I give you: Holiday Movies!!! (Cue sfx of wild applause).
When I grew up in the (whispering) early 50s, our tv came from a much larger city about 30 miles away. The reception (until ChannelMaster invented the ‘on the top of the tube’ antennae) was abysmal, and there were a lot of old movies on Saturdays and Sundays. And Christmas.
A LOT of old movies on Christmas.
And given what was available, in our house, we watched a lot of them. In general, we were not exactly ‘encouraged’ to watch Christmas fare (though I don’t know what my parents could have done, given the total lack of sensitivity to anything other than Christmas at the time – pre Adam Sandler and all that), but the one movie we’d all cuddle up with the set for was “White Christmas” because Danny Kaye was ‘one of OUR people’ and the music had all been written by “one of OUR people” (the irony was not lost on me at that age, I can assure you). However, we developed a positive “Fourfecta” of holiday movies that given my druthers (and a bowl of popcorn), I’d cuddle up on the sofa (couch or ‘davenport’ depending on where you hail from) to watch on the holidays:
The aforementioned “White Christmas”.
“Holiday Inn” (which is just “White Christmas about 15 years earlier, with Fred Astaire – but the same set. Trust me – take a look – same exact set).
“The Bishop’s Wife” (which got thrown in there as a sop to my mom who was a David Niven and Cary Grant fan). The most famous part of this movie (besides the disembodied typewriter typing away) is the wonderful skating scene where the skating stunt doubles are fantastic but so much shorter than the stars that it’s almost comical.
“The Man Who Came to Dinner” (watch out for penguins and Bette Davis’ rearend – both imposing).
You notice that the newest one of these was made in 1954 and was in color (or Vistavision, I think); the rest are black and white and out of the 40s. I have studiously avoided holiday movies post this period – I know there are a lot of folks who are fans of “A Christmas Story”. I’ll stick to my black and whites.
What’s your fav Holiday film? Any guilty pleasures?



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Good evening, everyone. I’m filling in for Watertiger this evening to talk about one of my favorite topics – movies!!
Raising Arizona, and it’s such a close second that I don’t separate the two – This is Spinal Tap.
Christmas is all about the laffs.
Hellooooo, Aunt Toby!
I want to see Patrick Stewart as Scrooge in A Christmas Carol. Every year I manage to miss the first part of it and I’ve never seen the whole thing. This year I haven’t even seen it listed so far.
Memories! White Christmas was my fav back then. Mentioning the thingy on the roof – my Dad spent half his time, I think, up there twisting it and yelling “how is it now?”
OK – you are getting all ‘reverse holiday’ on me there. I was actually going to suggest “Into the West” which is totally NON holiday but completely cheesy.
Patrick Stewart could stand there in a bathrobe and read the London phone directory and I’d watch it.
hehehe..Oh yes,I remember that well but ChannelMaster ended that until cable tv showed up..for those who could get it.
A channel in our area had a Santa Clause marathon last night, I kid you not.
I guess you’d call that Kraft American individually-wrapped slices night. We watched “Atonement” instead — highly recommended, even to those who read the book and thought it impossible to movie-make, as I did.
I adopt the posture of movie theaters. We used to go on Christmas Day, and the movies were never about Christmas.
Movies I saw as first-runs on Christmas day were The Godfather, Alien, Down & Out in Beverly Hills.
Actually, if you are going to go with Spinal Tap, you could arrange an entire holiday weekend (with bathroom breaks) out of Guest’s films.
So you can dig my desire to see the movie…. ;)
GREEN DRESS…GREEN DRESS…GREEN DRESS
Have to watch Love Actually and It’s a Wonderful Life. Do those qualify as guilty pleasures?
Mine is Holiday Inn. I try to watch it every season. It is the one that introduced the song White Christmas (I can be wrong but I think it was written for that movie.) Bing Crosby sang it.
toby!
A Christmas Story
I have a short attention span when it comes to holiday fare, so my vote goes to the first Futurama Xmas episode.
“Ha! Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW MISSILE!”
heheh, with Bill Nighy singing his version of “Love is All Around”? Heaven’s yes.
I still watch the Grinch that Stole Christmas. Can’t help myself. Of course, my focus is always on that dog. I LOVE HIM!
In it’s own way, I find Holiday Inn much more interesting than White Christmas. And yes, Fred Astaire was drunk for that scene..he started with two shots of bourbon and drank more as the takes went on.
I’ve seen that one already this year. It’s an annual classic. I’ve been a Melinda Dillon fan since Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
I know a lot of people really love that film but I’ve never warmed up to it.It’s all yours.
