
At the foot of my hill
So this afternoon I’m out for a run. It’s a crisp October day, the sun is out, finally, and it’s shining through the last of the fall foliage. I live in rural upstate New York, and on a day like this, the country roads turn into tunnels of leafy gold-orange light.
I have my iPod on, loud enough to rock, natch, soft enough to hear the pat-pat of my sneakers on the asphalt. And to hear any cars or trucks or anything coming up behind me. Out in the sticks, sometimes people enjoy doing about 70 even in 30 zones, because, well, why not, it’s not like there’s traffic.
I get near my first turnoff; I do roughly two miles from my driveway and back again, along a ridgetop, down to a valley, along a stream, and then up and home. So I’m close to heading downhill. And I hear a roar behind me, someone coming fast, in a pickup or an SUV or something big. This song is playing. I sheer off the to the very right edge of the road. I can only go so far because, well, there’s a ditch.
Dude RIPS by me by maybe a foot. A fucking foot.
I jump about two feet, straight up in the air.
As this giant red pickup disappears up the ridge in a cloud of dust and dead leaves, I notice two things.
One.
He’s flipping me off out his window.
Two.
His Paladino for Governor bumpersticker.
So I stop, get my heart back in my throat, briefly contemplate the existence of lots of pointlessly angry people in America right now, furious that there’s someone else doing something they’re not doing on a public road.
And then I go back to my run.
It’s still a beautiful day.



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I feel for you Thers. The road is my office and I’m in everyones way. It’s like being a goalie wearing handcuffs.
saTHERSday nite angry! dayam thers, i’m so glad the asshole missed ya
Wow. Serious business. Glad you’re ok.
“Assholes for Paladino”
Evening.
I’m cool. I just saw this as a bit of a parable…
SaTHERSday Night Fever!
I know the feeling, sort of. If you are ever in western Montana, be careful in the Yaak.
From what I have seen and heard about him, you would have to be a total asshole to support Paladino.
am real glad this wasn’t a new age version of fractured
fairythers’ talesPaladino is really a Nut — his stuff about how Men in Speedos are Gross is pretty awesome. I’ll be really sorry to see him go away.
I was out for a run once and this guy decided to get as close to me as he could and he actually hit my elbow with his mirror. Fortunately he wasn’t going too fast. Then the idiot stopped at the store just right up the street. I called the police and then took out his coil wire while he was in the store so he couldn’t go anywhere, (this was almost twenty years ago when there were cars that had coil wires). The police came and he was inside the car, cranking and cranking. I handed them the coil wire and made a police report. They handed the driver of the tow truck the coil wire and his keys and fitted him with a pair of bracelets. Nice!
What the guy wasn’t r
idding a horsebeing ridden by a horse? Just what do you tell your mom if you put a Paladino sticker on your car?Good for you.
8-)
Thers, unfortunately there are too many assholes in the world and these days many are being goaded to be bigger assholes by the wingnutty atmosphere.
To be fair, this is really rare up here, deliberate assholery. Most of our neighbors are Repubs, but they’re all very lovely people, except for their politics.
Paladino is in the wrong state, is all.
“Sorry, Mom, but I just look bad in a Speedo?”
What anti gay GOPer with principles could vote for a guy who lets his son manage a Gay Club?
Was his son a hands on manager? I wonder what kind of emails Paladino gets from his son? Probably nothing as *horse* racy or racist as his friends send him but manage a gay club I’m sure you get gay porn emails.
hehehehe i like your style margaret — and i bet the cops appreciated it too
Hey, I look bad in a speedo, but I sure as hell ain’t voting for an asshole like that,
Brain Bleach alert But mom I think of you when I see that picture.
Taking the coil was smart. Did they charge him with assualt, or hit-and-run?
It is unfortunate but true that I have been driving to work since August, rather than taking the train, what with everything happening with our Old Ones health etc.
And I’ve noticed the Palin ’12 and Ken Buck bumper stickers are always speeders, and otherwise road law breakers.
Fascinating. Not.
Rules, much less civil public behavior aren’t for them somehow.
We actually have horses go by all the time.
That is actually more of an issue, from a jogger perspective…
OK for the garden, tho.
Alrighty!
I live in Republican Pick Up country with lovely hills and beautiful views. I do not bicycle because of too many close calls like Thers had. Here they don’t do it on purpose. They are just stupid to start with.
