this is not the result of stupidity, or thick headed “conventional wisdom”. It is insolence. They hear what they are being told, but they believe none of that matters, that we are lab rats they can control with media buys and propganda. and most of the time they are right!

I begin to wonder if they are just incapable of even entertaining the idea that they might have it wrong.

I got the message. The Democrats sold us out going for a piece of the citizens united pie. Message received.

Messaging smesheging my fucking ass! They lost because they didn’t to the people wanted and needed like the public option and real finance reform not this namby pamby piece of shit they passed where the Banker’s get huge bonuses for pushing the economy into recession. And also they caved to the dfucking minority without ever making them actually conduct a filibuster. And that is just the short list!!

When the politics suck, it’s hard to have a reasonable message

Yeah, the fact that the Dems have been dicking around for four years can’t have anything to do with it…

Fuck WHERE IS MY EDIT???

I’ve always marveled at the arrogance required for someone to dismiss another person’s subjective point of view. For example:
Al Quaeda: “We attacked because you are helping Zionists in their crusade against the Palestinian people and your occupation of Muslim holy lands.”
United States: “No, you did it because you hate our freedom!”

WTF?

I guess if you consider an inability to sell ginger ale to Chris Hitchens “poor messaging”, they might have a point.

I think poor messaging did make matters worse, but that would not have mattered if the policies had been more robust and effective. The Dims (sic) pissed off their base without winning any converts from the other side.

Idiots.

I would suggest that you’re being much too charitable here, BT. I would try to help, but the Mods would whack me out. heh…

That these idiots can’t grasp something this obvious isn’t exactly a confidence builder.

I’m going to go ahead and self-moderate here.

“…that we are lab rats they can control with media buys and propaganda…”

That should read, ” We are lab rats the republicans can control with media buys and propaganda…”

The Democrats just plain suck at it and show no hope of improvement.

Wow, that poll on healthcare might say it all. Democrats passed a bill that 65% say will make them and their families Worse off or Not much
difference.

Indeed. What they were articulating was “we suck less”, while what they were demonstrating is “there’s no difference between us and them”. Neither of those messages were what their own voters wanted to hear, much less the wobbly ones.

Calling everyone and his brother a racist was also not such a great idea. Obama Democrats seem to think this is a brilliant tactic. I would bet my vast fortune no one ever won a single vote by calling people racists.

What’s funny is that they bought into Citizens United knowing full well that they would wind up with a dainty slice. And now they’re perplexed. Idiots.

Don’t kid yourself. They know they lost the election because they caved to the Republican threats to filibuster, passed an abhorrent healthcare bill and lost the trust of the people. They know it. They’re probably admitting it to one another in whispers, but they certainly aren’t telling us that. They know they shouldn’t have marched in lockstep behind Obama. They know they’d better figure out how distance themselves from Barack Reagan, or they’re out on their asses in a less than a couple of years, and then who will support their lavish lifestyles? Courage, Dems! Ha! As if they had any. What a worthless bunch, sitting on their fat, wrinkly asses, mooching off the Americans they impoverished.

The Dims (sic) pissed off their base without winning any converts from the other side.

With the Rahm Emanuel, Tim Kaine, Harry Reid triumverate, they never had a chance.

What’s funnier is that any reasonable person could have told them what the result would be.

Perfect.

The government has a vested interest in lying about why the terrorists attacked. It is to preserve a foreign policy strategy that works against the interests of the vast majority of the American people, but serves special interests and the megalomania of the politicians and the neoconservative policy makers.

The problem is that the Dems have a poorly performing product that their marketing can’t overcome. And, as always, they’re blaming the messenger, i.e., the professional left.

Reason can’t penetrate the bubble they’re in.

The problem is that the Dems have a poorly performing product that their marketing can’t overcome. And, as always, they’re blaming the messenger, i.e., “the professional left.”

It’s not the idea so much but what the Democrats allowed to happen to a very good idea. It was watered down, demonized and eventually turned into an enormous taxpayer subsidized welfare program for private insurers. No we HAVE to buy a shitty product that won;t function as advertised or be penalized. In return, we throw money at state insurance boards to “monitor compliance”. You know, those boards that are overwhelmingly staffed with insurance company allies and executives.

