For weeks now, we New Yorkers have watched in stunned exasperation as the local flame wars surrounding the inchoate Islamic community center in lower Manhattan, simmering since the news was first made public in December 2009, have erupted into a national conflagration of Teh Stupid. Suddenly, those people who usually have nothing but disgust for this modern Gomorrah (and too much time on their hands) are its moral champions. Clutching New York City, bedbugs and all, to their ample, American flag pin-festooned bosoms, they decry how those awful, moderate “jihadis” are going to turn the World Trade Center neighborhood, not exactly known for its chaste entertainment options and already home to another mosque several blocks up, into another breeding ground for terrorists. What will those dastardly fiends think of next, a chain of “72 Virgins” strip clubs?
It’s painful and infuriating to watch the fearful, ignorant lemmings who scream anti-Muslim slurs at strangers and generally caterwaul about “hallowed ground”, the radius of which seems to grow by the block as the days wear on. Today we learn that they have additional help from an interesting source:
[R]epresentatives of a wholly US government-funded outfit have joined the vociferous opposition to the Park51 or Cordoba House project that critics have dubbed the “Ground Zero Mosque.” A leader of this group—which receives $4.3 million a year from the government—has even proclaimed that the community center could be a front for Islamic terrorism. That’s not all: the same agency, the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), has been the subject of an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint for allegedly discriminating against Muslim employees.
Irony much? USCIRF’s stated mission is
“to monitor religious freedom around the world and scold countries that aren’t meeting religious freedom obligations outlined by international human rights treaties.”
Yet here they are, sticking a red hot poker in the eye of the Commission’s very purpose. Consistenciness!
Who knew that federal commissions received funding to impose their misguided beliefs on local zoning issues? It’s not bad enough that USCIRF counts John Bolton and other knuckle-dragging, neocon hemorrhoids as members. As usual with these thugs, whenever you overturn over one basking rock, more slither out:
To break this down: the chairman of the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (Leonard Leo) is working closely with a conservative activist (Virginia Thomas) who is a featured speaker at an event being mounted by an outright anti-Islam group.
Yes, that Virginia Thomas. You would think that USCIRF chair –and Heritage Society poobah– Leonard Leo would at least consult with his cohort’s Supreme Court bench-napping husband on that whole Tenth Amendment thing (though he probably prefers the “states’ rights” interpretation) before he starts shooting his mouth off with taxpayer dollars on a thoroughly municipal issue.
Feh. The most infuriating thing of all is that this entire episode is a textbook exercise in cutting off one’s nose to spite the face.
Islamic radicals are seizing on protests against a planned Islamic community center near Manhattan’s Ground Zero and anti-Muslim rhetoric elsewhere as a propaganda opportunity and are stepping up anti-U.S. chatter and threats on their websites.
Seriously, when you’ve lost the conservative Wall Street Journal with your self-defeating batshititude, you’ve ratcheted up the rhetoric too far.
(Note: Perhaps the News Corp.-owned WSJ is seeing the light because of that substantial Saudi financial interest. I think somebody should ask Glenn Beck how he feels about the Fox News’ collaboration with Wahhabist Jamal Khashoggi, cousin of everyone’s favorite international arms dealer, Adnan Khashoggi.)
So my advice to all the flag-wavers and opportunistic politicians who ordinarily wouldn’t give a subway-sized rat’s ass about this town: besides generally shutting the fuck up about how we choose to zone our property, why don’t you take all that moral outrage and federal moolah and put it to good use? You could start by ensuring that the WTC first responder heroes you love to exploit for professional gain actually receive the health care funding they were promised.
New York City can take it from there.



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That list of commissioners would have been impossible to believe even when 43 had the con. The burrowing, it burns.
Wow.
For a bunch of people who say they believe in small government, their list of things that they want their tiny government to ban and then police sure is extensive….and growing!
Yeah, it’s pretty stunning. All it needs is a James Dobson for the trifecta.
