[E]very few months we’re told that the bond vigilantes have arrived, and we must impose austerity now now now to appease them. Three months ago, a slight uptick in long-term interest rates was greeted with near hysteria: “Debt Fears Send Rates Up,” was the headline at The Wall Street Journal, although there was no actual evidence of such fears, and Alan Greenspan pronounced the rise a “canary in the mine.”
Since then, long-term rates have plunged again. Far from fleeing U.S. government debt, investors evidently see it as their safest bet in a stumbling economy. Yet the advocates of austerity still assure us that bond vigilantes will attack any day now if we don’t slash spending immediately.
Well, after ignoring years of supposedly runaway deficit spending, it looks like the bond vigilantes have finally seen something that they don’t like:
Treasury prices dropped Tuesday, pushing 10-year yields up by the most since June 2009, after Congress and the White House compromised on a tax package that is expected to raise the deficit and increase the government’s borrowing needs.
The drop in prices, which move inversely to yields, extended further after the government’s first of three auctions this week drew tepid demand from investors.
So while the Republicans pretend that debt from tax cuts somehow magically doesn’t count (it’s like good cholesterol or something) while debt from spending will destroy us at any moment, the bond market appears to believe the exact opposite. I wonder if all the bond vigilante hysterics will start wringing their hands about unaffordable, unsustainable tax cuts now. Yes, I think I’ll just hold my breath until that happens.




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Very nice Special Comment from Keith Olbermann tonight. Glad he’s back to his old self!
ELI!
Heh.
O think peeps can still afford college tuitions.
KELLY!
Nice shade of blue yer turning there Eli.
You might try breathing again. It’s not worth the effort to wait
No, no, I’m on an oxygen strike.
Man, back in the old days around here there would’ve been many kudos on that excellent Special Comment by KO, which was most noteworthy by his in your face slap down of the POTUS.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled post.
Hey, Sanctimonius. When didst thou changest thy name?
That’s “Sanctimonius” Kelly to you, Mister!
(We’re all Sanctimonious now – mine’s just Latinate)
BREATHE, Eli
I think Fierce Advocate changed Kelly’s name today, at his snap presser
Fierceness and pissiness are almost identical. Little-known fact.
Yes! Remember after the primaries when the ReThugs made a big deal about “Hussein” and a lot of people modified their blog names?
Same thing. I was told I was “Sanctimonious” for actually holding a principle.
ELI!
Olbermann was absolutely on fire tonight. I don’t watch that often anymore but I’m glad I did tonight.
Better Sanctimonious than Smug faced laughter which is what one commenter called Southern Dragon this morning.
MARGARET!
Thanks for the idea Kelly. :)
Thanks for the Cliff Notes.
We can all pick one. I’ll be fucking greenwarrior retard.
Cool commentary. I might just watch the replay.
TRMS is a little pissy herself tonight — in a good way.
Hah! That’s coming from a PURIST!
Stop that – I am Sanctimonious, incapable of recognizing thanks.
Oops. I should have written: ELI!
I’m still waiting for a commentary on yesterday’s Circuit Court Appeals hearing. It’s been an important subject here for a long time, and there was no shortage of live blogging. Did I miss it?
Eli,
You can breathe now. The President told us he has cut a special deal for us and that we are all safe because of his deal.
He did mention that he was tired of the Progressives giving him $#it and if it were not for him, the big bad Republicans would still be telling us that we needed deficit reduction, cuts to Social Security and our middle class taxes would just go out of sight into the Stratosphere.
BUZZ!
My bad.
Perhaps it should read “some spending,” because not all spending is equal. Some of it goes for productive things like bombs and subsidies for profitable industries, and doesn’t benefit the dirty unwashed undeserving…
/s
Nice knowing you, dude.
It’s astonishing to me how common this myth is – it’s replayed again and again in the American press, and in quite a few foreign press establishments, too. It’s like being wrong is the expected thing if you want to be a genuine authority on economics these days.
TRMS is tearing Barry a new asshole.
Good point. I probably should have said social spending.
*aargh* First the ‘Sanctimonious’, now ‘the purist’…? Wtf…? ;-)
TRMS — Simon Johnson: $900 billion more to debt is irresponsible.
Eli and firepups,
Seriously, do any of you think that there is a chance in hell that the Ds will stand up to the crap that was offered us today and tell O where to put his “compromise” with the Rs?
