Eli!

eli!

Egreg! Suz!

I am totally wiped out now. And more than a little freaked…

Nuts to us?

Hi, Eli.

Hi, Jim.

me too. forking scary reading eli — thanks for putting this all together

I’d say “My pleasure”, but, well…

Thoroughly outstanding post. Must be distributed far and wide. Thank you for this.

We need to change “nut” to fanatic then add the label Christian to it.

Thanks, I hope so. It was a bear to put together. There were even more crazies than I remembered, and I probably still left out a whole bunch.

the guy who flew his plane into the IRS office building?

Too bad the liberal secular humanist hippies didn’t have guns

Evidently right-wing bloggers don’t know me very well. In fact most of my urbanite liberal friends enjoy target shooting with me, and a few of them own their own guns as well.

I’m suspecting this might end up being an age-gap issue. I don’t know very many 30-something liberals who are all that anti-gun nutty, and mostly just respond with initial confusion as to what the point is to my owning them. A simple response of, “I wanted something to do that I had to take very seriously, and be safe and respectful to a fault, that I could practice and get better at.” They know I have no musical talent, and I’ve failed four times to learn to play the guitar, so they get that it’s just a random quest for that elusive, but gratifying feeling… mastery.

I thought about him but left him off as a little too ambiguous. Even his anti-IRS angst was not so much about “keep your gummint hands off my money” as outrage against the unfairness of the tax code and how little the rich have to pay.

Ah, but do you take your guns to church like a good Christian should?

Eli! You have to know that these right wingnuts are hoping, praying for a Progressive to snap and kill some innocent people, then it will all be okay because there will be equivalence see?

Not sure, but it’s possible that more U.S.ians have died from acne than from terrorism in the last couple of decades.

There are crazies who we don’t know about yet like the ones who seem to think mosques are legitimate targets.

Meh, if I still went to church. I realize I’m Catholic whether I want to be or not (what with all that Jesuit education and being confirmed), but while it would be a strange place to take a gun, I wouldn’t not do it out of it offending my own sensibilities.

One-off?

As in ‘amateurish one-off’ terrorism attempt.

When is the Lying Right Wing Media going to get sued for inciting the weak minded with constant Wormtonguing?

(Lord of the Rings Reference)

You can’t yell fire in a crowed theatre if there is no fire. You can’t blame immigrants for taking your job when the big corporations outsourced your job. If people get hurt because you lied you should be liable.

The right-wing is a crazy factory, and their Park51 demagoguery is just the newest assembly line.

It’s a fact that more have died from dog bites than from terrorist attacks in 2009. No dogs at “ground zero”!

That might be true. However, since it was a white, male Christian who bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City I think all in that group should be put on a Do-Not-Enter-Federal-Buildings list.

Oh, and one other question: How many left-wing militias are there?

I don’t want to give any numbers, but the deal w/ left-wing “militias” is they’re real, not goofballs playing soldier on the wknd. & trying to get publicity.

I did the math on this once. More people in the U.S. die every month from influenza-related complications than have been killed in the U.S. as a result of terrorism in the last 40 years.

Something like that.

I also recall running the numbers and figuring out that you’re only 5 or 6 times more likely to be killed or injured as a result of being actively deployed in a current U.S. warzone than you are while driving too or from work. In that range somewhere.

Lou Dobbs lied whole cloth about immigrants spreading Leprosy were any hate crimes against immigrants done that month? Lou Dobbs then should be sued.

A beauty, Eli.

I don’t want to give any numbers

LMAO! Hard to cite facts when there are none, is that it? How transparent can you be?

Thanks, newt!

Got some evidence there, Sparky?

Thanks. I’m obsessed with my meme that terrorism is like acne: everyone dies of it if they don’t die of something else first. And the solutions are analogous (take preventive measures, like eating a proper diet, hardening your targets; up the treatment if that doesn’t work, like topical meds or antibiotics; police investigations & trials). Never kill anyone else over acne nor terrorism. Otherwise who cares about terrorism or acne. (Apologies to teens for whom acne can be a serious problem.) But it is also worthwhile to review real stats on various dangers, so thanks again for the dog bite stats.

Naaw. Just treat while males with topical antibiotics & that should deal with it.

I blame the pervasive canine culture of violence.

Other than U.S. wars ‘against’ terrorism, terrorism by definition, something less than 50,000 peeps worldwide have died of terrorism since they started keep stats in 1968. Now that’s worth a GWOT if anything ever was.

Of course but s/he doesn’t “want to give any numbers”…. Some days it’s too easy.

