Good morning KarenM. So sorry about your tooth.

Spent just enough time at my in-laws to catch up on that part of the family, and eat a great dinner that the next generation prepared (yeah!). And not enough time to be bothered by the usual family tensions.

Got a ride home with new friend. And when I arrived Friday afternoon, my driveway guy was actually there working. All-in-all, a very satisfying time.

the chipped tooth sounds like a real pain, but that gluten interolance thing would be the death of me…am addicted to carbs, wheat based, hop flavored, in liquid form, can’t leave the IPA’s alone…
at least there’s more awareness these days and I see more & more gluten free sutff on menus and at the grocery, so hopefully it’s bearable.

anywayz – our turkey day was just fine, thanks

That’s the pits, KarenM. You knew some one couldn’t help saying it, didn’t you?

Enjoyed the salmon, picked my ripening tomatoes before they froze, enjoyed the day peacefully.

We had 14 for dinner. Did something different for me, although some one else I told knew about it. Instead of going around the table saying what we were thankful for, we went around the table saying some words about the person to our right. It was interesting to hear what people chose to say. My sil ‘did’ me. On my right was a young woman, very talented musician (plays classical & jazz bass; her partner played show tunes on the piano after dinner for a sing along). I told a story that really endeared her to me at a Xmas dinner about 5 years ago.

chipped teeth are no fun KarenM, i know from experience. who knows? maybe the forces of the universe wanted you to diet this holiday, heh. ;-)

i skipped the Gluttony Fest also known as thanksgiving with family this year. i’m having issues with my lifegiver and decided to forgo the bullshit and drama, for once. i’m not sorry, and this was the first time in over 20 years i didn’t spend two days doing a lot of cooking. she’s a terrible cook, and invariably no matter if i host it or she does, i end up doing all the cooking so that we can have a palatable meal. this year i stayed in my house all by myself, and talked on the phone with all my queer friends and drank some wine. it was fabulous. my gf is coming over today and we’ll probably do some fancy cooking, unlike my lifegiver the gf is an excellent chef and we enjoy cooking together.

to be truthful, thanksgiving has always bothered me as a holiday. i’m part native american, and i know the true story of how the euro settlers repaid the hospitality the people of the First Nations showed them. i’m sure most here do. but it seems sort of sick and wrong to celebrate the genocide of a generous, peaceful people and the destruction of a pristine natural environment, all so a bunch of white folks who couldn’t get rich and enforce their version of a religion on people in europe got a chance to do it here. ymmv.

Empathies on the tooth. Having done the same myself, I learned from my dentist that olive pits are among the top 2 or 3 causes of broken teeth, at least in adults.

Honored to be included as ‘all my queer friends’ – and I’ll have pumpkin pie, thanks.

Heh on the food prep. My in-laws are a family where everything that appears on the table before them is ‘delicious’ whether it is or not. I just let it roll over me for the time I spend at table with them. And there was enough good dishes to have a great meal. I brought a fresh organic turkey, same thing I did last year, and it was ‘delicious.’

I see your point on U.S. history. I am a history moron, in the sense that everything I learned in school, I forgot as soon as I passed the test. Have learned a lot of history in specific areas in my adult life, from reading on my own. Not until recently has that included U.S. history, and it is NOTHING like the textbooks I had as a kid. Turns out,the U.S. has always been a rapacious, territory-grabbing country, under the excuse of being the ‘chosen people,’ who know better than anyone else what’s good for the other guys. While self-enriching, oddly enough. Treatment of indigenous Americans is perhaps one of the worst chapters, but by no means the only one.

eCahn: i literally had to stop studying the history of the First Nations, in the college classes i was taking on the subject. it was making me so sick and sad. i took just enough to come to understand how awful the genocide really was, and it was beyond horrible. not to belittle other periods in history in which a group of people were slaughtered because of racism and greed, but i’ve always argued that the genocide of the First Nations is greatly under-discussed in this country.

ruth: heh, i wasn’t going to out you, but yeah, you too. /naughty/

Good morning, All!

Not only that, but the treatment of First Nations continues. USG won’t even give them an accounting of the monies ‘owed’ (as if the puny sums could in any way be just compensation) them, to this day. The whole sucks of to the nth degree.

to be truthful, thanksgiving has always bothered me as a holiday. i’m part native american, and i know the true story of how the euro settlers repaid the hospitality the people of the First Nations showed them.

Though there is not much, if any, Native American in me, I too share a certain amount of discomfort about how this country came to be.
I don’t celebrate the “Pilgrims” though who weren’t the innocents fleeing persecution that they are portrayed to be so much as dissidents fleeing prosecution, nor do I celebrate the Founders whose highest ideals was not wanting to pay their taxes. Instead I celebrate the National Day of Thanksgiving that was declared for the last Thursday in November in 1863 by Abraham Lincoln because the fortunes of war were turning around. I don’t celebrate that bloody war but we can all agree that the results of it have made us a stronger people.