And I’m a purist, entirely unable to appreciate any comments not framed perfectly in sync with my ideology.
Btw, Aloha Eli…! Another great post…! *g*
Yes
overkill
Oh I think most of them will leap at the chance to pass this legislation, protestations to the contrary aside. It benefits the ruling caste and that’s who they represent.
Aloha CTut…!
It’s amazing, isn’t it?
Mrcoollaidbacktuttle?
damnthatgirldemi?
I’ve already been told I can’t change my name again. Or else.
Crackin’ my shit up. Gawd, you are honest, aren’t you dear?
Doesn’t quite have the visceral stigma of “entitlements,” but that might just be me being a sanctimonious purist.
Hey, we purists have to be….
Another way of asking that question is: How stupid do you think the Democrats in Congress are? The answer, at least to me, is maybe not stupid enough to vote for this deal. We’ll see. My record as a prognosticator is far worse when I’m being an optimist.
The one thing that’s different is that the Democratic Caucus got its ass handed to it in the last election. They may not want to repeat that experience. If they don’t, voting for this deal is a bad idea.
I do take heart in the fact that the backlash to Obummer’s capitulation was so vast and immediate…! However, only time shall tell…! 8-(
I think a lot of them are having some serious deja vu right about now.
I’m cool with “damnthatgirldemi”…! ;-)
Something tells me that Olbermann isn’t going to get invited to any more White House press mixers.
I know how you feel. Suppose I should change my nom de ordinateur to “Rabid Purist”.
Backlash from penniless & powerless. Yeah, soo encouraging. Not.
Love the we.
Would “Dirty Purist Hippie” be too oxymoronic?
Thanks! Your response gives me hope and there is not a lot of that going on around here lately.
I am so damned disgusted with O and what I thought we were offered back in ’08. I feel so betrayed and angry with him.
I am kind of used to it. It’s who I am. Not only here, baby.
Thanks CT. It is what it is. Better to learn sooner than later. Ha!
Well you won’t get a “we” from Sanctimonious Kelly Canfield.
*sigh* Ya alway’s have to bum my trip, eh…? ;-)
It sounds all wrong somehow…
True, dat. I know. And, it’s okay. All okay. To each our Dulcinea, right? Life’s too short.
PS — I am not loved by way more important people in my life.
What. You have a reality-recognition problem?
I’ve heard a lot of punditry pointing out that he shouldb have at least extracted some help for the 99ers. On the other hand, they can’t do that or the real magnitude of the unemployment situation will become more apparent. After a lot of debating with myself, I’ve decided, for the time being, to keep making claims and sending in work search logs to stay eligible in the hope against hope that something will happen in that area. I’m not unrealistic though and won’t hold my breath.
I don’t find it nearly so comforting. With my record when I’m being an optimist, you should probably be hording firewood and stocking up on MREs.
I wasn’t being serious. :)
Oops. I guess Maddow won’t be going to any mixers either. They probably wouldn’t let her in with her girlfriend anyway.
*heh* It’s that dope-induced haze, M’dear…! *koff* ;-)
Are you calling Eli unrealistic?
Maybe I should become JimTheObscureRanter.
And great post, Eli!
Nevertheless. Way I see it, as long as we’re being all honest and stuff.
Dunno but in my case it would be descriptive….at least until I get in the shower.
JimHorseWhispererOfTruth.
Thanks, Jim!
I would never insult
the BorgEli!No! Being Sanctimonious, I can tell you you should only be “Sanctimonious” “Purist” “Unpragmatic” or “NotSerious.”
On second thought, we could also be “Hostages.”
Nooo…! ‘Pouting Baby’, Jim…! C’mon, go for the winner…! ;-)
Ha ha, I already have stocked up on firewood as a hedge against the high propane costs where I live, but those MRE’s sound like a good idea too.
At my age, 67, I should have known better to put faith in things getting better under a D. I am just a tad smarter today, and O will never get my vote again.
Fireborglake.
Okay but Kelly’s my friend so I’m not going to go there with you. :)
Too bad we can’t seem to assimilate Obama.
LOL!
The GOP have already beaten us to it. Just call him Barackutus.
I’m not asking you to. I’m not a line in the sand drawer. Just saying how it is for me. And, you know me.
I’ll leave now.