They charged him with failing to yield right of way to a pedestrian, (a ticket), but they took him to jail because of the crack pipe on the floor.
Do I dare ask what a Ken Buck is? Sounds like Barbie’s boyfriend’s porn star name…
I used to pick up my Obama poster when I saw folks with offensive bumper stickers. What am I supposed to do now? I only flash it now when I see an Impeach Obama sticker. I had good fun when I spotted a McCain/Palin bus on the I-5! Me and several other drivers.
Instant karma.
Good one!
Its not just one candidate the GOP is running tons of candidates who anti Gay, Anti Porn, Anti Satan Anti Immigrant types just can’t vote for on principle.
I don’t see the nuns at my old church voting for a Horse Fucker or a Satanist just because they are anti abortion.
I don’t see Minute Men trusting Jon McCain’s last minute conversion on immigration after years of supporting and sponsoring immigration legislation. I would just as soon expect Jane to invite Holy Joe to the Lake for a chat.
You can’t rally voters with hate and then betray them on why they hate. The Media is non stop covering these scandals how can anyone vote GOP if everyday there is a new scandal that offends your hate?
There have been some really good DNC attack ads playing down here lately. They’ve actually taken the gloves off, especially about Goodhair.
How wild! He just happens to be Republican Porn Star Barbie’s boyfriend!
Montana is pretty red in most places. Missoula County, however, is pretty much Democratic. The county just north of here and the one just south, on the other hand, are chock full of whackaloon teabagging Rethugs. Lots of “Patriots”, militia types, some resurgent Freemen, “Sovereign Citizens,” and sundry other rightwing thugs.
Tell me more how are they attacking him?
And that’s just the 10 PM news anchors…
Well, only two of the stations. The CBS affiliate are only moderate Republicans.
The tags to this post are not meant to be Jokes.
(sheesh…)
I bet Carl Paladino says the same thing about his candidacy.
Oh, Margaret, I busted out LOL when I got to your last sentence.
I was enjoying the “removed the coil” part, too.
Is there anything equivalent on a modern car?
the butterfly won
The last Dem Governor of New York resigns over a whore and the GOP is clutching their pearls in outrage. But Horse porn and running 2 gay clubs is ok with the GOP?
Are there any Dem scandals this election?
It says a lot about our media and our current political culture that any minor or even faux scandal involving a Democrat is major news everywhere, but very real ethical and other issues with Republican candidates or politicians rate hardly a murmur.
OFG, so sorry to hear this, keep your voice.
Eventually. By decision.
I bet Paladino has a life sized Eeyore of his own. We should ask his wife if her and the husband visit farm country much.
Laughing! Oh, Loo Hoo.
True its propaganda news network on every channel but I can’t see moral upright up tight citizens bragging about voting for Paladino, Satan girl or McCain at church. GOP voters in the burbs at least have a public face that hates to be ridiculed.
There is no way to vote in many states GOP without facing laughter.
TCU:)
This election on the GOP side at least is a joke.
Headaches are strange…
No, just Republicans.
As I look at the list of “related posts,” it seems to me it’s time for the “Pouting Baby” to return. I don’t think he would like Paladino or his supporters.
Documentary on Bruce Springsteen on HBO right now (EST). All about “Darkness…”. Pretty cool.
OK, down & out. Lurves you!
They are pointing out just how rich he and his buddies have gotten off the taxpayer dime. They finish by saying, “Rick Perry is in business for himself. Isn’t it time for a new governor?”
Let’s see….these days I’d pull the ignition fuse or the ECS fuse.
Nighters! Think I will toddle off as well. Take care all.
g’nite thers
Night DrD!
Niter thers.
g’nite dr dick
I have pretty much concluded that 25 to 30 percent of people are assholes. One of my favorite Gary Larsen cartoons is of Gawd in his laboratory creating earth with a salt-shaker-looking thing in his hand sprinkling over the globe saying, “And now, to make things interesting…” and the salt-shaker was labeled “Jerks”.