…but if you want a full-length movie, try National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation.
*suddenly rethinking Christmas weekend*
Our IT guy brings in his ‘leg lamp’ every Christmas season into the office.
Gag. Barf.
Think I’ll make some popcorn to counteract the saccharine.
Bathrobe not required. Check out the fanfic if you don’t believe me.
And of course I can’t go through a Christmas season without hearing the Snow Miser/Heat Miser songs.
LMAO!
hahahaha…
I never heard the Astaire story. Thanks. I just checked Wikipedia and the song was introduced before the movie by Crosby on Christmas Day 1941 on the Kraft Music Hall. The movie came out in 1942.
ohmystars aunt toby — have you pointed out that in the movie, the leg lamp gets broken?
I’d add The Shop Around the Corner and It’s a Wonderful Life to the list of oldies and Home Alone as a “new Christmas classic”.
How about Miracle on 34th street?
Anyone have clear weather for tonight’s 500-year eclipse?
We’re promised clearing between 10pm and 1am, which just might make it possible to see the start of it tonight.
Which one?
Clear here so far.
Yep. That’s what it’s all about – total schmaltz. I’ve always thought that part of the whole ‘White Christmas’ thing (and the treatment of Christmas during that period in general) was due to the number of people in the movie industry who were Jews and who had this “outside looking in” view of the holiday.
I just found that out myself…apparently, by the time they did the last take of the dance, Astaire really was falling down drunk (which of course is how he ended the piece).
I think he bought them by the case…
Clear here now. Weather man says some light clouds may cover the full eclipse. But we should be able to see the first of it.
I love that movie, though we tend to do a double feature of that movie paired with “Them!” since Santa and the entomologist are the same actor.
The truly bizarre thing is that wasn’t just a movie prop. People actually bought those awful things.
The quintessential double feature for Jimmy Stewart fans.
We’re definitely SOL here. On the bright side, I haven’t seen any of the “wintry mix” we were supposed to get nailed with.
If you go out and see it and the earth cracks open and lets out all the demons, let me know.
Edmund Gwenn was in “Them!”?
LOL! We could call up whatshername. “I’m not a WITCH!”
There are some movies that have never made it to real icon status for the holiday, like Michael Keaton’s “Frosty”. Any others?
Yep..he’s the scientist who yells to the policemen in the first encounter, “Shoot the other antennae…the other antennae”. God, I love that film.
“Scrooged” came close on the strength of Carol Kane but I don’t think it made icon status.
And if you really want to go all out, do a triple feature with “The Beginning of the End” which stars James Arness (who is also in Them!), playing much the same role only with grasshoppers in Chicago instead of giant ants in LA.
agreed
I’ll have to catch it again. He also played the mad scientist in the 1936 “The Walking Dead” with Boris Karloff.
It is looking clear here and I’m planning on watching…I really want to see the ‘red’ phase.
The question is..what do we want out of our holiday movies?
James Arness was also in “The Thing From Another World” and was a giant ambulatory carrot.
I was hoping we could get some of the current demons to run into the crack: Gingrich, Delay, Palin, Bachmann. Doesn’t it work that way?
I love the 1951 A Christmas Carol starring Alastair Sim. Gotta be the original black and white, none of that Turner-ized garbage. One of the local stations aired it every Christmas Eve for decades and watching it was part of my tradition. Now they run something else with Tim Allen or some comparable dreck. I have to give that a pass.
Same thing you want out of any movie – entertainment.
Or bees in Houston in “The Swarm”. Really lame and really not Houston. That movie had a whole lotta names in it but not enough to make it anything but a dog.
The kindness and good that lives in human beings. Warm and Fuzzy stuff that makes you think there are people that will pick you up when you fall.
you know, I got that all mixed up; it was Peter Graves. They both did their early work in this stuff, along with Ken Tobin.
This is all I want from holiday movies: cute lads singing love songs to one another.
Hey, Aunt Toby. I love “A Christmas Story,” but then I’m a lapsed Hoosier, and my first hubby and I nourished each other reading Jean Shepherd stories aloud. They rang so true to us, and the movie is based on one of his books.
I haven’t seen it scheduled this year, oddly.
Oddly, also, my 2nd ex and his best buddy really, really love that movie.
Glad you mentioned “the Bishop’s Wife.” 2nd ex introduced me to that one, but I love it, too. (the Denzel version wasn’t too bad, but was a different movie. The innocence of the fantasy just doesn’t work in a contemporary story).
