say what it was. The second person was apparently not a shooter. Suspect in custody of Pima County Sheriff’s Department and has invoked his rights.
There was no exchange of gunfire. Won’t confirm whether shooting was caught on tape by the store. Doesn’t have specific information about what shooter might or might not have said at the time.
Will not name any of the other victims because families have not yet been notified.
Says he has no reason to believe the suspect is insane, but would say he’s unstable. Do not know who the 2nd subject is, whether he is related to the suspect or not.
Five people were killed at the scene, one died at the hospital.
Captain Chris Manos: Working jointly with the FBI on this case. The young girl was the one who died at the hospital. They are working at next of kin notification.
Dupnik: Answered all the questions they are going to answer now. Will provide more information tomorrow. Doctor will come to the microphone now.
People pooh-pooh vitriol coming from people who make a living at it, but “it is not without consequence.”
Doctor Richard Camora, former Surgeon General: Knew and worked with both Rep. Giffords and Judge. In all his years as trauma surgeon and deputy sheriff, hasn’t seen anything like it. Surgeons who treated them at UMC are “cautiously optimistic that there is a possibility” Rep. Giffords could survive. But knows how difficult the path to recovery is. He wasn’t her surgeon, but they will be available tomorrow. A lot of complications.




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more info on suspect…
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html
Whoa, Sheriff calling out the vitriolic rhetoric we hear in the radio and tv business …
Jeez, the spokesman says they have a picture of another person they believe came to the site with the suspected shooter. “We’re not convinced the suspect acted alone.”
Calling out the vitriolic rhetoric and saying country needs to do some “soul searching.”
There are nineteen victims, now six of them dead, including the nine year old.
After reading up on the suspect on Daily Kos, and learning about the hateful rhetoric she had to deal with after being on Sarah Palin’s “target list”, I have to wonder, is this the moment where the public wakes up and realizes the depraved lows the right wing extremists have fallen into?
I hope she pulls through and that the suspect gets the book thrown at him in court.
“We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”
That’s the 8-ball in the side pocket.
. . . when you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to vitriolic statements, the statements, against the government, etc . . . People who are unbalanced are especially susceptible . . .
Arizona has become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.
I managed to take a number of screenshots at SarahPAC’s “takebackthe20.com” site this morning, before they took the site down. Palin’s signature page had already been modified last spring, replacing “Don’t Retreat – Reload!” with the more affable “Don’t get demoralized- Get Organized!”
I tried to organize a Wasilla demonstration today at Palin’s Lake Lucille cult compound, but people seem afraid to go. Demoralized.
The Sheriff is on the money – good to hear sense spoken.
Possibility the attack was caught on video tape from the store. spokesman wouldn’t comment/confirm.
There was no “exchange of gunfire.” [just the one gunman firing]
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com
wrt to the other possible person . . . he is a male.
Why were they afraid to confront that jerk?
unbalanced people respond to vitriol
the sheriff quoted me…nice
Sheriff is sharp, professional.
. . . the suspect had other contacts with law enforcement in which he made threats . . .
That’s sad. But perhaps wise.
Nobody wants to get onto her next chart of targets, I suppose.
For awhile during our discussion here of the likelihood of Loughner being paranoid schizophrenic, I began to think such a demo as you proposed might be premature. But it’s looking more and more likely that it’s a reasonable response.
If there was another person involved in this, even peripherally, that makes it a new ball game. There had to be substantial prior planning, and that, to me, points toward some kind of political agenda.
We’ll see.
Don’t be demoralized. You can probably organize something through FDL if you can.
There is usually no special security for such events unless they’ve got some intelligence to suggest there’s a threat. So none here.
Did he say the second suspect was a man in his 50s?
Siun, he is. This is no bullshit presser. The guy is pulling as few punches as he possibly can.
I doubt there will be one.
they were at a political gathering,it was political
Difficult to understand how one person could shoot and kill five people and wound a dozen others. But apparently that’s what you can do with 9mm Glock Model 19 handgun with a 30-round magazine.
It’s too bad what this says about the political atmosphere.
Still, Palin’s targeting seems to be getting attention; I imagine there will be more. You don’t have to stand in front of her house for the word to get out.
Let’s hope the Palin-lovers who just don’t seem to know much about her, who think she’s “just like me” will get a better picture and back off.
Did Sarah’s website speeches anything recently say anything bad about anyone today who was shot? Someone said something to trigger this shooting this was as random as Joe the Plumber accidently running into Obama during the Presidential campaign.