I was gonna say, “Why isn’t Franklin Graham on this list?”
But even he’s not howl-at-the-moon crazy enough to make this cut.
WT! Some of us are old enough to remember when Ms. Geller was rightly considered a freakazoid.
From long, long ago in a blog not so far away.
I know! I’m going to have to drag out the camcorder again…
Watertiger!
USCIRF would seem to be yet another Orwellian conservative boondoggle whose primary purpose is to stick their noses in other peoples affairs, complain about persecution of Christians, and promote religious bigotry.
Hey, what about, maybe Rick Warren? Are we all New Yorkers now? I liked the post Jane had up earlier. I agree with whoever in that youtube said we should have had this conversation right after 9/11.
At least, the focus is off us crazy Californians for a minute.
This really is a great time to have this debate. Do we have a religious freedom, or not? Are we a country that is a melting pot and wants to stretch the fabric to include all?
Woohoo! Kepler scientists are set to make a big announcement on Thursday. I can’t wait.
Something tells me that the 474 currently listed exoplanets are going to become a vanishingly small number before Kepler is done.
When I was in my twenties, half of the current Republican leadership would have been regarded as deranged lunatics, along with the Birchers, by most Republicans.
Say’s you. I think he’s got potential.
You need to check the updates at MoJo and make it clear to readers here that this is not about a federally funded group. The people taking this position were speaking in their personal capacities as private citizens and not on behalf of the USCIRF. The original write-up at MoJo was so poorly done as to be misleading in this respect.
What do we need to do to shut down their taxpayer funding?
A wholly-owned Subsidiary of AIPAC I’m sure…! What an ironic euphemism…! *gah*
Aloha, Agua tigre…! ;-)
As John Stewart pointed out last Thursday, This whole “Manhattan Mosque” mess is a Fox News created circus from conception to blueprints to fabricated outrage.
The largest holder of FOX stock after Rupert is the money man for group building the Manhattan Mosque .
The whole plan to build the Manhattan Mosque may have been concieved at a FOX stock holders meeting.
Yes, when it comes to religious tolerance, I would expect these folks to procede within some mandate other than their personal beliefs when acting officially.
And the Sun will rise in the West tomorrow.
Religious freedom only counts if you are a Christian (preferably of the Fundamentalist/Evangelical/charismatic variety), the rest of you devil worshiping heathen should all be stoned to death and burned at the stake.
I prefer me medium-rare, please.
When people of good will say, years from now, and they will — “Who is this Pam Geller who drove American discourse off the cliff?” — I am proud to say that I knew her when.
Wait, you’re saying Pam Geller got played by her favorite news outlet?
Because that psycho really believes the shit she spews.
Hey, ‘pups.
You know, sometimes teh stoopid just burns.
Tonight’s Daily Show is not to be missed… Faux News (Real Noise) gets a great deconstruction!
but save your jism,and ovaries
Sorry, Dr.D., but you’ve got the mood wrong. ’tain’t subjunctive. That Commission was begun by Booosh 43, ergo, it is another Orwellian boondoggle etc.
How soon after this whole manufactured crisis fades do these sanctimonious twatwaffles go back to hatin’ on NYC?
Can we say that on late night?
good nacht you good plebs,had a basement flood,going niters
Hellfires and Cluster bombs seem to be our preferred method these days…! 8-(
What makes you think they’ve ever stopped hatin’ on NYC? It’s not like the two things are disjoint, y’know.
sadlyYES!
You’re incorrigible!
/Daffy Duck
*heavy sigh*
Yes, I suppose you’re right.
Ah, I loves the smell of progress in the morning. In my Daddy’s day, it was Hellcats (and Corsairs) and napalm… on combatants.
Had no knowledge of its origins, but it fairly reeked of Bushevism.
I think that falls under the “burning at the stake” option.