Here is Olbermann’s special comment. I recommend it to those who haven’t seen it.
Ha! That’s because you’re not a purist! :)
Resistance is
futilesanctimonious.ZING!
Lobama?
Good thread, Eli.
And, Wall Street ain’t buying the great compromise. The good-news rally didn’t last very long:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20101207/D9JVBSS00.html
LMAO! “We will purify your political distinctiveness and add it to our own….”
Nope – I’ve got it:
lOcutus
Let’s try the link again:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20101207/D9JVBSS00.html
Just Ocutus works fine. Well done!
I’m beginning to think he’s more like Homer Simpson and it would be D’ohcutus.
LMAO!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing cause he really aired ‘ol boy out tonight.
Not that it wasn’t deserved.
Brutal.
Yeah. I’d vote for that one too.
Sherrod Brown was good too. KMA
They all talk a wonderful game but their not caving track record is pretty fucking lame.
Okay, now what’s the deal with the “new” names of many of our “favorite” posters, ’cause I’ve got a “new” name all picked out. Should I go change?
You nailed it. Best explanation I’ve heard to date, for combining politics and financial reaction.
The substance was great though. Calling Obama out on not forcing a vote on extension of unemployment benefits.
I dunno. Do you have one that was thrown out as an insult to the left by Ocutus?
Oh definitely a great rap.
Welcome to the Lake. Will all share that same sense of betral & anger. you’ll fit right in.
No. Don’t understand your reference.
Uh-oh…! ;-)
Obama called us sanctimonious and purist today for being against his tax cuts capitulation.
How about Mauimom the Impractical?
I’m always thinking of you, Margaret. Really.
Or Mauimom the Unpragmatic?
Good fucking lord.
TweetyLawrence O’Donnell just opened his show by telling us that we are all full of shit because we’ve “never experienced the awesome power of governing”. Douche.Thank you for the link. Holy Cow. Pretty much everything that’s been discussed in my household. Gosh. Keith.
Oh crap, do I have to include some reference from The Great One’s slams at us? ‘Cause that ain’t gonna happen.
TRMS was great also.
Thanks. Wish our ruling caste would think about me and the millions like me.
Wasn’t that great?
Don’t worry: that’s just the flavor of the day. I think.
I hope Larry & Keith get into a fist fight over this backstage, because I think KO could sit on him.
What happened to all the talk about offsets? I remember we were told how important it was to steal school kids lunch money to have the offsets for health care.
That’s only for spending. Tax cuts are MAGICAL.
Jane on Larry O
Goddamn that guy disgusts me. We should just stfu cause we don’t know wtf we’re talking about according to O’Donnell. I had to change the channel or risk my television.
jane on lawrence o’donnell’s show right now
Dayam, No heads up that Jane would be on the ‘Last Word’…? *harrumph*
Jane’s on Lawrence O’Donnels “Last Word” RIGHT NOW!
I hope she kicks Ezra Klein’s ass from Here to Eternity.
Whoa! Jane just devastated O’Donnell’s premise. Woohoo!
This news is further evidence that it’s impossible to maintain confidence in a fiat currency if banana republic fiscal, financial, monetary, and tax policies such as this “deal” continue to be implemented while the real economy is stagnant/contracting and middle class Americans are being driven into unemployment, foreclosure, poverty, and austerity.
An economy without a vibrant middle class and strong manufacturing/engineering/capital production base is only going to grow through asset bubbles.
Unfortunately, most likely, future weakness in Treasury auctions after the “Obama cave-in” is long forgotten (i.e. a few weeks from now) will probably be spun by the mainstream media into justifications for cutting/eliminating Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. Thus, this crisis which is affecting everyone except for the crooks in the top 1% of society is guaranteed to deepen.
Get ready for QEIII — the resurrection!
Well, my impression is only one of a non-purist.
See Ya. I really am out. Take good care.
Yay! Jane points out the 99ers get squat. She’s tearing O’Donnell to tiny shreds,
Poor Larry needs to realize that it still has to go back to the House for a vote…! *gah*
O’Donnell again points out his congressional experience. What a fuck.
LOD asking Jane, et al if they would allow tax cuts to expire. Klien is only one answered unequivovally: no. LOD thinks that is the right answer.
Hey! O’Donnell thinks Obama got the best deal he could get. Let me see now, Congress was where in this legislation issue? He stomped on them and they ran under the rug?
