I just keep thinking what the fuck kind of alternate universe did I wake up in? When you think it can’t get any worse it does.

Just wait until white Christians really ARE in the minority.

you da ladee, wt. you da ladee.

Mizutora!
Yeah, poor Christians. They hold all the reins of government and manage to attach their superstitions to legislation routinely. What a fucking nightmare for them!

Christianity on the way out?

Would that it were.

And how many Senators do they have in Doug Coe’s theocratic fascist group The Family right now?

Inhofe himself is “a longtime member of the Family” (Sharlet, The Family: the secret fundamentalism at the heart of American power, 2008, page 259).

Read Sharlet’s book for the full story on these scoundrels.

Shui Hu Nu!

Watertiger!

So Christians in Oklahoma are being persecuted? By whom? Last time I looked, Tulsa was one of the few places in Oklahoma that even has a synagogue (and forget about it if you are Orthodox). There are even fewer (if any) places with a mosque. The damned Baptists and fundies have dominated state politics for my entire almost 59 years. Hell the state did not even repeal prohibition until 1959.

“I want to make sure that a person I’m supporting is going to have my values. It’s not anything about Jews and whether I think their religion is right or Muslims and whether I think their religion is right. …

So what is your criteria then for picking politicians?

I got into politics to put Christian conservatives into office. They’re the people that do the best jobs over all.”

Bush the Born Again has done such a great job! Obama who goes to church does such a great job.
God please let my next President be an Atheist!

Inhofe is still trying to figure out how the coal lobby gets into his house every year to leave that lump in his sock.

I bet Zeus followers acted the same way James Inhofe does toward Muslims.

He thinks it is a black diamond.

They’re just pitching a bitch because that (obviously atheist) judge vacated the initiative to deny Sharia law.

After just a few minutes in an ass that tight, it probably would be.

It’s not coal…

oh my

Okay, that made me laugh out loud.

Could be. I hear there’s still a lot of horseshit to be had in Oklahoma.

Hola, y buenos noches, gato del agua.

You’re welcome.

Nah, they are just pissed off that they have to sort of kinda be nice to folks who have those other religions and not burn crosses in their yards. Not to mention not being able to publicly hate on all them brown skinned people. Remember that Tulsa was the site of the country’s worst race riot.

Forget solutions to problems the GOP needs more fear! James when the ocean rises more and weather patterns get all screwy before a new Equilibrium is reached we will have crop failures plants can’t adjust or move like people can.
You and all the climate change deniers will say what when food riots hit? Lefties will be growing their own gardens when we can and have green houses up your folk following your leadership will be eating Gulf shrimp to survive.

Buenos noches, BCT!

Oh yeah. And with Inhofe and Coburn around, horses are no longer necessary.

Ol’ Jim Bob is prepared for that and has a beach resort all lined out in McAlister, OK.

I hope he likes the feeling of Gulf tar when he walks on his beach:)

And the sheep are nerrrrrrvous.

Okay, so I have this burning question.

Exactly how stupid are Xians? Is there a lower bound???

One of the few things the nativity stories seem to agree on is that Joshua bar Joseph (later bar El) was born at a time when shepherds were out with their flocks. That places his birth in the springtime at the earliest and autumn at the latest.

Our Christmas holiday was a Christian take over of the pagan winter solstice celebrations. It was originally a pagan celebration, what’s the beef about acknowledging other pre-scientific cultures’ winter solstice celebrations?

Hell, he won’t be there. He will be in whatever replaces Dubai after it drowns.

Please. He’ll never walk on sand before an army of prisoners and ICE detainees comb the beach several times to clean it of any detritus.

Are we talking horse-free asses here?

I wonder if pollution exposure as a child makes one more lizard brain and drops the IQ a few points. Bush was raised near oil wells and look at him community college kids have more command of the facts than he does.
James couldn’t pass earth science in high school.

That too I suppose though what I had in mind was horseless horseshit.

New Ren and Stimpy’s coming in January btw.

WT said it very well. These people aren’t run-of-the-mill Christians, they’re Christian supremacists. Same myth of persecution, same doctrine of superiority, same sickening intolerance, same everything.

There is no lower bound to their intelligence or upper bound to their credulity. I grew up with them, in Oklahoma, and they will argue vehemently that Dec. 25 is the actually date of Rabbi Yeshua bar Yusef’s birth and that the Bible was originally written in Jacobian English.

“LALALALALALA, I CAN’T HEAR YOU!” /wingnut

Awwww, Professor Puma, you mean I’m supposed to read the text before I post?

Borg Collective group identity needs to be Alpha and Omega always was, will be forever and ever Amen.

Same myth of persecution, same doctrine of superiority, same sickening intolerance, same everything.

