Okay, see if you can spot the irony here. Late last year, Blue Dogs and some freshman Democrats oppose a second stimulus bill, even as it becomes apparent that the first one was woefully inadequate:
“I think we have just got to get serious about the deficit,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), the president of the class of freshman Democrats. “I would have to really be persuaded of a dire situation and one that’s getting worse, frankly, to have any enthusiasm for a second stimulus.”
Rep. Baron Hill (D-Ind.), a co-chairman of the 52-member Blue Dog Coalition, said he would have to hear a “very compelling” justification for further adding to the deficit, even for the sake of fostering more job growth.
“My constituents, I think, have had it with spending,” Hill said. “And I concur with their sentiments.”
And now this year’s midterm election is looking terrible for House Democrats because why?
Top Democrats are growing markedly more pessimistic about holding the House, privately conceding that the summertime economic and political recovery they were banking on will not likely materialize by Election Day.
In conversations with more than two dozen party insiders, most of whom requested anonymity to speak candidly about the state of play, Democrats in and out of Washington say they are increasingly alarmed about the economic and polling data they have seen in recent weeks.
They no longer believe the jobs and housing markets will recover — or that anything resembling the White House’s promise of a “recovery summer” is under way.
And which Democrats are going to pay the biggest price for voter dissatisfaction with the 9.5% unemployment and crappy economy?
The pattern is clear: Some of the most conservative members of the House Democratic caucus, those with vote scores that rank them in the high 100s or low 200s of the 256-member caucus, are in trouble.
(…)
Blue Dogs or other House Democrats who often vote with them are going to account for the vast majority of House Democratic losses this November, which is not a real shocker to anyone following the situation closely;
In other words, the Blue Dogs and their conservadem fellow travelers engineered their own downfall by putting their simplistic (and highly selective) “fiscal conservatism” ahead of the wellbeing of their constituents and the country as a whole.
It’s a pity they’re not self-aware enough to realize that opposing the public good can have adverse electoral consequences, because it’s something they really should keep in mind when it comes time to vote on the Catfood Commission’s recommendations to gut Social Security. And Obama might want to think about it too, before he signs anything into law.
Simply put, the best way to survive a backlash election is to not invite one.



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I love a good whirlwind in times like these. It blows the stink out of the room.
Hey, Eli. If some or all of the Blue Dogs lose, I’ll be delighted. Good post.
I don’t think the Blue Dogs and ConservaDems pay enough attention to the real world to see the freight train heading toward them.
Good post, but don’t think for a minute that Obama gives a shit about election backlash. He’s going to complete his assignment for this corporate bosses come hell or high water. He believes he will get a second term regardless, and he doesn’t give a shit if he loses in 2012. He flat doesn’t care either way.
I sure as hell won’t be shedding any tears for them, although the thought of Speaker Boehner or Speaker Cantor doesn’t particularly thrill me.
I really liked this quote Schaller included in his post:
Yup. I’d rather fight against raging lunatics than against Blue Fools from my own party. Get the Blue Dogs out of the way and let’s get down to the real business of bringing this country back from the brink.
I’m thinking we need to be talking to Michelle. Obama doesn’t read emails…..is there a place to get through to his ‘better half’?
Blue Dogs ain’t exactly the sharpest canines on the porch ya know. Societal chihuahuas, elected by yip yipping at enough cognitively barren “real Americuns”, who then proceed to foul the entire joint.
Can I make a polite request/suggestion?
Let’s stop giving Conservatives in the Democratic party the cover they seek by using their sad little “blue dog” frame and just call them what they are: “Conservatives in the Democratic Party”, “Conservative Democrats” or, just “Right-Wing Democrats”.
Thanks.
How about “Republicans in Demo-Garb”?
Of course the Beltway Brahmans will attribute the defeat of Blue Dogs and Conservadems as merely the rejection of “liberalism.”
It was all those tough left-wing votes that mean Obama and Pelosi made them take.
Okay, see if you can spot the
ironykarma here. Late last year, Blue Dogs and some freshman Democrats oppose a second stimulus bill, even as it becomes apparent that the first one was woefully inadequate…:o)
That was the word I was looking for…
Good. Curb your dog.
Define Dire
all he knows is that it isn’t dire for him so what the heck.
>11% unemployment, apparently.
Dire means that either Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin has said it’s okay to vote for it.
8 years of Bush war debt not a peep now suddenly he gets a pair? Americans need jobs or consumer spending tanks that means all those rich people who invested in banks will see the loans the banks made default.
When do we expect that before or after the election?
Newt and Jeb must be sooo jealous!
