So this afternoon I took our three kids — 4, 6, & 11 — to the Y to go swimming. This is a Fun Family Thing we like to do on those autumn weekends when nobody has a head cold, meaning, this is the first time we’ve all managed it since August. (Mom was working on her book, forgive the plug.)
As usual it took an astounding amount of time to locate bathing suits, clean towels, goggles, and then street clothing, socks, shoes, and all the wherewithal necessary to getting children moving in a specific desired direction. The coordination and logistics required to invade Normandy? Every day at my house. This is a function of young people being weird, running around, not comprehending simple instructions, acting in a thoroughly immature fashion.
Anyhow, we got into our Jeep, finally, and set off for the pool. Dad, me, believes that His Charges are duly constrained from evil by seatbelts and similar devices. So he momentarily relaxed, reached for the radio, attempted to detect if his beloved Hurricanes might beat Georgia Tech. (We did!)
To his right, on the front passenger seat, he heard an odd noise. Crunch. Crunch. Pop.
He ignored it. The occupant of the front passenger seat was an 11-Year-Old boy. Odd noises were to be expected. But they continued.
And so, he looked over. And this is what he saw.
The 11-Year-Old had a small cardboard box on his lap, positioned immediately over the, uh, Spaghetti-Os & Meatballs. In his balled fists, the 11-Year-Old grasped a large Phillips-head screwdriver.
With all of his might, the 11-Year-Old was deliberately ramming a large Phillips-head screwdriver into a cardboard box he had positioned over his Important Regions. Repeatedly.
This was an unexpected spectacle. Diplomacy was required.
“Uh, what are you doing?”
WHACK WHACK.
“Making binoculars.”
WHACK WHACK.
“Beg pardon…?”
“See?”
(11-Year-Old displays holes in side of cardboard box)
“Binoculars! Only the holes need to be bigger…”
(Resumes attempt to thrust screwdriver into testicles.)
WHACK WHACK.
Father attempts Reason.
“Son. You need to attempt a basic cost-benefit analysis here. Attend me carefully. If you succeed, you will have created pretend cardboard binoculars. If you fail, you will have jammed a screwdriver into your leg, or perhaps penis. You will injure yourself cruelly, perhaps for life. And it will be your own fault. And when anyone finds out what really happened about how you got hurt, they will not in the first instance feel sorry for you. They will collapse in fits of helpless laughter.”
Son looks darkly at Father.
WHACK.
I swerved to the side of the road and relieved the child of the screwdriver by force.
Christ.
I wish I could do the same thing for the fucking Democratic Party.



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saTHERSday nite live!
dood, i’m so glad i had girls…
Thersaturday Night Fever!
I hadn’t exactly thought of Rahm as an 11 year old boy before, but now that you mention it . . .
This is so a true story…
As the father of a 9 year old, I have every reason to believe you.
*shudder*
I wish I could do the same thing for the fucking Democratic Party.
(Helpless gales of hysterical laughter) Nothing I could possibly say could come close to doing justice to that. Sometimes embellishment will just fuck up a masterpiece. For that reason, I’m just going to say thank you and goodnight. :)
Oh, I dunno. The Dems don’t have any balls to be threatened by errant screwdrivers.
We, on the other hand . . .
g’nite margaret
Hmmm. With due respect, I think this is where you’ve got it wrong. The whole problem with the Democratic Party, I believe, is that they aren’t fucking. Is it any coincidence that the Republicans can get anything they want policy-wise, and they literally fuck anything that moves (except, of course, their spouses)? If once in a while we caught a Democrat wearing two wetsuits with a two-foot dildo shoved through his belly button, maybe we could get something done in this country!
I have to say that when I first saw the headline, my mind went to vodka and OJ.
Gracias.
OMG, thanks for the LOLz, Thers.
Hi,Suz
‘night Margaret
Grab the screwdriver, Dad?
Who is the Democrats’ dad?
I’m in tears here… howdy, ‘pups.
Oh man I wish I knew…
As the father of 26 and 22 year old boys, I know that you are speaking God’s Own Truth. There is a slight bias at birth in favor of male offspring, Suz. I’m personally convinced that the reason is that testosterone induces stupid, so we need to start with some extra males to stay more-or-less in balance.