Very well done, Eli. Must have been exhausting to put together, but quite worth the effort, thank you so very much.

It’s like breast and prostate cancers. The fact is that every woman will have breast cancer…if she doesn’t die of something else first. Every man will get prostate cancer…if he doesn’t die of something else first. As far as causes of death goes, terrorism is way, WAY low on the list.

Thanks, Teddy. It was, and I hope it is.

Oh puhlese. Dawgs are man’s best friend.

Hay! Doesn’t that mean that terrorists should replace dawgs as man’s best friend?

Serious point: I make fun of terrorism (was jogging 5 miles from WTC on 9/11) because it has been so abused by PTB, and am looking for an antidote. It really isn’t a serious issue, as long as sensible, but measured, measures are taken to deal with it.

Check. 10% of women get breast cancer, though a much smaller % die of it. Don’t know what the prostate stats are.

Terrorism minuscule.

It’s about the same for prostate cancer in males but again, ALL men will get it. Eventually. If they don’t die of something else first. This was the last research study I was employed in and the conclusions were clear.

Suz! Eli!

It’s funny that Fish would take this seriously. He made his bones in deconstructionism. I saw him speak once, and it was a great pleasure to listen to someone so smart talk about something so esoteric. This op-ed was smart and clear, and I suspect Fish has dumped deconstruction in favor of reality-checking.

Oh d’oh. I just remembered the numbers for 2009: 25 U.S.ians and 4 Israelis died of terrorism. Of course, 4 Israelis just were killed in West Bank, so we should expect another all-out Israeli war against Palestinians. That’ll surely solve the problem.

masaccio!

I’m surprised because my recollection is that Fish usually pisses me off with what appears to be a contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian schtick.

son of Sam…the DOG told me to do it!

good eve ELI

good eve SADLY

huge monemaker howeva

just happened to catch,Dan Senor,grotesquely laughing about our reasons for invading Iraq on Tweety

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Where did you get the data? I have made a couple of attempts to find actuarial death statistics on-line, but finding death by terrorism is not as straightforward as I had hoped. What I would love is a simple table I can carry in my backpack every time I go to the airport to show knuckleheads who might unwisely suggest they are keeping me safe.

If they actually wanted to keep Americans safe, they could start free health screenings at the airport and replace those outrageous Naked Girly Machines. But they would never do such a thing, because “keeping us safe” was never the point.

At any rate, rather than a nice tidy table, for now I simply pull out this quote:

-Heart disease: 1 in 300 people in America typically die of heart disease in a given year; Criminal homicide: 1 in 18,000; Lightning strike: 1 in 3,000,000; Terrorism: 1 in 5,293,000. (Alan B. Krueger; What Makes a Terrorist: Economics and the Roots of Terrorism; Princeton University Press; New Jersey: 2007; p. 139)
-via Juan Cole (http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/8063.html)

PEEPS! (&Eli!)

Off on my own schtick, I forgot to give Eli thanks & credit for his work and documentation. Rational analysis surely does NOT apply to this topic that has been so abused by the U.S. and Israeli PTB for their own nefarious ends, but in the long (long) run, history will look back on the U.S. as the truly disgusting abuser that it has been. And records like Eli’s will matter then.

oh my

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/blum1.html

If they actually wanted to keep Americans safe, they could start free health screenings at the airport and replace those outrageous Naked Girly Machines. But they would never do such a thing, because “keeping us safe” was never the point.

xkcd has an interesting idea…

Kelly!

Just remember that whatever the terrorism casualty rates turn out to be, there have been many saved by preventive measures. For that, I give full credit. (No snark.) Can’t remember where I got last years stats in 43, otherwise I’d link. But it was online relatively recently.

Thanks, eCAHN, much appreciated.

You’re welcome. Much appreciate your work.

Eli…great post…thank you…!

also, not to be a negative twit or doomsayer, but I think that already too long list is really just the tip of the iceberg headed our way…and if the RepubliTards sweep both houses, it will be like gas on a fire..

are we circling the drain yet?

uhm….law enforcement,that is their job,with all that money going to NSA,i would expect a thorough job

you are so right
powderkeg

Maybe I’m misreading it, but mb may be referring to FARC and Shining Path and such…just sayin’ (though I completely agree with Eli’s point)

LOL

Well, there’s that. And every life saved by law enforcement (which they don’t get credit for) prolly costs a LOT. Still, the preventive success has been greater than I thought it would be after I learned a bit about the subject, so I wish to give credit where credit’s due.