What we need are some of the same lions….

Yaaayussss! That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

Nick or Comedy Central?

Nah. I was just borrowing what I thought was an insightful label.

“Steempy, you eediot!”

There is no lower bound to their intelligence or upper bound to their credulity.

Just so long as trusted members of the ingroup make the claim.

Isn’t Oilbummer just as much a fundie as the Repugs? I mean, he did get that fat dude Xtian corporatist to do his Xtian benediction at the inauguration.

He certainly hates hippies, so it makes sense. Oilbummer is a 50s square. I don’t know why all those young uns didn’t see it in 08.

It’s the same as when the Christians declare All Hallow’s Eve to be satanic isn’t it? Despite the fact that that it was around long before Satan.

True story. When she learned that my cousin was studying Greek and Hebrew, my mom’s oldest sister said, “If English was good enough for Jesus, the King James Bible is good enough for me.”

Need some Immigrant Barbarians too:)

Nicktoons I think

I guess she never heard the rumors about James playing for the other team?

Even better: It’s log!

When one remembers that the U.S. was colonized by large numbers of intolerant religious superstitious, genocidal, bigots none of this should be surprising.

That’s another one I can’t get my head around.

Wait a second… Hallowe’en is a contraction of “All Hallows Evening”, which is to say, “All Saints Evening.” You mean the Saints went to the ‘nother place, heah?

Priceless!!!

I have had that discussion myself, as well as the one about the date of Rabbi Yeshua’s birth. It is a wonder I got out of there without permanent brain damage from pounding my head on the desk.

Not a chance. She thought a Tudor was a fancy car.

And creation took place on October 23, 4004 BCE.

Was King James not master of his domain?

How many folks know that King James (who commissioned the King James Bible and to whom it was dedicated) loved men and had sex with them? At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.

Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. “The king leans on his [Carr's] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others.” (Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611)

Carr eventually ended the relationship after which the king expressed his dissatisfaction in a letter to Carr, “I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary…Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me.” (See The Letters of King James I & VI, ed., G. P. V. Akrigg, Univ. of Calif. Press, 1984. Also see Royal Family, Royal Lovers: King James of England and Scotland, David M. Bergeron, Univ. of Missouri Press, 1991)

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/history/king_james_gay.html

The Bible is actually a Gay plot!/s

*facepalm*

Not to mention the large numbers of petty criminals, beggars, and prostitutes.

At about 9 AM, if I recall correctly.

(That in itself makes the reckoning suspicious to me. If I were God, I wouldn’t get going on Creation without a nice lunch first.)

Was King James not master of his domain?

Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me.

It seems there are limits to the Domain:)

Yeah. Ha. I never understood how these prigs worshiped a bearded, sandal wearing hippie whose closest friends were men and prostitutes and who rejected a traditional family structure for itinerant preaching about peace and the Good News.

They don’t understand the Gospels at all, these freaks. Jesus was a socialist anarchist!

Yeah. I had that conversation as well, along with pretty much every other idiotic and pointless discussion you can have with a fundie.

Yep but don’t let the fact that we can detect stellar parallax at a much greater distance than 6,014 light years or that the speed of light is finite bother their heads. After all, science is extremely anti Christian.

I disagree.

If I were God and starting to get hungry for lunch, I’d start with the whole “let there be . . .” thing early enough to get food on the table by noon.

9AM sounds about right.

Reality has a natural anti-Christian bias. I have it on good authority that God Himself is agnostic.

Who needs the Enlightenment when you’ve got that “ole time religion?”

I’ll grant you, at least, that he may have needed some light to make his lunch.

Certainly not the fundies.

I think that whole “knows all, sees all” sort of implies that he can see in the dark. That of course proves that God is really Ceiling Cat.

Does James Inhofe read the King James Bible??? Is he a Plant a Deceiver a Tool of the Right Wing Gay agenda.
J.Edgar Hoover, Ray Cohen, Senator Larry Craig, Rep Mark Foley, Karl Rove (like Father like Son), someone got Jeff Gannon an internet Gay Ho a WH press pass Bush, Darth and Karl had that kind of clout and a need for someone in the WH press corps to throw them softball questions.
The Right Wing Gay agenda threatens us all!/s

“Goddammit, I can’t see a thing. Did I just put anchovy paste on that peanut butter sandwich?”

The point is that if the Universe was 6,014 years old, why is it that we can see many billions of light years worth of stuff in the universe? If it was 6,014 years old, from our point of view we’d be in the exact center of an expanding bubble with a radius of exactly 6,014 light years.

The only Christian was Christ. Whatever came after that was absolute bullshit. Besides maybe the Unitarians who the hell follows the Gospels as they were intended? If they did, none of these corrupt pols in the US Congress would be doing what they are doing.

