
Pouting Baby doesn't understand why Mr. Banana Holder won't do his job. (photo courtesy of Jim White)
Pouting Baby is talking to us again. — JW
I noticed in today’s news that the lawyers for Abu Zubaydah have asked Poland to consider prosecuting Americans who tortured him at secret prisons there:
Lawyers for suspected al Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah asked Polish prosecutors on Thursday to investigate allegations that U.S. agents abused him at a now-closed secret CIA prison in Poland.
And it looks like those lawyers have been thinking like Dr. Kaye and Mr. L., because they think the CIA was doing experiments with Abu Zubaydah:
“Abu Zubaydah is the first — in fact he has been described as the guinea pig — for the enhanced interrogation programme. All of the techniques were applied to him,” Joseph Margulies, a U.S. lawyer for Zubaydah, told the news conference.
Here’s what Dr. Kaye and Mr. L. told us about other experiments:
The Defense Department forced all “war on terror” detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison to take a high dosage of a controversial antimalarial drug, mefloquine, an act that an Army public health physician called “pharmacologic waterboarding.”
/snip/
“A crucial issue is dosage” Denbeaux said. “Giving detainees toxic doses of mefloquine has mind-altering consequences that may be permanent. Without access to medical records, which the government refuses to release, the use of mefloquine in this manner appears to be grotesque malpractice at best, if not human experimentation or ‘enhanced interrogation.’ The question is where are the doctors who approved this practice and where are the medical records?”
And why is it that Abu Zubaydah’s lawyers want Poland to prosecute instead of the US? Because, as related in another report on the press conference by the attorneys, they have given up on prosecutions happening here.
Here is a clear explanation of who is to blame for the prosecutions not happening:
In his presidential memoir Decision Points, former President George W. Bush admits that he ordered the CIA to waterboard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. According to Bush, when the CIA asked if it could proceed with the procedure, Bush’s response was “Damn right.”
/snip/
On Jan. 15, 2009, at his congressional confirmation hearing, Holder testified that “Waterboarding is torture.” When pressed by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) if a president could override the congressional ban on torture, even in an emergency, Holder stood firm: “No one is above the law.…Where Congress has passed a law, it is the obligation of the President or the Commander-in-Chief to follow those laws.…[T]he President does not have the power [to torture].”
Mr. Banana Holder won't do his job.
/snip/
Yet now, Holder refuses to appoint a special prosecutor to even investigate whether the Bush administration broke laws regarding torture.
Way back before he was confirmed as Attorney General, Dr. Murphy tried to warn us about him:
When Eric Holder chose to take Chiquita’s money then, he chose to enrich himself by accepting fees from admitted paymasters for terrorist death squads.
So, Mr. Banana Holder was happy to do his job when that job was getting Chiquita cleared from funding death squads, but now that his job says he should prosecute a former president for torture, he refuses to do it. Why won’t Mr. Banana Holder do his job and prosecute Georgie B.?





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Jim & Pouty Baby!
Somewhere in the past 30 years we stopped being a nation of laws and became a nation of men, where the laws do not apply to the rich and powerful. The founders are all spinning in their graves.
pouting baby!
Pouting Baby is young and naive yet, and hopes his government will behave in a manner he can be proud of.
Evenin’ Jim. Firepups.
Holder’s a chicken shit and his big Daddy Obummer told him not to, in answer to your final question.
And did someone say Banana? It’s Peanut Butter Jelly Time!
i had an email from jim white a wee bit earlier wherein he indicated that he may or may not be here when this thread goes up.
he’s on vacation with his family in hawaii
Malaria drugs in Poland a northern country not troubled my bugs.
Ok next step jim what are the effects of high concentrations of the drug at the level it was given at? Assuming Abu Zubaydah did not need high concentraions of the drug after all he like me might have had parents, grandparent who lived and were infected.
As long as he’s having the time of his life…
Oh Sux who answers the obvious medical questions Dr Kirk Murphy?
At least partly, because Mr. Obamanana won’t let him. It would just be so nice if some of the folks who took that oath about defending the Constitution actually kept their word, wouldn’t it?
