Two interesting articles. The first, from The Nation, argues that the reason the Obama has not been the “transformational” president of popular belief is that there is no such thing as transformational presidents.
scholars downplay the notion that the specific candidates and their campaigns have as big an impact on the outcome as journalists suggest. While the election narratives stress the horse race between candidates, scholars point to broader forces that move the electorate at the ballot box. Indeed, in the most recent election, a majority of political scientists agreed that President Bush’s abysmal approval ratings combined with the poor economic conditions dictated that almost any competent Democrat would have won.
On the other hand, scholars have also been more interested in how institutional pressures will limit new presidents rather than seeing elections as moments of great opportunity. Without fundamental reforms in government, presidencies don’t vary as greatly as we think. For example, the enormous role of private money in the election process means interest groups will be as influential in new term as they were during what preceded.
I think that’s true — any Democratic president would have had trouble with the “institutional pressures” of our ridiculous Senate and its shithead rules, for instance. And the point about “private money in the election process” is indisputable.
But then, I’m not sure you can’t put everything down to “institutional factors.” To be blunt, if you want to be a transformational figure, you need to advocate for transformational policies, and this administration has not done that sufficiently, to my liking. DADT, torture, real regulatory reform, HAMP, stupid wars not ending…
But then again, what chance was there ever that the Democratic Party as it is presently constituted would have ever allowed anyone genuinely transformational anywhere near chief executive power? The Nation‘s “without fundamental reforms in government” presupposes the overthrow of at least one of the major political parties on the part of people who don’t want to get rich ‘n powerful by maintaining the status quo. Hahahahaha.
Which brings me by commodious vicus of biliousness back to this garbage from The Hill:
Obama’s comments tomorrow will be an unremembering. A way of “putting it behind us.” A way of “moving on,” by which he means going back to the ’90s or the ’70s or the ’60s or the 1930s. For us and for the next president, 9/11 and the ensuing conflicts will be seen as a vast beginning: Think of Normandy or Cemetery Ridge. Think of Trafalgar, which suddenly gave England her best 100 years just when she thought she was spent. Better still, think even of Bethlehem and Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple Mount in 70 A.D., which gave the world a new creation that would ride for 2,000 years.
Nah.
In all of these weirdly assembled examples, the behavior of key historical actors actually changed, and key historical forces either became irrelevant or became something else. The absurdity of citing important military victories on the part of specific states as equivalent to a security breakdown leading to a terrorist victory by crazy non-state loons ought to be apparent. The idea that 9/11 is like the birth of Jesus is the sort of horseshit I would only accept if you could write poetry as well as Yeats, which you probably can’t.
9/11 changed nothing. It should have, but it did not. It encouraged the most foolish and reactionary forces in American governance to launch brainless military expeditions. It perpetuated a persistent “us v them” strain in American political discourse that can be cheaply exploited by lunatic hucksters.
The point is that 9/11 had no real impact on the general direction of the foreign policy of the United States, except to make it more counterproductive.
Bin Laden seems to have a fucking shrewd grasp of the American bigotry oh excuse me I meant polity.
Look, the terrorists won. And I say this not as a Dirty Fucking Hippie, but as a Royally Pissed Off Patriotic Dirty Fucking Hippie.



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I’m quite sure Obama has destroyed the Democratic Party.
But not every Democratic president would have rolled over for it and then come back and begged for more. He’s reached out over and over, just to have his hand slapped down and then he does it again. At some point a sane and smart person would figure out that putting his hand into a fire is going to burn it. Every. Single. Time. He’s not stupid and he’s not insane so I can only conclude that he wants to get burned. He wants “compromises” that would have been Newt Gingrich’s wet dream.
saTHERSday nite live (again)
THERSaturday Night Fever!
Thank you. And good evening.
Amen, mon ami.
“Let’s see . . . how do we get the American’s to give up the rule of law, the better part of a millennium of adherence to the Magna Carta, the absolute recognition of habeas corpus, and put up with long line at airport security? Oh, wait . . . I’ve got it.”
9/11 changed nothing.
Exactly. It was an act no different than Oklahoma City or the Atlanta Olympics and should have been treated and remembered as such. It was not an attack by Islam on America any more than the other two were attacks by Christianity. These are all politically motivated whackjobs supported by loose networks of political and religious extremists.
Sorry, but the DLC and Bill Clinton did that long before Obama ever got into politics.
Oy, mom is at a wedding, I am at sixes and sevens.
Heh. Try being a single parent for real sometime (I do not recommend it).