And that’s not the only example.

Apparently Wolverines adamantium claws can’t even do that.

You are spot on! The idea that they have just done a poor job of communicating their policies, is one of the most frustrating things I continue to hear. I swear I can’t turn on the television without a rich democratic pundit tell me how stupid we are because we just don’t understand how great this legislation has been.

Gosh if we just understood how being forced to buy some shitty private insurance is really in our best interest, or that passing “stimulus” spending that sends a large chunk of it out of our country is a good thing.

I am just wondering if there will ever be another political party in this country that will support the middle class. I am beginning to doubt it because countries usually trend more conservative until a complete break down. i.e. Iceland

Maybe not, but some folks get a lot of political mileage flinging the N word.

not my party

not anymore

If you can’t even think about certain topics Cognitive Dissonance then the mind explains away the void in their thoughts poor messaging is their attempt to fill the void.
The Dems are so Right they can’t even think that we are Right on the issues.

I am just wondering if there will ever be another political party in this country that will support the middle class. I am beginning to doubt it because countries usually trend more conservative until a complete break down. i.e. Iceland.

The only thing I’m reasonably certain of is that things are going to get WAY worse before they begin to get better. I’ve been unemployed almost two years and I used to have people backing up truck loads of money to my door unsolicited trying to hire me. Now I can’t beg a part time gig for an eighth what I used to make. WTF is up with that?

Apologies for the o/t, and I don’t mean to jack the thread, but I thought this little comic tidbit was good enough to pass along…

Yeah, we just aren’t getting the message. Probably the end of the Democratic party in 2012. Oh well. The world needs ditch diggers, too.

The Left has been Right on the issues for years No WMD, No link between Saadam and Ossama, Tax cuts during a war are bad for the economy, Terry Schiavo was brain dead.
The Dems just don’t believe that we were right.

What if I told you BUSH CHENEY never left DC in 2008. (all war is base on Deception SUN TZU)

OBAMA = BUSH CHENEY III

“Charles Baudelaire quipped that the devil wins at the point where he manages convince the world that he doesn’t exist. Today’s financial elites will win the class war at the point where voters believe it doesn’t exist – and believe that Mr. Obama is trying to help them rather than shepherd them into debt peonage as the economy settles into debt deflation.”

Calling them idiots is the easy way out, they know exactly what they are doing. We must all grasp our hands around the idea that this is intentional.

I saw that earlier. I’ll bet he gets a slap on the wrist, if that. I hope she sues his bully ass.

I hate to agree with Blue Texan on anything as it makes me look paranoid and uninformed, but he’s right on this one.

The Dems seem to believe the same thing the GOP believes the Dems seem to think they need to humor us.

Why do you feel such a compulsion to be a jerk? If you don’t like a thread’s author, then by all means, don’t subject yourself to it’s content and please don’t subject the rest of us to your slander.

The Dem message is the GOP message the problem is voters know that the message is wrong but we can’t change the message.

I agree with the emotion, but have to disagree with one small part: I don’t think that many Democrats in DC even realize what they’ve done or how deeply they’re in the doodoo.

They are still the vapid clueless politicians they always were. They will continue posturing the wrong way, writing stern letters that ultimately amount to nothing, saying what they think will garner votes, etc. In 2012, I fully expect another right-wing wave. It sucks!

And another thing: It isn’t BT making you look uninformed. Just FYI.

Pretty funny. His attorney claims Profitt was justified by doing the soft-shoe on the lady’s head.

Your Honor, I was justified in shooting my old lady because she just wouldn’t shut up.

Give examples where BT has been wrong on the facts.

I think either way it’s moot. Intentionally or otherwise, only the Democrats could manage to lose to the party that is more unpopular than them. It’s either the height of accomplishment or the depth of failure. The distinction is lost.

I would like to see her clean him out for everything he has, and then attach everything he’ll ever make in the future.

That would be sweet.

We see the same way on this one, Blue Texan. There’s a one line summary of the problem that’s just waiting for someone to grab hold of and run with:

When you’re not in power, messaging counts. When you’re in power, results are what count.