What are the known effects of overdosing on this drug?
It would appear that there are severe psychological and neurological effects from high doses.
He is a scholar on the Constitution like Thomas and Scalia granted community college teaches better.
Heckuva job banana boy!
Yes, a few:
Lariam is a trade name for mefloquine.
Constitutional Scholars know so much about the document that they know better than to follow it. The rest of us poor shmucks actually think it holds meaning.
Eric Holder’s DOJ = a department of Cowards!
History will show his Marc Rich pardon, will be his least offensive decision.
Theology looks like a hard science next to Constitutional law, if one looks at some of its leading lights.
Those are the milder ones listed in the articled I linked to. At higher dosages they get more severe.
True, but even at more usual doses, it’s potentially problematic, especially for someone who is isolated in a prison.
*heh* He’s probably sipping a Mai Tai or two with TBogg on Waikiki Beach…! ;-)
So it’s basically a hallucinogen. Nice. Glad we could terrorize these people while we were scarring them for life. /s
Side-effects
Mefloquine may have severe and permanent adverse side effects. It is known to cause severe depression, anxiety, paranoia, aggression, nightmares, insomnia, seizures, birth defects[citation needed], peripheral motor-sensory neuropathy,[4] vestibular (balance) damage and central nervous system problems.[5] Central nervous system events occur in up to 25% of people taking Lariam, such as dizziness, headache, insomnia, and vivid dreams.[6] A This American Life broadcast entitled “Contents Unknown” tells the story of an American who lost his memory while working in India as a result of mefloquine prophylaxis.[7]
[edit]Neurological activity
In 2004, researchers found that mefloquine in adult mice blocks connexins called Cx36 and Cx50.[8] Cx36 is found in the brain and Cx50 is located in the lens of the eye. Connexins in the brain are believed to play a role in movement, vision and memory, probably because they help synchronise neural activity.[citation needed]
[edit]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefloquine
Dr Dick don’t bury the lead a lot of scholars won’t dig like I do that includes all the lazy MSM and you know that!
The vote is happening on the House floor for the Pomeroy amendment… More Nays than Ayes… F*ckers…! 8-(
Yeah, but given that it is currently 17 F here in western Montana, I don’t want to hear about it.
Scalia and Thomas ? compared to Marshall:)
Perhaps, but my job is teaching people how to do research and pointing them in the right direction.
Tangential– Remember the secret, empanelled Grand Jury in Alexandria, VA looking over a possible case against Assange? “Judge who struck down individual mandate has ties to Movement Conservatism” (link: http://www.americablog.com/2010/12/judge-who-struck-down-individual.html ).
Actually, I was the one who “buried the lede”. That sentence in itself shows that it’s potentially dangerous in a situation where someone is isolated and under stress. I skipped over an isolated case and a study of lab rats, which isn’t something I feel the need to apologize for.
Precisely. F*ckers.
Yeah well, the teabaggers are in charge now. The Republicans have embraced them and the Democrats have caved to them and now we’ll see how the United States of Somalia works.
Give me some numbers on how much he was dosed we can’t argue intelligent until we know but Malaria drugs given in Poland given the lack of bugs there it does seem unnecessary.
With the first two, it’s like early Christians arguing over when they should celebrate Jesus’ death. Nothing to do with whatever the reality was of his death, just what is better for our purposes?
I saw a report earlier this week or late last week about similar treatment of prisoners at Gitmo and it indicated pretty high dosages, but I was not paying close attention.
The MSM reads and steals our ideas you know that it might take them 6 months or a year but they steal from us and never give us credit! Jane might want to bring a lawsuit someday!
Gitmo could have malaria, though, at least theoretically. Would be interesting to know if marines and sailors stationed there get malaria prophylaxis.
This is all public information and was previously published in the MSM in regard to the Gitmo inmates, as I mentioned above at 33.
Still waiting for change I can believe in. Failing that, change that doesn’t make me want to throw the lot of those clowns in Gitmo.
Speaking of Academic studies…! This was a no-brainer…! ;-)
Extended exposure to Fox News makes voters stupid, university study finds
The story I saw said that they were giving the inmates abnormally high dosages (several times the normal amount IIRC). The article raised the question of whether this could constitute a form of torture.