Thanks!

I could go either way. On the one hand, a Republican-controlled Congress could be like a pressure valve so that the crazies feel less like they have to take matters into their own hands to stop the liberal socialist islamofascist government takeover, but on the other hand, if their fellow crazies are actually *in* the government, that’s going to give the craziness more legitimacy.

Could be. Although I was thinking mainly of militias in the United States.

Good points…unfortunately in my eye it still looks like: lose/lose!

Oh yeah, it’s gonna suck hard either way. But maybe the sense of something horrible coming to a boil will at least abate a little.

And to add: if craziness gets anymore legitimacy in this country, they may as well print it on the money!

For awhile, I tried, in my presentations, to offer the idea that the more heroic life-saving measures that are taken (terrorism falls into that category), the more people who die: Because cheaper, more effective, life-saving measures are not taken as a result. People looked at me like I was nuts. It’s a hard sell.

you are a gentlelady and a scholar……………G

http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/2006/05/harvard-yale-study-at-20-still-missing.html

Remember the great mid-1980′s feminist backlash with the execrable “Harvard-Yale” study, which (to paraphrase) said that an umarried woman with a BA (or more) at 40 was more likely to be killed by a terrorist than to ever get married! tsk tsk tsk

Well, here I am, and there I was: over 40, unmarried, with a couple of advanced degrees beyond a BA… aaaaaaaaaannnnddddd: no terrorist killed me.

What a load of hooey it all is. But it can all be summed up by ye olde: IOKIYAR.

Someone oughta do a “study” about rightwing hypocrisy, except the tome would be so long that it could never get published.

yes but who will rope in Beck?

De[ends on how you measure, and you didn’t provide a link.

So for instance, if 12 lives in an Annapolis mall targeted by terrorists was thwarted, exactly how many Afghanis, or whatever countries’ people died to thwart the plot, aside from other costs?

Worth is entirely relative in that regard, right? Otherwise, if it’s absolute, I’m not really seeing any mitigation, much less “savings.”

I agree with you Eli, but my fear is that after the anticipation abates a bit, then we have to deal with the ‘shellshock’ of reality…whew! That’s way unhealthy!

Lisa Derrick is upstairs!
Late Night: God Gooses Glenn Beck

heh – I fly a lot. While I don’t mind TSA employee citizens who might otherwise find it hard to get a job, they do very little that actually makes anyone “safer” on airplanes, imo. It’s pretty much window-dressing. We’d possibly be “safer” if they had more security at the baggage-handling level, but they don’t, so we’re not.

Last time I flew out of India (over 25 years ago), they made everyone go out on the tarmac and point to their luggage (after being X-rayed). If no one claimed a bag, it didn’t fly. Still wasn’t fool-proof but more of a deterrent than our present day TSA tomfoolery.

About five years ago I made the observation that “Bush’s claim that he had to take extraordinary measures to fight terror is at odds with his resolute unwillingness to take ordinary measures against terror.”

But Bush was never really interested in fighting terror, just breaking the law and accumulating ridiculous powers.

When Life hands you crazy…

Cute ; )

eCAHN, thanks for your responses. My point is not to do nothing, but not to do wasteful, counterproductive, unconstitutional things. The Naked Girly Machines are absolutely in the wasteful, counterproductive, and unconstitutional group.

Concede to it. Murkowski just did, says msnbc

What a cool nom de plume…! ;-)

Aloha, Sapphire and Eli…!

Aloha, CTut…!

Me, too. Which is why I get so irked. There are much better, cheaper, and constitutional solutions to the problem, but they won’t deliver the big bucks to Michael Chertoff.

And Eli, sorry for my poor manners, I am easily sidetracked these days. Thanks for an excellent post : )

I describe them as always trying to prevent the previous attack[s].

If W had been “serious” about protecting the USA against terrorism, 9/11 would not have happened. I’m not a “9/11 truther” (albeit I don’t dismiss the claims made by truthers completely), but I think W & Cheney turned their heads and looked the other way in order for the attack to occur.

The rest is history. W played it the way he did to make money from OIL. Period. It had nothing to do with terrorism. If W had been really concerned about Osama bin Laden, he would’ve let the Special Ops capture him in the Tora Bora Hills. The other thing W was interested in was making $$$ via the MIC. Didn’t want the War in Afghanistan to end to soon now.

Whatever W said about terrorism: just reverse it 180 degrees, and that’s what he did. Follow the money.