Good morning everybody and sorry about your tooth KarenM

So sorry about the tooth, KarenM. I broke a tooth on an olive in a Panera Greek salad. Wound up with a cap on it but no root canal (which they do sometimes). I am a bit more careful now when I eat a salad with pitted olives in.

Had a good Thanksgiving with my new daughter-in-law’s family in Evansville. There were 30 of us (plus a couple of little ones) and LOTS of good food. I came home with a yummy salad recipe! Back in Indianapolis last night and home to South Bend today.

Hope everyone had a great holiday! It’s especially nice to have this little break from the political craziness.

Hey, folks. Good morning. NPR with a Judith Viorst interview. She has another in the series of books: Unexpectedly 80. Great interview (even with Scott Simon) & book sounds terrific.

Karen, Yes. Sorry about the tooth. I had broken a back one on something; needed a cap. Was really not too much trouble except the expense w/o dental insurance…Sounds like you still had a bit of a feast.
Nice.

I’m back… had to throw a load of laundry in the washer and grab a yogurt.

Thanks for all of the kind words about my tooth. I tried to leave a message at my dentist’s office, but their in-box was already full.

That’s a sound idea for something really worth celebrating, unless you think maybe we’d be better off if we’d let the deep South go.

The wheat thing is more than a decade old for me now… in the old days, whatever there was pretty much tasted like cardboard, but things have changed and much for the better.

Never thought of the feast’s aftermath from the POV of dentists & docs!

LOL… someone had to say it! Thanks!

Morning all. I went to the neighbors for Thanksgiving. They made chili at the request/demand of their daughters visiting from out of town. I made a delicious (really!) cornbread – it’s kind of got a cornbread base and then a custardy layer on top. I enjoyed. And ate too much.

manifest destiny and pumpkin pie, now that’s America

I agree that Thanksgiving is a bit of a mixed holiday. So, I try to keep the emphasis on family and food… it is a real shame, though, that our fouders repaid the native Americans with disease and bad bargains.

I’m swearing off of olives with pits in them!

currently eating baked ziti w/ sausage for breakfast – i would be totally screwed if I had to *watch* what i eat. am a shameless gourmand. probably just like all the other folks out there who don’t realize how good they’ve got it.

That’s a great short version!

The two divided nations would have never survived alone in my opinion, nor would either have ever become what we have become, (I mean the good as well as the bad of course). It’s my belief that re-unification would have happened eventually but maybe not until after a whole lot of wasted time. Then there is the west to consider. That might very well have wound up it’s own nation too of they just let the south go.
Besides, my dad was from Indiana and my mom from Louisiana. I wouldn’t exist. Life blows sometimes but I have to be happy about being alive.

Morning Margaret, Karen and everyone,

You beat me to mentioning the Lincoln declaration, Margaret, thanks for getting to it.

Popcorn is the tooth and filling nemesis that I need to watch out for. Plain air-popped corn, add butter to taste, lemon-pepper, and freshly grated Parmesan while the pop-corn is still hot. Hope your tooth can be easily repaired and is not causing much discomfort.

Sounds like a wonderful meal. But for me, it would have to be on some other day. I am emotionally wedded to turkey for TG.

Good morning all. Sorry about the tooth KarenM but thanks for the PUAC.

We had a very low key day with friends. Much good food and a lovely white chocolate pumkin cheesecake by CBL.

Hope all pups had as nice a day as ours.

Tassajara?

:::moment of silence for the native american travesty of justice:::

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Thank you… maybe we should mourn on Thanksgiving?

Popcorn always gets stuck in my teeth… I rarely eat it.

Mmmmmm! pumpkin cheesecake!

not very good at mourning, sorry – unless it’s NOLA style !

Yes! Have you tried that recipe?

Are you in NOLA? Ive gone to a number of those street mourning parades..what a gift.

Oh, and a gooey pumkin cake. A Paula Dean recipe I think. Very nice.

I’ve heard about it and how it deveoped from a mistake… but I can’t eat anything with wheat and I haven’t tried making it in a gluten-free version. Bob’s Red Mill has a pretty good GF cornbread mix. Maybe I could use that.

You beat me to mentioning the Lincoln declaration, Margaret, thanks for getting to it.

Too many people forget about that but it was that declaration that set the Thanksgiving that we celebrate today. Before that, there were other ones but they were local or regional in nature and celebrated different things at different times of the year. For a long time, I thought the whole “Pilgrims” thing was just what was taught in Texas, (textbooks down here being somewhat revisionist), but I’ve found out that almost no primary school in the country mentions Lincoln’s declaration and very few secondary schools do. I don’t know why. I find it infinitely preferable to the story about a bunch of religious zealots who came and began the forcible attempts to assimilate, indoctrinate and eradicate the native peoples.

I broke a bicuspid in half not to long ago, while biting into a slice of bacon.It had to be pulled. Still haven’t got it fixed yet.
I just don’t smile much, or I’ll look like a toothless hillbilly!