That’s probably too many syllables for the people who think this is about messaging, but that’s a message they should start internalizing at the DNC.

With all his whining, I’m surprised he doesn’t sue her for hurting his poor little foot….

Gawd, the myopic stupidity that further pollutes the vast shallow pool pf avarice and ruthlessness that comprises the US government. The policy is wildly unpopular? Obviously, what is needed is a new ad campaign. They attacked us because the hate our policies? Nah, it’s because they hate our freedom. Freedom, you say? What’s that? Freesom from want, from exploitation, from subversion, from tyranny, from surveillance, from the simmering fear of the secret police?
No. by freedom, we mean the freedom to consume whatever government-approved products you wish, in as great a quantity as you can.The rest of that stuff is okay.
Oh.

America has a choice the Dems and GOP can continue with their Ponzi scheme economy the Ponzi scheme like all Ponzi will fail.
Or we can organize and get the Dems and GOP out of office Progressive Dems are the people we need.

But if you listen to Republican leadership, they’ll say Democrats in general, and Obama in particular are too far left for average America, and too far right for their own base.

No win.

Right? Airplanes falling out of the sky due to a specific engine failure? Let’s just tell everybody what a low percentage of the overall fleet it is, rather than fixing the problem.

Advertising jokes about how a Million dollar ad buy to launch a new dog food failed because the dogs did not like the food come to mind when I read this post.
The Dems spent big on Ads they had Obama give speeches people heard the message the problem is the message was about the accomplishments of the Obama administration and that is all kinds of blurry.
The Dems want to blame the message not getting out when the real problem is the message had nothing to say.

They’ve allowed the Republicans to box them in nicely, haven’t they? This is why more than “messaging” is needed. You can argue with words or semantics. It’s much harder to argue with results.

“Too far left” to this pack of fools and criminals means just outside of the mental hospital they live in…but (these days) not by very much.

Why would I listen to them? I don’t ask that question out of disrespect for the GOP. It’s just so obvious that they’re the party of the right. Why wouldn’t they say the Democrats are too far left, assuming they’re not sitting on each others’ laps?

True but if Obama were to actually do what voters wanted like create jobs, save homes and end the wars who would care what the GOP said?

The media reported “FU the Left – they have no place to go” pretty much somes up the WH message to the base – I don’t see how it could have been made more clear.

But telling folks you gave up the public option for some election campaign help might have been said with a little less pride in his voice – especially that part about his excellent con-job via speeches in favor of the public option months after he had sold it out to the insurance companies.

Now the Obama message that he has no position on keeping his promise to not extend tax cuts for the rich, and will wait for a consensus to develop in the Democratic Party and in Congress seems quite clear.

As Carville notes http://www.wwl.com/Carville-refuses-to-apologize-over–balls–comment/8612341 he is what he is – and he is no Hillary. Message received loud and clear.

I don’t ask that question out of disrespect for the GOP.

I do. Both major parties are entirely unworthy of my respect.

Although I deplore the obvious sexist overtones of that comment, Carville went up quite a bit in my esteem when he said that. It’s past time somebody that these jokers listen to said it.

The Repugnants are very good at getting results because there is nothing they won’t do to win, no matter how fictitious or dirty.

The GOP should worry they know that the Media is really a Right Wing Propaganda Machine however less and less people watch the increasingly fact free media.
Newsweek sold for a $1 recently the company not the magazine, NewsPapers are going bankrupt
The GOP can’t control the message if the young are watching the Daily Show for their news.
The GOP can’t control the message if DS viewers are more informed than Fox News Viewers.
The GOP can’t control the message if their audience is dying and Fox keeps arguing against healthcare.

you can’t have a messaging problem if you don’t have a message. messaging’s easy on the trail. it’s slightly more difficult when your political opponents are advocating policies and positions that you and your team feel more comfortable with than the copy written by the people you employ to get the good word out.

Propaganda is important, but policies must show tangible results.
The idea is that one can create a perceived reality that can be then substituted for objective conditions and the public will not figure it out only works as long as bread and circuses are cheap and plentiful. Multiplying circuses to compensate for dwindling bread is not a viable policy.

