Like the Atlantic’s Michael Hirschorn, I place the blame for this Lamentable State of Affairs squarely on the nerdy shoulders of the Digital Social Media. Here I follow a recent trenchant article of Hirschorn’s I just read, a totally trenchant article that is totally different from everything else he’s written for the past fucking forever. This totally trenchant article totally proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that what totally ails the print media is totally not that it employs a lot of lazy-ass pundits who keep on recycling totally lightweight gibberish about Digital Social Media and the Sad Decline of Our National Discourse. Like, totally!
In a time when mainstream news organizations have already ceded a substantial chunk of their opinion-shaping influence to Web-based partisans on the left and right, does each side now feel entitled to its own facts as well? And thanks to the emergence of social media as the increasingly dominant mode of information dissemination, are we nearing a time when truth itself will become just another commodity to be bought and sold on the social-media markets? Or, to cast it in Twitter-speak: @glennbeck fact = or > @nytimes fact? More far-reachingly, how does society function (as it has since the Enlightenment gave primacy to the link between reason and provable fact) when there is no commonly accepted set of facts and assumptions to drive discourse?
Deep, dude.
It has not excaped the sallow-eyed, resentful attention of Vicious Leftist Partisans (cough, ahem) that there’s a certain problem here with the lazy depiction of Left and Right by positing a smug Twitterish equation of Glenn Beck and the New York Times. I mean, I’m sure Herschorn was making an attempt at something along the lines of a “joke” — but come on, really?
There is after all a problem with the New York Times, and it’s been a canker for years now. And that un-ointmented canker is that the paper has chronically shown itself all too willing to pass on ludicrous right-wing horseshit, as in, say, oh, Judith Miller.
The burden of the evidence that Herschorn himself presents is that the major problem with our National Discourse is that the right gets a pass for talking crap. The comical “rebuttal” to Herschorn coming from Brent Bozell’s Monkey House makes the point admirably.
The problem is not “social media.” The problem is not even that of Yeats’ fretting about the “center” being able to hold.
The problem is, precisely, that the center is full of shit.
I’d illustrate just how bad things are, chapter and verse, but, well…. Here here is a thought experiment.
Here is Chuck Norris talking about what is wrong with the economy.
Here is Paul Krugman talking about what is wrong with the economy.
Which is closer to the Conventional Received Wisdom of policymakers in both parties?
I rest my fucking case.
(Video unrelated, I just like it.)



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Gee, all this time I thought you were the guy who played Moondog Mayne on the pro wrestling show…
I like the way you f$^#&$% argue your case, counselor. That comparison sums it up nicely.
What kills me is that I’m not remotely joking about the Norris/Krugman thing.
Some damned fine writing here; and thanks for that.
I wouldn’t dismiss what Chuck Norris has to say about the economy so glibly. Getting kicked in the head so many times may have brought about an Altered State of Consciousness, and that way lies Wisdom, right?
THERSday!
I think that is a perfect comparison, but of course journamalistal standards do not let Serious Pundolts actually fact check the people whose opinions they report.
thers!
Chuck Norris is going to roundhouse kick the economy back into shape.
Do you mean sticky, slow moving, or vicious?
Gracias.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPfCUfVhcM
this video has nothing to do with anything
Haven’t heard much of a peep from Krugman regarding how impotent his economic theories are in the face of an economy based on rampant and overt fraud.
I have a cold. I meant “viscous.”
(I’m hell on editors…)
werent his only students The Osmonds?
I should point out that, as we often say in my part of the world, there’s only two things in the middle of the road, yellow stripes and dead skunks.
Me too.
I remember back in the Watergate days, Art Buchwald had a recurring character in his columns, who kept trying to sell screenplays like this in Hollywood:
Writer: OK, I’ve got this great story. You’re gonna love it. There’s this president running for reelection, he’s about twenty-five points up in the polls, and he gets one of his ex-CIA pals to hire a bunch of Cubans to break into the opposition HQ to plant some bugs on their phones. Then . . .
Mogul: Hold it right there. I’m all for fantasy — it’s what we do in Hollywood — but it’s got to be at least remotely believable. What kind of idiot president would even consider a stunt like that?
At Chuck’s age, he’s lucky if he can roundhouse kick a dead ground squirrel under the porch.
okay back to my sveedish movie…must read subtitles,nite all
Terrible in math but, how much is 15 Trillion, the sum Ben Shalom offered to save Wall Street, divided by 100 million American households? Stimulating , or not?
*waving*
i’ll fix it now dood
As many times as he has been kicked in the head, its a miracle if he can see either the squirrel or the porch.
hahahahahahaha…gnite
Night.
Like totally bitchin’, Dewd…! What a gnarly article, Thers…! ;-)
refresh and its fixed thers
Wow! Thers is really Mark Halperin. Who knew?