By the way, speaking of things I wish I didn’t know, I went to the Urban Dictionary and looked up twatwaffle…
For some, like these anti-everything crackpots, freedom of religion means having the freedom to curse everyone else’s beliefs or deity if it isn’t the one they espouse and believe in!
as for the melting pot and stretching the fabric, again that only counts if the fabric is the color they paint it, the material they have sown, and if not…no admittance to this tent!
And to think, we originally came here as immigrants, kicked and squeezed out the indigenous people who were already here, and then had almost every country imaginable come to our hallowed shores past the Lady of Liberty to work and labor to build the country, and now we got this state of affairs…some of our esteemed citizens are truly a really dysfunctional set of peeps…no?
That’s because it was a by-product of the Bushevics.
America is too chicken, but…
If you really want to show the beauty of a pluralist society to the haters all over the planet, you don’t built Cordoba House two blocks away, or 10, or 5 miles – you build it right across the street from Ground Zero.
Right across the street.
But we are too afraid.
This is just this week’s five minutes hate. Or, in the case of Rupert ‘Manboobs’ Murdock, five days hate.
er . . . sorry about that.
The conservatives hate the the left coast and the right coast so why do they give a shit about what happens in either. They need to stick to Mississippi.
Wow! We have a commission devoted to scolding!
Well, it was meant as a snarky, rhetorical question, but yes, I have to agree with you.
Isn’t that the best? And here Sarah Palin was wasting precious bandwidth tweeting about those “cackles of rads”…
Some parts of our nation have done a better job of the melting pot thing than others. I’m thinking of CTuttle’s Hawaii as a fairly good example.
It’s never, ever painless. Read The Shoals of Time to see some of the pain and growth laid out. But (at least when I was a student there in the 60′s) Hawaii has done a fairly decent job of facing its history.
My fault, WT. I was going to harass you about dumping a neologism on us and demand a definition… Unlike Real Noise ™ I like to fact check, and bingo, bango, bongo, there it was.
watertiger!
*standing on chair clapping wildly* brava!
*heh* Ask a Hawaiian what he thinks of the ‘Akaka Bill’…! ;-)
You don’t spend enough time over at her place. It is one of her favorite expressions. That’s one of the things I like about going there, I get to keep current on all the best insults.
Demi…I know you had your snark on…I was just compelled to comment…it gets that way when everyday seems like a giant clusterf__k!
Awesome, totally!
don’t forget the pictures of cats doing silly things! ;-)
what exactly would you posit that we are afraid of besides our despoiled inner selfs?
Meh. A step forward in many ways, but plenty of poison pills in there.
Well, that’s a given.
Follow what compels you. Glad I could inspire. :) It was a great answer, really.
Okay, CT, what do you think of the Akaka Bill.
(I do recall Danny Akaka being a real.piece.o.work, so whatever he’s up to won’t surprise me much.)
Maybe they could get on Goldman Sachs:
Nothing.
My admiration for Jimmy Carter continues to grow…!
Bargain…visited there just once…Maui…always wanted to get back…everyone was pretty laid back and friendly no matter what their origins were!
“Harcourt Simpson Mudd!!!”
/old Star Trek geek
No fair…! You actually know the pratfalls of the various Bureau’s purview…! 8-P
If you want to know what kind of an outfit USCIRF is, note that it was chaired 1999-2001 by Elliott Abrams, and its pronouncements are often cited by Frank Gaffney. Per Glenzilla:
Note that there are three good links embedded in that quote.
Well, isn’t THAT special? Anything COULD be a front for terrorism, the Tea Party, the GOP, Focus on the Family, etc.
I was born in Honolulu, Kenya (same place as Preznit Nodrama), and lived in various places on O’ahu and in Hilo until I was 13.
I miss it.
It does remind me of a lot of Indian legislation. Give with one hand and take back twice as much with the other. The land claims issue is the real biggie to my mind. The gaming, not so much. That might bring in some benefits for the Native Hawaiians, but it has diminishing returns over the long term (the industry is simply getting too diluted and the pool of gamblers is not getting any bigger).