But the universe was created that many brazillions of years old…

we can detect stellar parallax at a much greater distance than 6,014 light years…the speed of light is finite

The answer this elicits is the same as one gets in response to questions about how a 6000 year old earth squares with the existence of fossilized dinosaur skeletons:

“Those are traps of the devil, set for the unwary.”
(from an actual conversation I had)

Yes, I know. I’m just having some fun at the end of a long day.

Don’t go trying yo confuse them with your tricksy facts and logic. Those are the Devil’s toys. They hay have the TRUTH!

…God Himself is agnostic.

Okie-dokie…! ;-)

Yeah, I had that one as well.

When the Fundy’s start cracking back at the Catholic church for ‘rectifying’ their gargantuan Galileo mistake, they will have come full circle. In 5, 4, 3…

Nice one, WT!

Retired MO Senator Jean Carnahan has some interesting thoughts on the Ark that the state of Kentucky is going to build:

. . . Who ordered this massive construction project and why? The first ark came with clear instructions and purpose. As you recall from your Sunday school days (or Bill Cosby’s routine), Noah was commissioned by the Almighty to build a boat in preparation for a catastrophic happening. He was saving the earth.

Now, I don’t mean to impugn the motives of these godly ark-building people of today, whose aim appears to be purely profit, but I wonder if this is really their response to global warming? The “6,000-year-old-earth” people like to make us think they’re unconcerned about the climate, but maybe they’re as worried as we are about tsunamis and polar melting. Are they really building Ark II and cleverly disguising its location is rural Kentucky?

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

That would explain Alan Greenspan.

We are standing on a round thing that is spinning at about 87,000 miles an hour. WTF?

For some time opponents of McCarthy had been accumulating evidence concerning his homosexual activities. Several members of his staff, including Roy Cohn and David Schine, were also suspected of having a sexual relationship. Although well-known by political journalists, the first article about it did not appear until Hank Greenspun published an article in the Las Vegas Sun in 25th October, 1952. Greenspun wrote that: “It is common talk among homosexuals in Milwaukee who rendezvous in the White Horse Inn that Senator Joe McCarthy has often engaged in homosexual activities.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccarthy.htm

Dig a little bit and many of the most insane hate monger GOPers seem to be repressed or in the closet Gays.

I’ve got my outrigger all set, Peterr…! ;-)

Are you trying to tell me that Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand generated the Big Bang?

Aw, fuck, I’m gonna be the first one in line for the brain bleach this time…

Wait’ll you find out how fast it’s hurtling through space!

I see stuff like that, and all I can do is envy the archeologists who are going to dig this place up in 10k years.

Aw, fuck, I’m gonna be the first one in line for the brain bleach this time…

Second! Thanks for that picture…

Thats worth a post:) I wonder what James thinks of that:)

I’m gonna be sick…space sick…

They certainly created a singularity of ugly and evil. (I am right behind you in that line, so hurry up!)

Relative to what?

All right, I think I’ve done enough damage for one night. Time for bed. Peace out, y’all!

Good night, Professor Puma.

Night!

This may help: “Just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s revolving . . .”

Plus Christ’s ideas are incompatible with capitalism. He’d be appalled by our sick system.

Oooh! Deep. That’s just the thing isn’t it? Relative to the sun? Relative to our nearest neighbor? Relative to the galactic center? Relative to the rest of the local group? It’s not like you can fix an imaginary and stationary point in space. Everything is relative.

I’m heading out, too.

G’nite, all!

Out of nothingness Boom a big bang of material from another dimension spilled over because nature hates a vacuum Rand and Greenspan together are an intellectual vacuum in the negative numbers.

Night Puma!

Night Peterr!

Donate your liver then?

Night. Keep up the good fight.

Pleasant dreams, Rev and Dr…! ;-)

Some reference frames are more useful than others. The problem for the yabos is that the only frames of reference they are willing to consider involve a motionless earth, and often a locally Euclidean geometry.

Ta-daa! Instant Flat Earth! Just add knuckleheads.

Ta-daa! Instant Flat Earth! Just add knuckleheads.

Unfortunately we’re rife with them.

Then there’s the whole radioactive decay thing. Oh, and the known speed of fossilization. Plus the laws of thermodynamics.

You mean thermogoddamics?

1. You can’t win.

2. You can’t break even.

3. You’re not allowed to quit playing the game.

When you reject evolutionary theory, you also reject the entirety of modern science. Of course, that is their whole point.

Except they’re perfectly happy to accept the technological fruits of modern science. We don’t see them clamoring to go back to vacuum tubes, or earlier technologies.

Which proves evolution.

