When was the last time an American President was accused of lying by two NATO countries on the same day?

Is this rhetorical? I don’t know. I wonder if it’s ever happened before.

I’m sure it’s happened but no one ever bragged about it before.

Perhaps if we had access to foriegn diplomatic cables from the 2001-2003 time period, we’d find it happened quite often. *g*

I can’t wait for all of the papers from the Dubya administration to become public. The ones that weren’t destroyed, anyway. I hope the truth about all this comes out someday.

Hah! See my 4 along the same line.

This is going to be all over the US media. Yes?

I mean the gall!! Furiners calling our leader a liar??? That’s gotta be page one news, ain’t it?

How about LBJ? George Bush can hardly be accused of lying more than LBJ

Except when the foreigners are right. Then our media would have to report facts. I think the bosses would have to hand out indefinite suspensions without pay.

Can Bush and his co-conspirators still be impeached to prevent them from “serving” in the government again?

Great. What are the Brits and Germans planning to do?

It would be outstanding if Germany spearheaded war crimes charges against George W. et.al. with the International Criminal Court. And when those under the executive claim they were just following orders from the Oval Office, and when George W. repeats his claim that he was only engaging in torture because his lawyers told him it was legal (he’s no lawyer, as he reminded everyone in recent interviews—he follows the advice of his experts), the German head of prosecution could remind them all of the fecklessness of such a defense.

Gerhard Schröder calls BS on the whole al Qaeda-Saddam connection … British officials said today there was no evidence to support claims by George Bush, the former US president, that information extracted by “waterboarding” saved British lives by foiling attacks on Heathrow airport and Canary Wharf.

Shrub in response: True enough, but there were WMDs. Oh, there weren’t? Well, everyone including the Germans and British thought there were WMDs at the time? And I was just sick when I found out that there weren’t any WMDs. As sick as when that Kanya guy called me a racist.

Turnabout is fair play. Oh I forgot. It’s only OK if the U.S. does it.

Loved on the interview how W wouldn’t answer the Q about whether it would be OK if a U.S. soldier got captured & waterboarded by the enemy.

Will there be any outrage in the USA at W & the Bushco Admin (except at some leftie blogs like this)? Doubtful. Sad to say that, of course. We’ve always known that there were no WMD, that there was no connection between Saddam & Al Qaeda. Yet I still see/hear conservatives making these claims to this day. Just recently I was in conversation with a conservative, who insisted that the WMD are just “hidden now in Syria.”

Most US citizens refuse to see reality, and facts no longer matter, as long as one can continue to live in a fanstasy world confabulated by Rupert Murdoch, Roger Aisles, et al, and their lying mouthpieces.

Ah, how much I miss the lying sack of shit. Good to have him back.

Yes and it strips him of any benefits such as secret service protection although I’m sure Mr TortureMurderTreason will hire some thugs for protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin

Here you go

There is already enough damning evidence here already:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

Ah yes, indeed. After JFK just happened to get his head blown away by a mysterious “lone gunman,” LBJ had to “stand behind” the Gulf of Tonkin. yep.

As bad as he always WAS, that interview shows Chimpy McFlightsuit at his petulant, whiney, ignorant, assholic best, I think. Laurence O’Donnell did an interview with Mjr. General Janice Karpinski and showed her that clip and she was speechless with rage and disgust. Actually, I like that Bush is around and pounding his drum like this – gives us all a great opportunity to remind everyone what he, Cheney, et al. did for 8 years.

Well, part of the comparison to the politics of Nazi Germany and the subsequent Nuremberg Defense is that in promulgating the whole ugly ball of wax that is the GWOT, Cheney and Bush (apparently in that order of influence) applied the Fuehrerprinzip and dictated to those down the chain of command: “Here’s what we are going to do. Make it legal and make it happen.”

Yeah, not answering that question is in keeping with such a dictatorial maxim. Plus, George W. has demonstrated almost no regard for those outside of his socioeconomic class. It’s not about the lives or security of US or any other country’s soldiers. It’s about naked, unchecked power.

“When was the last time an American President was accused of lying by two NATO countries on the same day?”

I don’t know, but at least they didn’t call him a racist! :^)

Thanks for mentioning O’Donnell and Karpinski. Just watched it on You Tube. That Lauer interview was a sympathetic, fawning, cocksucking affair.

Aslong as they spell his name right, it doesn’t matter to Boosh. It sells books!

Yes, and the British and Germans said that it was also not true that there was no successful attack on American soil after 9/11 until Obama took over. They categorically deny that.

They also said that all the Al Quida agents arrested or captured from information coming from the waterboarded three were not actually captured. It was all a hoax.

According to the German President, who does not want to cover his hide (“oh, no,” he says, “I have no desire to cover my hide.”), there were several attacks on the US that have been covered up. Bush lied even though thousands and thousands of Americans died in successive attacks in America.

The British and Germans also said they were shocked that further attacks were planned and nearly carried out during Obama’s administration because they were convinced that reports of potential attacks were only put out for political reasons and to falsely scare Americans.

Got links?

Amerithrax.

For all the bedwetting going on, on might be excused for wondering about the rest of this mouthbreathing yabber. I suppose you have to make a nation with the people you have, not the people you wish for.

Nadler wants investigations but he’s not at all reliant on the Holder “Justice Dept” to carry them out.
Esp since the Oilbomber admin is doing the same damn thing…not to mention ratcheting up spying on the people of this country.

Now that, courtesy of Citizens united and the takeover of congress by the nutso R’s, I wonder if these Bush “people” will skate” on these international murders forever.

