Put Cantor in a prison cell right next to Jonathan Pollard.

Amen, Brother BT, Amen.

No government can serve two masters. When Schumer openly advocated for Israel’s right to murder American citizens (and one from his very state from the ill-fated Mavi Mamara), HE should’ve been impeached. When Jon Stewart sided with Israel on this issue and then ignored the U.N. report which confirmed the Mavi Mamara’s POV of IDF brutality, HE should have been boycotted by everyone. Israel openly spies on the U.S., has tried to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid S. Africa, and disregards the NNPT with arrogant impunity and yet the pass they get here on U.S. media is absolutely outlandish.

When the Olympia Food Co-op here in my town divested from Israel and boycotted their products, their sales went UP despite much controversy. I agree with Blue Texan, this issue is a winner all around. The disgust with Israel’s hubris is palpable, and being labeled an “anti-semite” for saying so is a joke.

The entire government should be impeached because it is a vast conspiracy aginst the general welfare of the American people. Trillions of dollars given free to thieving Wall Street banks, gearing up for an assault on what’s left of the social safety net, 2 illegal wars of conquest and occupation yada yada yada. Armed resistance is not only necessary, it is patriotic.

==modnote: no advocating violence==

I’m not big on either nationalism or treason; I don’t see anything wrong with a Congressperson talking to a foreign leader. If, for example, a Congress person met with the Palestinians and pledged to fight the dangerous pro-Israel bent of the White House, I’d cheer.

What’s clear, in any case, is that the normal rules don’t apply where Israel is concerned. Hell, the United Nations concluded that Israel soldiers murdered an American in cold blood on the flotilla. Congress and Obama yawned.

No doubt this is going to be a fun thread.

“Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration”

That is what Congress is supposed to do…ya know, checks-and-balances?

“Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States”

That same thing is said about the Brits, yet having a special relationship with the British isn’t an impeachable offense…if it was that would be impeachment for every President in generations.

You might not agree with Cantor’s stances, but that is not a reason for impeachment…particularly when what you quote is either directly from the Constitution’s Separation of Powers or has been standard US policy for decades to have special relationships with certain countries.

Talking, yes.
Telling them what the government is going to be doing – or not doing – that is, giving them information on future actions, that should be illegal, if it isn’t already.

Excuse me. That’s Israel we’re talking about, not some foreign country.

Our ‘special relationship’ with the UK doesn’t involve treating them as a country that must be protected and supported at all costs.
They’re not given the kid-glove treatment, their military isn’t allowed to recruit here, we wouldn’t allow our citizens to serve in their military without a lot of questions, and I really doubt that Cantor would tell their PM what the Rs are going to be doing, assuming the PM would even talk directly with a minority member of the House.

Did Cantor give the info on future actions, whatever that means?

Look, this whole thing is a charade. Obama is absurdly pro-Israel (he just use loan guarantees to bribe Bibi to come back to the negotiating table, rewarding him for his illegal actions) and Cantor, while meeting with Bibi, pretended there’s some difference between the GOP and Dems on this issue. There isn’t.

Agreed. Saying that the interests of another country and our own isn’t treason. It isn’t unprecedented, either.

If the Democrats are ever going to get themselves off the mat, they need to pick a fight.

I guess BT missed the Book Salon yesterday. I missed the conversation, but read the intro and discussion with great interest.

Was Cantor one of those who complained that Nancy Pelosi was over stepping her bounds and should be charged with something when she met with the Syrian leader on a trip to the ME a few years ago? A trip that had in fact been vetted by the State Dept beforehand?

Correction: Saying that the interests of another country and our own are interconnected isn’t treason.

If it was just the Republicans, then the Democrats could make the case. But the Democrats, even people like Pelosi, are just as insane on the issue. I mean Barney Franks and Anthony Weiner have been trying to get Jonathan Pollard released in exchange for a temporary settlement freeze.

Cantor can go into the same “treason jail cell” with GI JOE Lieberman, who worries more about the goings on and protection of Israel vs The United States.

Just look at how many wars and battles our soldiers have been sent into, where OUR national security was not on the line if the battle had not been fought.

You have a point except it is Cantor using partisan noise to score points.