*heh* It’s a good thing that I’m a Left Wing nut, eh…? I possess the same ‘Engineering’ prowess as McVeigh…! Bwhahahaha…! *g*

I went through the naked machine in Europe recently. It was a really creepy experience. You have to take everything out of your pockets, all your pockets, and you hold your hands up and out like in a police drama, and just stay still like this for about 3 seconds.

Then you realize that someone is staring at your body, front and back. There was never a time that would have seemed cool.

Thanks! It’s really not a requirement tho…

Good point, except that for U.S.ians peeps from countries other than U.S. & Israel don’t count.

I recently watched an al Jazeera interview (again, link lost to history) of several U.S. talking heads about wikileaks. Glenzilla was one; another was a U.S. apologist. The latter thought that leaks were OK as long as they went to ‘respectable’ media who would first check them out with the PTB before publishing and only on domestic matters, not foreign policy. The al Jazeera interviewer pointed out that foreign policy for one country was domestic policy for the other country, and shouldn’t those peeps have the same transparency that he was advocating for U.S. citizens? The interviewee in question, of course, missed the point entirely.

Well there’s no more money to “do” much of anything in terms of protecting us (really) against terrorism, much less even keeping our infrastructure in tact. Our esteemed (not) leader, BHO, did at least acknowledge how bankrupt this country is in tonight’s “the war is ended” speech… that is, AFTER he toadied up to W and the ReThugs first. UGH.

Sorry, my bad too: thanks for the post, Eli. It’s good!!

Al Franken’s “Operation Ignore” chapter is really chilling…

They installed one in the Spokane airport. I had an experience with it – ask around, or ask Suz! LOL!

Thanks!

I hope you clicked on my xkcd link…

Been thru an experimental one somewhere in the USA, myself. Weird and creepy, and again: they’re not really checking at baggage the way they should. kinda pointless in a pervy way.

always follow the money ,if ya can

Last time I flew on biz in Europe, about a decade ago, the flight didn’t take off unless every every bag belonging to a passenger had such passenger on board the same plane. When I got back to the U.S., I asked the U.S. airline analyst why the same system did not apply in the U.S. His answer: well, if such a system applied here, the airlines could not schedule such close transfer schedules and their profits would go down. Sez a lot.

wer special,dontcha know……….goes vomits

yikes,chilllllling indeed

Thanks! I’ve read some of that before, but it’s definitely worth re-reading. Plus I’ve read other stuff Clark’s written; Clark was really pissed off – with good cause – by what happened, esp with how W “conveniently” called off the Special Ops just as they were about to capture ObL in the Tora Bora Hills. But couldn’t have the old family friend get busted, plus all that loss of sweet, sweet tax dollars for the MIC… who cares if US citizens get killed in the Twin Towers? Which is why this Park 51 debacle is doubly aggravating and rightwing hypocrisy on steroids!!!!

Follow the money. Plus some rich bastard(s) is making lotsa $$$$ offa TSA machines, etc. They don’t protect us; just makes some 1%er more money. Your tax dollar at work….

Clark was really pissed off – with good cause – by what happened, esp with how W “conveniently” called off the Special Ops just as they were about to capture ObL in the Tora Bora Hills.

Yeah, that always stuck in my craw as one of those things that should have been an absolute credibility-destroying moment. Imagine if Obama had had OBL cornered and then called off the dogs, we never would have heard the end of it and he probably would have been impeached. (Of course, he’ll probably be impeached anyway…)

its been almost 10 years,ive forgotten,the hideous details! and everyday more inocents being killed and maimed
arg@#$%^&*()_H!

9/11 truthers can be a tad unhinged, but I read their theories some times. I won’t go down that path, but some of the theories are just this side of believable. I do think Bush & Cheney are that venal. But I promise not to come unglued!! :-)

I have to admit, I hadn’t thought about it in those terms, though I immediately ‘got it’ when the al Jazeera interviewer asked the Q. Another example of my fave form of learning: obvious stuff that you hadn’t thought of yourself, but once it’s pointed out to you, you never forget. Very few other forms of permanent learning.

The piece that never made sense to me, why do only airports an airplanes get the special treatment?

they did it,thats all imo,who else in this country had closer connections to the Bin Ladens,why were they allowed to leave,when nobody else was allowed to even fly…..we will never hear the anwers

Not a fan of BHO, but impeachment is just outrageous. Yet another Ken Starr taxpayer dollar waste of time and money that rightwingers are so thrilled with. Fer gawd’s sake, don’t help some lazy @ss sick or poor person bc it’s all their fault. But let’s waste tax dollars on tawdry useless impeachments for no reasons. GAH!!