He’s still breathing ain’t he? Unfortunately.

Z

In his book, Bush also wrote that he was shocked and furious in 2002 when he was compared to Adolf Hitler by the German Justice Minister Herta Däubler-Gmelin due to his Iraq policies. He wrote that it was difficult to imagine anything more insulting than to be compared to Hitler by a German official.

Gmelin was forced to resign over the comments. (Bold added)

Several things that may be added to this. Note that there are different versions of what was said.

The statements made by Justice Minister Gmelin were made on September 18, 2002. President Bush had appeared before the U.N. General assembly on September 12, 2002 to ask for Security Council action to enforce Resolutions against Iraq. The AUMF was not introduced in the U.S. Congress
until October 2, 2002 (passing House Oct.10, Senate Oct 11, and Signed by POTUS Oct 16.

Although the Justice did not in fact resign, after the re-election of Gerhard Schroeder (by a small margin) on September 22, 2002, Gmelin was not appointed to a cabinet post in the new cabinet.

Däubler-Gmelin’s remarks by no means spelled the end of her political career. Indeed, in those same 2002 elections, she was re-elected to the Bundestag as a member of Schröder’s Social Democratic party. From 2002-2005, she served as chair of the Bundestag’s Committee on Consumer Protection. In 2005, she was elected again to the Bundestag. Then she was chosen to head the more prominent Human Rights Committee. In addition, Däubler-Gmelin is a member of the German delegation to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. There too she is hardly inconspicuous. She is presently chairwoman of the Parliamentary Assembly’s Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights. LINK

The Justice minister had some personal experience with Nazis as her father Hans Gmelin had been both a party member, and an officer in the SA (Sturm abtielung aka “brownshirts”). She was born in 1943 in what at that time was Slovakia where father . Her father was imprisoned for 3 years after the end of the war, his immediate superior was found guilty of war crimes and executed. Link

As a coalition member Germany has supplied regular forces, GSG 9 der Bundespolizei (GSG9- counter-terrorism and special operations unit of the German Federal Police) and KSK Kommando Spezialkräfte (Special Forces Command, KSK) (which is under the Special Operations Division, DSO).

Additional information on Hans Gmelin (father of Herta Daubler-Gmelin):
may be found searching using variants of Adolf Eichmann and Gmelin. Here is an excerpt from one return:

Many high Nazi officials, including such as were directly implicated in the Holocaust, never faced trial at all. Consider, for instance, the case of one Hans Gmelin. An SA officer and jurist, Gmelin served as attaché to the German embassy in the Nazi satellite state of Slovakia. As documentary evidence shows, in this capacity he helped to organize and direct the deportation of Slovakia’s Jews. Their destination: the Nazi death camps at Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Sobibor. As Hans-Joachim Lang has noted in an exposé of Gmelin’s Nazi career (Schwäbisches Tagblatt, 28 April 2005):

Whether Eichmann was announcing his arrival or railway officials came by to discuss “questions relating to the shipment of Jews” or the Reich Central Security Office was welcoming the Slovak government’s “making available of railway equipment,” initials on the documents always confirmed who had been apprised: for example, “Gm” for Gmelin.

Decades after the end of the Second World War the history of Germany
provides many examples of a look forward not backward policy. Hans Gmelin is one.

it would rather sweet if the Germans – who have done so much in an attempt to atone for WWII sins – took one more step and initiated charges in the ICC against the warmongers and torturers.

naw.

it would rather sweet if the Germans . . . initiated charges . . . against the warmongers and torturers

I agree. It would be wonderful to see that. However, I don’t think Germany would do anything of the sort without the approval of the Obama administration. Team Obama have proven themselves to be major foot-draggers in terms of respect for the rule of law.

Now, Spain is a different story. I suppose that once you’re on the hook for the Inquisition, you don’t care if other countries call you legal fussbudgets. There are whole bunches of politicians who have scratched Old Madrid off their list of “Places to See Before I Die.”

The British and Germans also said they were shocked that further attacks were planned and nearly carried out during Obama’s administration because they were convinced that reports of potential attacks were only put out for political reasons and to falsely scare Americans

You definitely need some support for these statements. I can believe that reports of potential attacks were indeed magnified for their political value, but I’d be curious about attacks that were planned and nearly carried out. This sounds like a reference to the underwear bomber or the Times Square bomber . . . neither of which would change anybody’s mind about whether America is actually under siege. Do you trust the FBI? The New York cops? The Coast Guard? I sure don’t.

Just recently I was in conversation with a conservative, who insisted that the WMD are just “hidden now in Syria.”

There’s a distinction between being a conservative and being an asshole. Admittedly, it’s not a bright line, and members of both groups repeatedly step across the boundary. The person you chatted with is far more of an asshole than a conservative. I apologize for this characterization if this person is a relative.

The double whammy here for the Germans, same as for the Muslims, is the background of the twin tower attacks about which there is no doubt the American government is lying–those buildings were imploded.

So the whole crapwagon is powered by a lie, who cares about the smaller, insipid lies which must follow in order to prop up the bigger lie.

Here you have crimes against humanity, war crimes and all the associated crimes of aggressive war. They hung people as an outcome of the Nuremburg trials, hell, they hung a journalist they considered a propagandist(seen any of those around here). The Germans have had their noses rubbed in WWII for 50 years and now they have little pissant Bush trying to brush all his crimes off as well intending misunderstanding. They have to be smoking out of both ears.

Haven’t you George Bush caused America enough shame for one lifetime. Please go away, at least that you horrible monster.