Our corporate overlords, in their many guises – this time posuering as “politicians” – continue to play the victim/blame card for their Kabuki show failures. It’s just like the Big 3 Detroit automakers, who “blamed” the failure to sell US-made cars, which were crappy planned obsolescent poorly designed sh*tmobilies (mostly), on “poor marketing.” They really did, until YOU & I, the US taxpayer, *bailed them out.* I still have very mixed emotions about that (but am glad some US workers kept their jobs).

This is just more Dim Kabuki show, folks, imo. The Dims know exactly what they’re doing… as they hold out their hands for, as Margaret said (I think), some of the sweetly delicious Citizens United pie.

Won’t get fooled again.

God the Democrats are so bad, I can’t wait until 2012 when Palin is president and that worthless Obama is kicked to the curb and McConnell gets to take over the Senate and that worthless Harry Reid is out on his keister. I just can’t wait…

Yep. The 3-ring circus continues apace, but the bread’s pretty thin on the ground these days. yep.

Again, it’s very hard to argue with results. If Obama and the Democrats had passed a real stimulus bill that would have actually created jobs, the Republicans would have lost badly this cycle, regardless of how ugly the “process” was. The Dems just make it too easy.

I doubt it’ll make much difference. Sarah Palin is a creature of the overlords who run her, and they’re the same overlords who run Obama.

David Koch: I’m looking at you.

Their signature achievement manages to hit the sweet spot of being able to be demonized to the right as “zomg big guverment”, viewed correct by the f***ing r**ards as corporate welfare, what little it does to help the poors doesn’t happen until 2014, and in the meantime, premiums are skyrocketing, employees are being dropped by their employers from health coverage, and there is no end in sight to the increasing costs.

They literally couldn’t have handed the Republicans a better electoral gift than if they agreed they’d only campaign wearing traditional muslim attire for redneck America.

We, here at FDL, KNEW it would be a disaster. No one would listen.

And no one is going to vote for “slightly more moderate and sane corporatists”. There is no market for that product.

No…that’s just what their press releases have to say.

They know they screwed us over. They don’t care that they are screwed us over.

Most of the people keep falling for their bullshit no matter how many catch them lying to them.

Yeah….because that will be sooooooooooooo much better……..

Apparently not, the GOP gave us nothing but bad, indeed horrible, results the last time they were in power and now, after just two short years, they’re back. Explain that.

But that’s not what the Kochs, the Murdochs & Jabba Aisles wanted, so that’s why we serfs didn’t get those things.

More money for zillionaires is the only game in town these days. Until the sheeples (of whatever pol persausion) wake up to this reality, the giant ponzi scheme will continue. And we’ll get to hear about Glenn Beck & Jabba the Aisles calling everyone a Nazi. It’s the latest fad.

They do have a messaging problem, they are too stupid to get that I didn’t vote for them not because they did too much but because everything they did was to continue Bush/cheney policy. I fail to see any daylight between the previous administration and this one.

We, here at FDL, KNEW it would be a disaster. No one would listen.

Of course not. We’re the “dirty fucking hippies” who are “fucking morons” and need to be “drug tested”.

But that’s not what the Kochs, the Murdochs & Jabba Aisles wanted, so that’s why we serfs didn’t get those things.

I’m hip. :(

They know they screwed us over. They don’t care that they are screwed us over.

Ding, ding, ding… cue the Kabuki show!

The media reported “FU the Left – they have no place to go” pretty much somes up the WH message to the base

We got them back how many Blue Dog Dems lost this year because in a close race ( and Blue Dogs tend to be in purple districts ) if even 1-5% of the voters stay home then the Blue Dog looses.
I don’t know the Lefty blogs actual numbers but I’m pretty sure we are at lest 1% of the nation.
Pissing us off cost the Blue Dogs big another election like the last and the Blue dogs won’t be a factor at all.

Indeed. sucks, though.

The Dems just make it too easy.

A good stimulus bill and a real solution to the bank/mortgage catastrophe.

Yup, the Demos make it way too easy. Just surreal…

No… we gotta field a real Progressive and beat Obama in the primary.

I agree with Margaret. Repubs aren’t going to fix the budget, add jobs or curb spending. They’re just going to give us more Bush doctrine…in bigger doses. They won because of voter apathy and because they’re consumate liars.