O’Donnell is just effusive in his praise of this deal. Unsurprisingly Ezra Klein is the only one with him on this.
EzraKlein – dope. Hodge – Fab. Jane – AWESOME!
She takes her own advice – pivot and riposte!
Jane did mention the 99 ers. I hope she mentions the estate tax fiasco as well.
I haven’t been watching the toob all day, but has anyone besides Bernie Sanders been out to talk about it?
Klein told Olbermann that the “payroll tax” holiday was progressive. I don’t think that word means what he thinks it means.
Yeah, Jane owns LOD
Evidently he doesn’t read his yearly SS statements.
A fair few. Sherrod Brown for example.
Obama may have gotten the best deal except for the 99 ers and the estate tax. I think you have to accept that no one wants taxes on the middle class to go up. That is a controlling issue here. But you can negotiate a little harder. Maybe he still can.
The question isn’t, is this the best deal Obama could get? The question is whether it’s worth doing?
Why would he? he’ll never need it.
I think he should stop dealing with them. They have already gotten everything they wanted the last two years.
For instance, Sanders can only filibuster if the bill loses a cloture vote.
Clinton shamed the repugs when they shut down the government! LOD!
Ellison and Grijalva better be out whipping the PC against it…! I personally told my Progressive House Critter to let the Shrub tax cuts to die, syn die…!
Ooooooooooo. Jane has a smirk on. She has something good to say.
The correct answer is “yes”. In this case, is in so many, doing exactly the opposite of what Joe Klein does works as a pretty good way of not being wrong.
The progressives should say “no deal”, just as they should have done on the final HCR bill.
Ezra’s LYING. Rachel made the point that ALL of the other tax cuts that Obama “bargained for” were FAVORED by Republicans!
Surprisingly, that dweeb Mary Landrieu came out against.
But as someone rightly pointed out, she’s easily bought off [with, for example, increased drilling], so it’s probably just kabuki.
Jane said that Obama allowed the Republicans to use the poor as human shields. Man I love that woman.
Oooh, Ezra, gallops to Jane’s defence…! *gasp*
LOD should lose his show.
Arguing on estate tax. Klein and Jane agree it is noxious. But it does not appear anyone can carry the day for holding out to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.
Rep Peter Welch coming on next. I wonder if O’Donnell will flog his Congressional experience with him?
LOL! Jane let them have it. The repugs are terrorist now, using us little peoples as human shields! Go, Jane!
LOD should lose his livelihood and savings and taste my world for a while.
Yes, please.
LOD, wants to talk over her. He can’t keep his mouth shut long enough for anyone to answer a question.
Prolly. He might let him say something afterwards.
The big lie is that Obama won because he got them to “sweeten” the deal. The Rs WANTED all the things that were added to the deal. He got NOTHING.
The problem is that people who can least afford it will have their taxes go up on Jan 1, and the unemployed will take up shelter under the bridge. I don’t see a house controlled by the repugs doing anything next year beyond what we already have. Unfortunatly the poor are the shields in this battle. I want only help for the 99ers and elimination of that noxious estate tax. I might go to the mats for that since it is right.
Let’s not let Obama make any more deals. They are just bad all the way around. Margaret has the to infinity cubed symbols now. She can say it better than me.
Like she needs it…..
O’Donnell just sucker punched Jane and Adam and the book author by switching the strategy that Sherrod Brown advocated from campaigning for unemployment ins. extension to campaigning to “do the right thing” on taxes. O’Donnell fabricated a straw man by asking “when has any president been successful in using the bully pulpit to get Republicans to do the right thing on taxes?”
Sherrod Brown very precisely argued NOT for using the bully pulpit on the tax issue but on the unemployment issue, because all the Rethuglicans would eventually cave-in on unemployment ins., because they always cave in on that, because they have as many millions of constituents on UI as Dems do.
Somebody warn Peter Welch right now, he’s on O’Donnell right now.
Somebody Tweet him! O’Donnell is just a mole for the WH on this.
All the defenders have are straw men.
Did I tell how good your new handle looks on you?
O’Donnell can’t use that insult about “none of you know the awesome gravity of actually having to govern” on Rep. Peter Welch.
Right! Don’t walk off the field. You haven’t been up to bat yet. Say it, Welch!
Hey guys, anything special happen today?