Yikes! It always surprises me… the sorts of foods that will cause a tooth to break or chip.

In school we learned that the Pilgrims held the first T Day feast. But I do remember learning about Lincoln’s proclamation.

Me too, but that doesn’t stop me.

Our TG family get together was very nice, no talk of politics, even keep my mouth shut on some talk of friends of some of our family members who were not doing so well financially.

Gourmet cheese and pies, normal turkey and traditional dishes, but one of the soon to be married into the family guests, presented a wine tasting lesson that was a lot of fun. 8 different good affordable wines.

yes, the modern day treatment of the First Nations continues the barbarous american tradition.

i’m hoping for a position with a firm that i’ve been flirting with for a while now, and if it works out, one of the things i’ll get to do is work on a reservation on educational issues. i’m very excited and sincerely hope to get that chance to help Native kids get a fair shot at college, just like the rich kids who are mostly the ones who i work for today.

8 different god affordable wines.

Great typo, esp in light of the income distribution in the U.S.

Yes, today is more like carbo-loading for Black Friday marathons.

You are a wonderful soul and I’m glad that you’ve started to spend a little time here at FDL. It enriches us all.

Fixed

I hadn’t read the proclamation before… I just read it now on wikipedia.

T’giving is really my favorite holiday. Both my parents died in Nov; my only child born in Nov, etc. A time, like many others, that is bitter sweet. I particularly like the part of the story that the 1st T’giving was a feast for having survived the harsh winter….That’s what I learned/most of us have plenty to be grateful for (I know…not all)

not in New Orleans – just like their approach to paying respects. living in Denver ~~ where the climate suits my clothes ~~ ….

I use corn grits (polenta), whole wheat flour and unbleached white flour. Maybe you could substitute the two wheat flours with rice flour and/or potato flour and see what happens.

Thanks…my weather choice is really for heat…NO & TX, mostly.

Edit is baaaack!

I broke a molar but it wasn’t on Thanksgiving. I’ve yet to get it fixed because I can’t afford it.
Thanksgiving for me was a mixed bag. No dramatic moments but I learned that a longtime friend had succumbed to the siren song of superstition and became a Mormon. Though he denies it, it has more to do with advancing age and fear of death than any real conversion. For myself, I don’t want to die anymore than most other people but I am content, being one tiny neuron in the awakening self awareness of the universe. Though my spark will flicker and die, the universe of which I am just a tiny part will go on.

I guess that survival part doesn’t quite fit the November date, but it’s a good thought. As I recall, each year’s grade school commemoration had a different theme, and I am permanently confused as to who produced what food, except that burying fish with the corn was good fertilization techniques.

Used it three times already this morning. Something to be thankful for, but god affordable sounded like wines for the MOTU.

It’s worth a try… I do love cornbread, having been raised on it.

That’s what I was implying.

My wife’s family came here in 1638 during The Great Migration, the period between 1620 and 1640 when several thousand Puritans emigrated from England.
So I guess that would make my kids descendants of Indian killers .
I’ve done some additional research on the family name, and have learned some interesting things. One thing I was afraid I might learn though was that the early settlers owned slaves.
I stopped searching because i realized some things might be better left unknown.

Good Sort of Late Morning, Karen and all the Pups
My Non Mourning Thanksgiving turned out to be pretty good. My sister suggested that my sonny bring his Monopoly board and we sat around for about two hours playing. It kept our focus on a mutual activity and away from any contentious issues. Except, when the food was ready, we decided to pack it up. I declared that I was probably the winner, because I had the best Monopoly – Park Place and Boardwalk with houses. My nephew said he was the winner because he had more money. He said money is more important than properties, and I said, Well you would think that – you’re a Republican! Everyone laughed and we left it at that. Ha! Mostly, my family tries really had to keep things nice. I think they were glad I didn’t say anything worse than I did. :)

Have a younger brother there but have not visited the fair city since 2000. Lots of times during the ’90′s. Always enjoyed the easy excursions into the mountains.

bacon??? omg how horrible! i could never give up bacon, even if it’s dangerous to my teeth. ;-)

Karen, ditto ralphbon’s empathies for your dental injury. Mine resulted from running around the swimming pool when I was eight and raw carrots when I was 31.

Like others here, I’m more in sync with the Native American part of me (thanks to my paternal great grandmother), and like my ancestors, I am grateful for my many blessings. I am grateful for the idea that we’re supposed to set aside a day just to be with our families (hopefully our true families – not limited to the ones biology gave us if you wouldn’t have chosen them for yourself) and be grateful for what we have.

My husband and I both worked most of the time around Thanksgiving Day (not complaining; we’re grateful for the income), so we stayed home together and had homemade veggie pizza, our barking kids got stewed broccoli, tomatoes, and chick peas (garbanzo beans if you’re fancy), our kitties curled up in laps, our foster dog who went through heartworm treatment on Monday was doing ok, and we watched the Saints win. It was the kind of day I’d always appreciate.