That’s a great way to look at it. Their problem isn’t us receiving the outgoing messages, it’s them not receiving the incoming ones. Well put.

Basically, the efforts of Democrats at messaging can be reduced to trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, and lacking a molehill with which to begin.

We can Primary Obama

I fail to see any daylight between the previous administration and this one.

Quite. There is NONE, or if there is any difference, it’s that Obamaco went even further hard right than Bushco, imo.

Dennis Kucinich ’12

Well, it’s time for my workout. Neither party has wanted to take that away from me yet, though I suspect it’s only a matter of time.
Be well all.

Have fun and be careful…

They won’t take it away from you-they’ll put it to work in the service of the Party.

True, but in this case, there is really no need to have that opinion to see the point.

They were the other party. There’s really no more explanation necessary. They were turned out in 2008 because they failed. If there were another alternative that had a chance of winning, they probably would have won, or at least would have done well enough to form a coalition.

I’d have to comment though, that anyone who thought they were making a valid statement by abstaining or voting Repub was doing him/her self a disservice. The Conservatives will frack things up with far better efficiency than the Dems ever could. Voting Repub is like inviting the wolf into the hen house.

Nah, they won’t take that away from you, they’ll just want to take naked pictures &/or feel you up before and after to make sure you are in fact working out and are not a terrorist scoping out the place ; )

In part it is a failure of “messaging”. The failure or blatant ignoring of the message from citizens.

Since we now live in a plutocracy, now more than ever, we need a political party for the citizens. The “Blue Dog Democrats” and corporate DLC Democrats such as the President have shown repeatedly that they do NOT represent citizens first. I have stopped believing anything the politicians say and their “message” and instead evaluate the actual policies, bills, and concrete actions and the repercussions.

In reality, I think that either would have done. A real stimulus would have had the best chance of working, but real financial reform would have helped move wealth away from the financiers and toward the rest of us.

For that matter, if real health care reform had been passed, and we were starting to see the results now, rather than in 2014, the Democrats would have done better.

Results mattered, and the Democrats didn’t deliver.

David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: Tax Cut Votes Symbolic; Much Gridlock and Bargaining Expected

Jesus, stop it with the “let’s elect better progressives” BS. If it were possible it would have happened already. And if we ever did get people that weren’t corporate puppets installed one of two things would happen:

1. They would be co-opted by the economic elite

or

2. Sniffing the threat to the status quo, the economic elite would throw billions of dollars, all their media might, and everything else at such a movement and strangle it in the crib. We wouldn’t even get close.

Pretending that these problems can be solved by electoral politics is denial of the highest order. Look around. No one’s on our side, and anyone that is or would be is bought off or silenced.

So apparently, the reason the Democrats got their asses kicked a few weeks ago was people just didn’t know what a fantastic job Ben Nelson’s been doing.

That is just classic, Blue Texan! One of the best lines I’ve heard on FDL, and there’s no lack of competition here.

You know I think this is just a diversionary press release, while in the back room they were yucking it up about such and such Bluedog, who was thrown out on his ear, pulling down a lobbying gig for twice his former pay.

See the congress is the lobbyist farm system for developing total sell out talent.

Voting Repub is like inviting the wolf into the hen house.

Claiming they’re going to make you a “tuna surprise”.

Time to Primary Obama (R) off the Dem ticket in 2012.

How about Feingold/Grayson 2012. Two honest progressives.

The best PR ever is the word -of -mouth of the satisfied customer.

Looks like a LOT of dissatisfied customers for the “Dimocrat” products.

2. Sniffing the threat to the status quo, the economic elite would throw billions of dollars, all their media might, and everything else at such a movement and strangle it in the crib. We wouldn’t even get close.

Apparently you didn’t hear about Soros’ pronunciations and communications from yesterday. I think it’s widely been interpreted as he knows there’s a need to abandon our pursuit of the personality cult and found a movement on the left to work toward policy goals. I think he means it. I didn’t get a chance to see the whole segment from the Daily Show, but I’m heading over there now. Must see TV and all that jazz, you know.