He can’t use that shit on me, either, and I’ve never been elected to anything. He can stuff that “awesome gravity” where the sun don’t shine.
Just flipped off LO’Do. I’d rather watch Van Susteren than listen to that blowhard wax on about Senate procedure and about why “can’t” should be the starting point for all political discussion.
Ezra was very slick too. He said nothing about the $900 billion dollar straight jacket that the deal puts us in. He deftly shifted his support to the stimulus side.
Tax rates going up for a few months is nothing compared to that $900 billion straight jacket — that is not stimulative to any great extent. Keeping tax rates from going up is not the be all and end all of policy.
He sure as hell couldn’t use it on Jane, try as he might.
Well, no one has been able to argue convincingly to allow the tax cuts to expire. Even Welch would not do so. So I didn’t hear KO tonight but maybe he and LOD should talk. Does KO want the cuts to expire?
Yep. No Jane = no LO’D for me.
He failed to note that everything in the Obama/republican deal makes the deficit and/or the economy worse.
In fairness on the point about the $900 billion dollar straight jacket, he did say that his first priority was stimulus.
*aargh* Larry is such a ‘dick head’…! What’s a 5% tax hike to a minimum wage earner anyways…! A 58% hike…? Get a grip, Larry…!
Olbermann’s special comment absolutely kicked ass tonight. I’ll be searching around the world-wide intertoobz box machine for the video clip and transcript. When I locate it, I’ll send it through the interwebs pneumatic tube and right into a few mailboxes. Making heads explode would be the desired result.
Exactly! I left him on after TRMS because I had a feeling she’d be on. My mistake was leaving him on in the background after the segment. Channel should be changed on principle.
There’s a link to the video in this very thread @ 81
Made me feel good about Keith, again.
Nor did he (LOD or Ezra) mention anything about the implications for raising the debt ceiling.
LOD ambushed the panel with one question: Ya want taxes to go up? Huh? Do ya? Do ya? Huh?
And then talked over everyyone. Jane should not go on in a panel of 4 folks again with LOD. Not enough time to re-frame the question properly.
I wish I knew Jane’s tv appearance schedule so we could support her. Otherwise, those programs I just don’t tune to.
Maybe… Keith or Rachel might knock some sense into Larry’s head…! He’s making no sense in his ‘rewrite’…! *gah*
There’s a link to Olbermann’s Special Comment in this thread.
See Margaretthepurist’s comment above @ 81.
Are you having reading comprehension problems tonight? :-)
For the middle class, the tax cuts are so small that they are barely meaningful. The unemployment insurance is a problem, but at this point the long term unemployed are screwed anyway. The short-term unemployed will get benefits for less than the full two years of that deal. They will run out, too. The longer the Republicans have to explain why they’re letting this happen, the more likely they are to decide they can bend on principle there.
margaretthepurist left a link a ways back on the thread.
Somehow I hope this isn’t all sound and fury(smoke and mirrors)/
I wasn’t aware that Jane was going to be on the show, or I would have tuned in. I’ll catch the clip later.
Speaking of TV appearances, last night’s clip from the News Hour was interesting. I was actually surprised when Gwen Ifill offered that she was puzzled by the term “catfood commission.” Can these beltway types really be that cut off from language that has long since entered the vernacular? How is that even possible? Are they somehow cloistered in some alternative dimension?
Me, too. I always believed that he was muzzled after he went off about the individual mandate and said he’d break the law in protest. He hasn’t been the same since then. Seems like maybe he got the upper hand again since the loud response from all of us about that stupid suspension.
Margaret posted the link to the MSNBC site earlier in this thread (at comment #81). I’ve already embedded it at my place (low res version of the video).
I have never heard Gwen Ifill say anything intelligent.
Keith’s got real heart, and ever since the November ass-kicking, he’s been coming around very fast…at least that’s been my perception.
Not that I’m aware of :-) Why do you ask? Did I miss something in your comment?
I didn’t know either. I had already turned it off when somebody on this thread mentioned she was on.
I can only hope you are right, not for me but for those thinking of camping out somewhere.
Wow. I have. I used to be a big fan.
I located the clip, thanks to all you Fire Pups. Much appreciated. Next stop, exploding heads.
Nothing of import. I hate Ezra Klein. I think he is the second sleaziest critter in the MSM.
Y’know, both my husband and I worked on Capitol Hill “back in the day.”