Peace to and blessings on us all.

Yes, we’re proud of you…;) Good Morning.

It wouldn’t be so bad if the USG & citizens could come to grips with their history, kind of like the Germans have after WWII. But that accountability is for losers. Winnahs never have to say they’re sorry. What a sad state of affairs.

~whoa~ that LDS is baaaad for the brain.

i can’t understand the late-in-life converters, but if it could happen to Isaac Newton (Sir Isaac!) then fear of dying is one powerful impulse.

I know… most of my family is Republican, too. So, I’m always posting things from my POV on Facebook.

I like Thanksgiving Day because it combines all the good things like food and family without the blatant commercialism that has taken over Christmas

I have a bacon sandwich every Sunday, just because Leviticus hates it.

yes, thank godness!

This person retails in greater Chicago area and has plenty of those too. I did get your implication. My phone company is getting a call, my refresh button or submit comment command takes almost 40 seconds to get back to the discussion here.

Good for the Saints…I hadn’t heard. The Longhorns lost again.

I do think it’s a good idea to rebel against the Old Testament! Good for you, Margaret! And I ate some shrimp yesterday!

it has more to do with advancing age and fear of death than any real conversion.

i have never been able to understand that kind of fear. it’s not even because of my military service or atheism, it’s something i’ve always understood about myself and how i’m different than most people. i suppose part of it comes from being raised as an agnostic by educated people including a medical scientist, who taught me that all people die at a very young age. but to me, death is a good thing. not saying i want to die right now, but when my time comes? i’ll welcome it. death is the end of pain, the end of regret and of loss and anger and all the other negative things that weigh on the brain more and more over time. Tolkien said is best, “…and they were not yet weary with the burden of years” speaking of the early stages of the immortal elves and how different they felt about life in the later stages. life is burdensome. the fires of youth die down, eventually. why would anyone want to live so long they watch all their friends and family die, and suffer ongoing pain in the face of all that is wrong in the world? maybe i’m just too aware or something, i dunno. i greatly fear pain and suffering at the end of life, as one of my jobs is in eldercare and i watch how old people are constantly in pain sometimes. but death? death is a friend to all humankind, for all some of us don’t realize it.

It’s fear of dying. Bound to be. Some young adults convert after their first kid is born because the grandparents pressure them and it’s the path of least resistance but middle age to late in life conversion must be fear induced. I’ve been in situations in which I’ve looked death straight down the throat and I’ve never had a conversion moment. I don’t think of myself as especially brave but science has ruled my life from a very early age. Science and evidence. I try to keep an open mind in all things but I’ve never seen or experienced anything to make me believe in gods or demigods.

Hey, Bev! You know there’s that saying about a time for every season and all that. I can get my fill of left wing politics here and certainly I’m not going to change any over all convinctions during a few hour meet up with family. I learned a while ago, that sometimes it’s better to be nice than right. What will matter over a lifetime?

Here in the US of A admitting to ones mistakes is a sign of weakness.

I am thankful for the chance to share some of my holiday with all of you. I feel like I know some of you even though I do much more reading than contributing.

I’m one of the lucky people who have a birthday Thanksgiving week and this was a year that my birthday fell on the holiday. I’ve had MANY pumpkin pies with candles and happy birthday barely legibly scrolled in whipped cream.

I also have the rare and wonderful gift of being born on my Mother’s birthday. She passed away seven years ago and birthdays haven’t quite been the same since but it gets a little easier as time passes.

I also lost my older brother and cooking partner two years ago to complications from diabetes and a lack of health care. Thanksgiving is generally become a personal struggle more than a holiday.

This year, my wife and daughter came to my rescue. They went to great extremes to make me feel more appreciated than I have felt on my birthday since losing my Mom.
My Nichole was supposed to be in New York with her wonderful boy friend of 5 years. She called me from my driveway to wish me happy b-day and then walked in two minutes later. Total surprise, of which they are all so proud because we all live in a world that is micro-managed by me, so surprising me was a big deal to them.

My wife is just a darling and did all of dinner this year except the turkey and stuffing. I am an ex-chef and they wouldn’t have it any other way. Also, everyone else who I care about either called or text me birthday wishes. I have determined that texts are better than cards, more personal and environmentally friendly.

Best b-day I’ve had in years. Best to all of you and here’s hoping that we can do some good as a strong willed progressive force in the coming year.

This thread has taken a very interesting philosophical turn… more contemplative than usual.

I agree…I have similar experience; I think most people get ready to die. That does not mean the people around are ready to let go.

wow CD & miss margaret you guys have definitely thought this through. count me impressed. i too am scientific in background – academic brat, actually.
>> good luck landing that tribal education gig !