Me, too. Major corps and small start-ups used to come, hat in hand.

Got hardware? You might need me to make it work. Got a network? You might need me to manage it. And then there was the music biz I could always count on to separate me from a couple of grand a year — oops — I mean, help me make a quick buck.

Since Dec., 2007 I’m a freebie sysadmin for a friend. A couple of months ago I started a social networking project for that ephemeral thing called equity. But income?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Chortle! Chuckle. Ha ha. Whew! [Wipes tears] Snicker.

That was a good one.

Part of my freebie work is I maintain one of the more popular sites on the internet – a major one in India. I’ve gotten to know the owner through chats and email.

He informs me he owns a house and a condo, drives his car, enjoys his cell phone, owns computers, upgrades his hardware – on about $8000 per year.

$8000 per year.

That’s why we have no jobs to speak of. The land owners, manufacturers and retailers charge us a small fortune for what he can possess for a pittance there. We must earn significantly more than the typical Indian to afford to live in this country.

He, on the other hand, is living a middle-class lifestyle in India on $8000 per year.

That won’t rent you a corner of someone’s garage in any urban area here in California, let alone buy a house, a condo, a car, a cell phone, a computer and pay for the monthly cost of each.

You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
You may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
You may ask yourself, “Well, how did I get here?”

Well, how did we get here?

We couldn’t compete with foreign manufacturers back in 1970, and politicians fretted. They blamed lazy workers who didn’t produce enough. They blamed schools for not turning out more efficient workers. They blamed our inferior products compared with those manufactured by Europeans and Japanese. Unions had raised the standard of living for millions of Americans, but the price was high. The cost of goods and services had risen above what could be gotten in an international marketplace. And that’s where the money was.

There are billions of people in India and China. We couldn’t possibly compete either as workers or, ultimately, consumers.

We didn’t want Philco television sets back then. We wanted Sony products, instead. We didn’t want a Ford. We wanted a Toyota or a Mercedes or an Audi. During a spell of inflation, I recall people angrily demanding we “buy American.”

Land value continued to rise.
Cost of goods continued to rise.
Cost of services continued to rise.

So here we are. Unable to afford a home; unable to afford to eat. We’ve priced ourselves out of the international marketplace our politicians decided was where we ought to be. How in the heck do we get out of here?

Land value must drop.
Cost of goods must drop.
Cost of services must drop.

It’s not that we can’t have a middle class. We can’t have a middle class in today’s economy and expect them to live in $500,000 homes. Or $250,000 ones. Or $100.000 ones. More like $10,000 homes, furnished.

My parents bought what remains the family home new in the mid-60′s for $35,000, and was the show house for the tract, which means it has some features not found in other houses here (like a never-used barbecue pit in the back yard, for example – the builder went for a Polynesian look in the back yard). The smaller house across the street, with a smaller lot, was put on the market recently. Granted, they’ve done about $25,000 worth of upgrades. It was around $25,000 – $30,000 when it sold new. It’s listed for over $1,000,000.

$8000 seems close to the amount I spent on food for my son to ravenously devour each month once he entered adolescence.

Think about that number, $8000. In India, companies are outsourcing labor to China because $8000/year seems too much to pay for some workers. Until we address the ongoing, nowhere-near-the-bottom, landslide of an economic collapse we’re undergoing, there will be no relief. Wages will not rise across the board until we hit the bottom.

If the Fed screws up and raises interest rates before then, or the IMF (or any other major creditor) demands austerity measures (as I suspect some already have), we’re in for a horrible, long-lasting depression.

Ignoring the alternative, the only apparent way out of this pool is the drain hole we’re circling, down at the very bottom.

Of course, the alternative is to leap out of the pool; to make a break from capitalism ala Chavez, nationalizing recalcitrant vital industry and services, thumbing our noses at our creditors.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Why thank you, vagreen. Thankyouverymuch.

That’s a ticket I’d be happy to vote for. Don’t think we’ll see it, though.

I don’t know how they’ll break through the media’s iron curtain. Even Kucinich, who was still a viable candidate, was unceremoniously dropped from the primary debates by a television network. I forget which one. Was it ABC?