Stella! (Mudd)
also an old Star Trek geek
I don’t think USCIRF is affiliated with CSP, Gaffney’s group, but god knows, I’ve been wrong before. And it’s certainly easy enough to conflate the two.
Operation Rescue actually is a front for terrorism.
High five, dooood!
/puts Vulcan ears back on
Yes!…like our war policy!
Daniel is a good man, pushing a bad bill…! 8-(
It cedes way too much to the PTB for mere baubles, ala Manhattan Isle…! IMHO…! ;-)
I am quite sure you do miss it…have you been back for visits since?
Don’t neglect the effects of depleted uranium.
Eggs-actly…! It’s a travesty…! 8-(
They both seems to suffer neoconservative influence.
My Vulcan ears use Dilithium batteries. Unfortunately vibrating ears are less useful than one might hope.
I’ve been back four times since. If I could get a visiting appointment at any school there, I’d be gone for a year before you can say humuhumunukunukua’puaha.
Is Wiki a good place to get a read on it?
Well, it all depends on how creative one can be. Hiya Rat. Think about it. Can you hear me now?
Can’t call it terrorism ’cause that wouldn’t be bipartisan-y.
Heh. I kind of like that story, if only because nobody ever hears the whole story. The Lenapi Indians actually sold the Island 3 times, twice to the Dutch and once to the English. To make it even better, they did not even own Manhattan, but only had clamming rights along one stretch of coast.
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! :)
*gah* DoD is constantly assuring us Big Isle residents that the DU munitions they’ve expended in PTA…! DoD sponsored studies swear it’s all good… Independent testing says Bullshit…! And the MIC goes on…! 8-(
And they are mostly white, all conservative, Christian extremists, so they can’t be terrorists, that’s just them scary brown Muslimy people.
I am not as fast as that trigger fish…but I hope you can get a visiting appointment and catch those beautiful waves!
They even managed to sell the Brooklyn Bridge. Prescient, they were.
Shazam!
Howdy Nabors!
Was it the Fox or the Kickapoo that ‘owned’ it…? ;-)
Not a lot of demand for statisticians at CC’s, and U of H hasn’t been looking when I’ve been available.
I love that fish. When I first visited Hawai’i, I made sure to memorize that name – my sister and I would then just drop it into conversation at random intervals!
Peace out, pups! Another day, another outrage….
Well, now I feel all relaxed and happy, so I’m going to sneak off to bed with a good book. Right after a smoke, of course. Thanks.
Definitely a mouthful, eh…? Aloha, WT…! ;-)
Neither, as both of them lived in southern Michigan at the time (later the moved into southern Wsiconsin). I am not sure which tribe actually had settlements at the other end of the island. I got this from Robert Grummet, who used to (and may still) work as a historian for the New Jersey State Historical Society 20 years ago.
Actually the Lenapi (Lenape) were the Unami Delaware tribes…unfortunately they were scattered and dispersed in no time…although there are some remnants of them in Oklahoma of all places…forced relocation!
Nighters! Think I will toddle off as well (I have to go into work for half a day!). Take care all.
Good night, ‘pups. I have two batches of undergrads to torture tomorrow…
G’nite demi…pleasant dreams for ya!
I know. I am an anthropologist specializing in Native Americans and grew up just south of the larger Lenape (their real name) group in NE Oklahoma (there is another, smaller group in southwest Oklahoma).
G’nite Doc!…rest well!
And, the same to you, edve.
A Master’s in any subject gets your foot in the door for HawCC…! They’ve got a record level of students with a serious lack of Profs/Lecturers…! Funded positions are lacking in applicants for those needed positions…!
OT I saw this in David Dayen’s daily roundup but it is a truly amazing piece of journalism by Jane Mayer on the Kock brothers. You want to know how corrupt our political system is and how it got that way, it is thanks to criminals like the Kochs. Be prepared it is a long article but one I highly recommend.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?printable=true#ixzz0xQuvTcbT
Is it the same tribe relocated from Jersey…part of the Algonquin tribes?