Sorry – but the left’s dump on the religious is unnecessary and unproductive and indeed when we mock the religious and their concerns we make our other causes weaker.

One’s faith is no one else’s business (including a faith in a belief that there is no god)- and one’s concerns relative to that faith should not be mocked. But these are not political concerns unless you are a GOPer trying to pull votes from those who are “value voters”. We on the left just piss folks off when we try to tell others that they have no values or values of lesser quality than our own.

Solving the problems that arise when minority rights bump up against other minority rights and indeed against majority rights is a 24/7/365 job, but I have yet to meet anyone with a perfect solution to any of those problems. What I do know is that mocking those that express what they see as a problem is not a way to either get along or get mutual respect. For the record I see no problem with “holiday” – and I am a Christian. But this wastes energy.

End of rant – now back to battling the class war – in case you haven’t heard – we who are not rich or corporate are losing – and it needs 100% of the our energy.

Yeah. They want Dark Ages theology and “science” with 21st century technology.

So sorry, papau, but I disagree.

Stupid beliefs are stupid beliefs. Ridiculous propositions deserve ridicule: the proposition that Christians are under assault anywhere on this continent (much less in the USA alone) is patently ridiculous.

I am sorry, but I grew among these barbarians and I consider fighting back in self defense a perfectly reasonable response. Ignorance and intolerance must always be combated, not matter what its guise.

Amen.

Time for me to toddle off. I haz to corrupt young minds tomorrow (only 3 more days of corrupting and then the abusing begins!). Take care all.

Wow, a most memorable PBS Newshour tonite… Jane at the start and Jimmy Carter on the tail end… Two most excellent bookends…! ;-)

I agree with you…I’ve asked people why they’re whining when they’re not even being persecuted, and they don’t have very good answers. “Things used to be different” is the answer I’ve gotten a few times. “It’s worse now.” No! It just isn’t.

I can’t remember who it was who said that biology makes no sense except in light of evolution.
On that note, I’m going to bed too. Oya!

Night DrD

Aloha, Peg and Dr. D…! ;-)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs and “god” is about as extraordinary a claim as there is. Sorry. I respect you very much but my “religion” is science and I view everything, including religious belief in that context.

Hey Margot! It is the creeping, no, galloping infection of Fox News.

We’re in the midst of abuse now. Good night, Dr. D.

Good night, Margaret.

You two — go for it!

Yes, Fox News ginning up a fake controversy sounds about right.

The $237 I sent to Barack Obama during the campaign? I should have just sent it to a millionaire or billionaire. It would have ended up having the same result. How fucking disheartening.

Jon Stewart was right on tonight with his Fox News parody.

It’s true, Christine. Finals week started here today. I gave my theory students a take-home final last Weds, due at noon today.

One of my students came by this morning at 10 and said he’d turn the exam in to me tomorrow. I said, “No, it’s due at 2 today.” (I’d modified zero hour for a student who left his exam paper at home.)

“I won’t be done. I spent most of the weekend in the library looking for solutions.”

I said, “Too bad. I was clear that the due date was noon today. I’ve extended it to 2 PM. No farther.”

I refrained from noting that he’d have been better served to actually sit down and work on the problems I’d set rather than seeking the solutions written up elsewhere.

Guess we should have sent it to one another, that way we might have been able to pay the electric bill for a month.

Well, I had a comment, and lost it in my terrible connection. Anyway, congrats! My art history students have been a great class to serve this semester. They like us!

Good night, folks.

Funny.
I spent the limit (at the time) in 2004 on, and worked my butt of for, Dean. I don’t regret one cent of it, or one drop of sweat.

Night BCT!
Happy dreams.

I love Howard Dean. I’m crushed that he was/is marginalized.

How is it that one ‘Yearrgh’ epitomized his demise…? 8-(

Yep.
The price for remaining ‘in the party’ is adopting the idiocy of the moment – in Gov. Dean’s case, the health care debacle.

Again, Fox News. What a pile of shit that organization is.

I don’t think it did. Though CNN would love to claim it.

He was taken down in Iowa, IMO, by Democratic operatives (Tony Coelho) – speculating here – on behalf of Lieberman and Dick Gephardt.

The Dean-Trippi postmortem suggested that their campaign hadn’t yet figured how to transition from an insurgency to a national campaign, leaving it top-heavy and vulnerable. One blow at the knees, and it was over.

That is horrible. I hope Suzanne at LLN can cheer us all up. What a fucking depressing day.

*heh* I’ve got the honors tonite, CE…! ;-)

Hey CT! We need love!

CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: Ana

Would that not have been “Medammit, did I ….”?

Re cult of victimhood:

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.” Matt 5:1

Righteousness is in direct proportion to persecution.