I think The Nation is just making excuses for Obama. Bush’s problems weren’t caused by “institutional pressures” and for that same reason nor are Obama’s. Bush was transformational, just in a negative way while Obama is following that same trajectory of bringing negative change and perpetuating the negative policies of Bush. Obama himself is responsible for dictating that he can unilaterally assassinate citizens without trial and for perpetuating indefinite detention just as it was Obama who cut the deal with PhRMA behind closed doors. “Institutional pressures” is just a phrase to let Obama off scot-free.
While I am not delighted with Obama and agree with Margaret that he should be pushing harder and abandoning “bipartisanship,” Obama really does face institutional hurdles that Bush did not. Bush never faced lockstep opposition to every single initiative the way Obama does. Bush also had better support within his own party (he did not have to deal with renegade Bauchuses, Nelsons, Landrieaus, etc.).
thers, i love your title… and i’m a Royally Pissed Off Patriotic Dirty Fucking Hippie too
Pardon his French…
It’s quite polite actually.
Here’s ya some French post title to pardon:
Aujourd’hui: après les conneries – tous les chats se font baiser
I would if I could understand it.
That is trus, misfortunately.
per bablefish: Evening: After the flood – the night all the cats are gray
As I wrote in Scarecrow’s thread – none of this makes sense if you assume Obama and his brain trust let themselves get outplayed by the Republicans. If you assume they’re con artists, or otherwise corrupt individuals who are only out for profit for themselves, it makes perfect sense.
True, dammit.
Obama has been a major disappointment (which is saying something as I never had really high expectations), but he faces formidable hurdles getting things done (which he sadly refuses to even confront or challenge).
Yup. I have no doubt that French is a beautiful and historically important language, but I couldn’t count to three in it if you put a Super Soaker to my head.
Almost had it, just couldn’t pull it together in a way that made sense.
Which reads like assembly instructions translated from Chinese to English by Koreans.
I suspect it should be “At night, …”, but who knows. Google translate gives the same result, BTW.
The post title is comprised of two cliches.
A brain trust with blinders on.
Have you ever wondered why Bill Davis’ (clearly English) gentleman’s gentleman was named Mr. French? These are the questions that keep me awake at night.
When you’re getting your asses handed to you, you take the blinders off. “Brain trust with different goals from those stated” would be my hypothesis.
Ah, kind of like the American political system.
The loose English rendering should be “after the amazing transformation, nothing happened!” Idiomatically. And so forth.
You clearly overestimated us this time…
AMEN…………..
I think what we are seeing is also explainable in terms of Obama being exactly what he presented himself as: a moderate centrist with a firm commitment to bipartisanship (which is what I think he had in mind as being transformational) and a technocratic approach to governance. He relies heavily on advisers he considers experts (mostly from Clinton’s administration), who have not always served him well. I also do not think he is comfortable with radical change.
It’s that damn Mrs. Beasley that gives me the shudders.
ACK! Why did you have to bring her up? Now I will never sleep tonight.
saTHERSday night!
I like that phrase … “Royally Pissed Off Patriotic Dirty Fucking Hippie.” me too. also.
The commiefrenchterror thing clearly wasn’t working. The Evil Doll seemed necessary, if imprudent.
Mwahaha!
imo…its the Kabuki game…nobody is supposed to win,cept the banksters and family
“Obama really does face institutional hurdles that Bush did not”
Yeah, Obama had the wind at his back with his party controlling both houses of Congress including having a veto-proof majority in the Senate while Bush governed into a headwind. This means Obama and the Democrats have to come up with excuses – such as “bipartisanship” and “60 votes.” We see things where Obama claims to be compromising in the name of bipartisanship so something good has to come out legislation even though it is clear that the Republicans aren’t going along, Obama keeps the “compromise” in the legislation even though no Republicans went along – the alleged compromise being merely cover.
“Bush also had better support within his own party (he did not have to deal with renegade Bauchuses, Nelsons, Landrieaus, etc.).”
That is if you believe it was opposition rather than just kabuki. It was with Baucus that Obama cut the covert PhRMA deal and Rahm’s Chief of Staff was Baucus’s former Chief of Staff and they met regularly. Alternatively look at the Dorgan amendment where the WH actively fought to kill it – the WH was the “institutional pressure.” It has also been the WH that has actively fought to protect their alleged intra-party opposition…take for instance the Democratic primary with Blanche Lincoln where the WH went out of the way to support Lincoln’s re-election bid and then gloated once she won. The WH is arranging their own “institutional pressures” such as with the Catfood Commission.
heydare ratty!