Does that make our opinions more valuable?
You people are such sticks in the mud. Get with the Pogrom, already.
Jesus Christ! Nazi America
I take it back. I should have written “interesting,” not “intelligent.”
Apparently, according to LO’D
That I can sort of see.
Which chamber? D or R?
I started drawing UI benefits in January 2009. Laid off in 2008, but due to severence could not draw until then. My benefits ran out in May of this year. THe reason I am not a 99er, they tell me, is because my tiers did not end at the right time to skirt into the extensions. Mad, yes, I am boiling mad. Especially when I see that Gazziillionaires want less on estate tax, but there is not one penny for people like me.
Nah… They’ve never lived through the “awesome responsibility” of actually being in the room when
sausagelegislation is being made. Why should he deign to listen to them? Better to shoot the breeze with Mika, Joe and the hacks from Politico.I wasn’t trying to defend him. I thought that in this case he was clear about his focus in supporting this POS. Of course, it doesn’t take much to broaden one’s view and see that he’s wrong.
Having actually worked on Capitol Hill, LOD might descend from his lofty perch for a brief moment just to give you an autograph. Me? Not so much…
Jane and many others have brought that up already. Olbermann mentioned it several times. I’ll bet Feinstein is ready to shit bricks.
BTW, I am not so sure that tax cuts for the lower incomes are unimportant. There is also the child tax credit and larger deduction fo married couples that would go away. If your taxable income is 16k you will pay 800 more in taxes. So all those together will hurt poor people.
you are one of those that we should fight for.
I commented to Jane at one point that during her comments on the subject, she ought to go out of her way to say the “real” name of the commission, and then append “the catfood commission,” just so folks like Gwen Ifill would catch on.
exactly, Larry O’donnell and Chris Matthews should take their skills to SNL
they are hillarious
the WH wants america to think OBAMA loves poor people? WOW (this must be the WH new game plan)
thank god for FDL!!!
where was the love for poor people in the KOREA NAFTA trade deal? where OBAMA? Where Ezra? Where LoDo?
Not following that. Do you mean DiFi?
FUN FACT
For the lowest rung taxpayers, their taxes rising by a few percentages is nothing compared to the absolute
hell they will go through when their social security and medicare will be absolutely destroyed and gutted by the Repubs, to pay for their war and tax cuts.
Be afraid. Your government wants you to be afraid. Being afraid is patriotic.
Pure Orwellian Evil.
God, I hope so. Somebody needs to pay attention. Thankfully, I do have a few dollars left to keep me in my home, but I’m growing my own greens this winter. I really don’t understand why the media is not picking up on all the tent cities and IT tech families living in their cars.
She did do that yesterday on LoD. I think it was yesterday and I think it was LoD.
When I was in the security line at Dulles last week, I had to listen to a loop tape of [head of TSA] telling me that all of these “enhanced procedures” were “for [my] safety.”
It was all I could do to keep from screaming or making rude remarks to the people next to me in line, all of whom were quite sheep-like. [I.e., a few "I don't see any problem with this" remarks.]
Excellent! She hit the mark and Ifill pretty much did a “huh?” in response. Nice to see that term floated on such a straight-laced show. I wonder what kind of ratings they have?
In other words, he was for it because it is modestly stimulative (even though most economists think it isn’t) and was overlooking the fact that it blew a $900 billion dollar hole in the deficit, set up a battle on raising the debt ceiling, further endangered SS, broke one of Obama’s key campaign promises, and was opposed by the majority of folks who voted for him.
By the way, Ezra is one of the clowns who said the first stimulus was the best Obama could get and, early on, he thought it was the right size. And agreed that the PO was just a sliver — that Obama never ran on.
He is #2 SLEAZEBAG.
GOOPERS hate PBS/public television. They have done all sorts of things to rid the world of it.
Yep. DiFi hates the idea of help for 99ers.
That’s like being handcuffed in the back of a cop car and being told, “Don’t mind those bars between you and the driver. They’re for your protection, not his….”
I could last for a few months but I’m not waiting around to get entirely broke if I can avoid it.
It would be a tough contest re sleaziest between Klein & O’Donnell.
I noted in KO’s Special Comment that he mentioned being contacted by “an official very high in the Administration” last night, to try to sell him on the tax “deal.”