Shifting a little bit here. I actually went out to pick something up at Big Lots on Friday, and thought Oh Yikes, I said I wasn’t going shopping today. But, there I was and was browsing around in the 2 for 1 dollar books and found a beautiful book. Vagina Warriors. Black and white photos of incredible women and words of conviction, power and compassion. Will make a great xmas gift for someone. Maybe my daughter or maybe my sister. When I showed it to the mister, he said, Oh, for your mom, right? He keeps me smiling.

Great story…I love the driveway part. Happy Birthday.

When my time comes, I want hospice and acupuncture, which I am convinced might open up a portal for me.

Well put. Tolkien aside, (who was a huge inspiration to my belief system as well), it’s true that we are all designed with a shelf life and years of work and regret and just living add up. I don’t know if our 40 watts of essential energy remains cogent after we die, there is evidence that it does and evidence that it does not. In the end it doesn’t really matter. All we can do is live our lives and try to contribute in our small way to the betterment of everything around us. We are the universe waking up and exploring itself. What more could one want?

Good morning all. I hope everyone had a decent Thanksgiving. Sorry to hear about your mishap Karen.

And much to their credit, the Germans acknowledged the error of their ways AND paid reparations. The US – crickets.

Sounds like a great plan…get your folks on board.

Thanks! I’ve been favoring that tooth… hopefully, my dentist can see me Monday morning.

With the garden finally frozen (just two days ago) and all the tools in the garage, I wish to go and do some rearranging out there. The venerable rakes, digging forks and cultivators get cleaned, oiled and the wooden handles get a light sanding plus two coats of marine grade spar varnish before they are officially retired until spring. They’ll go back on the wall where the heavy brooms and snow shovels are hanging. Important rituals for my enjoyment and peace of mind.

Thanks again for hosting KarenM. Thanks to everyone for being here.

I’m a celiac myself. One side effect is weak teeth and bones. Check with your Dr. on this.

Big Lots doesn’t count, I’m sure. I went to the supermarket for suet since the squirrels raided the last dangling bird treat. Had to leave and come back later, since a couple of wrangling elderly sorts had the checkout tied up horribly. So that proves it, shopping on BFriday is not a good thing.

My family knows already… and they also know: no Catholic institutions for me. Those feeding tubes are the last thing I would want.

What a caretaker…how nice.

margaret: the Hebrew god hates me, he made that clear when i got a lousy grade in my historical hebrew philology class. so yes: i consume bacon, among other reasons because it offends him. take that YHWH! neener neener, and i’ll say and spell your name all i want, and you can’t stop me. ;-)

I’ve been told I don’t have celiac– of course, I was not eating wheat both times they tested my blood for the antibodies– but my teeth have always had problems. Some of it is genetic.

When you’re finished with your tools, I’ve got a whole garage full that need the same treatment. They get hung on nails at the end of the season, but that’s it.

A wonderful example of stewardship, nonquixote!

but,but,but, the Germans are socialists!!!

Be careful! This could happen to you!

How sweet of you to share your happiness with us!

Thank you.

I have this great pin that I ware that says, “Trust the government, ask a whale or an Indian”. However, bypassing the Protestant/Anglo-centric/genocidal origins of this particular holiday, I also had the thought on Thursday that someone should point out the religous right that all Holidays that are American in origin are secular, including Thanksgiving.

If you read the Old Testament, the Hebrew God pretty much hated everyone.

I try to keep an open mind in all things but I’ve never seen or experienced anything to make me believe in gods or demigods.

Not even our own Demi?

I do not think that’s accurate…The Exodus story is about liberation; inspired the speech of MLK. And the Psalms are great literature.

What a great day. How wonderful for you.

Wow. I just put that in a word document. Now that I know what to do, there are no excuses……

Hi all — Happy Saturday

I’m getting ready to close on the house Tuesday, so it was a pleasure to accept my friend, Deby’s, invite as a VERY welcome break from disposing of things.

This was an especially good thanksgiving meal because she and Steve enjoy organic food, shopping for ingredients, trying new recipes and preparing the feast. Deby does not cook; she paid for Steve’s chef training so she wouldn’t have any meal prep to do. Of course, she’s in charge of the dishes, drinks, host duty, etc.

The highlight of the invitation was a carriage ride. She’s the only one in the county that pursues that avocation. We had a good hour tour of several miles including a couple times around an abandoned grass track nearby.

Yes, the entire meal was truely “delicious” and the company entertaing: I learned a lot about horses including training, schools, jumping –including mules “coon jumping.” And, from the mechanic guest, about driving the Viper car at 100-150 on the local parkway as well as some of the more money than sense people that own them. He did give an exception and speak admiringly of an older woman that had a cancer diagnosis that bought, took the included driving school training and put it to good use for several years before passing the Viper on to her son.

Truely a memorable Thanksgiving.

karen

Exactly… and that’s why we can justify rebelling against the OT.

Geez!! I’m glad we’re not such barbarians anymore

What an interesting day you had, karen!