We the people of the United States of America form this Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America for the promotion of a progressive agenda for America.
We generally support the progressive and liberal candidates that run in the regular Democratic party. We do not run candidates. We do not handle money. Our power comes from the unionization of our party members who tell GOP contributors and other regressive contributors that either you get the House and Senate and the President to enact our party platform at the present point into law or you lose our business as consumers. By doing this we avoid petitioning a corporate corrupted congress and go to the source of corruption and pressure them for the legislation under threat of massive boycotts.
Party members will send the party agenda by email to these GOP and regressive contributors.
Imagine it and it will happen.
The Republican party appears weak and vulnerable at the cash registers of those companies that give money to them.
To join us go here http://www.democratz.org and send some emails and get others to go there. If you like this message then Join us.
De nada. Oya!
bct — i am so hoping baby bell pepper doesn’t have a stem
If only you had emoties here. I am ROTFL!
Boys are okay, Suze. They just seem to require more… oversight.
Oh, and I made about 10 quarts of posole today. It turned out verrry nice.
I wonder how many folks out there feel this same way????
My empathy to ya, Thers…! Bwhahaha…! It gets better even…! ;-)
*raising hand*
At least one other… me.
Here’s your virtual latte, Suze.
Much more oversight…! I’m glad the first two of my three, were girls so I had some conditioning ahead of time…! ;-)
wasn’t a true jinx since we were both agreeing with the premise… but it smells so yummy, and has such pretty foam art.. thanks dood
Ummm, Do they have any “privates” that can be saved? I think that may be the problem. Nancy has the only set of them.
I don’t know what it is about boys that make them think something really, really, really stupid seem like a good idea at the time.
I know that I had those moments, my friends had those moments and my sons had those moments. I’m quite sure that I don’t know about all of my sons’ moments, too. I’m also quite sure that my dad had those moments too, but I don’t know about many of them.
My daughter is, to be fair, also a complete loon.
Wait till he discovers ‘power tools’…! 8-)
Power tools and kids — that’s a frightening thought. And my dad’s a cabinet maker…
LOL, yeah, it does get old watching those Democrats self destruct like that. Although I’m not convinced the self inflicted injuries are to the balls, since it seems to me they don’t have any…
maybe they tried to make binoculars with a screwdriver when they were kids…
He’s actually very respectful of power tools — his Activities for Dad are soccer & baseball, for Mom, it’s community theater tech, where he’s helping to build sets & learning basic carpentry.
But he’s 11, and so completely bizarre ideas are his to act upon.
Do you have to keep rubbing it in just how old the rest of us are???
LOL, my son was 11 when…..
Oh nevermind.
On the bright side (or not), he’s approaching 30 and just announced his engagement to be married.
It was right then I was so hoping he was 11 and I could remove that thought… with force if necessary….
I’ve got until April to convince him….
Any ideas?
Boys are much easier to raise. At least they don’t get up every morning and have a nervous breakdown over their hair.
Uh, yes they do…
Doh, I mass idet…
Should’ve put a smiley after that very first sentence since it was totally in jest.
Whiskey. Lots of whiskey.
when my oldest girl was 4, she refused to go back to pre-school the next day because one of the girls in her class had told her that her clothing was ‘yucky’. lotsa drama but she never pulled out a screwdriver to try to make binoculars…
Sometimes we have to make our own miskates [sic] OFG. If you don’t know the woman, you’ve got to trust him. If you do know the woman… yeah, you’ve got to trust him.
If he asks your opinion on the matter, hold your peace unless you have a prior agreement with him.
My Dad taught me the same respect, ‘we’ built a A-frame summer cottage before his untimely demise, and, I’ve went on to build houses from the ground up…! I did get a good chuckle when my son proudly showed me a footstool he’d built, a shaker design, and when he sat on it, it promptly put his arse on the ground…! It was nice craftmanship, but, he didn’t follow the design properly…! ;-)
HAHAHAHAHAAAA! *wipes tears of laughter* dayam that was funny.
“Christ.
I wish I could do the same thing for the fucking Democratic Party.”
ROFLMAO
Just happen to be working on that this very moment…
It ain’t helping.
Democratic Party ugh…kids never a dull moment professor.today we talked about income distrubution a lot but forgot wealth…well
In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation’s wealth.[14]
According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population.