But yeah: Republics had not one whit of a problem/em> when W called the dog off Osama bin Laden. Not one whit. And here we are, and no ObL ever captured. Yet at one time, that was the primary important goal to end all goals. But Tammy Faye Beck has mezmerized the ‘Baggers into praying about something else now.

Same deal as when JFK was assassinated and then Lee Harvey Oswald “conveniently” shot by Jack Ruby, a mobster who just happened to have heart problems or whatever.

Yeah, the bin Laden family got whisked outta the country tout suite when no one else could fly. Interesting…

I am not even remotely advocating impeachment of Obama, even though I think he’s proved himself almost completely worthless. Merely predicting it as a probable outcome of a Republican House.

Here’s a simple-minded theory: bin Laden is every bit the psychopath that Cheney is. More: bin Laden attacked US military facilities in Muslim territory several times with demands that such attacks would continue until the US removed its porkeating presence from Muslim lands, especially its large military presence in Saudi Arabia. Most: the WTC hit was a proof of concept, wasn’t it? Our ‘infrastructure’ is vulnerable to attack by psychopathic maniacs. It looked like blackmail, plain and simple: remove the US military from Suadi Arabia by sundown or sooner. And while you’re at it, get rid of that secular bastard in Iraq. If you know what’s good for y’all.

Let’s see. US military left Saudi Arabia. Check. Saddam Hussein and his brood removed (and killed). Check. No additional attacks from bin Laden. Check.

Well exactly. But it’s very visible, so it *seems* like *something* is being “done.” cough cough… Amtrak does make you show ID now to buy a train ticket, but really: woo woo.

Yeah, but it’s a lot harder to use a train to blow up a building. Unless it’s a train station, which is probably easier to blow up *without* a train.

That is NOT a mystery. A plane going down kills everyone. Other transport, not so much. Which is why terrorists spend so much effort targeting planes and not so much on other transportation. That is rational on the surface.

Cost-benefit analysis was recently pointed out to me via a book which is downstairs, so am too tired to search it out, disproportionately benefits the rich, but that’s icing on the cake.

Oh I realize that you’re not advocating impeaching BHO. I was just whining about the waste of tax dollars and time and energy it will be if/when it happens. BHO is worthless, I agree, but impeachment is just plain stupid, egregious and a waste of money. And it will result in NO improvements, furthermore.

Okay, wasn’t entirely sure. I wonder what the rationale will be. The attempt to entice Sestak out of the PA-SEN race (which was sleazy but not criminal IMHO) looks like the most likely bet right now.

Not a lot of distinction between U.S. wingnuts & OBL, but that is completely verboten to point out.

Interesting. Agree that bin Laden is/was a pycho/sociopath. Perhaps what you say has some merit. If nothing else, there was some kind of “you scratch our backs, we scratch yours” going on between the Bush and bin Laden tribes. But are we out of Saudi for sure??

Glad to clear up that confusion! heh

Well bring on teh crazeee Bachmann says they’ll just subpoena, subpoena, subpoena just because. I don’t think she’s been particularly clear as to what or why they’d subpoena, but who knows?

why do only airports an airplanes get the special treatment?

My guess – and it’s only a guess, mind you – is that hardly anyone who flies can come close to comprehending how those big things stay up there and don’t just drop out of the sky. Flying is still like magic or a miracle. It’s why a single-engine, single casualty plane crash makes the news everywhere.

All fanatics are similar. It doesn’t matter what there religious preference or ethnic background or gender is. So, yes, the wingnuts and ObL have much in common, also much in common with Cheney for the same reasons.

hahahaha

irony NOBEL PEACE KISSINGER……….we keep sinking lower,how low can we go?

and that has a law degree…..oy

Yep.

so true

Onwards and upwards folks. Been fun. Gotta clean up before our cleaning gets here early in the am. We call her el Jefe! And yes, she is a legal resident of the EWWW ESS AAAY.

Guessing O sinks lower on the NPP than Kissinger, but too early to tell. Certainly worthy of ditching the NPP prize altogether, IMVHO.

Nobel needs some new investigators….geeze loueeeezzzzze

It’s probably elementary economics more than the certainty of massive deaths: tens of thousands of airliners fly every day. Fish in a barrel, easy to sneak on. It’s more murderous to blow up a shopping mall with deadly gas in the mix, but not as easy to pull off.