Eli why bury the lead this is good news Rahm and Obama did everything for those guys at our expense I really thought people would sacrifice principle and vote Blue Dog rather than GOP the lesser of 2 evils argument.
This news restores my faith in Democracy:)
In a room somewhere, Conservative Democrats are huddling and pitching ideas.
How long before they decry the stimulus that DID pass, on the grounds that the concept itself was flawed, scurrying away from the ‘too little by half’ reality?
Any takers?
Oh what do they care? After the elections they park themselves in their new corporate sponsored consulting jobs at 3 times what they were making in Congress, put their feet up on the desk and smile.
Yes we are the WhirlWind everything is Coming Undone ( had to say it )
I think it’s more a matter of conservadems in red districts being the most vulnerable when the economy crashes. In other words, they’re losing because of the end result of their votes and obstructionism, not necessarily because of the obstructionism itself.
Alas, this thought has occurred to me. But we’re still better off without them.
Nobody here will take that bet even before the election I bet they will start blaming the Stimulus for causing the bad economy.
Poor Ron Paul he had a political Movement and now Glen Beck is wrecking whatever Cred that movement might have had.
I think Ron has been forgotten.
I can agree with that theory.
The blue dogs will lose to red pacaderms. We are trading one group of boils for another. It is a wash.
If given the choice the all important “independent” voter (ill informed if not outright ignorant) will vote for the real Republican over the fake Republican every time.
And against whichever party happens to be holding the flaming bag of shit.
He hasn’t done that thus far. Why break a perfect record?
Just…amazing.
I’m sure the British Empire said that after WW2. Its one thing to govern the World Power even if its failing. But when it sees itself getting replaced government and military morale will tank.
History will be blaming Bush, Obama Rahm etc.
OT– Chatter on the financial back drop:
“U.S. Warfare Boosted Q2 GDP Massively”
“Why GDP Growth Is Slowing”
“a hologram put in front of you”
“U.S. Postal Service Starts Quoting SDR to Dollar Conversion Rates, and IMF Endorses Replacing Dollars with SDRs“
Fine by me. Let’s sort out this mess. I always hated that ‘blue dogs’ got to call themselves Dems while working against everything that seemed reasonable. Let’s get to the real truth….and then maybe people will take to the streets.
I don’t know. the Dems are sure dumb if they want to hold onto their seats. I mean look how they vote suppressed in plain sight the Halter/Lincoln race and now, it looks like Lincoln is going to lose.
The only thing I can think is that Obamarahma WANT more Republicans to blame for their mess. I think they should be careful what they wish for, because the republcians will tie the gov in knots “investigating” everybody. It’ll make the Lewinsky setup look like the prom…. If they think they’ve got gridlock NOW……Nobody could be THAT stupid, could they?
Or, they’re counting on their corporate friendly attitudes and the Citizens United verdict to pull their fat out of the fire….since I doubt our votes count for much anymore anyway,
Either way, they’ll all be taken care of very nicely by the US taxpayer (fewer and fewer all the time)no matter what happens to America
And their idea number one is, even though it was their horrendous voting records that cost them their jobs, they will be united in blaming the Professional Left for their losses.
How are the Tea Baggers doing are they replacing GOPers if so which GOPers? We can’t forget to keep track of our opposite though artificial number.
So not to change the subject, but who will be attending the “Restore Starched White Sheets with Eyeholes” rally tomorrow?
And even if he *were* to veto the recommendations of his own hand-picked commission, well… they’re still the recommendations of his own hand-picked commission.
HI ELI
I want a smaller, more ideologically unified, liberal Democratic House caucus, preferably in the majority. Those folks who got fired on in the trenches during HCR? They can be defeated, as far as I’m concerned. Anyone willing to run against Speaker Pelosi, or call for her death? Dead to me.
But I don’t mind seeing actual GOP districts, like Baron Hill’s or that football player in NC, returned to actual GOPs. Seems only fair; the Democrats ran under the wrong banner, many of them were converts from Republicanism anyway.
I think you are right. It’s a wash. One could hope the Dems would get the right message from the losses but I suspec that’s a futile hope.
They might be hoping for the Republicans to overreach and invite a backlash, a la the Monica witch hunt and Newt shutting down the government.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-gdp-defense-driver-2010-8
Wars produce goods but unless we win a war and make a profit from the war the money could be better spent elsewhere.
The media really doesn’t think critically about economics do they?
HI TEDDY
We are totally on the same page.
You can take it to the bank that Obama, Rahm and these Blue Dogs will NOT learn a lesson from this. This Inconvenient Truth will be buried. It will be the liberals fault, and that will be the CW.
Seconded we need eyes on the ground and video I don’t want Beck lying about how many people showed up this time.