The Vagina Warriors is a paperback, but a large and really good quality one. I also picked up two large coffee table hard backs for $3 dollars a piece. A Day in the Life of the American Woman – How We see Ourselves, with 50 of the World’s Top Women Photographers. More gifts. Hey big spendah! See? There are ways of sharing philosophies without banging anyone on the head with a turkey drumstick.

Perhaps one’s impression of the OT comes from the passages that religious nutcases choose to emphasize, over & over & over again. They’re not big on the part that’s poetry with sexual innuendo.

Mornin’, Karen, pups

Decided I was gonna bake corn muffins Thanxgiver morning. First 2 eggs I broke open were old and stunk up the whole house. Had to go to the store and get fresh free range eggs. Muffins turned out alright but I’m gonna have to find another recipe. Too much oil in those suckers. I used the big muffin tins and they weigh half pound apiece. Baked my regular cornbread as an afterthought in case nobody like the muffins. Linda kept what muffins we didn’t eat and I got to bring my cornbread back home. Great with homemade chili.

Today the crockpot gets brought out. Free range chicken and veggies. I can smell it now. Leftovers for lunch and chickee for dinner.

Did a little cleaning yesterday but spent the rest of the day communing with the tigers. By tiger dinner time even Mojo’d had enough of me.

We’re not? Are you sure? There are plenty of people in this country who would love to do the same to people like cd and myself. Just love to.

yeah, i’ll be stoned alright. but not until later, when my supplier gets the new crop in. oh, wait…

Dragon’s here! Now it’s a party!

Thanks for sharing this

Hilarious!

When my dad was in a convalescent (NOT) home at the end, my older son and I were leaving from a visit to him. I turned to Jack and told me when it gets to be like that for me, load me up with drugs, put me in an old car and push it off a cliff.

Last sip of coffee,

I have a couple of wooden canoe paddles and wooden oars, and canoe sailing, wooden masts (more like thick kite sticks) that all get the same treatment when I have the varnish brush out. I use a minimum of brush cleaner that way.

Peace in our time, thanks for the nice comments.

M: Have you heard anything more about the Willie Nelson story?

What a nice story. Happy Birthday.

(((amghru)))

Nope. Nothing here

Oh, I think The OT has a place in society as an important historical document. The time has long since passed for it to have any other use, imo.

sshhhhhhhhhh!!!

My sister felt that way…she kept calling them the inmates. She got her way; died before my mother. Go figure. I thought my mother actually got very good care.

the thing about the OT that annoys me most is how much of it is stolen from other religious traditions of the region. seriously, the folks who wrote (and rewrote, and changed) it over the years? totally lacking in imagination. my doctoral work is in Sumerian and Assyrian, and there’s this great book we used whenever we’d write one of those comparative studies (“The Context of Scripture”). it details how most of the OT can be more or less directly related to various myths and tales from “pagan” religions in Hittite, Ugaritic, Sumerian, Babylonian and Egptian cultures, just to name a few. whenever i talk about the peoples of the (supposed) times of the OT myths, i like to remind people: it was a really, really minor kingdom. sort of like how when you think of the history of Europe, the first country you *don’t* think of is Luxembourg.

If only that were the only use for it!

I checked online…don’t have a paper; but didn’t see anything.

The Hebrew god was a self loathing closet case.

I’m glad you had such a wonderful B’Earthday!

What’s this about Willie Nelson?

Thanksgiving and such has always intruded on my misanthropic hermithood even since childhood. Gah. So many wonderful visceral memories, times when I gave up and joined in, others where I pushed it all away and chose stark aloneness.

I did ok this time. My wife’s family just up the road. Some of em, esp her daughter, don’t get that she finally came out and I’m here and that’s that, but I’m unobtrusive, respectful even of those who shun me. Most of em are coming around to my excellence, and I to theirs.

I’m glad my own immediate family is either dead or scattered. My parents at peace, my crazy siblings far away and no longer able to damage them or me. My lovely, incredible father no longer driven by Limbaugh-addiction. My mom free of her alcoholism and the brain damage and helplessness.

I turn 58 on Monday. Honestly my daily prayer to the FSM is that I don’t make it to 59. On balance, sick of it all. I’ve had an incredibly fortunate life, esp compared to most fertilized human eggs on this planet. Tons of laughs, loves, good health, good luck, etc.

But I bleed too much for those not as lucky. And this whole cruel idiot species going down the tubes.

K, just some blathering, rising from the therapy couch, off to do something .. oh yes, feed the cats, then walk around the block and notice the trees and sky ..

Is that a text book? sounds very interesting.

oh, is that forbidden here? my bad. my guy is legal and registered with the state as a licensed caregiver. medical mj is legal here, and one of the things i’ve taken to doing is talking about it openly, because of that. it’s nothing to be ashamed of and i think talking about it like the medicine it is for some people is part of how we’ll eventually get to where we should be as a nation, and end the War on (some) Drugs.

i gotta walk my dog. thanks for a wonderful morning discussion, i’ve got to come here more often. be well, everybody!