This is true:
This is slightly off:
9.11, to my mind, provided a weak and illegitimate President and his corrupt administration the opportunity to push the country farther to the right than it would have traveled had 9.11 not happened. Bush and his crew “changed everything” insofar as the Bush administration expanded the powers of the President to such an extent that it became prudent to consider a possible American dictatorship. It ‘changed little’ insofar as the security-surveillance component of the American system made the Bush usurpation a feasible response to an expensive, deadly but not overly dangerous attack on the county. The real danger to the United States? The corruption of American politics and political institutions.
If I hadn’t read about all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans during the health care bill process, I might have come over to that point of view. Unfortunately, what goes on behind the scenes is vastly different from what we’re told by the Administration. And, in the end, by that interpretation you have to accept that the GOP leadership is smarter, which I find difficult to accept. I don’t think they’re dummies, mind you, but most of these guys are pros, and the mistakes the Democrats made have been the sort you expect from amateurs.
Assuming, of course, that they wanted a different outcome.
i agree with everything you typed
lets not forget GGs rolling villains
You know it was Mrs. Beasley who got Buffy hooked. She was the biggest dealer on Park Avenue at the time.
they were well rewarded for their efforts
Hi sadly, pats and scritches to Baz, horsie and the gang.
there was an article in The New Yorker a few weeks back about how dysfuntional the senate is. It’s a wonder anything gets done there. (so if your waiting for a specific bill in two weeks like DADT, good luck, unless there’s a deal in the wings.) That’s not to excuse anyone but it makes me wonder if a parliametary form of government is not as crippled by rules and shit heads in your own party who stand in your way. Then again, the UK is not running transformational leaders either. That sort of thing will be rare, I suspect.
As to 9/11, hate was in the air after that. It has driven us to two never ending wars. One of them, at least, was just for fun and a trillion dollars.
thanks,pecks and underwing scritches to Bob
damn…in FRANCE…..en France…………..peeps MARCHE!
Looks like Rahm gets to be mayor of Chicago, and Obama will be rich someday (much like Clinton, I suspect). Many of the other principals have been doing well already. My guess there has been that this had as much to do with protecting their assets ;) as it has with receiving greater rewards.
UPDATE: That link I added has to do with Congress, but the logic applies equally to Summers, Geithner, et. al.
true?
What I saw and read about the behind the scenes operations was simply more of his “bipartisan” approach: trying to get all the interested parties to buy in and find a middle ground. I do not think it is a very sensible approach and it was doomed from the outset, but I do not see any evidence for any nefarious schemes or massive deception. I frankly do not think that Obama was particularly wedded to any given outcome as long as he could “bring everyone together.”
It may be off a little, but very little. Hate is rampant in this country. Look at the trouble over the mosque/community center in lower Manhattan, and the rise of the teas and the Kochs. You can see it in their faces.
i read a list on DU of salaries for CEOs in insurance and pharma industries…you r eyes will pop out of your head………….status quo baby
Think I will toddle off. Take care all.
bring them together for MANDATED insurance…………less than zero sum game
g’nite dr dick
Nah, I made it up. It is true that Mrs. Beasley was Chuckie’s mom.
seems ,there is little sense of community,guess its too much like COMMUNE………..g
The Nation has it about right. Our system, by design, does not allow for transformational Presidents.
A few times in our history Presidents holding office in transformational times have managed to give the appearance of being the primary mover when, in fact, for the most part they were along for the ride.
Niters.
Saying he was OK with a public option after he ruled it out behind the scenes isn’t deceptive? How? Baucus’ bill was the solution from the git-go. All the other stuff, like Obama insisting he was going to let Congress draft up the bill and present it to him, was utter lies.
Goodnight, Dr. D.
blew that one…………g
BHO is just mediocre,no Amadeus period
“Look, the terrorists won. And I say this not as a Dirty Fucking Hippie, but as a Royally Pissed Off Patriotic Dirty Fucking Hippie.”
OK Thers all those things I thought you were responsible for like the economy going into the black hole, the murderous wars, the rule of crime instead of the rule of law etc. you are reprieved. G)
Obama didn’t have to transform. He just had to put things back the way they were. That would have satisfied most folks. He likes things the way they are now, if his actions are what define him at least.
Just a Hoover (I’ve personally named a lot of damns after him). I don’t think there is an FDR waiting in the wings, unfortunately.
ya know he really is Solieri like,he has no pluck to him
he is a big bore
evening, firegurts
Well, I would guess Japanese-Americans are glad to hear that.
It’s been a long time since I saw the movie, but I seem to remember that Solieri wished that he could have done better. If that’s right, the analogy fails there.