Aloha, BCT and Dr. D…!
Hmmmm. I’m eligible for a sabbatical next year… I wonder if Mrs. Dr. CT will talk to me if I go to Lihue and she’s on year 2 of tenure at Cincy…
G’nite Bargain…may you dream of Hawaiian sunsets…
Ed, Dr. D. is your go-to guy on all things Native-American…! I knew he’d correct me, but, it was worth saying Kickapoo…! ;-)
Too right, Watertiger. I’m cackling like rad, or something…
Don’t always get how the youngsters talk nowadays.
I’ll keep an ear out for ya! Sweet dreams.
Night WT, DrDick, anyone I might have missed. I should wrap it up too. Splendid evening to all.
Aloha, rf…!
Damn, just get here and everybody leaves. Goodnight, ratfood, WT, DrDick, whoever else I missed.
The Lenape originally lived in New Jersey and a little bit of NY. Algonquian is a language family, like Indo-European, and one of the biggest in North America. The Lenape, like most of the tribes in the NE, except the Iroquois (and related, but now extinct, groups like the Huron, Erie, Susquehanna, Petun, etc.) were Algonquian speakers. So are the Powhattan, most of the Midwestern Indians, the Cheyenne, the Arapaho, and the Blackfeet.
Thanks CT! Good thing to know.
Being a Jersey guy for at least a good part of my life…I have a special passion for the jersey tribes…I certainly hope Doc was not offended with my comment about Oklahoma…I was just stating my amazement at the transition from here to there…and a forced relocation at that…but not unusual for our Native brothers and sisters…
Thanks Doc…see my reply to CT…I am in envy of your expertise and knowledge…
Oklahoma also has Peoria (Illiniwek), Miami (from Ohio), some Seneca-Cayuga, Potawatomi, Kickapoo, Sac, Meskwaki (Fox), Shawnee, and over 30 other tribes, most of whom did not originate there. Now I really have to go to bed, because I have to get ready to teach this shit for reals next week.
G’nite Doc…and Thanks!
Read that and was simultaneously amazed, pissed, and saddened! Potent article!
I’ve heard both sides of that, and it certainly looks to be very bad stuff, long term. I find it hard to believe that we’re still using it after the toll it seems to have taken on our own troops.
It’s sad… We know it’s detrimental for the troops to even handle it…! Yet, it’s in our ‘strategic’ interest to ignore our continued usage of it on our own turf…! WTF…? Is Hawaii a foreign land…? 8-(
Our troops are exposed to a lot of toxic stuff. Explosives, for instance. They get exposed to a lot of diesel exhaust, too, since it’s not only used by all those big vehicles, but the generators that run all the field HQs now. Oh, did I mention the kerosene heaters they use in the tents?
Anyway, I’m not too surprised there’s not a consensus on this.
CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: That Was Yesterday
Aren’t we forgetting something?
These rabid right-wing attacks on this proposed Muslim community center blocks away from Ground Zero are actually endangering the lives of our troops serving overseas in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
This insane anti-American attack on religious freedom in America is providing propaganda to the most radical elements of Islam, like al Qaeda and the Taliban.
It’s as if these rabid right-wingers, including those at the Bush-packed USCIFR, are drawing the recruitment posters for al Qaeda and the Taliban, recruitment posters they’ll use to send more jihadists against our troops, planting IEDs, sending suicide bombers, laying ambushes.
Are the right-wingers really this insane? Oh right, they red-lined on insanity a long time ago. Maybe they should all ask Jesus Christ for guidance, instead of listening to Faux News?
Follow the money: The Koch brothers to Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy, owner of the website stopthe911mosque.com. Gaffney enlists other Republicans including the Republicans on US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) in his effort. Gaffney gets the Washington Times and FoxNews involved, and voila.
BTW, it turns out that the domain name centerforsecuritypolicy.org was registered on August 6, 2001. Interesting coinkydink.
I wonder how the GOP likes working for Osama Bin Laden?