On Friday I went to a symposium at Stanford with the Dalai Lama entitled “Compassion, Science, and Society” the purpose of which was to present the results of research about compassion and altruism. My favorite graph was one that had on the x-axis the degree to which subjects experienced a neurological reward (i.e., lit up by MRI a reward center in the brain, translated into “warm glow”) from charitable giving and the y-axis was subsequent charitable giving…so basically looking at whether people who get positive emotional feedback from charitable giving give more later. I counted the dots in the quadrants of the graph and six of eighteen dots appeared in the lower lefthand quadrant which showed the subjects who experienced no good feeling from giving and did not give later. I call this the asshole quadrant. If you look at the results of any opinion poll, there are about 25 to 30 percent of people who are just assholes.
Bahahaha.
Who says Karma’s not paying attention?
Funny how it always works that way with these “anti-government” types, isn’t it. One of the militia groups has basically taken over a small town up in NW Montana, but for all of their anti-government rhetoric, almost all of them are on food stamps, welfare, and Medicaid.
OK, please do not take this that I am either a protagonist for a very uncivil driver or for Paladino. But, I am not certain how Paladino, or republicans in general, are responsible for his actions. We do not allow anyone to smear Islam because 19 guys shouting Alahu Akbar murdered about 3,000 Americans. They thought they were representing Islam, but we realize that they were not. Why does the same logic not apply here?
I’m just going to put it out here.
A lot of people will say “The electorate are idiots.” They’ll also say “America is a center right nation.”
They’re wrong. 2/3rds of people are decent, and common and really do have common sense. What they don’t have is a voice.
They don’t have someone saying “Social Security is good; Overtime rules are good; loopholes in the tax scheme are bad; anonymous advertising in politics is bad; off-shoring jobs is bad; tax loopholes for off-shoring jobs is THE WORST THING IMAGINABLE to me right now.”
That candidate saying the above graf is a winner. There aren’t any saying that.
Yep! No new taxes always means “No new taxes (for me), the rest of you keep paying because I’m gonna scream bloody murder when I don’t get MY services”. My brother is just such a “Libertarian”. Dunno how he feels about the teabaggers cause he’s way smarter than most of them and not a bigot. He hates paying taxes though which is why the IRS is so annoyed with him.
Find/provide a pro or even neutral Republican on the Islamic question.
You have then answered what you posited here.
Good its about time we get Dems who fight back and this ties in with jobs too Perry making his friends rich with tax payer cash won’t play well with the jobless.
I wonder if Perry’s friends drive Caddy’s Corporate Welfare caddy’s and eat steak paid for with Texas tax dollars?
I am not saying that the Republicans are rationale – I was just hoping that we are.
Sounds like my area in northeast Washington. I did my part yesterday and talked a couple of Republicans into voting for the sane Rep for commissioner and the Dem for coroner. People have really gone off the deep end here. The current coroner is highly qualified, but took less votes then the “nice guy” Repub that has never seen a dead body and has absolutely no qualifications. I’m just hoping the sane Repubs can get through to enough of them to vote for the qualified person, since it will be cheaper by a bunch.
Did you know that the likely voter filter that Gallup is using for it’s national generic is 39 percent Republican, 18 percent Democratic and the rest independent? How in the hell does that even come close to being a useful filter? It’s all part of the NARRATIVE that we are being peddled.
Then provide the rationale. You haven’t. You’ve just made Broderian observations.
Diary or link to more of this research? Maybe we could fund a study and see just how close this correlates to GOP voting patterns:)
Something like 70 percent of his donors have gotten fat state contracts. Plus the taxpayers are footing the bill for $10,000 a month rent for temporary quarters for the endless renovation of the governors mansion. That’s been going on for like five fucking years. They could have built a new one in less than 1/5 the time and 1/4 the cost. Douchebag.
Cool. Got any links?
What I said is that you cannot blame either Republicans or Palidino for the actions of the truck driver anymore than you can blame Muslims for the actions of the 9/11 killers.
Right. It’s not real.
I keep saying, and there’s no real rebuttal to it, but how have TLGB rights advanced in the same time that the rise of the Reagan, now Palin right has advanced?
It’s because once people are out and others actually know them, and see them, the rights and places in society are very difficult to ignore.
Whaaa?
Who are you and what have you done with Thers?
Paging Molly I. Molly I to the white courtesy phone.
Dude, you gotta lead up to that kind of style change gradually.
I’m old.
C
Agreed. My theory on man’s best friend.
They said the whole thing would be on iTunes and YouTube in a few days, but I was planning to write up my notes for some interested friends and will be happy to post it as I diary. The whole day was fascinating and inspiring.