I’m not demoralized, but I haven’t been this pissed since last February’s Tea Party Convention, that was so insipid, so poorly attended, yet ended up being covered like it was something big, something real. There were less people there than at many PTA meetings I’ve been to.
Didn’t hear any reference to age of second suspect
the right wingers want to stop democrats and progressives,brown shirts Germany 1933
Whether this nutcase shooter(s) turn out to be righty or lefty, there is not Q about how essentially U.S.ian this event is. When a dispute occurs, shoot first.
Jane, I didn’t hear that. The questioning is overlapping some and I may have just missed it. If it was someone in their 50′s, again, that to me makes it more likely that there’s a more to it that just some crazy young psycho doing this.
Can we get a name and what radio station they work for? Who advertises on that radio station.
reading her facebook,makes me think she can do no wrong in their eyes,even as far as Bristol on DWTS…endoctrinated
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Yeah I don’t want to rewind yet but I’ll check after it’s over.
Could he have been programmed … like MKULTRA as am assassin? Sounds bizarre but patsies are somehow programmed… that’s been proven.
“It was political”.
You’d think so, but how true that is, we don’t yet know.
Thanks. I’ll add that to my post in the link @ #10.
remember the movie Cospiracy Theory?………..oy
but why at a political rally then?why a congressperson?
For what it’s worth. Can’t vouch for the credibility of this.
Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
Link.
Sheriff — makes another comment on vitriol of hatred you hear on radio; “that may be free speech, but it’s not without consequences.”
“It may be free speech, but it’s not without consequences.”
Tell it like it IS, Brother! :o)
How did this man get elected Sheriff in an Arizona city?
Shooter might be a Lefty but a Lefty shoots a Dem? Odds are not likely. The shoot first mentality just shows frustration with a system and a feeling of powerlessness to change the system.
Impotent Rage, Frustration adrenaline Junkie time the thrill of always wanting but never getting Death is the first/final high/orgasm for these guys.
Yet somehow GOPers are reported to be happier than us in some social surveys?
Did the judge try to stop the shooter?
sound like the bogus tweets out there
Sad to imagine how Sheriff Joe in Phoenix would respond to this.
They can program any person… shape his/her activities, work history.. politics and so forth and then send out whatever trigger… as in hypnosis … and the person simply carries out some programmed task and they may not even know they are doing it.
Look up MKULTRA and mind control. This is CIA stuff going back decades and it is frightening and real. Assassins are programmed.
Yes but why? How would we tell if they were programmed?
oy,hope he isnt fired
Don’t forget, this sheriff is hated by the teabaggers and RWNJ’s. Why, you ask? Because he refuses to enforce SB 1070. So the sheriff has good reason to be pissed.
That’s the theme that needs to be pounded: You are responsible for your vitriol and its consequences.
Some other states might take issue with that.
Hard to imagine that much damage on semi-automatic, but he was a war vet and presumably trained for his 15 minutes of infamy.
False dichotomy.
He could have picked any of a number of shopping center parking lots. I would say it’s entirely reasonable to speculate that Palin’s “crosshairs” may have factored in, given what we know about his incoherent political rantings.
BTW: Arthur Bremer didn’t pick George Wallace out of the phone book.
MKULTRA was probably a public cover story for CIA torture experiments on human beings.
Sadlyyes, we don’t know. His video and self-bio are incoherent and all over the park. I haven’t heard of his going off on democrats, or on Giffords, specifically, before this. Have you?
Richard Carmond, Congresswoman has a “devastating wound”
i believe it,Mel Gibson played the brainwashed guy in the movie(perfect no?) it was totally convincing
Why not use a a “lefty” to take out a democrat… kill two birds with one stone. If this was a black ops… they cover all the bases. Look at the patsies of the past an their “pasts” – Oswald, Sirhan…James Earl Ray.
Oh! You made such good sense all day today. Now you throw caution to the winds and accept this person’s explanation. Right or wrong, now there’s no alternative explanation; so I hope he’s right, though how can he possibly know? I wish he hadn’t said that.
Monday Rush comes on and says this is a left wing conspiracy to “take your guns away”… Bets?
Hospital spox says Giffords could need additional surgery, to be determined; very severe injury
From what I’ve read, Giffords is a blue dog.
Don’t really want to enter the fray on which side of the political spectrum this particular event falls. My comment was more oriented to the level of violence embedded in every aspect of U.S. existence.
quite liberal thats how GOPers describe us not how we describe ourselves This stinks of GOP counter propaganda.
What do we know of this tweeter?
He was NOT ex-military.