It used to be that the partisan crap stopped at the ocean’s edge, not with the partisan leader undercutting whatever the President and State Dept were trying to use as diplomatic pressures. As I mentioned, when Pelosi met with foreign leaders, she did clear things in advance with the Bush Admin. No indications that Cantor bothered to do so before meeting with Netanyahu

kinda tough for Dems to make this the fight considering they seem to be down with allowing IDF Recruiting on U.S. Campuses a privilege not afforded to any other country

and a bit tricky considering Mr Emanuel’s, um, background

ROTFL. I’m sure the Republicans are really scared of the Dems/Progressive. We are our own worst enemy. We don’t show up or fight for what we believe in. Bunch of wimps!

I say, impeach the traitorous little son of a bitch.

Here Here. That little sleaze bag is as bad as it gets. Another Puke who needs to be brought out back of barn and given a little frontier justice…

Yup!

Let’s not forget Reagan’s treason, in negotiating with the Iranians to hang onto their embassy hostages until after the 1980 presidential election, in exchange for weapons deals…and then used the money from those deals to support Nicaraguan rebels contrary to U.S. law.

Seems like nobody remembers Iran-Contra, or the routine abrogation of rule-of-law which became the new American norm.

Ah that is just another POS Ronnie the Raygun bequeathed to us all. I hope is is burning in a special place in hell for such despicable people.

Who’s supposed to do the impeaching. I mean it seems like it’s been the case for quite a while that the Democrats are even more in-the-tank for Israel than the Republicans are, not the other way around.

Christ, quite a few of our purported “progressive” heros were unabashed honorary ADL’ers.

Obama’s not going to do squat about this. But Congressional Dems should go after him with everything they’ve got–every trick, clean or dirty.

This is a golden opportunity.

You know how you deal with bullies in groups? Pick one you can take, and take him; kick every last inch of his smug ass up and down the schoolyard, where the other bullies can see. They may not leave you alone forever, but they’ll be that much slower giving you guff.

So the effect you want isn’t polite discourse.

It’s Cantor so upset he has to run to the men’s room every ten minutes. It’s him having to hire more staff because the one he’s got can’t keep up with the nasty phone calls. It’s his kids coming home crying because the other kids called their daddy a dirty traitor.

Oh, and fundraisers not returning his calls.

Yeah, this would be expensive and labor-intensive. Worth every bit of it, though.

Eric Cantor should be in prison.

I don’t see anything wrong with a Congressperson talking to a foreign leader.

The objection is not that Cantor “talked” to a foreign leader.

I trump your Cantor with Obama.

General McChrystal’s Report
Aug 30, 2009
‘Afghanistan’s insurgency is clearly supported from Pakistan. . .and are reportedly aided by some elements of Pakistan’s ISI [Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence ].”

President Obama
December 01, 2009
the Way Forward in Afghanistan and Pakistan
“Third, we will act with the full recognition that our success in Afghanistan is inextricably linked to our partnership with Pakistan.”

October 22, 2010
US announces $2bn military aid package for Pakistan

BT: “Conspiring with a foreign government to undermine your own is the textbook definition of treason.”

treason: the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

I was waiting for that.
Cantor appears to be getting way above himself. He has said that HE is looking over who might take Steele’s place but that HE hasn’t decided yet. Ms. McConnell must get a tad irritated with things like this.

“Our ‘special relationship’ with the UK doesn’t involve treating them as a country that must be protected and supported at all costs.”

Even if what you say is true, that is a political decision, not an impeachable offense. BTW we spent quite heavily protecting the British during WWII and before WWII we gave them the Lend/Lease.

“They’re not given the kid-glove treatment, their military isn’t allowed to recruit here”

Says who?

“we wouldn’t allow our citizens to serve in their military without a lot of questions”

Where exactly are you getting this? Either cite me the policy or give me the names of dual Brit/American citizens who have been subject to interrogation for wanting to join the British armed forces. You can’t afterall just throw stuff out there…

Blue Texan,

You forget something. It’s only treason to the Republicans if Democrats do it. If a Republican does it, it’s, you know, protecting American interests.

That is what Congress is supposed to do…ya know, checks-and-balances?

Yeah, that’s not what checks and balances mean.

Conspiring to undercut your own president with a foreign leader is not “balance.”

Apparently you didn’t read the rest of my comment.