When I was a kid, in the 3-channel olden days, “Amahl and the Night Visitors” was a regular seasonal feature. Haven’t seen that one in decades. I think it might have been done live each year….
Nope. But if we’re really lucky, the earth will open up and swallow them whole.
well, with “White Christmas” you get Bing and Danny singing “Sisters” to one another with fans and butterflies in their hair.
National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation.
Cousin Eddie:”He’s cute ain’t he? Only problem is, he’s got a little bit a Mississippi Leg Hound in him.”
Clark: “We’re gonna have the hap hap happiest Christmas since Bing Crosby tapdanced with Danny fucking Kaye.”
ok, folks; as always, a pleasure. see you on the other side. hugs to all.
People always lump “Rocky Horror Picture Show” into Halloween genre.
I say “Hah! It’s Christmas, bitchez!” Evidence:
- It’s totally gaudy, and overly decorated
- And yes, you have at least One Relative Who Wears That Much Makeup
- The Dinner scene is about like any other family’s at Christmas
- It ends with everybody totally a mess
:)
Night Toby.
I love the Sim and Reginald Owen b&w versions too. Gotta read the book every couple of years too.
Nite, Toby. I’m off too. Gonna watch Charlie Rose, he’s got a couple of know it alls on tonight.
watch. edited
Ah, “Scrooged.” 2nd ex luuuurves that one…he’d run it over and over and over…..which is why I haven’t watched it for quite awhile.
I enjoyed once or twice….
And I actually liked “Home Alone.” But not for every year; not that good.
Does “Planes, Trains, and Automobiles” qualify? Isn’t it set at Christmastime?
Still, it’s the old b&w, warm and fuzzy, yes, schmaltzy ones I love. Maybe it has to do with when, or rather at what age, you saw them.
Plus they have Christmas Meatloaf.
Heh – took Toby less than a minute to watch that vid. Interesting.
IMO, this is the worst season of the year. I rarely buy anything in a store, but had the misfortune of being in the city with a few items on my list. So happened into Bloomindales and a few other stores. A truly disgusting experience.
BTW, I bought an outdoor door mat to replace the one that got all out of shape before my driveway project, and 3 baking sheets that will serve for bigger cookie sheets and shallow roasting pans for further cooking experiments. I.E., no stoopid gift shit.
I never was able to tolerate much of that child.
Hey, what’s to disalike about a drug addicted 12 year old?
His parents.
I don’t know if I’ve seen the Owen version. I was just reading that Thomas Edison produced a silent version in 1908. I find Sim’s portrayal really delightful, even after seeing it dozens of times. Always want to reach in and pull down the one Cratchett kid’s collar, though.
Didn’t know he had any.
*heh* I almost feel guilty for my “It’s a Wonderful Life” clip I have on tap…!
Aloha, Toby…! Mele Kalikimaka…! *g*
He’s 20 now – wow, hard to believe.
*shucks* Just missed ya…! ;-)
Btw, that was the first time I’d typed Mele Kalikimaka this season…! ;-)
Sure. They were the ones exploiting him shamelessly behind the scenes.
Try 30
1. Radio Days (his best until Vicky Cristina Barcelona)
1.5. Stalag 17
Ex girlfriend forced me to watch Home Alone and like any movie she thought was great I found it a terrible bore. The only thing that might motivate me to see Dances With Wolves a second time would be the release of a Directors Cut in which the wolves devour Kevin Costner. Even then I’d only watch that scene.
oops – thanks
I am a sucker for all the sappy fare the hallmark channel has to offer.
But my modern favorite is National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation. It truly captures the spirit of a good old fashioned dysfunctional family Christmas.
My wife as adopted “Love Actually”.
Crimes and Misdemeanors?
PS If you don’t like it keep it to yourself, Margaret is a HUGE Martin Landau fan. :)
Oh, thank you! You have no idea how happy it makes me to find somebody else who thinks Dances with Wolves is as big a piece of shit as I do. I have never, ever been able to stay awake through that thing. And I actually managed to stay awake through Citizen Kane.
Thought 20 sounded way young…. ;)
I’d watch that. Is Kevin Costner the WORST actor evah?
Ooh baby! Or should I say Ewww baby?
‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ is very similar to Charles Dickens’ ‘A Christmas Carol.’
The difference being it is told from Bob Cratchit’s perspective rather than from Scrooge’s.
I love Radio Days myself – but – it’s been a long time — is there a Christmas connection? Love Actually – same question (I’ve only seen that once, and came in late at that).
Nobody’s mentioned the George C. Scott “Christmas Carol?” I like that one. If I’ve seen the Alastair Sim, it was a very very long time ago.