Obama presidency explained here.
i believe he was kings brown noser,and regrets came in old age
Obama’s internment camps will be reserved for his political opponents on the Left.
rotflmao,never saw that
Poverty sucks and there is and will be more of it. NYT article on 20% more homeless. Think of what they do not have that is required for productive life. Think of college debt for which no jobs will be available to pay that debt. Think of homes lost. Businesses lost. Obama is extending the Bushco disaster. The earlier post offers many strategies to initiate a turn around but Dems seem unwilling to do anyhing but reach across the aisle and make excuses or pretty talk.
One of my favorite lines early in the Obama presidency was:
“I WISH Obama acted like the right wing thinks he is acting.That Obama sounds great.”
Yep, and the GOP, too. It’s like neither wants to govern effectively.
eggszactly!
Then it sounds applicable…
Failing that, I wish we could have charged a surtax for every time one of those guys called something Obama
didwasn’t planning on doing “socialist” or “fascist”. The government would be running at a surplus right now.says it all so simply doesn’t it
Just goes to show how ludicrous reality is that it actually seems plausible.
Time for Bobby and me to call it a night. Wishing a pleasant evening to all.
it fails as BHO is at his pinnacle, and does not seem jealous…justway too comfortable
I like that too.
Edit: That was to Suz at 85, agreeing with Spocko
g’nite rat and bob
sweet dreams dearheart
Goodnight, ratfood. And Bob.
hahahaha!
Hey I don’t know if you all saw my diary today.
Stop Kids From Eating Cancer Causing Shrimp? Not My Job!
It’s about the White House, FDA and the seafood industry working with chefs to push Gulf seafood. The senior scientist at NRDC says that the testing protocols aren’t good enough and it puts kids, pregnant women and people who eat a lot of gulf seafood at risk. They are planing a big “eat Gulf Seafood!” shindig on Monday with celebrity chefs.
In the comments someone suggested that I contact the chefs and ask them if they are away that they shouldn’t be serving the seafood to children and pregnant women.
I was wondering what you folks think of that Idea.
morpheus,implores…good nite
Well, I will agree Obama is no Mozart. Thank goodness.
It can’t be both ways. If “almost any competent Democrat would have won,” then private money didn’t play an “enormous role.”
I would concede that private money played a big role in making sure that no progressive was viable in the primaries
saw it on the front page today!
yea,he is non harmonious……….g
nite sadly
g’nite sadly
Good idea. (But check the spelling of “aware”.)
BTW, excellent diary.
For my part, I wonder if there’s any level of testing that would make me confident, at least in the short run. There were a number of samples done of different species at different locations.
I think I’d be more comfortable if I knew they were making spot inspections of catches as they were turned in. The levels we’re talking about aren’t immediately harmful, if I’m reading this right. The main question is whether people will be affected by repeated exposure to this seafood.
Or am I missing something?
Goodnight, sadlyyes.
I don’t care if he “wins” on any issue immediately. I want the chickenshit motherfucker to ADVOCATE the right things to do from his bully pulpit, over and over and over and over and over again. Embarrass every apologist and appeaser of the malefactors of great wealth to the entire population of the U.S. by LISTING THE FACTS over and over and over until everyone has them memorized. Whose fault is it? Why is trickle-down stupid? Why is torture wrong? Who is preventing bringing the war criminals to justice? Who is standing in the way of you and a job? How is the media responsible? Why are high tax rates on rich people good for you and me and your children? How Wall Street is corrupt to the core, and LESS IMPORTANT than Main Street. Why privacy is crucial to freedom and democracy, and why fear is for crybabies. etc etc etc
So even if he loses the immediate legislative battles, everyone will KNOW who prevented progress and doing the right thing. And the next time the issues come up, there will be a higher probability of progress. But Job Number 1 is to FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT. That’s why you should have run for President. And I don’t think I’m asking too much. I think it would be inspirational to the majority of the populace.
I really like the way you think!
I guess you must not have been around here last Spring for the denouement of the health-care ‘reform’ sham – the behavior that made it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that Obama was a full-fledged corporate shill rather than merely the timid, incompetent compromiser that some of his apologists still keep suggesting he is.
This was after Ted Kennedy’s Massachusetts Senate seat was lost to Scott Brown, eliminating the ability to terminate a Republican-bloc filibuster during normal Senate business. So, in order to be able to pass SOMETHING that they could try to pass off as health-care reform (and given that the House was not willing to pass the version already passed by the Senate without making some improvements) the party grudgingly resorted to doing so via reconciliation, and the myth that HCR could not be passed without 60 Senate votes was finally revealed for the pathetic excuse for eviscerating the bill that it always had been – since now only 50 Senate votes (plus Biden’s tie-breaker if necessary) would be required.