Grass-roots, perhaps. The onslaught of $$$ in opposition to true progressives would be daunting, to say the least. I’m happy to hear Soros thinks he should break from Obama in some ways. I’m amused to learn there is a connection between him and Glenn Beck. I’m very saddened that it’s billionaires vs billionaires debating our future.

Has Kucinich settled his debts from his last presidential run? Has Hillary? Who can afford this insanity?

Actually, on individual issues, most Americans are what the M$M pundits would call “center-left” if not out and out “left.” While I think the real dividing lines are horizontal, ie upper, middle, lower, etc., the Republicans are just dead wrong. The problem is, the national Democrats aren’t that much different from the Republicans, which is why 20 million fewer people voted in 2010 than in 2008, which is why the Democrats lost.

Republican voters did not turn out in greater numbers, they are a shrinking minority after all, but fewer Democratic voters did because they were convinced there was not enough real difference to justify their voting.

They were right, too. The Republicans will feel the wrath of an angry public in two years, and the pundits will go on about a Democratic tide as nonexistent as the Republican one was this year.

Voting D or R is not the problem. You are not seeing the forest for the trees. What has Obama and the dems done that was a lefty policy. We got bob frikin dole healthcare. I will repeat my comment above. I fail to see any daylight between the current adminstration and the previous one.

Meet the new boss, Pelosi-Reid-Obama, same as the old boss.

One of the first leadership teams in history to piss off both sides of the table and leave the middle barely tolerating them.

In politics, that is HARD to do. It is easy to piss off one side or the other, but to piss off both sides takes a lot of talent.

I know they said Obama was brilliant, but I didn’t know how brilliant until recently.

Just proves both leaderships are clueless.

What’s the difference between Bud Light and Miller Lite, McDonalds and Burger King, Fox and CNN? Marketing.
And a really good TV ad, however substanceless, can win an election. Your body can’t tell which brand of weak rice grain sody-pop you just poured into it. Which brand it was only matters to Bud and Miller. And for that they rely on marketing.

As long as most members of congress primarily meet the desires of those who provide them with the millions they need for campaigning, what difference is left other than brand loyalty and marketing?

I’d like to see that as well. Hope I can catch it in a youtube or something.

On another note related to Soros, if anyone’s going to be in touch with him, could they please let him know OldFatGuy hasn’t gotten his check in, oh, well actually forever.

Thx.

I disagree – nothing changes until the Democrats listen to the base. And Obama 1 is to the right of Bush 2 to date – welfare checks for insurance companies does not impress me. I doubt a GOP Pres could be or would be further under the control of the rich and corporate than Obama currently shows himself to be.

I do agree re the lower level offices – I was planning to sit out the election in 2010 in protest, but they are good folks that I know and the GOP alternative is much worse.

It is at the Presidential level that we have a problem – I can’t bring myself to vote GOP for Pres but I sure as hell can send a message that “FU the left, the base has no where else to go” was wrong – we can stay home.

It’s called denial. The Administration and Congress, with few exceptions, are too full of themselves to hear peoples’ pain and to actually act on our behalf.

Bunch of idiots.

It has been obvious since Day 1 that Obama and his team just don’t get those who support him

Rather than going 100% forward with his views, he prefers fumbling around and trying to get right-wing support all the while wasting time

Such a pathetic way to go about MAJOR ISSUES

Aious, I agree with your first sentence; however, I have no idea what Obama’s views are. Apparently most people on FDL are in harmony.

I saw Michael Moore’s documentary on “capitalism”, and he failed to identify what destroyed “The American Dream” for the working man. Either he is dumb, or in denial. “Racism” destroyed the American dream for the working man. It’s “siren song” seduced union members into voting Republican.

“I am a white man”. “The white man’s burden”. Those two statements conjure up images of “Mississippi and South Africa”. “I am Caucasian”, does not conjure up the same images.

We have to become “Caucasians”. We are fighting for our lives, make no mistake about it. The left must become unified based on ideology and nothing else. Our “ideology” is the “only” viable one for the lower middle class, the working class and the unions. Any kind of racial deviciveness will destroy us.

I believe it is time to quit complaining about Obama, and find a candidate we can get behind. Dennis Kucinich expresses my views.