The Tea Baggers still have yet to show they can get the numbers in one city never mind nationally that the Immigration Rights Marches got.
Yup, because the American electorate listens to everything the Professional Left says.
Is that a Catch 22 or a Catch 44? Dang fuzzy math always confuses me…
Yeah, but that worked, didn’t it? Plus Clinton was WAY more popular. Obama isn’t popular with anybody but head-in-sand bots.
This explains it all:
Dr. Strangelove – Precious Bodily Fluids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY&feature=related
With Peter Sellers…perfect!”
Yup. Lots of video and some solid estimates. If the counts are low, good. If the counts are high, not so good, but important to know.
True but now Rahm knows we can hurt him and his protected Blue Dog friends you have to hit a bully at least once to get him to back off.
If there were a risk to them electorally in elevating the ‘ProLeft™’ to the status of King-Breaker, it would almost be worth it.
you know I really don’t want a repug house so those fools can run around “investigating” everything under the sun ala Clinton years. But, on the other hand, some of these blue dogs and conservadems have got to go. Good riddance.
I’m also starting to consider the idea that it may be time for all the dems to go and Obama in 2012 as well. We are clearly not getting anywhere with this bunch. How in the world can all these dems sit around with 15 million unemployed and maybe 25 million underemployed? Hell let the repugs pull us out of this and repeal health care and impeach Obama. Only downside is it may take a generation to get to this point again. But still, there is a limit to this b/s. Just not myself tonite. Need another scotch.
Or if Beck gets what he wants…a rumble with the black folks
I’m completely on the “beat up a bully” page. It’s the only thing they understand, and it usually has the effect of making them back down and/or change course.
It’s a bag both parties have been shitting into.
I like it.
Apologies, Mods. I’ll shut up now.
Don’t feel bad, I haven’t been myself for years……….
Wonder if Beck will attempt to walk across the Reflecting Pool tomorrow?
Though he doesn’t talk about it, Obama knows very well what it feels like to be detested and marginalized. Don’t overlook the possibility that he ‘simply’ won’t run again in 2012, that he’ll make the most of those next four years, and will jump back in for 2016, as the second coming.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/41382
I am all ready to update this old diary provided the media this time gets some crowd estimates in a timely fashion.
I hope not…it’ll be the beginning of….something not so good. but I won’t be surprised at all if it happens.
you can bet Beck’s told his “GAWD-like friends to bring their penis extensions
We can only hope. Is it deep enough?
Endless investigations would be poetic justice for Mr. Bipartisan. His bipartisan fantasy of a new tone in D.C. was all a ruse anyway.
F Beck. someone should roll him in the reflecting pool just for shits and grins.
Hi Eli and all, I saw Brian Williams (I think that’s his name, he’s the main news guy on one of the networks) on David Letterman the other night. He was saying that the British press (someone over there, not sure which paper) believes that BO will not seek a second term.
Sorry to be so flaky on the particulars. Just wondering if anyone here read or saw that speculation.
Or roll him in grins just for shit
It’s not that deep a pool, so there’s not much risk involved, nor Faith either. He’s really laid it out though, telling us that the spirit will speak through him. It’ll be very interesting to see what happens.
I have no empathy for anyone attached to what ended up being a flaming fudge bag of a health care bill, THE most important issue for me in 2008. I don’t know what nutjob the repugs are running against lame-dog Suzanne Kosmas here in Orlando and I don’t care, it will be either a minor party or a write in in November, and the same goes for Obmarahma in 2012.
Wouldn’t bother me at all, but I just don’t buy it.
Hell, OBAMA is making those noises too. next up…Genghis Khan
How about The Republicans in the Democratic Party…………….
Oh, it’s dinner time and you made me think of Marlon Brando in that movie, I forgot what it’s called – ha, saying Squeal Like A Pig.
This is too far-fetched even for me……………(LOL)
Why would Obama want to do this agian? Maybe he has a need to feel really “liked”. Otherwise it’s all uphill and no rainbow at the other end. Makes perfect sense to me. At this point you would have to say he failed, but it ain’t over till its over they say.
Oops, forgot to say, in my exuberance, Hiya Eli! How’s the big bad boy? Great, I hope.
Deliverance? There’s no Brando though…
I like that idea.
Yes.
Hiya demi! I’m good! Still technically on vacation. You?
He wasn’t in Deliverance. No, there’s was a cute young thing. I’ll look it up. And, be right back.
Burt Reynolds? Ned Beatty?
Last Tango?
My Gawd, she’s gonna pull out John Voight.
Last Tango In Paris.
That’s My Girl. You never let me down. You freak. Love ya.