If he is, it’s because he studied at the William Shatner school of acting.
There are a lot of contenders but yeah, I think the title might belong to Costner.
George C Scott’s version is my fave, except for the Patrick Stewart one. But then I’m hot for Patrick and George C Scott is more m’eh.
My better half still swoons during Costner’s ‘waterfall’ scene in ‘Dances’… *gah*
Ummm, has anyone here ever seen the Susan Lucci version of “It’s a Wonderful Life?” Forget the title…another of 2nd ex’s faves. Sigh.
Costner wins because he’s also a really crappy writer, producer and director.
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
Hmmm, can’t say I’m “hot” for either one. I know it isn’t fair, but I prefer my hot men to have hair. Yeah, yeah, what are ya gonna do, I like what I like. (ducking)
Martin had such a weird aura, everything he acted in might as well have been a Rod Serling production.
I’ve seen the Susan Lucci version of A Christmas Carol and it’s called “Ebbie”.
Life’s not fair (h/t JFK). Landau gets Jerry Orbach to snuff John Huston’s daughter, Jerry dies in real life. That is not justice (h/t Vito).
I still want to see a nekkid O as as a centerfold.
You mean it wasn’t?
No, that’s cool. We won’t ever be in direct competition cause I likes me some scalp.
That’s the one!
Pauline Kael said when Costner talks to the Native Americans it’s “Robinson Crusoe on Mars”.
Stitches and all…? ;-)
I’m accustomed to undeserving people achieving success but Costner’s appeal is a real mystery to me.
I’m hip. WTF?
Ialways forget Martin Landau is in “North by Northwest,” which was on TCM a couple weeks ago. He was pure evil in that one. shuddder!
Does anyone remember Mission Impossible?” The tv one, I mean, with Landau, and, and…damn, what was that blond woman’s name? character name was Cinnamon, I think?
I can only hope that a staple would land in a sensitive area…
You know that old fart is still alive and still making movies?
Don’t know about the stitches. Do tell. It might be an added turn on.
Well, I suppose I’m embarrassing myself, but he is, or was in his youth, ummm…..hot.
(there, now I’m ducking behind the sofa)
Sexy voice, too….
Aunt Bea and her cad du jour take little Woody into Manhattan for a movie at Radio City (?), a Jimmy Stewart movie plays, and they do ‘holiday’ shopping. The movie ends New Year’s Eve, 1944. I used to watch it every year.
Oh, I’d forgotten.
Y’know, I should get a copy and watch it again. 2nd ex hated all Woody Allen movies, so I haven’t seen it in years.
(somehow if he hated something, it didn’t get seen in our house; if I hated it, well, it still got watched over and over, but sometimes he would turn the volume down).
Peter Graves was in Mission
RidiculousImpossible, not LandauBtw Ya’ll, hunker down…! It’s gonna be a mighty chilly night tomorrow nite…! Brrr…!
Either Barbara Bain or Ibn Borka.
WTF was that hokey movie he did about being lost at sea? Saw only trailers, but it seemed like the lamest movie evah. Perhaps you can ‘splain it.
No, they both were. Graves was the leader, Landau was one of the crew. Really.
Landau made a big splash at Mt. Rushmore.
What a great movie!
Landau was too, he was the Lon Chaney of the IMF.
Oh wow. I stand corrected. And Barbara Bain was in it too. She later teamed up with him in Space 1999
Barbara Bain! That’s the name!
eCAHN: are you referring to Water World? I’ve never seen it.
Come down to it, I haven’t seen that many of his movies…just commenting on why he may have gotten to make so many.
Barbara and Martin were married in real life.
I loath shopping and the disgusting display of useless goods and shoppers like robots following some programming.
But the season has for most of my adult life been filled with good, if poignant, experiences and the memories of them. It has taken some perspective of age to realize the reason I have warm feelings is because most of the holidays I was working in the service to others.
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Who remembers The Man From U.N.C.L.E. with Robert Vaughn and David McCallum? I used to love that one.
Hmm, I wasn’t aware of a second series…just the movies. There were, in a way, two teams – first season, team leader Steven Hill (later Adam Schiff in original Law & Order).
After that, Peter Graves replaced Hill, for however many more seasons it lasted.
The dickens you say? I guess there’s no accounting for taste.
Yeah, I think it might have been Water World. Seemed like the dumbest movie evah.
And wasn’t there some postman BS that he did too?
In addition to the absurdities in Space 1999 we discussed previously I would like to add that those flimsy spacesuits must have had remarkable insulative properties… you could almost see them flapping in the lunar breeze.