Why would you feel the need to justify that? Especially if it’s the popular paradigm around here?

There was a blurb here last night that he was arrested (I think) for pot…no other details that I had heard. And don’t know where it happened. Margaret may know more.

Indeed.

Sharkbabe… we welcome the blathering, which probably mirrors our own thoughts.

oh, is that forbidden here?

LMAO! Oh, not even. :-D

‘Country music superstar Willie Nelson was arrested Friday morning for allegedly having about 6 ounces of marijuana after his tour bus was stopped at the Border Patrol checkpoint in Sierra Blanca, about 85 miles east of El Paso.’
http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_16717769

That should prolly have been a sshhh with a big *g*.

Time for work. Have a good day everyone.

Not here… but out there!

sorry for double post cannot delete this.

Was getting datatbase error, please try again. Sharkbabe, 58 is great, ask someone who knows.

Owe ya one.

a very expensive, very scholarly book, yes. i think it’s about 300$ used on amazon. it’s also pretty hard to use if you don’t understand or speak a lot of the ancient languages. still, i’m sure anyone interested in the topic could learn from it and enjoy it, with a little work. check it out of a university library, tho. i paid 500$ for my copy, back in the day when it was new.

now i’m really outta here.

Don’t forget to pace yourself today!

I’m sure it depends on the facility. I’m so glad your mother had good care.

Modern Christianity co-opted many different pagan ceremonies, myths and legends and wove them into what we call Christianity. Christmas Easter,St Johns day and others were all pagan “holidays”

Have you read Bloom’s Book of J? I read it years ago, thought it was interesting, though far from convincing. Anyhoo, was at a dinner party shortly after, where one of the guests taught religion at Yale about it. Couldn’t get a straight A to any of my simple minded straightforward Qs, like was the extraction of the J material controversial or commonly accepted. So after about 3-4 tries, I gave up.

Turns out I had stepped right into the middle of an academic feud (the worst kind). The other dinner guest was a rival of Bloom’s and jealous of his popular success. Our mutual friend, the hostess, knew this. I asked her why she didn’t stop me from innocently getting in the middle. “Because I was having such a good time watching the two of you” was her answer. I found it pretty funny after the fact too.

I hope we’ll see you again next week!

6 oz is “intent to distribute” and that’ll get you hard time deep in the hear of TX. still, here’s betting that Willie beats the rap, or just pays a hefty fine. he’s not tommy chong (DFH) after all.

Again? Willie seems to have a penchant for gettin’ arrested for weed.

Y tu tambien, con las aceitunas.

Or a giant wink.

Thanks for stopping by.

Ps here in Mass we have decriminalization on our side,medical weed shouldn’t be too far behind

I’m a bit older than you. I have no strong thoughts on whether I reach my next bday or not, but definitely don’t want to live to a ‘ripe old age.’ My sil is 87, and while still mostly mobile & mentally with it, it’s sad to see her gradual physical deterioration. She’s not enjoying it either.

Thank you…I am glad I can think of it that way as well. I really hated the way my sister talked about it;I think she was aghast that she may have ended up in any such place.

It’s been nice talking with y’all, but it’s time to get moving.
I hope everyone has a great day.
Bye now!

Glad to see you…sounds like you had a nice T’day. It’s gotten cooler here, and Angela parked on me most of the night..;) She definitly has her preference for which side of the bed.

What’s everyone having for breakfast today? I’m trying to decide between my usual oatmeal and poached eggs.

Bev, there’s a dvd course on the OT, taught by Amy-Jill Levine who’s a professor at Vanderbilt University. It’s a 24 class course and it is fascinating. She talks a lot about the J, M and P writers and how the stories were mirrors of the stories in the cultures of the surrounding tribes and peoples. The course is is part of The Great Courses. You can google that.

Have a great day, billybugs!

Sorry about the tooth Karen! That’s the pits.

Re: Willie

I was told that he was near the Mexican border, and was at a checkpoint. Supposedly, dogs smelled pot, and he was arrested, given a misdemeanor, and a bail or bond of $2500 which he paid and went on his way.

The border towns are a mess. There is a very violent drug war going on down there, and even towns just across the border in Mexico are being abandoned…grenades, etc…so people are very on edge. I guess if you see Willie’s bus, you figure there’s probably something on it other than coffee and tea ;) Also, the little towns make chump change on the bond money..

Thank you to everyone who dropped by this morning… I loved the contemplative turn the conversation took. …and I hope you all have a wonderful day!

More like brunch now. Couple sunny side up with a side of cornbread and chili.

Thanks for the sympathy, Isis!

Thanks….I mostly tried to ignore most of the J/P stuff…I made a note.

Now that sounds like a great post-Thanksgiving meal, SD!

Heh we’re back in shorts. Had to get out from under the afghan. Tama put a hole in my almost brand new water mattress. Everybody else except Nagi back to sleeping out in the living room.