No lie, Earl! “Sad” aint the word for it. He’d be channelling Joseph Goebbels.
His counterpart in Phoenix (Sheriff Joe) must be stewing at the attention Dupnik’s getting.
Oh, I’d surely bet on that.
sound like he was anti government,she represented government
Okay…the guy’s politics are entirely irrelevant. The shooter was insane. Sane people don’t do things like this but all of the violent rhetoric comes exclusively from the right wing. Nothing else matters when assigning blame.
A 9mm (roughly a .38 caliber) to the head at point blank range is likely to do that, especially on the way out.
I can’t answer “why”… but events like this… political assassinations “move” history and change policy. Many events which change history are “staged” false flag operations… bay of pigs, gulf of tonkin, even 9/11. They are not what they seem and they change / affect US policy bigtime.
Blue Dog? hmmm ok some on our side might have been tempted.
Yes, he said it was a male in his fifties.
bogus tweeter
All you gotta do is tally up a 2×2 Left vs Right Second Amendment Remediators table. The wingnuts own it.
Then the Guardian was incorrect:
Do you honestly think he showed up to a political event with a gun randomly?
Sounds like she may live but never as a congress person again.
It’s not the two individuals that have been visible that is of concern. It’s the unknown others who provoked the incident that need to be identified. And they will be soon.
/s
Just out of curiosity, where are the other people on Palin’s hit list.
what do you think this event will change for all of us? Just wondering.
Military has disavowed that he was ever in.
Of course not… this was premeditated by someone…
Seconded that and whats going to happen as a result of this shooting 6 dead a nine year old girl but any bets Obama will do nothing?
Giffords IS a member of the congressional Blue Dogs. She’s also a strong defender of “gun rights”. I doubt she could have been elected there if she weren’t.
BUT, the NRA only gives her a D+ rating and the GOA gives her a D-. I think she’s not into bashing Latinos enough to suit them, plus, she’s strongly pro-choice. NARAL has her at 100%.
The issue-crossover with the gun-nuts is always there.
Besides, it was only Democrat rally.
I’d say there’s a high probability that the level of violence will increase as the economy continues its downward spiral.
Really then the GOP is already spreading counter propaganda just who is directing the GOP spin on this issue?
He wasn’t a war vet. At one point he had claimed to be a “recruit” at MEPS. MEPS is an induction location. Military Enlistee Processing Station. He never made the cut and never took the oath, much less got training. One isn’t a recruit until one takes the oath and signs his/her life away. He never even got that far.
It was a graphic on one of the posts earlier. Scroll down to some of the other posts you can figure it out.
Statistically and sadly, for this Congresswoman and many war vets, traumatic head wounds tend to cause terrible, permanent damage, even without loss of tissue.
very strange
Fox now saying they’re looking for “a white man in his fifties.”
I’ll suspend judgment on that for a while.
oh yes,it began,almost immediately,they dont rest
Jeff Kaye is upstairs…
Jared Loughner’s Possible Mental Illness
All Arlington. Isn’t that were the military perps hang out?
The Guardian was incorrect then. I’m guessing the hacks over at The Guardian don’t know wtf “MEPS” means either.
Yep.
Rush has guns? A guy with what should have been felony oxy charges has guns when any other person caught with that much oxy would be facing felony charges because they can’t buy justice like Rush or Dick shot my friend in the face can.
Remind me never go hunting with GOPers.
More plausible information, thanks. Wannabees often attempt to show they coulda been a contender, but in a negative way.
A conservative estimate of the number of government-loathing assholes there are like this guy in the U.S. is probably 10,000. When right-wing idiots like Palin use hateful rhetoric that is taken literally by them, those idiots are to blame. That’s the message.
Fox just reshowed clip of Sheriff talking about hatred, and Arizona becoming the Mecca of hatred and bigotry.
I think this is a good question and one that needs an answer. I looked at Palin’s map to see whether my Congressman or Senators were on it- Bernie, Leahy, and Welch of Vermont. Even though they are not, I still wanted to know who is in danger and how do we keep them safe.
Sadly; for now, I think that’s about what we have. But I’m sure glad that the law enforcement there is talking about one and possibly two more “people of interest”. If there were others involved in this, it’s going to get…interesting.
Ghost, I bt poor old Sheriff Joe is watching this and getting ready to go home and bite the heads off some chickens.
And of course I don’t think he showed up there randomly. Obviously it was his intent to go there and shoot people, but so far the evidence just isn’t there that he was a rightwing crackpot. I hope it comes out that way, but It won’t hurt to be a little cautious about this. Especially since there may have been others involved that will nail down the reason for this.