So Cantor said he’d oppose the president’s policy? (As if Israel has something to fear from Obama!)
So what? Let’s say the United States was going to wrongly launch a war on another country and a Congressional leader told the leader of the country that he’d do what he could to stop it. Is that treasonous?

I’m just holding Cantor to the same standard as he held Pelosi. Why is that problematic? This isn’t just Cantor “opposing” Obama’s foreign policy, which should be obvious.

BTW, should people who spy for Israel in the US be charged with espionage, yes or no? Because it seems to me you’re arguing that because it’s Israel, there’s a different set of rules.

Bingo. IOKIYARAII.

It’s okay if you’re a Republican and it’s Israel.

spies for Israel should definitely go to jail and Pollard should stay right where he is.

I feel compelled to rant. Not that I call it that; I prefer to think of it as my input in a conversation. But like all good folks on the left, I let others define me.

One of the problems with folks not to the right of center is their maddeningly group-think inability to focus on their natural enemy for an extended period of time, much to their personal detriment. One of the strategies of the folks not to the left of center is their maddeningly group-think capacity to obfuscate essential realities with continuous distractions, all for their personal profit.

We, the left, keep falling for it. Over and over and over and over again. It’s positively Pavlovian.

Focus, people. The SCOTUS announced corporations are free to buy power, and are essentially super-citizens. All of the problems with government discussed on this site can be traced directly to corporate money, influence and power. 100% of them. Period.

Cantor is a dipshit. So is Palin. Stewart is a professional comedian, for cryin’ out loud. They are clowns. Jon’s show is hysterical at times. And where would we be without Palin’s unintended comic relief?

I agree Cantor should be removed from office; but people like him are only in office because of corporate money, influence and power. Put another way, a whole lot of people in America vote for creeps like him because they are sold on it by corporate mouthpieces they trust (some of whom wear religious frocks).

You really want to fight “The Lorrrrrrrrrrd Yer Gawwwwwwwwwwwd?” I put the odds at 9:5 against, and this one is definitely going extra innings.

The left has limited resources but it does have a natural, very visible, despised, multinational villain who is no figment of anyone’s imagination. It took their jobs. It took their savings. It’s ruining their country.

We can decry people like Cantor. That’s great. We can complain about Obama’s capitalist leanings, and that’s great, too. Can we ever – ever in my lifetime, please – for once focus our efforts on the real puppeteers instead of their colorful wooden slaves?

Vilifying their power source – corporate money, influence and power – is, IMHO, the only path forward. And if you’d like to take on the ultimate gold mine, there is only one target, period. It’s the one that paid for every war the world has had since they came into existence. It’s the ultimate source of the world’s problems. It’s literally the owner, through debt, of everything in existence and is the entity calling the shots in Washington. No one buys or sells without them, barter aside. As far as they are concerned, they own you and me and we’d best get used to the fact. They are your natural enemy’s only natural supporter.

The banks.

Nevertheless, I will defend to the death your right to ridicule politicians and pundits, one and all! It’s excellent for mental health! But… Can we walk and chew gum at the same time? Snark here, focus there? You know. Multitask?

SIgh. Oh, well. I tried. I’m putting the soapbox away. Go get ‘em, Tiger. How ’bout them Giants?

“Yeah, that’s not what checks and balances mean.
Conspiring to undercut your own president with a foreign leader is not ‘balance.’”

Actually you’ve shown no conspiracy – a politician announcing what they’re going to do is no conspiracy or else every politician would be guilty of conspiracy for saying what they’re going to do in Congress.

Congress is expressly designed to undercut the President – that is why Presidents can’t all by themselves ratify treaties and any of a number of other things Presidents would like to do. If Congress was supposed to be the Presidential Cheer Squad, there’d be no point in having Congress. Like gosh, Pelosi could fly to Syria to speak to the PM there even if Bush didn’t like it – I hardly feel that Pelosi should be impeached for doing something a President didn’t like.

After impeachment, impale him on his own petard:
Middle French, from peter to break wind, from “pet” expulsion of intestinal gas, from Latin “peditum,” from neuter of “peditus,” past participle of “pedere” to break wind; akin to Greek bdein to break wind

Cantor is one those goofs that follow the hard right Christain right wing that says that Israel is always right and that those that do not allow Israel to do whatever it wants is wrong. And Obama was declared anti Christian the day the “loonie fringe Christian right wing” saw his name. Same goes for those that are pro environment and civil rights and against big oil, the banks and big Religion by the way…then you are evil. Hence, it does not matter who Obama is according to folks like Eric Cantor…according to him, Obama is evil so he does not matter. So Eric Cantor and his ilk have pledged to destroy our president,… no matter the cost….its their belief system. For them, America is expendable.