What if I do know her, and she’s a walking, talking, breathing perfect example of the right wing, I’ve got mine fuck the rest of them, with a good deal of racism to boot, and of course she and her family are rich (dayem I hope my son is marrying for money, at least I could understand that…).
Collapsable footstools… where did he screw up?
My dad taught me the same respect for power tools, but also taught me that the most important piece of safety equipment was sitting on your shoulders. I came within an inch of losing my left thumb on a construction site, when a foreman got after me for returning to the ground to use a SkilSaw. The next cut I had to make I tried to do while hanging off the side of the cabin.
The teeth raked across my left thumb. I have the scars 30 years later as a reminder. I quit that job, but should have turned the contractor in to OSHA. I learned an important lesson that stuck this time. Don’t do things you know are unsafe. I knew it was stupid when I did it.
OK, need to make sure I can sleep whilst I may. Niters.
g’nite thers
jesusgodalmighty Thers, the book you write about your adventures with your oldest…
I still laugh about the bubbling bathroom adventures that occurred whilst leaving your father’s one vacation in the past
I have never understood why this matters so much. If a person earns a buck legally and morally, why does it matter how much money that person has?
SaTHERSday Night Fever!
That is the perfect parable for the Democratic Party today.
My evening was much less eventful, having just returned from the Montana Anthropology Student Association (MASA) annual banquet, where I ate excellent food and drank grossly overpriced beer.
Niters Thers.
Thanks for the laughs and good luck with the teenage years…….
If he asks for your opinion, and you have told him not to ask unless he really wants your honest opinion, then tell him exactly that.
Also tell him he’s a big boy and it’s his decision and you’ll back him either way.
Yeah, I wish you could give the Democratic Party a good dope slap to the back of the head. WHACK.
Actually that could be the new jobs program I’m determined we are going to have. We will each give a good WHACK to some hoity-toity person in the Dem upper realms every day, and we’ll get paid big bucks.
And that’s only the first minute! Just think what we could do…
I remember those days of infamy and terror myself. Mind you that was 25-30 years ago and it is still vividly clear in my mind.
It doesn’t matter how much he has – what matters is the fact that he’s trying to keep everyone else from getting a share of the pie.
MASA??
I hope the meal was enchiladas or tamales or…
See also: Wealth inequality in the United States and Wealth in the United States
In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation’s wealth.[14]
According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population.[1]
There is greater male than female mortality from conception onward (over half of all miscarriages are male).
The uberwealthy are forgetting their history.
Societies become unstable when the haves have too much more than the have-nots.
Do you have a cite on that one?
Met, too.
Wait for another year or two until the hormones fully kick in. Then it gets REALLY interesting.
My older son’s first serious girlfriend was kind of like that. I was so afraid they would get married, I just never said a bad word about her. I was sure that if I did, he would never leave her.
Isn’t parenthood great?
Just wait until he’s 17, my friend.
You think you’ve seen hell now…
Prepare yourself, the fun has not EVEN begun.
Best wishes, enjoy it while it lasts.
My son is almost 38 and is with his second wife, but they have been together longer than I managed for all three of mine combined. Maybe it will work out for your son as well.
It looks like the democrats are busy giving away their tools to the republicans and anyone else who asks for them. Or even looks like they might ask for them. Or just walks by.
How so? Can’t a person make money without exploiting others in the process?
Never, ever, say something untoward about the kid’s SO. Especially when it’s unsolicited.
“I’ve never said anything remotely like that, which is one more reason I find this whole discussion to be fascinating. Why do you instantly jump to that conclusion? I believe political decisions should be made by government, not by a “landed gentry”. Personal decisions should be made by individuals. Business decisions should be made by the business’s owners. I don’t want the rich running the entire show. But I also think that people who make money should decide how it’s disposed of. How is that equivalent to advocating for “noblesse oblige”?
The landed gentry are the “Deciders” through their mouthpiece as they will never take the heat for their policies. Who do you think is fighting for the tax cuts at the expense of the muddle class?
Night!
oh dear ghod, don’t tell me your poor son is marrying my niece! That is her to a T, age 24, never held a real job, spoiled rotten, irresponsible, gah.
Apparently not these days. I don’t hate or envy rich people. I don’t care about them at all but their greed to have all the money is disgusting to me. They have so much and there are those who have so little.