Fox ID’s nine year old child. Christina Taylor Green
One would think that a publication worried about it’s credibility would have at least found out what the acronym stood for before writing something they’ll have to retract later but I guess they’re learning from the US toady media.
That was what I argued on my Sharron Angle takedown blog. The unhinged take the call to arms literally.
The Sirhan Sirhan episode was not a movie.
The Sheriff said Gabriella was the target. Why he targeted her, who knows. But he went there to shoot her.
“Fox just reshowed clip of sheriff talking about hatred…”
Hmmmm… That’s interesting; it’s kind of hard to pretend that he’s not talking about the tea party assholes walking around with assault rifles at political rallies.
Her family has to be beside themselves. So young, so innocent, and an entire life ahead of her.
May well be. I’m not a tweety-bird, so I wouldn’t know.
I don’t doubt she was. But until you come up with something to hang a rightwing conspiracy on, and/or until you can find the info that he was a member of some rightwing organization, the “lone crazy” who by his own account “is interested in men” is going have more legs in the media than a rightwing plan.
That and hopefully, Rush, Beck, and all those additional copy cats that they run all day long before and after Rush on the radio.
When I first heard the (now debunked) news that he was an Afghanistan vet, I immediately thought “Restrepo.”
I’d just finished watching it for the second time. Individually damaging futility in all caps. I recall thinking after watching it “we haven’t learned shit since ‘nam.”
Maybe cats like this dinged-out dude are even more dangerous.
But she did get a 100% rating from NARAL. The rightie-tighties don’t take kindly to that.
Some people come out of combat crazy but nobody ever goes in to combat messed up in the head like that.
But everyone is expected to believe everything is as it seems. Otherwise, things are messy. No one likes messy messy.
I never said anything about a conspiracy. The Sheriff hit the nail on the head. When you have right wing people who talk about second amendment remedies, and people who post names of people in congress depicted in a gun crossfire saying we should get rid of them you are going to have disturbed people who take that stuff literally. It’s a proven fact which side of the isle is inciting the violence. He didn’t go to a republican event did he?
Cong. Giffords does not sound like a typical BlueDog – she got threats because she supported the healthcare bill, and she vocally opposed the AZ anti-immigrant bill (as did the Sheriff who spoke).
The asshats are already on the defensive about this, which means that they’ll try to be on offense as much as possible. I’m surprised that they haven’t played the “He’s a homicidal “queer” card, yet. But with that little bio-tag at the end of Laughton’s self-bio, I can just about guarantee you it’s coming.
And more on the girl tweeting that when she knew him, he was a liberal?
I think Siun was talking about that being bogus. I hope so.
Check the earlier threads – I believe that was shown to be a bogus tweet.
I’m not arguing with you about any of that. What I’m saying is that we don’t know what made Laughton go there to shoot Gabrielle, or the other people. If he was so obsessed with her and her political views, why did he shoot all those other people. Was he just a paranoid anti-government foil-hat who went off, or IS he part of some right wing conspiracy?
If you have a definitive answer to those questions, please post it.
If not, then stop ragging on me as if I were defending him. I’m not.
Loughner. Laughton played Billy Jack…
BTW, I think you’re putting words in the sheriff’s mouth. I didn’t hear him use the words “right wing”, and I don’t think you did either.
The nail-head that he hit was about the violent rhetoric, which nearly always DOES come from the right, but he didn’t say that.
(I hope you’re not a legal aide in the Pima County legal system.)
@129 You are the one who accused me of supporting a conspiracy theory. And I am not ragging on you, if the shoe fits, wear it.
THanks, Margaret. :o)
The shoes I have fit fine. And so does my sense of this crime. Which is more than I can say for yours.
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Fair enough.
I won’t be surprised if he was considered left wing. I saw an image of him that somehow related to a regular bookstore and his profession, teaching impaired kids, is rather left wing. It may be that he was taken advantage of. It may be that he was confused.
Mary, that’s what I’m worried about. If we’re trying desperately to tar him with the conservative brush, and there are things coming out which question that, then we look like fools. Plenty of time for the truth to be resolved, and it looks like that Sheriff will go wherever the evidence takes him.
No matter whether he is a “lefty” or “righty” or, as I suspect, neither in the sense that he’s just a nutcase, the fact remains that the level of hate and violence out of the mouths of right wing lunatics is irresponsible, and they own some blame for this type of thing no matter the specifics of the guilty persons politics.
Germany, 1933, Brownshirts => America, 2011, Tea Partiers.