I wish it was over.
Huh, I had no idea there was a squeal-like-a-pig scene in that one. Maybe all 70s movies have them…
weeeeee weeeeeee weeeeee!!!
I just don’t consider the tea baggers to be that bad anymore. They want change too. Maybe not the kind I want, but with time and education (maybe). At least they are mostly sincere, stupid, but sincere. More than you can say for the politicians.
PS, this morning, BT had a link to a Michele B story where she was shootin’ guns and stuff. And, I posted a link to Julie Brown’s Everybody Run. Nobody said nuttin’. And, I realized, maybe I was talking to the wrong crowd. But, you’d have gotten it. Wouldn’t ya?
Funny how people went to Deliverance and not the French Movie. Swell! Some kinda crowd ya got here, Eli.
Baby, I’m always on vacation.
My people!
yes, got it. kinda creepy funny.
I suppose technically this might now be considered just the weekend rather than vacation…
Well, it was from a James Dickey novel after all.
Not going to find out if I got the job till Monday or after.
I have every thing crossed for you.
dang. Still sending you the best.
In The Nightcrawlers (1971) Marlon put a lit cigar into a toad’s mouth – burning end into the mouth so the toad would explode. (It exploded.) Around the same time, Warren in McCabe & Mrs. Miller mumbles something about if a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass on the ground. Maybe it’s all some variant on ‘If pigs could fly’, which Bernadette Peters says to Steve Martin in Pennies From Heaven.
I’ll hold your hand all weekend, if that’s okay with Mary. Well, I’d do it anyway, but it would be more fun with Mary’s blessings.
I do love early 70s movies…
(Pennies From Heaven, not so much)
Good man! (((bgrothus))
(((Mary))) Love that you are who you are. Really!
Of course.
You do it to yourself, you do
and thats what really hurts
You do it to yourself, just you
you and no-one else
Peggy, we got the thumbs up from Mary. Woo Hoo. And, it’s finally getting cooler here, so my head will be in a better place. Hand is always here for you.
Either way you should send a really pleasant note to the Pres and congress (not) for all the help they are giving you and the other 25 million unemployed out there. They work on it everyday. At home. I can tell. they told me so.
My local Blue Dog (Thompson, CA-01) will get re-elected, but not with my vote. He abandoned his presumably liberal constituency when he first declared in public meetings that the Public Option was essential, then did a 180 and docilely voted for Obama’s Big Medicine bailout.
It’s the Golden/Platinum/Diamond decade of movies. Pennies From Heaven was early !980s (I love it!).
I found this at IMDB from LTIP ‘Quotes’:
PAULl: Go on, tell me… tell me something sweet. Smile at me and say I just misunderstood. Go on, tell me. You pig-fucker… you goddamn, fucking, pig-fucking liar.
just got home ,hows everyone tonite,good i hope
Really, anything that stops giving them cover. every time I’ve used the phrase “Blue Dogs” around non politically-aware folks, I have to explain the label and explain that, yes, there are conservatives in the Democratic party.
To me, anything that raises awareness of the large Right-wing faction in the Dems would help to weaken them.
Nice. My favorite early 70s movies tend towards the… unusual.
Thanks.
Happily, yes! How ya doin’, hon?
I’m just online too. Long conversation with friend after day with sawzall, evening freezing 2 dozen corn for this winter. I just luv me the local corn.
I always considered “Blue Dogs” as practically a synonym for “conservative Democrats” – it never occurred to me that not everyone else would.
Mary McCurrnin. Before you got here, it was a Saturday night, and my mister was out of town and I was itchin’ for some fun and I asked the crowd who’d dance with me. Mary said she would and asked if I’d hold her hand. Bout 3 years ago, I reckon. Love her.
I’ve always considered them Republicans whose districts always went Democratic no matter who was running so they just announced they were Democrats.
Begging your pardon for extending the OT: Altman’s Images is a personal fave (toooo unusual for most).
That sounds more like, say, Joe Lieberman. A lot of Blue Dogs are in red districts where it would probably be easier for them to get elected as “out” Republicans.
Yeah, I figured it out. I’m stressed and slow tonight.
I’ve never even heard of that one, but I’m kind of allergic to Altman.
Now, Greaser’s Palace, Phase IV, The Hellstrom Chronicle, Zardoz…
S’okay. Mama said there’d be days like this, there’ll be days like this my mama said.
I’ll stop with with the lovey dovey and let you all talk about how stupid Democrats and everyone else is.
Eli, thankfullness for your indulgence. Hugs.
You’re too young to remember the Shirelles
No problem. Good luck and positive vibes to Margaret.
Are. Sorry.