You should check it out. It orginally cost $399, but we got it for 39.99.

Mmmm….no cornbread, but pasta with chili and a poached egg on top is delish.

Thanks for the thread…you do a good job. Good luck with the tooth…yuk. Reminds me….here in Austin there is an old BarBQ spot that says: Dont need no teeth to eat our beef….Yep, tacky…Been around forever. Take care.

So much adventure.Angela is going after the mouse again. Enjoy the warm; sounds great.

I’ve got one of those on the history of the Bible with Prof. Bart D. Ehrman of UNC Chapel Hill.

I think you had pointed me to The Great Courses a long time ago when we got into a discussion on Religion and Philosophy.
I find that most folks here are curious, contemplative and critical thinkers. Well, at least to some extent. :)

I get a catalog now every couple weeks. I only do the downloadable courses. DVD’s are usually too expensive for my budget.

You two, Demi & SD, enjoy your day. I sure better start doing something; and it is s’posed to warm up a bit. Cheers.

I have a smattering of Lakota somewhere in me, and while the Lakota are ticked at the Euros, they are equally if not more ticked at the Anishinaabe (or Ojibwa/Chippewa), who, when newly equipped with guns, kicked them out of their woodland homes in the 18th centuries.

Among the tribes that fared best against the people with guns were the Akwesasne or Mohawk, which played the governments of the UK and later Canada against the US. (It’s also a tribe where women such as Molly Brant had and have prominent roles.)

Off to my day. And, also, people who know me here know that I don’t push my beliefs on anyone else. I’m not an evangelist. To each his own. Walk for two moons in another’s moccasins and all that.
I hope everyone has a good, if not great day. :)

I often have pasta with poached eggs. It is what passes for comfort food for me, since I can’t eat mac and cheese any more.

Same to you, demi… have a wonderful day!

Yeah, I gotta get my butt in gear too. I had planned to do the tiger food store routine yesterday then remembered what day it was and PetsMart is in the same location as a Wal-Mart. Told meself I needed to have me head examined if I went there. Now I get to do the usual Friday routine today. I remember goin’ to the grocery store (A & P) on Sat with gramma these many moons ago.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things

Namaste

I didn’t realize how much native American dna we had in these threads… must account for the compassion and contemplativeness.

I hope your tiger shopping expedition is successful, SD! Have a great day!

See you next week, RevBev!

I love poached eggs.

I don’t think it will be a difficult repair… I’m just trying not to make it worse. Fortunately, I have some minimal dental insurance. Doesn’t pay much, but it helps.

Heh, never can tell. Might come home with another tiger. *g* Oh, lordy.

Poached is, without a doubt, my favorite way to eat eggs. And, I never use vinegar. Julia Child said you only had to use a wooden spoon to gather up the whites around the egg. Always works for me.

I am not gonna say anything about your first sentence. *g* LMAO

I have to get something to eat. Thankfully, Paul did not like the pumpkin pie as much as I did… so, the rest of it is mine. All mine!

I know… I caught it and fixed it.

I’m having a piece of pumpkin pie right now. Eggs or oatmeal will come later.

GM, Karen M and anyone still around. I am late, seems to be the way for me lately. Oh well. Sorry for the tooth. I have my share of crowns, broke both of my front teeth when I got thrown off a horse as a teen. So I have lived with this a long time. And I have not such good teeth, my brother has celiac and we were discussing the use of Fosamax at Thursday dinner.

I really insisted we have a gluten free meal, so we had wild rice stuffing (which had nuts, good for the vegetarians). I also made a pumpkin pie with the all purpose GF flour mix. I was disappointed I did not try to make a fluted edge or something, as it really was quite tasty. I added a little of the GF cornbread mix, and I think the corn added a nice texture and flavor. My brother and SIL really appreciated the GF intention. I think it was a first for them. I loved it that my whole family was together, first time since my father’s memorial almost 2 years ago.

On the last thread of this thread, I am a caregiver for Little Momma who is going to be 89 soon enough. I have told everyone that I do not want to live like LM. Pills (which LM says she would like) would be my preference. Dementia is no fun for anyone, and health issues also suck. LM is lucky, but I have no children, so there will be no caregiver for me. I think death is a gift in many ways. It is the living that is not so wonderful sometimes.

bgrothus:

How lovely that you insisted on a GF dinner for your brother’s sake. That doesn’t happen in my family, because it would alter the taste of the food. So, I take a few extra sides.

As for the fluted edge, I doubt that a GF crust would have held one. They do crumble easily, but this one tastes pretty good, I admit.

I haven’t found much about the aging process to enjoy, either.

Ouch!! Sorry about your chipped tooth, KarenM. It’s especially inconvenient to have it happen on a holiday, right before dinner. Glad you were able to make the best of the situation and enjoy your Thanksgiving in spite of what happened. It sounds like your daughter’s pumpkin pie was delicious! Right on!

Thanks, mplo! Hopefully, it won’t be a difficult fix.