Last I checked Pelosi was still in Congress, so do or do you not support the impeachment of Nancy Pelosi?

You’re placing the emphasis of Cantor’s statement where you think it’ll get you the most traction to support your opinion.

For an elected official to say that he’s going to use his power within one branch of government to ensure that another branch of government doesn’t pursue what he believes to be the wrong policy for the US just isn’t anything like what you want it to be.

And yet this is all Faux Partisan Theatre.

Cantor is saying that Democrats are not as friendly to Israel as Republicans… ok.

Eric Cantor is a damned idiot. He hasn’t got the brains God gave a fork to begin with and now he has proven to be a damned traitor on top of it for violating the Logan Act.

PROSECUTE THE BASTARD.

If the mindset prevailng on this thread ever takes hold of the Democratic party, I’ll go Repuke in a microsecond. And so will MILLIONS of others. (See 1980 for the big precdent.)

Shitting all over a voting bloc that’s 80% Democrat is a fast road to oblivion.

No, because no one’s claimed that Pelosi told Syria she’d help them in opposing Bush’s policies.

You mean like how the Administration shat all over, progressives, unions, gays, teachers and most of the rest of the Democratic Party voting blocs?

So is making the United States an arm of Likud.

Well, there were some at the time who made that claim but Condi was forced to admit that Pelosi had in fact cleared the visit with State and was working with the Admin.

There is a difference between opposing a policy and actually conspiring with a foreign leader to undercut your president.

If the Democrats are ever going to get themselves off the mat, they need to pick a fight.

On the Faux Partisan Theatre I mention in my ocmment @ 42, it might not be a bad idea to look again at yesterday’s Book Salon intro and discussion?

BT’s looking for a fight that just ain’t gonna happen and, if such a fight were to happen, it’d just be part of the great distraction that the players use to throw sand in the eyes of the American people.

Let’s ignore the fake angst between Democrats and Republicans and focus on real issues going into 2012. We need to be supporting candidates who will oppose the bullshit game being played by Democrats and Republicans.

Ok, Who’s going to start an impeach Cantor petition?
Or would that be anti-Semitic?

Yes! Yes! Yes!

Ahem.

Nice post. Stop falling for the distraction, people. The banks took everyone’s money, the economy is about to experience inflation and I sincerely doubt many on this thread could survive inflation without savings or credit.

Corporations are buying government. They replaced the Constitution with the Patriot Act and codified “corporate money is free speech” into law. Who financed them? Who finances war? Who finances government? Who, indeed.

The banks.

And now it’s clearer than ever that both Democrats and Republicans are complicit in this scam that will destroy the United States if the people let them continue doing it. It’s time to stand up to the a$$holes.

Cantor being impeached would be a healthy thing for the country. If would actually show these little back-biting, sniping little rabbit pellets that they aren’t nearly as important as they think they are… 96% of what these clowns do, say, eat, sleep, drink and spew is EGO… No smarts – JUST EGO…

I think there are going to be some big egos clashing in the R party this year. Works for me.

Why are we mentioning banks when the thread is about Israel? The old pieces of silver hate speech survives all our “correctness.?”

But you claimed you were mirroring Cantor’s stance (“I’m just holding Cantor to the same standard as he held Pelosi”), but now it looks like you are selectively picking and choosing. So if you’ve actually meant what you’ve said, you believe Pelosi is a felon.

The difference is, Pelosi cleared her meeting with the foreign head of state with the Bush Admin before hand and had the blessing of the State Dept. and was not undercutting the US foreign policy

Cantor did not clear but is acting in a way to undercut the Administration’s foreign policy by declaring to the foreign head of state to ignore anything he (the foreign head of state) does not like from the Administration.

And Cantor was one of those calling for Pelosi to be punished for meeting with the Syrian leader, even though she HAD cleared the meeting before hand with the Bush Admin.