You can be sure Klein, Tweety & O’Donnell were contacted as well. For most of these clowns, their parroting of the talking points the WH provides them is SO transparent as to be laughable. [Except, of course, most rubes watching this stuff can't spot it.]
Kinda like when those “new” posters come over here with their talking points fresh from OFA or the DNC, ready to “educate” us pups.
she needs to know that 99ers are not real people. Nobody has gotten a full 99 weeks. Just because they have approved it does not mean the tiers fell right for individuals.
D’s both of us.
I for Dave Obey. He for Henry Waxman.
Husband was actually one of the main staff authors of the original Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and many other good environmental laws.
And in the 1980s we worked with Waxman again [no longer as employees] to get the Vaccine Injury Compensation bill passed.
So O’Donnell, don’t give me any of that Moynihan shit.
Then you are very wise — in LO’D terms. I mean that as a compliment.
Yep. Two days later and I wouldn’t have gotten the last tier. Anything at all to knock people off the radar. Anything.
I did not know that, but it doesn’t surprise me. She’s a Grade-AAA political hack, a real sleazebag. In fact, when I was making the telephone rounds to my senators’ offices today, the snot-nosed little shit who answered the phone in her office told me to watch my language because I used the (very appropriate) term “bullshit,” with respect to the various positions that are being propounded to justify this piece of shit tax scam. Put her down in the “Aye” column, especially given her very high net worth.
This deal is completely irresponsible, and the poor and the unemployed are going to have lots more company if it goes through. That’s the bottom line. They put in a fig leaf of relief for some unemployed, and gave away massive amounts of money to people who don’t need it. What they’re doing is putting off pain a little longer, not making it go away, or even creating any real hope that it will go away.
What the Democrats supposedly got is mostly what Republicans have been supportive of, or haven’t actually dared get in the way of, yet. Once again, the clowns who run the Democratic Party are doing their dirty work for them. If they want to pass unemployment, try to pass a bill. Make the Republicans vote against it. Just unemployment, on its own. That should be simple enough for anyone to understand.
This is really about the Democrats, and them not wanting to go against the rich any more than the Republicans do. It’s not the best deal they could have gotten, not even close.
Fineman had a great line about Obama’s love affair with tax cuts:
Nice smack down! Had Lo’Dy not wasted time reducing politics to the necessity of hand wringing over the limitations imposed on us all by Congressional procedure, maybe Jane or Adam would have had more time to call Ezra out on the bs.
Dan White: The gift that keeps on giving.
I don’t think they were ready for an ambush. I wouldn’t have been.
Obama could WISH he had as much character as Jimmy Carter!!!
Whatever Carter’s faults
a) he’s made up for them in his post-Presidential life; and
b) he would never have been the callous, narcissistic sell-out Obama is.
I don’t know. O’Dious loves insisting that all reality must be reduced to procedure. You know, governing is hard. We shouldn’t expect more from Obama. In fact, we should give thanks that he got anything for us at all given the circumstances.
I would have been expecting that line of bullshit.
LO’D was just astonished that they would have the temerity to so vociferously disagree with what HE said. After all HE has experience writing tax policy and so HE knows what’s best for everybody. He’s worse than Tweety. By a lot.
Of course. Everyone knows that it’s Communist-Marxist-Leninist to its core, especially that “American Experience” deal. And don’t even get me started on “Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.” Clearly Communist indoctrination.
By the way, have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation?
Worse than Tweety? No way! Tweety’s distain for progressives who expect Obama to put up a fight is at least as bad as O’Dious’s condescension.
I never thought of it quite that way, but now that you mention it…
Personally, I find them both revolting, but Tweety, in particular, if only because he’s been on the air longer. They’re both inside-the-beltway hacks who have never had a hard day in their lives. I can’t bear to watch either one of them.
I think LOD is one of those third way people who talk like liberals but support the right wing policies.
Beyond that he’s a prick.
Obama is not going to win in 2012! PERIOD
He is done! Obama, Axelrod, Gibbs, Plouffe, know this simple fact.
Obama has serve his purpose kill democrats, now Obama is trying to do everything he can to help the GOP win the white house.
A dumb democrat would not being doing what Obama is currently doing. (obama is not an idiot, he is very dangerous)
there is no path or road OBAMA can take to win the WHITE HOUSE in 2012. (THE govt. information machine or MSM, is lying)
Can Obama win PENN, Fl, OH, NC, etc. NO!