The dems certainly didn’t vote for him. You only need to hear him once to know what kind of a person would do so…
Obama is saying those things, Kelly.
Define we
He is your candidate? One candidate messes up its a laugh the GOP has several candidates messing up though and the stories are feeding off of each other.
Its a public relations nightmare funny people who want attention are now watching the news waiting for the next GOP scandal so they can be the first to tell their friends.
Us we are the informed elite we watch politics all the time for fun but now late nite comedians on tv have gotten into the act.
Fair enough on the broad brush complaint.
However, do you have any examples where the COEXIST bumper sticker tribe runs afoul/drives off the road the NRA gun rack pickup set?
I believe that answer would be “No.”
Here’s a Bill White ad. And here’s another good one. The DNC ad is still too new I guess cause I can’t find it.
Used to run on the country roads…not any more to msny close call. Who wants the traffic when there are plenty of really beautiful trails designated. Motor vehicles can be a deadly weapon any time. Drivers are paying less attention with cell phones drugs and alcohol use. Be safe live long. I have several friends that lost grown up kids. You have younguns. So find a safe place a lot of people depend on you Thers.
No, he’s not. SocSec is on the table. Amongst the others I mentioned.
70 % of his donors got contracts I’m not sure even the old Mayor Daley ever pulled numbers like that. $10,000 in rent a month for 5 years what neighborhood is he renting in Manhattan? We should be beating this guy.
They are forced to see us as people and not dangerous “others”. I always say I could set people who fear us quite as ease if they spent a day observing my fabulous “lifestyle”. I do the same shit they do, have the same needs, the same chores, the same worries, etc. I’m not a LGBT, I’m another human being.
Have you watched Fox News at all in the last 8 years?
Of course, to be fair, the Mansion did burn down during the renovation, and have to start over.
OTOH, as it drags on – and after I saw a photo of his temporary digs - I sometimes wonder if he had it torched because the Mansion was too cramped for his comfort.
Going to bed folks. Night!
I think he was involved in it going up, yep!
One.
g’nite margaret
Two.
I wonder if stress can push people to be well less compassionate and altruistic? 9/11 stress on society is my theory why Bush got reelected. Well that and he stole the election.
Three.
I’m not being rude when I say this – but that’s from TODAY, and on all these issues Obama defenders are confusing process with results.
If the results were evident, there would be no enthusiasm gap. Results are NOT evident.
So that’s where we are.
Nite:)
Four.
And of course, there is the tie-in with Thers’s topic and Gov. Goodhair – he runs regularly, but he either has his State Trooper guards along, or his trusty gun.
About the attack ads – I’ve seen a few targeting Perry, but unfortunately, more attacking Bill White (his Dem opponent) and local Congressman Ciro Rodriguez, plus some by Rodriguez against his opponent, somebody Canseco. They play so often I automatically reach for the mute button when one comes on. Sigh.
OMG Patterson is on Saturday Night Live!
Cool! Didn’t Perry used to have salt & pepper hair?
You can, like programming language:
And it won’t make any difference about the actual output from this administration.
Cool link:)
Agreed. Obama advisers wanted to have a total dem vs. rep campaign, but the bluedogs vetoed the idea. I still think they should do a killer campaign comparing ideas.
He, and Fred playing him, were hilarious!
More to the point, while it can’t be used in a mid-term, what do you think is going to be used in the ’12 cycle:
REAGAN: Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?
The answer will be no.
Explain to me how people are better off now, and I’ll tell you who wins the next cycle too.
?
Congrats on the 100!
Thanks:)
You gave examples One, Two, Three, Four
I’m just saying you could goto100.
It’s all about results. Ain’t got any worth talking about.
Well, people are educable. It’s a matter of messaging. The republicans fucked this all up, and the dems need to message properly. And do stuff so they can back it up. Gonna be a full plate for Nov./Dec., and the republicans will block everything, but at least the dems can get it on tape for 2012 ads.
Well, g’night, all. Enjoy LLN.
Yes. I blame Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landreau, etc.
And Massachusetts voters.
Don’t you find it a problem that tons of folks say “This is the most sweeping legislation/progress in my lifetime” when NOTHING has changed?
From the candidate who ran on Change?
Just exactly what is different from October 2008?
That is the problem for Democrats.