I’m a bit of a wonk, so I really never did either until the last year or so, when I became determined to talk to everyone in my little corner of the world, whether they were interested in politics or not. I saw that non-wonks people just never dreamed there were conservatives/right-wingers in the Democratic party.
On the other hand, how many FDL readers don’t know what Blue Dogs are?
Nuh, uh. I was born in 1952. Ha! I just act immature, at times. And, I got great skin and hair genes from my mama. :O)
Adios Perros Azules!
Oh, yeah.
Speaking of crazy generals’ Did you all see this.
Colonel kicked out of war for hating PowerPointLink
iirc, between digital signal from across the big pond cutting in and out, BW agreed with the premise that BO doesn’t care about a second term and Letterman managed to mention every important Progressive Dem talking point coming out of this site in one big run-on sentence/sort of question.
Hi everybody, good fridog night to all.
If you can’t say anything nice about a Microsoft application, don’t say anything at all.
make this
http://southernfood.about.com/od/picklesrelishes/r/bl90718a.htm
Aha! THAT kind of unusual. I wasn’t hip enough (or Xtian enough) for Greaser’s Palace. Loved The Hellstrom Chronicle, but I didn’t think it was unusual except for its rare excellence.
I think he just *acts* like he doesn’t care about a second term…
glad its cooled off for ya
Well, try to imagine it getting made now…
Practiced putting on make up to that one.
Well, the genes notwithstanding, having a kid at 42 and not married to the father, helped me stay young. Gots to.
Hilarious. I guess if you don’t like PP, don’t ask, don’t tell.
I have been trying to talk and blog to as many people as I can about the Blue Dogs since before Obama. But you are right even here in the south most people just assume Democrats are all liberals and make no demands on the candidates to follow liberal or even center policies. The much vaunted independents are mostly nothing more than folks who watch the commercials the last two weeks before an election and vote what sounds good, then go back to reality TV
Ron did the photoshop work on a microsoft annual report years ago. He cleaned up Bill Gates’ picture and put the apple logo in the high light of his eye. heh.
Opened up the house at 7:30 tonight. Lawd! Thanks for the caring.
O doesn’t intend to run for second term? WOW. That would come as a gigantic surprise.
Brian Williams could not WAIT to get off that show with DL. DL pretty much kicked his ass.
Hahahahaha that’s awesome.
Keep your pp to yourself.
Sounds like Dave’s trying to get his producer(s) to schedule Jane Hamsher as a guest.
Oh that looks delicious. I WILL make some. I’ve frozen 2 doz corn, so on to the next project. Tomatoes & cukes in season!
FWIW there’s some more fingers and toes crossed over here on the east coast. Really pulling for you, and hope you not only find a job, but find one that pleases you. You deserve it.
Best of luck to you, and all others out there looking. It’s tough.
Blew another summer. Lots of resolutions. All broken.
OT it’s almost late night, hey demi, I showed up on this planet then too. Aries, and on the maturity scale, (as I may have mentioned before) still trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.
I don’t have enough money to sway the upcoming elections and like most of us just talking to as many people about facts that I can relate to get a feel for what my neighbors are thinking and how they might be voting.
I appreciate all of the good thoughts but I find myself very distracted just now. See you all later.
You can’t find State of Siege, for that matter. I transferred it from Beta to DVD the other night.
Tomorrow’s a new day. You’re the boss of you, and don’t forget that. Sweets.
Something to go to sleep to.
its pretty easy,have so many matoes,when the new beets are harvested im gonna send ya some,i made my own spices,need a recipe for all the pepper….how do you freeze the corn?
So long about New Years 1990, I got called by USA today for my New’s Year’s resolution. On a page with about 20-25 others, mostly biz execs. Mostly they said stuff like cut cost, max profits. Making you wonder what they had been doing all their biz lives.
Mine was: I resolve not to do any more thankless tasks. And I am sure that if I don’t violate this resolution by Jan 2, I will do so by Jan 4.
I must say that after making that spontaneous declaration, I’ve thought a lot about thankless tasks. Some I’ve chosen to do on purpose because I think they’re worthwhile, but many I’ve turned down. So it was a worthwhile, and fun, thought experiment.
Sounds like Skidoo, one of the most insane movies ever made – I think it only exists in bootlegs from foreign cable channels.
Blanche for 3 min in boiling water, put in ice water to stop cooking, cut off cob (each ear fits perfectly into zip-lock snack bag) and freeze. Easy peasy.
I just love it. Listening on another window. I used to sing that to my babies in the rocker. Doll!
If we could just figure out ahead of time which are thankless and which not, we’d be shittin’ in the high weeds.