Nope, Landau was in Mission Impossible too.
He was “Rollin Hand”
Not a movie, but the annual Christmas show of early-50′s TV ‘Mama’ (with Peggy Wood) always captivated moi. Lars, Papa, Katrina, the little house on Steiner Street (all voice-overed by Dagmar), and that coffee drop…
Yep, yep and yep. Also the aforementioned Dances with Wolves and that Robin Hood piece of excrement. Honestly, there should a law passed banning Costner from movies forever.
Married from 1957 until 1993. Gad, I only just learned that he’s still alive, I was certain he’d checked out at some point.
Not only is shopping an anathema to me, but so is relative & friend interaction at this time of year. I like most of my relatives, and all of my friends, but being obliged to spend time with them, esp when all the surroundings are so disgusting, is not how I want to pass my daze.
I know. I corrected myself in the post your replying to. :)
LMAO! But at least there was no sound outside in that series.
Gah. Slow on the uptake tonight. I keep staring outside at The MOON!
Whenever Costner stars in a post-apocalypse movie you have to suspect he bored everybody to death.
Yeah, he’s 82 and Bain is 79.
Musta been visiting the porch!
I ducked outside for a minute to check weather – clear, it seems – moon very bright and easy to see.
We should have a good view of the eclipse.
Just remembered I have my childhood telescope in a drawer somewhere…any point in using it, or will it be perfectly obvious with the naked eye? Not sure I’ve ever seen a lunar eclipse before.
Hah I WISH!
LMAO! He’ll do a zombie movie next and they won’t need make up or FX to get the actors in character. Just show them some of his other movies and they’ll all shamble around very realistically.
Falls under my category: There is NO accounting for taste.
I have an acquaintance in historic pres who refuses to judge taste. I attribute it to his income, whereby he cannot afford to insult any current or potential client.
But what is fascinating about him, is how he has internalized his lack of judgment.
Why not? Is it dry where you are?
Overcast here, just like it was the last time there was a full moon on the winter solstice 456 years ago. Guess I’ll have to catch the next one. Darn my luck!
It will be very obvious.
Look at it this way: Now you have something to live the next 500 years for.
Aww, rat, I’m sorry you’ll have to miss it again. Maybe next one????
I’ve long held the theory that popularity is inversely proportional to quality. There are occasional exceptions but Costner certainly ain’t one of them.
Water World was filmed, in large part, here on the Big Isle…! It was the largest water-borne set ever built…! Still..! ;-)
;)
Darn right, hopefully I’ll still be dancin’. :)
Hands downs, The Ref. I like holiday movies with a ‘dysfunctional family’ theme.
Now see, all you Costner detractors – he may not stimulate the box office economy, but big-budget flops are still big-budget. The makers of… water… got paid handsomely.
HEY you! How’s Barcelona treating you?
Same wicked smile! Hello to Peg, too.
I’m only pissed they didn’t hire moi at the time…! Sour grapes and all…! ;-)
Good point. I make water a dozen times a day and nobody has ever paid me one cent.
Gonna mosey out and clean up my kitchen. Happy solstice/eclipse to all.
Goodnight all. :)
‘evening, all-
I love Love Actually. Actual human ambiguity and complexity…and I also love Jeoux Noel, the story of the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI.
Crystal clear skies here. I’m going to sit outside, drink brandy, and watch the eclipse.
Lots of sorrow and transitions this year, but still on track with Manuel and BCN. I’ll send you an email.
And U?
LOL!
Smooch! Scritch on Bob for me.
The only pleasure I take tonight is the bile O will have in his throat tomorrow when he signs the repeal of DADT.
I agree that ‘Waterworld’ and ‘Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves’ were messes. But, I enjoyed Costner in ‘Field of Dreams’ and ‘Bull Durham.’
The world continues to turn; light and dark. You know how it goes.
Aloha, rf…! Give Bob a roasted chestnut for me…! ;-)
I have not read all the comments, and I hope that no one else ever had a (ex) b-i-l who rented “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” for Christmas. That was not a good move.
Just dropping in now — 177+ comments. Hey Kelly! It has been ages love!
Oy. Your bil seriously needs therapy.
Costner was damn very good in Thirteen Days and damn excellent in JFK.
Fortunately we don’t have him in the family any more.
Night all.
“Is Kevin Costner the WORST actor evah? “
He was great in The Big Chill
CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: It’s A Wonderful Life
“Desk Set” with Tracy and Hepburn. I love the scene when he gives her a personality quiz on the roof in the winter and she passes with flying colors.