And Obama on DADT.
g’nite tejan
The situation is fundamentally screwed because of the Senate. South Dakota has as much say as California, and senators can live in one state and run in another. It’s a fucker.
Hey Suzanne!
Happy “waves.”
hey ce — happy waves back atcha
Then we should only care about the Senate. Obama is just a figurehead.
We have problems yes but look at the GOP candidates this election with some good push back we could still win thats how bad their candidates are.
The GOP is not talking about Homes and Jobs but then again we are not either. We need a message about idea voters care about.
Fewer people with jobs, fewer people with homes, etc.. More U.S. troops and civilians killed in Afghanistan. I could go on but I think we’re already on the same page.
Don’t miss SNL, man they have their groove on.
thanks for the heads up ce
Fixed that for you.
Thanks :)
Googling Youtube provides results.
Watch Jane here.
One of the points the Dalai Lama—not surprisingly, a very perspicacious person—kept making was that fear and anxiety cause people to make poor decisions and behave badly. Here is a link to CCARE the Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education at Stanford which sponsored the symposium and is performing much of the research.
One point that he and one of the scientists made that I thought was interesting was that anger—well, some background first: the anger centers in the brain are fairly well characterized as are the compassion centers, so when people were hypothesizing, they used anger as the opposite of compassion—okay, so the point was that anger is not necessarily bad. For instance, righteous anger supports our impulse for justice on behalf of others who are wronged. So anger as well as compassion confer survival benefits.
So the people most threatened are the most angry. And/or the people who are the most paranoid are the most angry.
I left a comment in the Cenk thread earlier to the effect that it is fantasy to pretend the Dems were somehow tricked into serving only the rich and powerful. They do it because that is where their sympathies lie, their traditional ties to poor and middle-class Americans are artifacts to which true believers cling like pieces of the true cross.
Does righteous anger come from the same place as well dishonest anger example Paladino hates gays but owns gay clubs just how does the brain light up with someone like him? Thanks for the link I could not find it on itunes yet.
Grrrr.
What’s also very interesting to me is that people act like allegiances are so lightly given or abandoned.
Lifelong Dems who are quite left, and have always allowed compromise are somehow portrayed as traitors, when it is not us who have changed, but the Leadership has, and now when the change is too far to the right, BALK?
That is what we are supposed to do. Drag the Overton Window Left. BUt apparently the fools think the window only goes Right.
They are so wrong. The fallout from the Catfood Comission will be inter-generational. For quite some time.
Well, I didn’t understand it quite that way, but that the most fearful and anxious make the poorest decisions. I suppose anger would be one of the responses to fear and anxiety but not the only one—and it certainly makes sense looking at the evidence from the daily news.
Well, third party news is all the rage, but I’ve been wanting one for a long old time. Left of the dems. All the smart lefty folks laugh, but the Press! seems to think it should lie somewhere in the middle.
Ummm, I think the sample size was too small to pick up an aberrant specimen like Paladino.
Alan Grayson is in a tough race.
What they didn’t experiment on Chimps first?
http://ccare.stanford.edu/overview
I can guess what target Glen Beck will be sending his flying monkeys to next.
well, if they did, they didn’t report on it at this symposium.
I gave up hope when I read that chimpanzees wage war. I figured that means that I can march my heart out, but humans will go to war no matter what. Sheeeyutt. What a species!
Maybe that’s why the right wingers try, via all their bullying, to make it so hard for people to come out.
At that symposium I went to on Friday (with the Dalai Lama about Science, Compassion, and Society) I struck up a conversation at lunch with a woman who had been divorced for 20-something yrs from a guy who came out after they had been married for a decade or so. She was still hurting from it, seemed to me. All that bullying and no concern at all for the collateral damage, let alone the direct damage.
What, did the driver think you were gay?
Or, is the Paladino verve so ugly they threaten and intimidate people who run?
Were you wearing alluring jogging apparel? The kind thats often affiliated with GAY apparel?
I mean.
WHAT THE FUCK why was this asshole flipping you off for?
Is this normal where you live? Did this fuck know who you were?
There’s more to this story Lucy, for us to know . . . . methinks.
The story is greatly intriguing for sure . . . but I can’t help feel somethin’s being left out?