Oh, goodie.
More us-vs-them black-white bullshit from Cantor.
It’s not simply Israel who benefits from the US allowing itself to be caught in this grip; it’s every drug lord, warlord, and anti-American terrorist who benefits from Cantor’s treachery.

And how this is ‘pro-US military’ escapes me entirely.
Wasn’t it Petraeus, after all, who pointed out that this kind of ongoing Likud-extremist political sabotage was hurting US troops farther east of the Med?

Meanwhile, how much non-US originated campaign money was Cantor spending in his last race…? Just askin’.

Cantor did not clear but is acting in a way to undercut the Administration’s foreign policy by declaring to the foreign head of state to ignore anything he (the foreign head of state) does not like from the Administration.

Yup.

Book Salon up with Jamie Court’s The Progressive’s Guide to Raising Hell: How to Win Grassroots Campaigns, Pass Ballot Box Laws, and Get the Change We Voted For hosted by Jerome Armstrong

Yes.

If I wanted to post on HP, I’d be there. Pardon my political incorrectness.

I thought this thread was about a representative of our government potentially engaged in treason or sedition. I thought he wasn’t the only one allegedly doing this. I thought both political parties were complicit. I thought we should focus on where the money is coming from to bankroll treason and/or sedition. I didn’t realize it was all about Israel. I thought international bankers and the investors they fleece financed them but if you’re suggesting they are all doing the bidding of Israel, well now. Wouldn’t that be interesting?

All I’m suggesting is we actually do the obvious thing: follow the damned money.

But of course we should be distracted. By all means. Obviously. So let’s do what we’ve always done. Say the magic words with me:

“Bad ally. Bad, bad ally.”

They can assassinate Americans and nothing happens. Nothing. Who bankrolls the media silence? Who bankrolls their government? Who bankrolls ours? Them?

The lackeys are awful but there are millions of them. Focus. Who bankrolls everything evil on this planet? Governments? The poor? Hippies?

How much interest and penalties have bankers extracted from the bankrupt entity referred to as the United States of America during the debate on this thread, I wonder? What might happen to us if America defaults on its debts?

“Bad ally. Bad, bad ally.”

Ignore those men in suits who believe they own you. Keep attacking each other. Whip those straw men. Scatter your efforts. Jump on every wedge issue with passion.

Stay divided, my friends.

As an American Jew, all I can say is, “Thanks, Eric, for reviving the dual-loyalty issue.”

That’s still a dodge. If BT is being honest, then per BT’s standards, Pelosi is a felon as that is what Cantor said of Pelosi. You can’t have double standards where on one hand saying that Pelosi isn’t a felon while on the other hand claiming to use the standards that said she was.

Pelosi was undercutting foreign policy as was her job in Congress. Congress isn’t supposed to be subservient to the President/Exec branch. No wonder the country is falling apart when even on FDL Congress is seen as being the Assassinator-in-Chief’s subservient eunuch – let’s have those assassinations and gulags and if anyone disagrees with this impeach them for daring to disagree with the Assassinator! Congress has ever right to undercut the President, but the problem with Congress is they’ve been too servile for the past decade rather than not servile enough.

No, Pelosi was not telling something contrary to US foreign policy to a foreign head of state while on a visit. Cantor was. Yet Cantor was among those who was crying about Pelosi having visited a foreign head of state, even though she had cleared the visit with the Bush Admin ahead of time.

Cantor did not clear his visit with the Obama Admin ahead of time and did not clear his comments ahead of time.

The notion is, that the partisan crap is supposed to stop at the shore. Pelosi can work within Congress, while in the US to question and provide Congressional oversight to the Administration.

Cantor is not doing this. Cantor is taking partisan shots at the Admin and promising a foreign head of state that he (the foreign head of state) can ignore the administration.

We are not being subservient to the Administration at all. Yet you, while seemingly standing up to the admin with your rant, are actually encouraging the very acts you are decrying. Cantor would not be going against the Assassination of American citizens and would be applauding it. Cantor is re-assuring the Israeli government that they can continue to build settlements in occupied territories, treat the Gaza as a gulag and ignore any efforts from the Obama Administration to try to build some peace talks and some leeway for the Palestinians.

Notice who and what you are defending here. It is not what you think you are defending by any stretch.

“Cantor is not doing this. Cantor is taking partisan shots at the Admin and promising a foreign head of state that he (the foreign head of state) can ignore the administration.”

