You’d think, maybe, the best way to respond to Terrorism is to not run around with a damp spot in the crotch of your Dockers all the damn time. The goal of “terrorists,” you see, is to inflict “terror” — stop me if I’m going too fast here — and so maybe, just maybe, it would not be a particularly good idea to constantly act “terrified.” It’s a theory!
But not a theory to which Andy McCarthy subscribes. This is perhaps because (a) acting hysterical on the Wingnut Internet beats a real job all to hell, and (b) he’s a genuine nut for whom the concept of “behaving responsibly” is utterly foreign.
A tectonic shift is in motion: How fitting that its focal point is Ground Zero, the inevitable fault line between Islam and the West.
He means that the proposed Islamofascist Swimming Pool of Islamofascist Death is located in the very general vicinity of where the Two Towers were destroyed by deranged religious shitheads of the Muslim class nine years ago tomorrow, and that this is making Real Americans all of a sudden very queasy and terrified about Muslims in general as opposed to just the deranged terrorist shitheads. If this strikes you as a grotesquely oversimplified thesis, well, buckle up:
Only the blink of an eye ago, uttering the unpleasant truth that in terms of doctrine there is no such thing as “moderate Islam” resulted in one’s banishment from what our opinion elites like to call the “mainstream,” by which they mean the narrow-minded, viciously defended circle of their own pieties and fictions. You could say it, but your skin had better have an extra coat or two of thick: You were in for a fusillade of rage, the likes of which our candor-phobic elites would never dream of unleashing at our Islamist enemies — no matter how clearly those enemies announced their intention to destroy us.
Andy McCarthy thinks sensible people are “enraged” at him just because they say “what the fuck are you talking about?” His perception of this response is inaccurate. Sensible people merely tend to become irritated at nonsense.
This is because the idea that “in terms of doctrine there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam’” is gibberish. It is, indeed, precisely the kind of charge that could be leveled at any doctrine or ideology. I could just as easily prove that “defining yourself as a Conservative leads inexorably to a tendency to make an ass of yourself on the Internet,” for instance. Probably it’d be even easier.
Either you accept that someone is to be judged not by a jaundiced deontological inquisition into their Foundational Belief System, but by the content of their character, to very loosely paraphrase Glenn Beck, I think it was, or you think otherwise, in which case you start babbling a lot of horseshit at NRO. I mean please.
“Moderate Islam” is a dream, not a reality. It is a dream with potential, because there are millions of Muslims who are moderate people, and because there are dedicated Muslims working to transform their faith into something that is institutionally moderate. But they work against great odds. They confront Islamists whose dedication to theocratic principles is deeply and undeniably rooted in Islamic scripture. And they confront American opinion elites who, wittingly or not, serve as the lifeline of the Islamists.
Oh, bullshit. If you honestly believe that “in terms of doctrine there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam,’” what you are quite bluntly saying is that every Muslim on Earth, or more to the point, in America, either has to convert or become an atheist or accept forevermore that Real Americans will be perfectly justified in considering you a traitor who is likely to walk into a mall and suicide bomb it at any fucking minute. Or that you should be ashamed at even bothering to suggest you might have the right to do what you want with your own private property a couple of blocks away from where people you didn’t know and had no connection with did something unspeakable.
That’ll sure convince them to Like Us — if we are the US that McCarthy thinks we are, which I hope to fuck we’re not.
McCarthy’s column is full of sneering at “elites,” like this chinless fuck is a fucking fireman or something. Well, feel free to cover yourself in the street cred of the People, the True National People — because when it comes to an educated fellow determined to whip up popular dislike of a selected minority, there’s a Proud History of that sort of thing, Andy, my man.
Nice company you keep, asshole.




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Happy Thersday!
Thersday!
wedTHERSday nite!He longs to be fucked by a Big Muslim Cock.
Like all “Conservatives.”
Wow. I liked Andy McCarthy a lot better when he was still working with Edgar Bergen.
THERSday!
By Mad Andy’s logic, based on the Koran burners, Pat Robertson, Robert Rudolph, Operation Rescue and the like, there is no such thing as “moderate Christianity.” It is just a dream.
Evening all.
I apologize for the bad language.
I should never have said “deontological.”
I am most heartily ashamed.
There certainly seems to be no such thing as “moderate idiocy” in Andyland.
fork — i’m gonna have to go look that one up now…
Moderation is not allowed at NRO.
I debated linking it, but since I didn’t link “horseshit” I didn’t think it was fair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics
you potty mouth you (laughing)
Oh, right–what was I thinking?
Neither are comments, to be fair.
I’m impressed. And here I thought “deontological” had something to do with breath mints.
Those too.
You’re forgiven.
Now go take a shower. After wallowing in the muck like McCarthy’s column, you need to lather, rinse, and repeat at least three or four times.
Don’t forget the bleach. You want to kill all of those nasty bugs.
Just stopping by to say that I’m not dissing you guys but I’ve had some other priorities the last couple of weeks at this time of night. Should be back around soon though. Goodnight. :)
g’nite margaret
Ooooh. What’s his/her name?
Andy McCarthy has cooties?
Bad and ugly ones.