Giving the worst case scenario is necessary given the Bushies/Obama tendency to go all out on torture. Your a long timer stop worrying about reporting FACTS if they make you seem tin foil hat.
The Left has to stop being Politically Correct!
Franco and the trains running on time you and me were not PC dude we took the trolls down that day!
“Change we can only imagine”
Mefloquine was developed at Walter Reed Army Hospital in the 70s during a time when MKULTRA was still operating before the Rockefeller and Church Committees blew the whistle on this stuff. Anyone who hasn’t read Albarelli’s “A Terrible Mistake” or John Marks’ “The Search for the Manchurian Candidate” will find numerous reasons to worry about what the government has developed and what it is doing to, not only people labeled unlawful combatants, but to Bradley Manning at the brig on Marine Base Quantico which, by the way, is also home to the Behavioral Analysis Unit of the FBI and the FBI National academy.
Anyone wanna lay money Manning’s mental state resembles that of Jose Padilla once he’s presented to the world after 7 months in solitary?
Heh. Emailed that around earlier this week with the tag line, “We always knew Faux Snooz caused brain damage and now we have proof!”
Now it’s for all the marbles…! Asswipes had better not pass it…! 8-(
South America the Malaria virus is weaker than Africa.
I thought that was Mussolini who made the trains run on time.
Since we no longer prosecute torture in this country, it seems that the question is moot.
Please. Even pouting baby knows this was a done deal when it was announced. This is just the dance.
F*ck it’s definitely a Bipartisan screw job…! *gah*
Yeah but I bet it was buried on page 20 only us news junkies read that their people come to the Lake to get page 20 news in the first article 6 months before its reported in the local news and they expect us commentors to explain and debate it for them.
I should get get a paycheck for what I do and gov bennies
passed easily. 114 democratic yeas so for
Kabuki at it’s acme…! 8-(
They got theirs. Fuck us.
It will definitely be worse than he was before he went in. Prolonged isolation changes a person. Being less isolated for a shorter period of time had a rather profound effect on me. I had plenty of intellectual stimulation at the time, in contrast to what Manning is being put through.
Glenn Greenwald’s article from the other day had a pretty good rundown on what can happen.
Malaria is caused by plasmodium protists, a genus of unicellular organisms similar to protozoans. There are several varieties that infect humans and it is possible that the species present in South American cause less severe symptoms.
Things have been going down hill ever since Ford pardoned Nixon. I was pissed at the time and am even more so in retrospect.
Yep and now that the filthy rich have their Christmas present, the Senate Republicans will filibuster DADT, DREAM and START.
Watch.
sucker bet
the game is rigged
The big M could not do that but he had the early version of Fox news working for him.
Do we have any hope of a stand alone piece of legislation that provides some sort of UI to 99ers?
One of the best quotes of the day: “America is like a petting zoo for criminals“
If they are banking on using Manning to implicate Assange in some sort of conspiracy just the solitary and use of psychotropic drugs should do the trick. My only experience with sensory deprivation was back in the 70s using tanks in a building in the 20s on 5th Avenue in NYC. My experience with the USMC, however, is up close and personal and I’m sure Manning is being subjected to some choice treatment by Marine guards.
Oh, I believe you. The Thugs will threaten a filibuster, Hapless Harry will cave in as always, and any worthwhile legislation will be lost because (repeat after me) “you need 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate…”
What a horrible thought. I hope not.
It is not even on the table that I have seen. Our politicians are all too busy worrying about the fate of those poor little rich boys and girls to do anything about the peasants without jobs. After all, are there no prisons, no work houses?
Was Berlusconi’s family involved? :)
From whenparentstext.com
Not with “Democratic” Senators like Feinstein, Landrieu, Lincoln, Webb, Tester, Nelson, Conrad, etc. ALL of whom have refused to even consider the possibility of help for the 99ers.
Plus it isn’t really a priority according to NorskeFlamethrower.