Progressives immediately began rounding up Senate support for resurrecting the Public Option and came up with 52 – 54 Senators who had previously expressed support for it and could reasonably be expected to do so again if encouraged to. Dick Durbin even pledged to ‘whip aggressively’ for it in the Senate if the House included it in the reconciliation package that it sent there. Obama’s alleged reason for failing to support the PO during Senate deliberations that previous fall because he was seeking bi-partisan support disappeared (it was by then absolutely clear that no Republicans would be voting for ANY HCR bill anyway).
The way seemed clear to taking the deeply-flawed package that the Senate had already passed, having the House pass it as it was in order to get those aspects that could NOT be passed via reconciliation into law, and then fixing most of its flaws – including the lack of any Public Option – in the reconciliation package that the House (which had already proved willing to pass a version of the bill that included the Public Option) sent to the Senate (as had been done in earlier decades both with significant aspects of HCR as well as other areas at least tangentially related to the budget). Over 60 progressive House members who had pledged, in writing, to oppose any HCR bill that did not include a Public Option were worried that if they abandoned that pledge to pass the Senate version of the bill the Senate might not then pass the fixes that would make breaking that pledge reasonable, but Obama showed none of his reluctance to arm-twist that he had showed earlier when the Senate was eviscerating the bill and got every single one of them to cave in (without, as far as we know, giving them any such assurances at all in return).
Then, despite the fact that Obama had campaigned supporting a strong Public Option and had continued to voice support for it right through the start of the Senate deliberations (though, as noted above, assiduously avoided actually DOING anything to support it during those deliberations), he now worked with Pelosi and Reid to ensure that it would NOT be included in the reconciliation package which the House sent to the Senate and would NOT be voted upon as an amendment during the Senate deliberations on that package. Not in pursuit of bi-partisanship. Not because the votes weren’t there. Just because in actuality he had NEVER wanted it included and had in fact quietly assured the industry the previous Summer that it would not be: it was merely a sop to progressives to keep them from raising Cain about his having kept a single-payer solution (“Medicare for All”) completely off the table (all the while earnestly assuring the country that ALL solutions were ‘on the table), and once it had done that job it was discarded.
That, my friend, is treachery, pure and simple. Not failure to over-ride obstructionism. Not even abject incompetence. Treachery. And this is only the most glaring example: it’s also evident (though somewhat more difficult to demonstrate conclusively) in his handling of financial ‘reform’, in his handling of so many rights-related issues (Guantanamo, DADT, rendition, extrajudical assassination…), in his handling of Iraq (where he managed to quash a referendum last Summer that would have FORCED us to leave and then a year later executed a sham withdrawal that leaves 50,000 troops and 70,000 mercenaries there), in his refusal to prosecute ANYONE for the war crimes (and crimes under U.S. law) perpetrated under Bush – the list goes on and on, and Hugh has been kind enough to enumerate many of the high points at http://obamascandalslist.blogspot.com/2009/10/table-of-contents.html if you need to brush up on them.
This man is a weasel, and every bit as much of a traitor to his oath of office as Bush was. He entered office having explicitly campaigned as being a transformational president and with massive progressive support for carrying out that pledge. It’s not as if he tried to and failed: he did not try at all. It’s not even as if he just decided not to try because he thought it too risky or too difficult. What he’s done is given Bush and Cheney a third term under a nominal Democrat who can actually dare to create the kinds of abuses (now about to include the initial stages of dismantling of Social Security and Medicare) that a Republican could not (sort of the evil analogue of Nixon’s ability to go to China).
That’s about as complete an education as I can provide in a single late-night post. Hope it helps.
Obama as victim and innocent bystander now? This is a pathetic cop-out by The Nation. Any Democrat could have won and because of money interests nothing will ever change regardless of who is elected President. Why even have elections? Just appoint a committee of corporate CEO’s to oversee the country.
Yeah, Obama says he can unilaterally assassinate people without trial and he’s somehow the victim and an innocent bystander just doesn’t add up. If we’re going to have the Innocent Bystander Theory used to explain Obama, then conversely it shouldn’t matter who is elected President or even as you point out that we have a President at all.
Right on, bro (I like to resonate as a DFH). That’s what I keep saying to people who counter weakly “well, he’d just threaten the party by shooting for the moon” or “but it would never get through Congress”. Sheesh.
while they are definitely con artists out to redistribute wealth upwards as much as possible i think they are operating on the assumption that America will have to be a police state when the oil runs out. What is so disheartening is that they appear to be stealing as much as possible for themselves but are giving nary a thought to the infrastructure changes that will be required for us to survive. They really don’t give a shit. 10 years or so…