Aries, too! March 30, 1952. And, me too about what I wanna be when I grow up, but maybe, just maybe, we’re there and we ARE!
I just think the Blue Dogs are incredible phonies. Especially, when they say they are fiscal conservatives.
As every American should know, taxes and spending are not equally raised and spent in the same place. What mostly happens is the tax burden falls on areas around New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles. People in these areas pay huge taxes. That money ends up in places like Mississippi, North Dakota, New Mexico. Nebraska. Maine.
“Conservative Democrats” are usually getting much more money into their districts than what the people in them are paying to the nation’s Treasury.
If they were fiscally conservative, they would cut the spending in their own districts. But they don’t. Like Ben Nelson shows, they want to funnel money into their districts. That’s not conservative–that’s liberal.
If the Republicans win those seats, they will keep up the same game. But the Republicans are just better talking the same “conservative” lines while they take the money.
thanks,no freezer burn?
I luv me some beets. I’ve made many a potato salad with beets, which turns out pinkish & delish. Also vichysoisse can be made with any added vegie. If you add beets, it turns out pink. If you add spinach, it turn out green. Both more interesting colors than white. If you add celery, more interesting flavor.
PS…we’re bonded forever, don’t you know?
Fiscal conservatives and deficit hawks don’t seem to have much trouble with tax cuts, corporate welfare, or endless war either.
new favorite,aside egg and potato salad,love vichyssoise
Oh, you know most of the thankless tasks for sure. For example, my boss, threatened by me, once assigned me to analyze the forecast for S&L budget sector of the U.S. economy at a point at which there was not much dispute. Kept sending me back to refine my analysis. Wasn’t quite thankless, in the sense I knew he would pay me to distract me on this low-value-added pursuit, learned stuff of low value but trivial pursuit-type benefits, which I once used in a client meeting to really impress the client on my ‘breadth’ of off-the-cuff knowledge.
Yellow summer squash & yukon gold potato soup with dill is simply scrumptious.
prolly should can some beans too
i grew yukon golds this year,ill look up the recipe,brought lots of bugs though that killed my rabe,and eggplants sigh
Yes, I could spot some ahead of time. But I wound up pissin’ in the wind on some that I was sure were the right thing to do at the time.
Live and learn.
Like 10 wasted years in the consulting business.
Eli, it’s this thing from 30 years ago, that “tax cuts pay for themselves”. They never do. Corporate welfare becomes “corporations don’t pay taxes, people do.” And all the endless war spending against amorphous threats is simply explained, that we have to go after all our threats so we don’t have to fight them in our streets.
You’re right, none of it is conservative. But the people in Blue Dog places seem to think it is. So it doesn’t matter.
This should do it.
Well of course I know and I always respect my elders, even if it is only by six days.
loves me my old silver palate cookbooks,thanks again
Nothing in common (other than being hard to find). State of Siege is a Costa-Gavras condemnation of US foreign ‘policy’, true events, the kidnapping and murder of the US diplomat in Uruguay, etc. It makes Mamet’s ‘fictitious’ Spartan seem tame by comparison. I know, that’s impossible, but still, you know?
I have no use for them. They won’t even pay to maintain the world that is been handed to them. Fuck them.
ya like these
http://www.moosewoodrestaurant.com/
I NEVER did that. In the mid-1980s, the dollar had fallen off a cliff, I had just changed firms, and wrote my best reports evah on the consequences for investing in which U.S. industries. Ran into all sorts of headwinds, despite the absolute certainty (given the lags) of the robustness of my results. Like: doesn’t matter whether the USD has declined vs the Jap yen, the Asian Tigers will just replace Japan. Of course, at that point the Tigers, en masse, were much too small to do that. So I spent the next half-year or so debunking all the contrary arguments. Now, that might have been construed as thankless tasks, it was quite fun, and I had nothing else to do, since my original research was good as written. Interestingly, I convinced only one investor to my knowledge.
10% unemployment among the little peeps will be taking a huge bite out of the fed tax revenue very soon. Either jobs will appear, or the wealthy will have to belly up and pay.
Oh, Ithaca. I’ve never been there. (Been close.) I should check it out.
you should,the cookbooks are great(ebay) cheap
Ah. I thought we were still talking bizarro movies…
That’s the key to happiness.
im convinced the key to happiness is chocolate
or these:
http://www.vegetarianepicure.com/
Or this.
Well, one key to happiness. To be honest, it seemed like a thankless task at the time, since the evidence, given the lags, was so robust, that the naysayers (my boss one of the biggest) were wrong. Only in retrospect was it fun, because they were all wrong, I was right, and I learned stuff thru my additional work.