Yeah so? Cantor as a member of Congress votes on who gets funded and to what amount, not the President and Congress also votes on treaties as well. Cantor has every right as a Congressperson saying how he or a voting block are going to vote/pass legislation in Congress. Cantor doesn’t for instance need Obama’s permission to put forth a bill to give aid to Israel nor for that matter does Obama need Cantor’s permission to go and bash the bill to Abbas.

“We are not being subservient to the Administration at all. Yet you, while seemingly standing up to the admin with your rant, are actually encouraging the very acts you are decrying. Cantor would not be going against the Assassination of American citizens and would be applauding it.”

But yet you are if you say that Congresspeople should be impeached for acting counter to what the President wants…you can’t just pick and choose this when the President happens to do things you like while someone in Congress happens to do things you don’t like. You can’t get out of this by saying what you are doing is OK because Cantor support assassinations since Cantor is just one voice out of hundreds and I am talking about the voice of everyone in Congress irrespective of their views. If you try and silence Cantor you also silence those who are diametrically opposed to Cantor – unless you are engaging in hypocritical standards that you will apply to some but not others.

“Notice who and what you are defending here. It is not what you think you are defending by any stretch.”

I’m defending the right of Congress not to be forced march in lockstep with the President – any President. If someone in Congress wants to send money or whatever to a place that the President doesn’t want it sent, you try and oppose the legislation and you can speak out as well. Impeaching non-conformity with the President while attempting to silence speech is not a healthy route to go and given time it can then be used against you when you are on the opposing side.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

But yet you are if you say that Congresspeople should be impeached for acting counter to what the President wants

NO one is questioning the right of Cantor or any other member of Congress to question the actions of the administration WHILE IN CONGRESS IN WASHINGTON DC.

We are questioning his doing so to a foreign head of state, while outside of the United States without having cleared those actions with the State Dept and Administration in advance. Like Pelosi had done. The partisan crap is supposed to stop at the edge of the shore, not carried out to a foreign head of state.

I have no problems at all with Cantor saying pretty much what he desires about the actions of the admin when he is in the US. I have a lot of problems with him conducting his own foreign policy outside of official channels with a foreign government. I had the same problems when Nixon sent Anna Cheanult to undercut LBJ on peace talks with North Vietnam in 1968. I had the same problems when Reagan and Bill Casey were negotiating with teh Iranians to hold the hostages until Reagan had been sworn in in 1980/81.

Cantor can say whatever he wishes while in the US and in congress. He cannot conduct his own foreign policy and that is one of the areas where in fact the Constitution is fairly clear – foreign policy is set by the administration and the President, not by individual members of Congress.

And the difference is that Pelosi was NOT conducting her own foreign policy when she met with the leader of Syria. She was representing the Bush Admin and had cleared her meeting ahead of time.

Actually, that particular bit of treason was engineered by Bill Casey, George H.W. Bush, Robert Gates, and various members of the international intelligence community, Israel and France’s included.

No one remembers Iran-Contra because Cheney was permitted by Democrat Lee Hamilton to introduce a minority report that made the whole thing appear to be differences of opinion rather than the effort to subvert the constitution and the will of the people that it was.

Everything we’ve been subjected to since, the appearance of having to balance out both sides in the news media rather than journalists calling bullshit on things like the secrecy of Cheney’s Energy Task Force or Scalia’s meeting with executives of groups with cases before the Supreme Court without a peep from editorial pages, has been made to appear to be nothing more than some sort of intramural high school debate instead of the slow destruction of our country and the idea of what it was meant to be by a group of well-funded right-wing radicals.

The minute Judge Julius Hoffman’s ruling to have Bobby Seale shackled with his mouth gagged in a courtroom in Chicago without having the ruling nullified and the judge himself immediately removed from the bench, we were on our way down the slippery slope to the chasm staring us in the face today.

As BT framed it, this thread is about bad Republicans vs Democrats who need to start fighting the good fight.

But the framing is based on a fallacy that gets to the heart of the real problem.

In my comment @ 42, I called it Faux Partisan Theatre.

Cantor implies that Obama’s position on x must be stopped at all costs. BT says that Cantor is a traitor. And meanwhile the bullshit behind the scenes continues – with both Democrats and Republicans complicit – while the American people argue about whose bullshit messaging makes us feel better and which crappy team jersey we want to wear.