All progressives have to do is count the number of Black Senators? 0
I want to ask Ezra and Lawrence how many black dem. candidates have won a statewide race without the liberal base, and do they think Obama can win a presidential election without his liberal base? this would end all the crazy talk quickly :)
Obama can’t run a center right campaign and win? not going to happen
Self Preservation is going to go VIRAL in DC quickly! 23 Dem senators are up for re-election in 2012. this is very important, they can’t afford to follow OBAMA off the cliff.
23 Dem Senators yes Michael Jordan number want to get re-elected in 2012. it will be in their best interest to dump OBAMA off the top of ticket.
2012 will be a change election? WOW who knew? and the DEMS need a new face at the top of ticket, not one of a LOSER!
Self Preservation people it is a strange animal, and it can be a game changer.
the most important phone calls made today, was made by major DEM DONORS, saying if Obama tax cut pass, the blood of politics MONEY will be cut off to all OBAMA followers.
Obama is checker player!
Chess is for the big boys. :)
Maybe if Barry and Pelosi had not shoved a crapbag of a healthcare bill down everyone’s throat, they would have accomplished something better 12-15 months ago. Instead we have have to deal with this.
Thank Pelosi… I am sorry we should feel bad for her now since her staff is cut in half and she can’t fly on military flights that the middle class taxpayer had to pay for the past 4 yrs.
jedi master…
“I want to ask Ezra and Lawrence how many black dem. candidates have won a statewide race without the liberal base, and do they think Obama can win a presidential election without his liberal base? this would end all the crazy talk quickly :)”
who cares if a senator is black? does that mean that libs should vote for him? I guess you are saying that black dem candidates are nothing but, black dem candidates that stand for nothing except being black and being a democrat. Talk about reverse racism…
How progressive…
NO!!!
I am simply saying the obvious, a black conservative is not going any where.
After speaking with our african american members, they don’t vote for candidates because they are black. Like everyone else, they vote for candidates who have their best interest at heart.
do you think OBAMA is a liberal? yes or no? simple answer
what issue on the list below will make liberals run to vote for OBAMA
1st Obama endorses the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
2nd Obama attacks Unions (the F! the UAW moment screams republican)
3rd Obama double downs on Bush Wars, (now they are Obama wars)
4th Obama attacks Teacher Unions (teacher unions now hate OBAMA)
5th Obama does not attack the Banks? he bails them out? (sorta like what the GOP does)
6th Obama passes the Bob Dole Health Care Bill (Bob Dole is a republican)
7th Obama kills the Public Option
8Th Obama kills Drug Importation
9Th Obama APPOINTS an insurance executive to manage his health care Bill
10th Obama does not APPOINT Dawn Johnsen
11th Obama hand picks the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
12th Obama supports Blanche Lincoln, a candidate who hates Unions, and has no chance of winning
13 Guantanomo still open for business
14.Patriot Act renewed
15. renditions continue
16. Bernanke reappointed
17. Americans targeted for assassination
18 Obama is all for sending more USA jobs off shore
19 Obama is for tax cuts for the RICH!
20. Obama and the TSA porno Scandal
21 Obama freezes federal wages for 2 years
boston33 is the above list progressive or conservative?
KO said what everyone knows in DC! Obama liberal base is GONE! it been gone, I am not making any news at all tonite! sorry, Obama was done months ago.
answer this simple question do you think Sarah Palin followers will vote for OBAMA? yes or no
(he is more conservative than progressive)
another simple question how many candidates for president get re-elected when they have a 9% un-employment rate.
(no poll said americans wanted the BOB DOLE health care BILL, more than they wanted the economy fixed)
we simply deal with the facts, we don’t do dream land.
jedi master… it is simple, you are a racist. You do not believe in Obama, just like the republicans did not believe in him and his policies for the first two years.
Or maybe you and the republicans are not racist, just misunderstood.
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Yeah, I’d always figured thier calculations just boil down to the benefits of having more money vs making thier existing billions have greater buying power.
Very funny! you must work for TBS! :)
I am not the only one that does not believe in OBAMA
My bandwagon of non-Obama believers is getting pretty full, to the point I have people running behind it trying to get on, and the funny thing most are like me progressives.
have a great day!
YESTERDAY WAS AWESOME! K0 ROCKED!