Time for me to toddle off. One more day of grading and I am a free man for two whole weeks. If nothing goes wrong, I might even be done by noon tomorrow. Take care all.
g’nite dr dick
Notice how I left for the day after that? I wanted to climb through the fucking monitor and throttle his silly ass.
Yep and now that the House has voted for Obama’s RPGA (Rich People Giveaway Act), they have no leverage. I suppose they are just going to trust them to behave again.
I didn’t notice because I left as well and for similar reasons.
Nite, Dr. Dick
Goodnight DrD. :)
We are so boned.
I’d suggest ignoring him, but every once in a while even I can’t follow that advice.
Oh yeah. Welcome to the United States of Somalia.
May the Force be with you.
So we’ve gotten Wall Street Bailouts, Rich People Giveaways, Car Manufacturer Bailouts, QE-cubed, and NOTHING for the 99ers?
At least under Bush I got a check in the mail.
There’s gotta be a basketball game on to distract me tonight.
He just set me off today. I left rather than sully the good name my parents have built here.
Spurs @ Nuggets…
How does one ignore all of that concentrated self righteous pomposity? If I hadn’t scattered my dad’s ashes myself, I would have believed that he’s come back to life except as a Democrat.
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/travel/malaria_prevention/latin_america.htm
Never mind that Abu Zubaydah probably has parents or Grandparents who were infected and lived its impossible for Whites to conquer Africa without working Malaria drugs I don’t like Bill Gates focus on this drug given Africa’s
Natural resources I fear Obama wants to play the Great Game with China a country using wormwood like the French for centuries for Malaria.
But unlike the French they have a in the south a somewhat resistant population.
Especially when roughly 70 percent of self-identified liberals still approve of the job he’s doing. I’ve been trying to write about this all day without sounding like a crazy person. It’s enough to make me puke. The guy’s doing the same thing, or worse, than his predecessor whom liberals gave basically a zero percent approval rating, and yet most liberals still don’t seem to understand how much Mr. Hopey Changey has screwed them.
Another great one :)
I think DrDick was pointing out that malaria is caused by protozoans rather than viruses. It’s an important distinction.
And mimosa!
Yep. I’ve been using profanity much more than I like to do but sometimes nothing else can express the way I feel adequately.
Army experience? And yes I have seen how the guards treat child molestiors the guard forgot his keys then as if on cue I wasn’t Connected all of c block said the fire doors are open RUN!
Hey I wasn’t in on the scam but I did want him shot for running now imagine what the Army is doing to him.
Well, it’s done. House passes Obama/McConnell tax deal. Wasn’t even close:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/16/tax-cut-deal-house-vote_n_798058.html
277-148. Guess which way? :/
And now to remind us all of our future… Jimi Hendrix!
Mllk Thistle bought in bulk a handful in a pot of tea before and after you drink the pills are costly and not as good.
george orwell’s 113th dream
Just to clarify! My thing about hangovers had nothing to do with me! It’s from the site I linked to in an above post.
I don’t drink.
Ok but Dick like the Left is still being to nice that was my point if we want to take out Obama we are going to have to stop being nice.
I’m going to go to bed and dream that I’m having a nightmare.
Well, thank the gods of economics for that. Now Paris and her friends won’t have to pay an unfair amount of money to the government.
g’nite margaret
He wasn’t being nice, he was being accurate. You can’t treat a disease caused by protozoans by treating it like a virus.
Oh, I’m hearing it was a bipartisan vote. Doesn’t that just give you the warm fuzzies?
It makes me either want to vomit or cry. Maybe I’ll do both but I’ll never vote for Barack Fucking Obama again.
Wuss I do drink Colin Wilson ” Religion and the Rebel ” or ” the Outsider” ” its Intellect and Passion that inspires and causes such pain that needs numbing its dead hearts that need none” Me quoting myself :)
Aloha!
(burp)
Back from dinner.
What to do if you are attacked by a man armed with a banana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
(apologies if someone else put this up, didn’t have time to read all 100 comments…)
aloha jim
I don’t see the connection between being nice and being correct. I’ve been saying for a long time that we have to stop playing politics like it’s the Special Olympics, where everyone gets a hug and a medal even if he runs the course backwards and trips over his feet every few yards.