Great job holding your ground with solid facts, making them crystal clear even after six rewordings of the same. That was a textbook demonstration of how to take down an opponent bent on distorting the truth. Much appreciated,

As much as I dislike Cantor and his view towards Israel, I went Googling about Nancy Pelosi, AIPAC and “special relationship” and she seemed to give a couple speeches during Bush’s time in office stressing the importance of the Israel/US relationship.

This is just standard bullshit from any and all politicians. None of them are willing to work solely in the US interest. They know AIPAC has a lot of money and they can help get them re-elected, so they pander do them. Why are you surprised? I’m not happy about it, but Cantor isn’t unique.

Once again, FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE is needed to fix these problems.. not idiotic witch hunts for things that both parties do, but we are unwilling to admit.

It is a shame that none of our politicians have the guts to do it. After all, they only bring things to the floor that they know they have the votes for. God forbid people need to take sides PUBLICLY and answer for whichever side of the issue they stand on. Nancy Pelosi does this (or the next) Congress ZERO favors with her style.

Speaking of Israel…! ;-)

Bribing Israel Will Not Help

Well, Cantor would probably cheerfully take whatever help the Israelis are willing to give him. And announcing to them that he and the rest of the Rs are planning to block everything they don’t agree with for the next two years, while probably not any more of a surprise to the Israeli government than it is to us, is not very smart.

Almost the entire US Congress is owned by the Israel lobby. Expecting it to impeach Cantor is unrealistic. The American people need to wake up and stop voting for the whores who sell out our interests.

I’m not sure members of congress can be impeached. Members of the House can be removed after an investigation in the House and I think the same thing applies to the Senate. The impeachment provision in the Constitution says it applies to the President, Vice President, and all other civil officers of the government.

Louis Fisher would be the authority on this I believe.

That cuts to the heart of the matter. When you have congressmen from your country bargaining for release of a man committing one of the worst national security breaches ever, then you know we have problems with this special relationship with Israel. That special relationship needs to end. We have millions of citizens of Arabic descent and always have, but we certainly have no special relationships with Lebanon or any other Arab nation. You all know this.

Every time I see a picture of this smarmy little puke standing behind Boehner while they give some update of their reality I just want to smack the look off his face. He is such a snake. And he thinks he is going to be President someday. Not when he gives off such negative vibes I think. And his wife is managing director of Emigrant Bank in Virginia who got a hold boat load of money in the bailout. No conflict there.

I am on a mailing list for JTA dot org’s news alert and they were bragging about the possibility of stronger Jewish influence in Congress and what it could mean…how five Dems went down but Republican left is in a powerful position…

It was worded as ‘news’ and layout of a possible outcome, and oh how exciting that would be…/s

That particular one about Cantor was sent out Nov. 3rd, week and a half ago.

Should subscribe to their email News Alerts, pretty interesting reads, always…
just wanted to put that out there.
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There are a number of Congressmen whose loyalty to Israel seems to overshadow their loyalty and responsibility to the United States. Joe Lieberman is just one who comes to mind. These people should acknowlege their conflicts of interest and either step aside or simply go live and work in Israel.

I bet Hillary will have something to say about this. She’s been working hard to bring peace to the region. sic ‘em Hill!

BT,
Thank you so much for making this important point on the front page. Excellent post!

Cantor didn’t even say that. He said he’d serve as a check on his President with regards to a foreign country’s interests.

PLEASE! Stop with the notion that anyone is actually on the side of America (or God forbid on the side of justice). HRC, Pelosi Obama, any and all the sacred cows you put up there are not going to do “the right thing”. They are all part of the system and they aren’t going to do anything to disrupt the funding of their campaigns.

So sick of the “special relationship” that the US has been guilted into with Israel at the cost of any sort of decent relationship with the Middle East.

Go ahead, “yeah Hillary wouldn’t do it that way…” watch. Watch how she disappoints you just like the Obama. I can hear the battlecry for 2012 and 2016… “Oh Hillary would do so much better…” Really?

Face it, the Democrats are not the way forward.

Seriously, Hillary said she wouldn’t even speak to Iran to try and resolve the nuclear issue. I suspect if Hil was President, being the neo-con she is, she’d have already bombed Iran on behalf of Israel.