*waving g’nite to the leaving sleepy folks*
I know…
There you go with your Facts. Do you think Facts are going to change any minds?
If you had tried to sell a science fiction story at that time about how one of the major political parties would embrace ideas and policies to the right of the Birchers in 40 years, they would have laughed at you.
Danke
Not on the right.
Perfect, Thers, couldn’t have said it better myself unless i put it this way…
After 30 years straight of Neo-Libs or Cons in the White House, there ain’t no center left.
That’s our Thers. Most of the rest of us figure that the national discourse can go fuck itself…after all, it’s already fucked everybody else.
OT, but I was quite proud of my graduate theory seminar today. I made them read Levi-Strauss, Chomsky, and Bourdieu for today and nobody’s head exploded.
I hope it gives itself the clap…
ain’t that the truth edp….
I think is already has tertiary syphilis.
Oooh, what Bourdieu?
I cannot tell a lie.*
*For some definitions of “lying.”
That would explain a lot.
A nice Bordieu goes well with filet mignon, I think.
Totally off topic, with apologies to our excellent host: the last of the Chilean rescuers is up on the surface.
Apologies never necessary! We are totally casual here…
I tell ya if we wrap; Buckley’s, Orwell’s, Kafka’s, and, Heinlein’s, carcasses with copper wire, it might light up a city or two…! ;-)
I haz two sads. First click led to Clownhall. Second click had stoopid registration crap to read Nobel Winning Economist.
“Structure and Habitus” from Theory of Practice. Anthropological theory has metastasized to the point where I can’t spend more than one session on any group of theories and still have to leave some out.
Good for them. Blankenship and the BP “brain” trust should be hanging their heads in well-deserved shame.
If it’s any consolation, it seems like the state of linguistic theory is no better. I’m kinda glad that my department just chooses to side with Chomsky (at least on paper) and save a lot of hassle.
No they should resign and retire to a remote and desolate hermitage to do penance for the rest of their lives.
True, and it keeps referring to itself as responsible, adult, reasonable.
I do address some linguistic theory in this class, hence the Chomsky, but it really is nowhere near as diverse as anthropological theory. Still mostly Chomsky with various versions of sociolinguistics and psycholinguistics floating around the edges.
Which is much more appealing than the reality that they are soiled and smelly.
Oh yeah, I forgot that PB began as an anthropologist — he had some stuff to say later on about how fascinating it was that he was obliged to study “savages” before he was allowed to do what he really wanted to do, which was to study the French.
His stuff on Flaubert is what I find most compelling.
And that’s as far as this subject can go without invoking the Wrath of Mods.
Anthropology professors had it so easy back in the Pleistocene period.
One of my favorite Far Side comics had a caveman looking at his son’s report card. “Oh, this get better, F in history… you even flunk something not happen yet!”
But still acting smug as hell. Time was only the truly insane and very old money could get away with that.
I chose my alternative carefully.
There is a long tradition of French anthropologists going out to do fieldwork, being appalled by the lack of smelly cheese and vin ordinaire, and returning to the university never to venture farther than the library from their offices. Levi-Strauss comes to mind.
The center loves what — toys.
Nobody doesn’t like toys.
What has the Obama administration done on toys?
Obama, Aug 2008: “I will work with China to keep harmful toys off our shelves. But I’ll also immediately take steps to ensure that all toys are independently tested before they reach our shores and I’ll significantly increase penalties on companies that break the rules….The more toys we import from China, the more risk to our children.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25288252
Yeah, when I was in graduate school back then, we only had to cover four or five theoretical schools.
hahaha
I miss that comic…
One would assume so, Doc…! ;-)
There are lots of them available online. Larson’s lawyers are apparently less vigilent than they used to be. I searched but couldn’t find the one I was looking for, lots of good ones though. Police at the dance studio, “Some dog apparently waltzed in, grabbed the cat and waltzed back out.”
It used to be much more diverse before Chomsky conquered the linguistic universe. Not much competition these days.
Let’s see…that would be Ice Come Closer, Ice Stay Where It Is, Ice Melt And Drown Us, and Forget Ice, What The Fuck Is That Green Thing?. (The last, of course, was the forerunner of postmodernism.)
Nah, that is interpretivism. Post-Modernism is “what do I think that Green thing is and how does it relate to my positionality?”
That’s not exactly what PB was saying. He was more about the resistance of theorists to the consequences of their own conclusions.
Would you be referring to the Noam-an Conquest?
(cringing) Sorry.
Oh! That is hilarious!
Grooooooan…
What we Marxists refer to as praxis, then. There really is a lot of Marx in Bourdieu’s work.
Ouch!
Hi Christine. Has Autumn struck in your part of the world? In the past 24 hours we’ve begun losing lots of leaves. Back to low 40s tonight, looks like the recent warm spell is over.
I am SO ashamed.
Yes, though not as lovely as last year, it is probably going to be peak weekend. I put pumpkins out but the chipmunks are eating them.