Think it’s time for me to turn into a pumpkin. Night all.
ew thanks
nitey nite,me too
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When Medium Cool was released (1969) no one knew wtf they were looking at or hearing.
COLLEGE WOMAN (behind me): Do you know what’s going on?
COLLEGE WOMAN’s FRIEND: I have no idea either.
COLLEGE WOMAN: (projecting?) This is really dumb.
Hey, how about The Cruise (1998)…
teh kewl!
For a second there I thought you meant The Crew, the one where Jeremy Sisto is some kind of pirate/hijacker with breasts…
Along that line of thought, I have called Paul Ryan’s office and asked how they are figuring the total anticipated stimulus dollars that are supposedly going to be “generated,” to spark the economy by extending existing tax cuts and creating tax holidays in other areas for the benefit of us little people. If the unemployed and underemployed are not working they still aren’t generating spendable income regardless of it being taxed at a lower rate. Nothing from nothing is nothing.
It’s like the vicious pricks are daring us to give them an excuse to surround us with their troops, put us in lockdown. But they have no prior models, no verifiable experiments with using their troops against the troops own kith and kin. They could have a mutiny or a junta to throw them all into their own dungeons. Historians will name the Bush/Obama years The Mexican Standoff Era.
Eli, back on topic. We may be reaching or have already reached a critical mass of voter cynicism – something way beyond innocence or apathy, when no one trusts elections from start to finish, whether the elections are ‘honest’ or fixed has become mooted since the outcomes are fixed and preordained. Perception equals reality?
I think so. Throughout the Bush years, so many people clung to the hope and belief that once the Democrats got the White House and Congress back, that some measure of sanity and decency would return. And instead we got more of the same.
So now there are a lot of people who don’t know who to vote for now that *both* parties have proven themselves to be corrupt corporate shills who hate gays and women and the Constitution in general.
That’s the essence. We had such hope. Now……… I wonder if I will ever feel enthusiasm for a candidate for office again.
Noam Chomsky on the one hand, and Gore Vidal using the same fingers for a more accessible audience – hahaha- had analyzed our system as a fake two-party ruling class of the propertied (Vidal’s locution). That was 30 years ago. Ten years ago Ralph Nader made it the linchpin of his campaign. Those are three marginalized voices. In 2008, as his last-ditch stumping effort, John Edwards appropriated the mission. He came in third in his home state as a favorite son behind Obama and Clinton. No regrets since we never had a chance. It was gamed that way by the Founders. But we are smart, resourceful, and always in pursuit.
yes mary but they wont be sitting with Dems anymore. they wont be there as convenient bad policy scapegoats for fake liberals. like i said, the whirlwind will at least blow the stale fart smell out of the cloakroom.
Exactly, and the mushy moderate positions they use as their frame make them look like wimps compared to solid conservatives (or solid liberals) who don’t back down from advocating clear, decisive positions. I guess that “solid liberals” part is hypothetical this Congress, but you know what I mean.
I think if you refer to Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Byron Dorgan, and Kent Conrad as the Republican wing of the Democratic Party that should pretty much get the point across…………
I am so pissed at the Blue Dogs and the Senators listed by UnkaWilbur, including MAX BAUCUS ‘SINGLE PAYOR IS OFF THE TABLE’ with his arrest of protesting doctors and nurses that I AM WILLING TO SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT AND VOTE AGAINST THE DEMS THIS FALL. Betrayal is a very tough meal to swallow. Bring on the subpoenas and let the show begin. DADT, DOMA, GUANTANAMO, TORTURE, GAYS ARE EQUAL EXCEPT….and on and on.
It would be a good thing to dispose of conservative/right wing/corporatist officials by electoral defeat. However, their replacements are likely to be no better. This is because, in reality, there is only one major political party, although it has two names. It doesn’t represent working people.
Until people put aside labels and recognize that socioeconomic class, rather than political party, is the basic unit of political analysis, things are not going to improve.
Think about it! Obama is merely the latest corporatist in a long string of political disappointments for working families. We not-rich folks are once more heading into the next cycle of disappointment with our eyes closed.
Don’t forget to include the “last moderate Republican president”, Barak Obama.
Hey, watch out–I’m a newly-minted Independent by virtue of my refusal to be a registered Democrat any longer. Actually my state calls us “Unaffiliated”. And I try my best to be well informed. I probably should have registered as a Green, I may do that in the future.
If that were really his plan, I’d think even less of him than I do now.
If only Barack Obama was a moderate………………But he is definitely part of the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.
When blue dogs lose, bluebirds of happiness sing.