No, but the pun is intentional.
*heh* I have an anecdote, tho… My wife is the youngest of 9 girls… Her mom’s only miscarriage was a boy…!
I’ve never said anything remotely like that, which is one more reason I find this whole discussion to be fascinating. Why do you instantly jump to that conclusion? I believe political decisions should be made by government, not by a “landed gentry”. Personal decisions should be made by individuals. Business decisions should be made by the business’s owners. I don’t want the rich running the entire show. But I also think that people who make money should decide how it’s disposed of. How is that equivalent to advocating for “noblesse oblige”?
The rich call policy through their mouthpieces (BO)they will never take the heat for them.
Not off the top of my head, but could dig one up. It is pretty bog standard demographic info.
I never did…I even started buying older Fisher-Price baby toys at yard sales. I figured if they did have a baby, he or she would have neat vintage wooden toys to play with.
Very appropriate analogy.
I’ve never said anything remotely like that, which is one more reason I find this whole discussion to be fascinating. Why do you instantly jump to that conclusion? I believe political decisions should be made by government, not by a “landed gentry”. Personal decisions should be made by individuals. Business decisions should be made by the business’s owners. I don’t want the rich running the entire show. But I also think that people who make money should decide how it’s disposed of. How is that equivalent to advocating for “noblesse oblige”?
The rich buy mouthpieces to implement their policies, and will never have to take the heat for those policies.
It’s so strange because he’s always been so informed and thoughtful on politics, but they recently took a trip to San Diego together (we’re on the east coast, northern Virginia) and when they got back I was appalled at her description of the trip.
Racism BIG TIME. Also so much of they’re less a human being than I am came out, it literally, no shit, literally, made me sick at my stomach. I mean I knew I couldn’t make a scene and start something, so I kept quiet and was just very upset and heartbroken.
Unless his motivation is to marry for money, then I’m ok with it… :o).
Sorry, I make that joke because I literally realized I don’t much like her, but love my son so won’t/can’t say anything, so I make jokes to get through it.
Are you disallowing my comment?
I’ve never said anything remotely like that, which is one more reason I find this whole discussion to be fascinating. Why do you instantly jump to that conclusion? I believe political decisions should be made by government, not by a “landed gentry”. Personal decisions should be made by individuals. Business decisions should be made by the business’s owners. I don’t want the rich running the entire show. But I also think that people who make money should decide how it’s disposed of. How is that equivalent to advocating for “noblesse oblige”?
The rich buy mouthpieces to implement their policies, and will never have to take the heat for those policies.
Not democratic or transparent
Fair open forum?
That really is unfortunate. Hopefully things will work themselves out, but as others have said, you really have to stay out of these things unless asked and even then you have to be very diplomatic and let him lead things.
Many years ago, my Dad gave my then 10 year old son his first Swiss Army knife for Christmas, and he opened it the night before we left for the east coast celebration with MrCE’s parents. Just before we left for church on Christmas Eve, little CE shows me a wound on his thigh the size of a quarter. Holding the open knife above him, he drops it by accident right into his leg. I damn near fainted. OTOH, he is today the most responsible, kind, and smart guy I know at 29.
You have more self control than I would. The one thing I could not be quiet about is racism but maybe your son will realize before the day.
Yeah, my son turned out pretty well, too. Even though I was not sure that he would survive until 18 for a while, he is now 37.
Cool.
My son’s first serious g/f was pushing him to marry when he was nearing (college) graduation. She was a sophomore, and a little too right-wing for my tastes, but WTH, I didn’t have to live with her.
He had doubts about it, and came to ask me about it. I told him I wouldn’t give him an answer now, but if he really wanted my opinion on the matter to ask me again.
He asked again, so I told him. I was careful to couch it in terms of them being in very different places in their lives. He’d lived (mostly) on his own for two years (he was covered on my health insurance and we covered his auto insurance and provided some other support); she was still living at home with her parents. He was about to commission in the Army, she was dithering around the campus looking for something to study. I told him that marriages have the best chance of working if they’re between people with roughly equal experience.
He didn’t marry her.
All well now?
Hugs, OFG. It’s not easy.