Icing ya say, eh…? Let ‘em eat the cake too, I says…! ;-)

remember the Una Bomber,he was just sick of technoUSA?

who was talking about Ken Starr?

hahahahaha

. Starr was not drafted for military service during the Vietnam War as he was classified 4-F, due to a case of psoriasis.[8]

http://traffic.libsyn.com/umphreysmcgee/umpodcast99.mp3

Disagree. Terrists want to create panic. As an (almost former) Manhattanite, I’ll contribute that Manhattanites are greater targets (when I spent most of my time in the city, I was within spitting distance of several terrorist targets, most prominent of which was 5 blocks from U.N.). Yet I found that non-Manhattanites were much more panicked about terrorism. So I always thought than an attack on, for example, Maul on Merika, would accomplish much more panic than anything attacked in Manhattan. But maybe that’s just me.

I don’t feel entirely comfortable beating up on Obama yet. Okay, having said that, I noticed in his address tonight that he finessed a slick rhetorical glide. He invoked Bush’s response to 9/11. Then he glided into “Afghanistan and Pakistan” having mentioned “al Qeda”, all in the context of why we are/were in Iraq. It sounded to me like he officially pardoned Bush and Cheney for their lying the country into invading Iraq.

Actually, they do random (and cursory) searches at transit stations in some areas. (I say cursory, because you never know if you’re going to get your bags searched or not when you come up to one.)

Funny, I’m a native New Yorker, which means nothing else. From what I can gather from my serious scholarship is that Manhattanites watch far less stupid TV and listen to even less stupid talk radio than non-Manhattanites.

(I recall a very funny statistic from 2003, but I can only make up a very close number for now: while the FBI reports of violent crime showed a 20% decrease from a few years earlier, the media reportage of violent crime increased some 700%!)

But if you look like me (blond, dumpy, lady senior) you NEVER get profiled. So …

David Susskind and William F. Buckley let guests and panelists speak at length. If we could have an alternate present, we (everyone) might have an interesting exchange about the distinctions between terrist attacks and guerrilla warfare. Be that as it may.

For a change I watched the local new tonight. (TDS is a repeat.) If you watch local news anywhere, you go around in a permanent panic. I learned that from a book (what else, I’m an inveterate reader.) Suspect that even before I read the book that told me not to watch local news for the same reasons, I, as well as many other Manhattanites, never watched it.

One message is to be afraid, very afraid, of Hurricane Earl.

Now a message of taking sensible precautions, and detailing what they might be, would be helpful, but…

OK. Turning into pumpkin again, so nighters to all.

ah, a thread by the Great Traitor. your NSA minders are still watching you, you know. we have your cell all ready and cozy. and found you a new friend, Ben Dover. heh.

YESSSSSS! I have been wondering for a few years when this question would be asked! Why are Muslims reacted to so violently, when nothing but yawns come from the right-wing about American terrorists?

Thank you, Eli!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqDzuVvwtRU

I believe this is a link to the debate on Al Jazeera involving Greenwald and James Joyner on 8/23.

“Fish harkens back to the the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing and the right’s whiplash-fast pivot from talking about Islam’s “culture of violence””

It’s certainly hypocritical today, but to be fair, back then right wing Christian wingnuts weren’t particularly focused on “Islam’s culture of violence.” So, there was NO such “pivot.”

Even Bush talked about the lone evil dictator, Saddam, who he sought to replace, not THE Islamofascists. When Poppy Bush went to war, he went to war against said lone dictator and a state, that invaded another state. There was NO talk about the Islamic religion. NONE.

For THE collective evil Islamofascist meme, you’ll need to look to neo-conservative wingnut “intellectuals” like Paul Berman and Christopher Hitchens after 9/11–who the right wing nut rabble merely parrot today.

Yes, we agree that right wing nuts were susceptible to propagdizing by our latter day Goebbels.

“the hypocritical double standard that the right applies to Muslim terrorists vs. Christian ones”

Yes, we agree, but most of the people cited here are likewise mostly assorted wing nuts, not Christian right wing nuts per se–although they have a few nuts represented in the mix–but I’m guessing you hoped no one would notice the heterogeneity by drawing on our pre-existing anti-Christian prejudices over here on the so-called “left.”

That’s how collective demonization works, right?

It’s legitimate to keep tabs, though. As you can see, chickenhawk Berman heads up my terrorist list.

And, I have no intentions of rewriting history to accomodate your preferred frame.

Did someone at FDL provide following link? Can’t remember. In case not, it goes with article and I was astonished by the unapologetic hateful gall:

http://911christiancenter.com/