I changed a lot of diapers in my day. But now the youngest is potty trained, so perhaps I’ll have less perspective on wingnuts, going forward…
Just watched Jon Stewart wipe his ass with DNC top pol chair Kaine.
some wingnut scrub
With moisturizers, even! Also.
ubetcha
Unless/until the oldest hands you a grandkid.
*g*
Man, this thread died out fast. Do I have dandruff?
Time for me to toddle off. I have my history of theory class in the morning and need to be at least semi-coherent. Take care all.
GAH!
All right, need to sleep now, thanks for the nightmares, pally…
;)
i think it was my wingnut scrub that did it….
g’nite dr dick
g’nite thers
There’s also a long line at that podium these days. Of course, once you get to that podium, The True National People just seem to throw Benjamins at you, so it’s no wonder the line is so long.
WANT! Can I find that at Costco???
We aim to please.
our very own mary mac created that …
Gotta save that picture. Something tells me it may get a bit more use around here.
tis a keeper for sure peter
Why is it so hard for these boobs to stretch the imagination just a teensy bit to where the argument could turn on them? I just don’t get it. Although I am an enormously judgmental person by nature, I know to check it because it WILL BITE ME IN THE ASS.
Grand Ma Suzanne!!! A big Congratulations from all of us Suz!!! The first one.. what a great event that will be… but ya have a long way if ya think you are going to catch up to me sweetie a long way…./s
thanks nahant — you had more kids than i did to start with dood — no wonder you have so many grandkids
Neither is proofreading, evidently.
sooooo??
You mean like this?
*g* my first baby is having her first baby so its very special indeed
I love that even more than the religious traditions I substituted while I was thinking about it!
I think I missed something — Grandma Suzanne?
Congrats!!
thanks peterr — jen is expecting in early to mid april.
I may have told you that I’m going to be the Mother of the Groom?
Just tell Andy that moderate Islam is the state religion of the two Islamic Republics — Iraq and Afghanistan — that US troops are dying to defend, and US taxpayers are paying hundreds of billions for. That’ll calm him down.
ROFL!
Suz we truly wish you, daughter and her family the very best… Oh and lots of Love ☺ ☺ ☺
you did — twas such a celebratory lln thread last night. i think we all benefited from celebrating some good news
Rick Santorum – Repooplican
Scalia (n.) : Dried santorum.
Just a pinch between the cheeks and buns
Poofter’s froth
The pennsylvania enema bandit
Unsanitary Santorum
Rick is here to do his duty or yours
Brown squirt
Rick “It ain’t chocolate milk” Santorum
Frothing a cake with a paper knife
Frothing at the mouth conservative
thanks babe
Thanks, Suzanne!
I missed hearing this, congratulations!
(A tree branch fell and knocked out our cable)
yikes margot — how long did it take before they got ya connected again? i can only handle no tubes no tv no phone for only so long…
Thanks Margot! How are you? We’ve had low temps, and MrCE and I are watching The Choir!
Every American believes this whether they are aware of it or not as it reflects in Ther behavior whether it is a conscious or unconscious action. therfore ontology is not a recapitulation of phiologony and the status quo remains in question…if you get my drift or thers.
yeah about 3 minutes … I know I would go crazy real quick… gotta have my Inter TOOBS….
when faced with no tv or no tubes i would take no tv in a heartbeat
Suz,
It took about 6 hours I think to get it working.
Chris,
It’s cool and lovely here. I am going to make my first batch of navy bean soup tomorrow:)
(confer with wingnut relatives on that) Hi SB
Oh the tv came back on in about an hour. I wanted phone and internet, but ah well.
Hi bb. I remember a ton of maxims/aphorisms that my parents drilled into me as a child, but somehow that “walk a mile in his shoes” dealio really stuck. Not to mention that ever-popular “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”
Well toddling off Pups… nitey nite all..
Oh, mercy, that is just priceless. I thought we were done with all of that sort of talk in 2005, around four years too late, in my estimation.
No matter where you come down on this political debate, do you think that Muslims see ‘the inevitable fault line’ at the WTC site? How about the kind of Muslims who want to kill Americans, the kind who carried out 9/11? Because it doesn’t matter where you see the ‘fault line’ when the people who want to kill you see it somewhere else.
If I had to give a snap judgment, I’d say the fault line is probably in the West Bank and Gaza. Maybe it’s in Tehran if you are an Iranian or an American who was alive in 1979, or in Lebanon if you were a Palestinian refugee whose kids and wife got a taste of Sharon’s justice in the camps. If you’re a kid in Baghdad, it’s probably there.
My best guess, however, is that the fault line is somewhere in the goddamn Middle East.
g’nite nahant
The parents seem like very nice folks giving you all the kindness advise lucky you and your sibs. Am feeling awfully nice lately in spite of myself (there is some deeper meaning in that from a yogi point of view) and thank you for the insite,
probably feeling good cause I rowed an hour and forty minutes followed by a 70 minutes of yoga. (endorphins gone wild)
Sleep good and happy hockey puck to ya.
My parents did a great job, and I was the sole beneficiary as only child. I had lots of stuff I had to undo, with a Catholic, military upbringing, but even the bits I had to trim away served me well. I’m with ya on the yoga. I just came across a calendar that noted my first yoga class in Oct.’96 and I’ve been hooked with the same teacher since then.
Nice a great practice no doubt. So you are flexible in more ways than one.