Kinda sorta depends.
I had a simpler biographical point in mind, though. If I can find the reference to the essay I have in mind, I’ll forward it. All I meant was that PB said somewhere that he got interested in the social sciences because he wondered why a guy from the provinces like himself had some opportunities, while others from the capital had more. But when he got into the French higher educational system, he found that you could either study Kabyle houses, or not do anything. So he studied Kabyle houses.
Think I will toddle off. Take care all.
I would like to see it. I have not read a lot of Bourdieu, but as I say there is a lot of influence from or at least congruence with Marx.
g’nite dr dick
Alvin and his gang are such thugs.
When I was a baby my parents would hang my Johnny Jump-up in the doorway and set the record player to repeat the 45 of The Alvin Twist. I’d bounce and gurgle for hours. Saved them lots of money on babysitters…
Niters.
Sign of the times…?
Suu Kyi refuses to vote in election
Here’s the fall event for us this week — a little blog whoring, but should be really interesting.
Thanks!
Wow, you mean the Dems have done such a poor job the resulting malaise is even affecting voters in Myanmar?
Anyone watch the Delaware debate on CNN before they cut out in the first hour?
Nifty pic of the Buddhist monastery on Taung Kalat southwest of Mount Popa (in Burma).
Time for me to power down. Thanks to Thers. Splendid evening to all.
Hi ‘pups. Am I too late to the party?
No, the malaise of the jack-booted heel being applied to one’s throat, is being felt world-wide…! 8-P
You mean O’Donnell actually found her way to the debate site?
Oh, my god, are you my kid???
g’nite rat
She did, but forgot everything except her talking points. Sheesh!
‘night, RF
She must have had them written on her palm, eh?
She was either attack dog or rattled…
Maybe, after you didn’t return for a couple weeks somebody else took me in.
FYI, a Johnny Jump-up and a full diaper are a BAD combination. :)
Aloha, Dr. D and rf…! ;-)
When voting is meaningless…
I wouldn’t think Attack Dog would fit her metier… rattled, that I can completely believe.
I remember those things — are they still around?
Hey, CT … I know you’re Hilo-side, but do you have a read on how Hanabusa is doing on O’ahu?
How about fake attack dog, or, “I must look like I’m really giving him the third degree.”
Johnny Jumpup, Full Diaper…….I remember them well. Hum along with me…….
Dunno, gave up mine after entering my 40s. :)
I don’t know about now, but they were when my boys were little.
That I find completely plausible.
I’m not a witch… jeez.oh.pete.
they were 20 years ago.. stephanie rode out the ’89 loma prieta quake hanging in a doorway.. she was 10 months old and the only person not freaked out at her babysitter’s
i totally understand why she now loves roller coasters
My 3 year old granddaughter had a Johnny Jumper and loved it. Her mother did, too. My little twin grandsons didn’t have one……but one of them was born knowing how to throw a classic choke hold. Life is interesting.
That is funny and scary! I didn’t learn to love roller coasters until my 40′s.
took jennifer on her first roller coaster when she was 6 weeks old.. she was very secure strapped into her baby pack on my chest. stephanie’s dad ‘absolutely forbid’ me to do the same with steph but… karma gave her a ride anyway
“Twitterish” … pardon me while I place that in my lexicon. Love the video! Someone had to have worked verrrrry hard to get that seamless-sounding track of Ron and Nancy. :)
On the OP’s topic – agree Michael Hirschorn is not on point – and indeed misses the point.
But as CATO (Norris link) suggested cuts, here I am – I think – with Jane’s view that there are those in other flavors of politics that we can work with issue by issue. CATO has a “to be cut” list and the left needs a list, while understanding that those cuts for the next two years go into infrastructure programs. Admittedly a bit like Mid-East peace attempts, but there is always a possibility that rational thought may guide both sides and we get farm subsidies that are welfare checks to big Ag companies cut, as we cut toys for boys called Generals, retire 2/3rds the officer corp, and reduce our military to “only 500,000″ troops and 5 “fleets” as we build up our Coast Guard. Well – a guy can dream.
My fave is still the boneless chicken ranch….
Build the Corps of Engineers and put them in charge of infrastructure development. Keep them away from rivers, though, other than bridging them.
I just love Chuck Norris. He reminds me so much of junior high school.
If you google the title you can get a cached version you can read without registering and/or logging in.
It’s nice to see that Townhall finally hired some editors to proofread Chuck…
It’s tedious enough trying to make sense of whatever the hell he’s trying to say without the spelling and grammatical errors…
Phenomenal! Best set-up for the best closing I’ve read in a while!
I doubly enjoyed the “salty” language. Being a Bostonian with 40 years of city living under my belt, my new west coast friends blanch when I accentuate such critical points of dialog with gritty selections from the Anglo-Saxon lexicon.
Kudos! Let’s see if the lesson supplied sticks!