Why would Obama not sign into law the recommendations of his very own Obama/Peterson Cat Food Commission? He made it official, albeit Pete Peterson gave him the idea, and he packedit with people who would be likely to follow the deficit hawk line.
It would take a true epiphany for him to not sign it, and I don’t see him as the type to change his mind very much.
Plus, he knows which side his bread will be buttered on post-presidency. He won’t tick them off.
It was Obama who took single payer off the table, from the gitgo of announcing he was beginning his campaign for his Big Health Industry Players Profit Protection Plan complete with mandated purchasing of their crap. Baucus did his work in the Senate; Obama, with whatever input from others, made sure single payer was off the table.
If Obama had had any interest in actual health CARE reform, he would have used some Kennedy staffers to work in his administration; instead, he chose Baucus’s chief of staff.
One never wins a negotiation unless one is willing to walk away from the deal. The person with the power in a relationship is always the one who is willing to end it. As long as we agree to vote for whichever large party is to our immediate right we will end up with a flaming fudge bag on our front step (e.g., the individual mandate). If we want to be respected it is time to walk away. I also live in Florida, and I won’t be voting for any democravens in November.
As a rule, wars never produce an overall profit. Sure, SOME profiteers profit but the countries involved in the war, even the winner, doesn’t turn a profit. Not since looting became verboten (general looting…corporate looting is still OK. Again, see above concerning “SOME profiteers”).
Simply don’t. OR vote for whatever 3rd party candidate (who isn’t a “Constitution” party loon or a libertarian loon) is available. For those races where there is only a choice between a Republicrat or Republican, don’t cast a vote in that race. Beyond that, vote out any incumbent.
If they had any ethics or morals at all, they would ALL vote themselves a pay cut and terminate their VERY cushy pensions and healthcare benefits (on our taxpayer dime, by the way).
Until they (every last crook in elected government) votes themselves pay cuts and benefit cuts so that they are on the same page as the real humans in the country, they don’t deserve to be reelected.
This is just speculation, but another reason Obama is tanking in the polls might be because Afghanistan is looking more and more like an endless quagmire. So far, it looks like the Taliban are handing B.O. his face.
We now see Iraq beginning to slip, Al Qaeda in Iraq reviving, and those “other wars” (Yemen, Somalia) going south. Couple this with 9.8 percent unemployment, a depressed housing market, and small businesses frozen out of the investment pool while Obama’s corporate friends make out like bandits.
In fact, if there is a common theme, it is that every one of these failures is the direct result of official, In-Your-Face corruption.
If the House goes R, look for impeachment. And, if impeachment gets to the Senate, look for some real hard-heads threatening to strip Obama of his Secret Service protection if he doesn’t play nice and resign.
I’ll be sitting on my hands when and if that happens.
Blue dogs are strays and need to be rounded up by animal control. An intelligent articulate liberal should be able to win any district. Half the reason they do not is because they lack confidence. If you are a true believer, people follow you. I am not opposed to common sense conservatives and often they are better than a lilly-livered liberal who lacks spine and a cerebral capacity to deal with the irrationality inherent in the fear laden conservative mouthpiece. Common sense conservatives do not seem to exist. They used to. Now, the liberals seem to check their spine at the door to the House of Congress. No one respect a person who has no strength in their convictions.
Obama is a bullied kid on the playground. He is incompetent as a leader, manager, and deal maker. Above all, he is predictable. Sure maybe he is beholden to some corpo masters of the universe but, at this point, I see that as a rationalization to provide some comfort in my mistake having voted for him. It provide no comfort however.
Some of these blue dogs are Republicans in drag and others are just scared punks trying to pacify the bullying class in their districts. Just as in the business world, mistakes are made. The house affords a two year time limit on our mistakes, lets not repeat it. The Presidency is double the time but, the fallout of this mistake is ever widening. A man at the pinnacle, who behaves as Obama has, deflates the spirit of so many who need the leadership to act. Now, those incestuous senators with their staggered 6 year terms breed aberrations. Let a bad guy in here and they are tough to get out. I hope every conservative in drag is jettisoned as a message to those liberals who stay. Grow a pair or you are next. D’oh-bama is a failed leader now…just wait. The subpoenas will be relentless as will the rats leaving the ship in January.
Time to put on the headphones, listen to Spock’s Beard, King Crimson, Mahogany Rush and enjoy the great outdoors doing my thirty miles of physical therapy. If you do not want to donate to the Democrats, you can still support Progressives by buying their music.
D’oh-bama is the man who had everything and gave it all away including his lunch money. Meanwhile, he partner Rahmbo is selling him out every step of the way. This becoming a modern day Greek tragedy. Really, who needs reality TV with this play entering ACT II?