Thers,
Not trying to be an a-hole with this comment, I may have missed it in your thread and comments, but someone nearly missing you with their vehicle that is coming up behind you, means that you were not following the main rule for pedestrians on the edge of roadways, ALWAYS Walk Facing Traffic, so you can see who is approaching you. Had to teach that to a couple of my small children not too long ago. Bicycle and you are a motor vehicle in most states and you ride on the side of the road you would drive your car on.
Doesn’t dismiss the speeding and inattentive driver, but geeze, protect yourself.
This happens to me all of the time here in rural NY-20.
‘Queer’ calls loud enough to make you wobble on your bicycle or leave your front yard for the house. As a former runner, thers, I suggest that you do not let this alter your routine, yet you might want to pay more attention to your surroundings. This is a loss of innocence that I can’t protect you from, sorry. Parts of the world are really mean, hateful, and just as they are unwilling to hear what we have to say, they feel entitled to spew their hatred and drive away with impunity.
I refuse to stop my outdoor activities just because these loudmouth persons take advantage of my public antiwar stand and pacifism. If they think I won’t have them arrested a la Margaret (alright!), they are the ‘stewpid’.
Let’s get outdoors and enjoy the beauty of the season, even if you have to take someone with you or let others know your plans in order to feel safe. Be vigilant but don’t let this stop you from walking, running, traveling, going ‘downtown’, and feeling like you are part of things.
Hold your head up. Refuse to live in fear!
Flipping a pedestrian the bird and being inattentive are mutually exclusive activities. The driver does not get a pass.
I know you people like to turn everything into some kind of political statement but this incident has nothing to do with politics. It does have a lot to do with angry people.
I travel all over the country and spend a good deal of time out west, especially in California. I see people wound up like springs. You can see it in their eyes. Any little thing can set them off. I think its worse in more densely populated places but its like this everywhere.
It has to do much more with economic pressures than politics.
Tinman is a runner too and understands this situation. Fortunately I can run either on trails or very wide streets that are lightly traveled. Not every runner has this luxury.
Greetings!
Not that we hear much about it, but as an example, on January 2, 2008, the Dow Jones closed at 13,338.23. From there it was all downhill, hitting a low in 2008 on November 21, 2008 – closing at 7449.38 (which some people I know used as “evidence” that the election of Obama was horrible)
the Dow closed last Friday at 11,062.78, for a gain since Obama took office of 3,613.40 or about 48.5 %. Now, why don’t we hear about that?
Just curious
And to T Thumb @146
I used to run a lot and still do some. I mix my exercise a bit more these days. Like bbrother, I go rowing, and even in that activity I have to watch out for speeding and drunken boaters at time. I live in a tourist area and have bicycles weaving into the traffic lane and off into the marked parking spaces and back into the traffic lane without checking for oncoming traffic, all the time, for months at a time. If I did that with my vehicle I would likely hit someone or be arrested.
Seasonal visitors walking out between parked cars all the time, instead of using the crosswalks. At least three times a year pedestrians walking two or three abreast in the right lane on a roadway, often at the top of a hill, where I have to come to a complete stop in my vehicle because I cannot see what vehicle might be coming in the other direction on the other side of the crest of the hill.
They are “on vacation,” and who am I to want to drive my vehicle and intrude on their vacation walk. I yield and stop, I am certainly ready to flip these idiots off, but always, I stop and politely say, “it’s a nice day, but someone might not see you as walk over the crest of the hill with your backs to oncoming traffic. Be careful.” They don’t have a friggin’ clue. Business in this area is slow enough, we don’t need to lose paying guests.
Reading Thers narrative, I am wondering if “being about to descend,” might have been a similar crest of the hill situation, the driver could not (did not) pull left without being able to see over the other side of the ridge. I didn’t and don’t excuse the speeding and recklessness or the gesture TT. By protect yourself, I should have stated, “go jogging defensively,” stay on the left when using your feet.
It is nice that this site is here for all of us, including you, to all express our opinions. I for one, even read some of what you write.
I have to tell you though, that I personally am more than a bit annoyed by what seems to be a very disrespectful, dismissive and verging on abusive generalization by you, when you throw around a phrase like the beginning of your comment at 149. “I know that YOU people like to turn …” “You people,” as opposed to what other people are you lumping together there?
Continue commenting please, but at least try for some general respect for all the individuals that frequent this site, that you seemingly want to communicate with.