My kids learned not to be Rascist the old-fashioned way…! They were the minority…! Fascinating how that works, eh…? ;-)
Forget about it
Same for me, CT. It’s amazing how growing up in Hawaii affected my views of race.
One of my daughters about 8 came home from school one day and used the “n” word. All my kids and I had quite a chat about it and as I recall, I raised my voice a couple of times.
Yeah. Mine’s an Indian in Oklahoma. He learned that lesson real early.
That would suck…! 8-(
Happy CenTury.
He has come through it OK. It actually led to his embracing his Cherokee heritage rather strongly, which had been a bit problematic as he was raised entirely by his white father.
But in the world of politics, the screwdriver is made of foam rubber and the politician gets a big pile of money everytime it connects with his nads.
Bigbrother, well you are responding to something I mentioned in a different discussion. What is your point exactly?
That must have been quite a challenge for both of you.
It is said (mind the passive voice) that the invasion of Normandy alternated between total chaos and utter disaster. So, yes, I think 3 children are up to something like that.
My proudest accomplishment is that we both survived until his 18th birthday, though there were a few close moments. On the ethnicity thing, it helps that I am a cultural anthropologist whose specialty is Southeastern Indians and have done research on the Cherokee among other tribe. I always encouraged him to take pride in that side of his heritage as I had seen the damage done to other kids (including one of his aunts) by the pervasive racism in the state.
Of course he should take pride in his heritage, but may I ask why he stays there?
You are a good man, DrDick — your work ethic is superb. And, we love you!
So pervasive that many part-indians deny their heritage. My wife has some stories from her Oklahoma days that are disturbing.
A moment to pop in and salute Thers for the perfect twist at the end of his story (and a comment on how glad I am I didn’t have to raise boys.Whew.)
and, now, I’m done – this having actual work is great in that I can actually pay for food – but sucks in that I’m really tired and fade out early. Tried to hold on for LLN, but it’s not happening.
Hello and good night, everybody.
He grew up there until we moved to Chicago when he was 14 and he is comfortable there and likes it.
Indeed. Pete is half and there is no mistaking his Indian heritage.
That’s all that matters – that he’s happy.
Hey! I had one of each, and both on the road to success. Am glad for an empty nest, but also thrilled to have them return as adults to enjoy. Really!
p.s. Juvie court not a stranger…
He seems to be. He has a good job that he loves and lots of friends (not everybody in the state is racist, though far too many are for my taste).
Thanks Margot, although I’d bet my last dollar other parents are going through lots worse than I am…
Anyway, thanks Margot, Suzanne, Dr [pause] Dick, BargainCountertenor, and Twain for all the heartfelt responses. Sure didn’t mean to try and own this thread, although due to you guys kindness it looks like that.
Hope everyone has a great weekend!!! So very many good folks here, whenever I start to lose confidence in things, I remember the very wise Southern Dragon (Never. Give. Up.) and other wonderful folks here, and it always raises my spirits. For that alone, it’s aweseom. Then when you add in Suzanne’s cartoons…. priceless. (Did I ever mention Suzanne has the best links???? Well, she sho do!!!)
…He has come through it OK…
Again, pun intended, eh…? ;-)
Time for me to toddle off. Take care all.
*waving g’nite to dr dick and any other leaving sleepy pups i may have missed*
I got dragged into Juvie court at age 18 and a week or so. Picked up a traffic (equipment) ticket that required me to go to court. Cop just wanted to hassle me.
Night DrDick.
G’night, Dr. D.
Aloha, Dr. D…!
10 minutes to zed…….
Oh hell, I’ve never got zed, why the fuck would I think otherwise tonight????
:)
Okay, everyone. OFG gets the Uno for LLN tonight. Got that?
*heh* I’ve got a lei’s worth of ‘em, myself…! ;-)
Hah!!!
Bet ya can’t beat me fair n square!!!
I gots my fingers poised over teh keyboard…
anyone wanting to snag the zed should have firedoglake dot com opened in another tab and start refreshing at 10pm (pacific) sharp
i’m just saying…
Got it.
Itchy fingers, eh…? ;-)
I’ve captured a few myself.
Dah dah dah dah…
I’ve found that 10:01 exactly… works the best! ;-)
Uh oh, competition to “marble columns” on SNL! Just busts!
“Ceramic Busts”
Oh darn, I’m refreshing…..