But that doesn’t have anything to do with making claims that we can’t back up with reasoning and evidence. I don’t think that gets us anywhere we want to be. It’s one of the problems with American discourse, if one can even use that term and not burst out laughing nowadays. That’s why when I don’t know something, I say “I suspect” or “I guess”, or “it appears”. It’s not being nice, it’s being as correct as I can be.
Jim! Did you get leid?
Not yet, but I keep hoping…
Quinine and Wormwood have been used for centuries If Spain had invaded Africa first my people would still be free! The American Indians would still be alive Quinine from the Incas as Pach might attest to made English dominance of Africa possible.
Wormwood is not as effective but go to China town buy it in bulk get a handful make a tea use lemon and honey to kill the taste and say good buy to parasites.
Hmm. Tigers, 16 ton weights, British Army methods strike me as a bit impractical from a logistical perspective.
Hi, Suze. Thanks for holding down the fort.
my pleasure dood
Ditto.
Aloha, Jim…! Where’d ya eat, Red Lobster…? ;-)
This Self-Defence sums it up…!
Kudos to Jon Stewart tonight.
United States of America = United Fruit Company = Chiquita Banana
United Fruit Company poisoned its workers, murdered its workers, and Chiquita Holder defended United Fruit Company.
Holder also defends Dubya and Obama. Not commoners.
We went to Odoriko. It was outstanding food.
Cujo if we have facts use them don’t as I said in the comments on this thread bury the lead in a link. We are educating how many newbies every thread (mods got any Stats on this) we write to educate the new not just show off how smart we are.
Or should I start talking about Philosophy and a priori and a posteriori arguments? Should I discuss power plant performance in short tons, should I discuss crime in total chi town lingo where the Mob is the Outfit?
Just how many subjects can this jack of all trades master of none can shine brighter than even most of the very educated FDL?
We know we write for the less educated Dr Dick knows stuff on Aztecs I don’t ( and I’m frackin Mexican the Ancestors are not letting up on that one)
We write so newbies can understand everything easy if we link we should pull up the relevant pieces and not bury the lead.
We are an Education Blog even if we don’t know it. The right are Propaganda blogs!
SECONDED! MY THE GRASS ON THE GROUND DIE AND GROW BLACK. MAY ALL LIVING CREATURES FLEE OR ATTACK, MAY HE FEAR THE SKIES AND LIGHTNING, MAY PLAUGE VISIT HIS HOUSE IN A NEW FACE EVERY YEAR.
Once I read as a kid a jewish scholar asked God that before he died he would see the Messiah I asked God to see my people respected. I did not ask for long life but having read several stories of myth how gods twist things I added one clause about me being unjustly slain
This is a variation on the clause :) Cripes just how oppressed was I as a kid in the burbs:)
The Brother in Law is Japanese but no worries about Chinese Coal mercury or Gulf Oil?
I think it’s just about the safest place for seafood right now.
Jim even mystics have a home on the Lake and my tribe seems weird compared to the logic crew but I do logic and the weird better than most can do one.
Some think I pay for one gift by doing the other well:)
Explain why I want to eat shrimp again.
Yeah, and apparently Bradley Manning is being held in Quantico, Va.
in solitary confinement (i.e. alone 23 1/2 hours a day, no exercise, etc, etc,); speaking of torture. Oh and BTW he hasn’t been convicted of
ANYTHING. Also Julian Assange was being held in solitary.
Medical experimentation without informed consent? Sounds like torture
to me.
The medical experiment is an excuse we know what large amounts of anti malaria drug can do thats why they chose it Malaria bugs are not a problem in Poland.
A non White person from the south vary well might have genetic protections from malaria and if anything would need less drugs.
Drugs being tested on White Males only is a problem with drug research.
Malaria the new stuff is the only thing keeping Africa free.
OT: “… in Poland a northern country …”
“Northern” has nothing to do with it. Malaria was endemic in continental Europe (including Poland) until the 60s (WHO Global Eradication of Malaria Program).
Malaria in northern Europe isn’t ancient history.
“Choice treatment.” You can take that to the bank.