Now, spouses of servicemembers are being asked how they would react if One of Them moved into base housing nearby, or how they’d counsel their spouse regarding re-enlistment if One of Them were to be revealed in the spouse’s unit, or how they’d counsel a friend or family member considering joining the military if All of Them were permitted to serve openly in America’s military.
Of course, the servicemembers’ gaydar is also evaluated:
8. Has your spouse ever worked on a daily basis with an individual he or she believed to be a homosexual Service member?
Yes
No
Don’t know
Did your spouse share with belief with you? Did your spouse keep this belief from you? How many days did it take for your spouse to reveal this belief? Didn’t you wonder why your spouse kept this belief from you that long? Did you invite the suspected homosexual to your home in order for you to validate your spouse’s new belief? Did the suspected homosexual order a cocktail with an umbrella? Or ask for beer in a glass?
omg, how did your spouse ever resist the temptation of hopping into bed with that homosexual service member? Were you forced, as a spouse, to try new sexual positions based upon chatter from the break room at your spouse’s work? Did you ever wonder where these new ideas for bedroom private time your spouse was proposing might come from?
Did you check your spouse’s clothing for Teh Ghey cooties?
Spouses are also asked what level of support, counseling, and advice they might need when repeal of DADT is, you know, ordered by their servicemembers’ spouses’ command structure:
11. If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed, the military will want to prepare and assist spouses in understanding the new policy. How would you like the military to provide you with information on the new policy? MARK ALL THAT APPLY
• No special activities or communications would be necessary
• Distribute printed information to spouses about repeal
• Provide information about repeal on military Web sites
• Have interactive chats available on line to answer questions from Service member spouses
• Provide information through military chaplains trained to work with spouses and family members on repeal
• Provide information through military counselors trained to work with spouses and family members on repeal
• Provide information through Family Readiness Group/Work-Life Program leaders trained to work with spouses and family members on repeal
• Offer courses to spouses on how to discuss repeal within their families.
• Other, please specify: ______
Fliers and websites? I hope they print playing cards with the out servicemembers’ faces and Gay.com profiles on them. That’ll make them so much easier to identify in the war theatre and PX. Just like leaflets, playing cards are helpful when introducing an occupying force to an insurgency within — in this case, an insurgency with A Gay Agenda.
Finally, how will you act if One Of Them moves in next door?
24. Assume Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed and you live on-base housing. If a gay or lesbian Service member lived in your neighborhood with their partner, would you stay on-base or try to move out?
• I would stay on-base
• I would try to move out
• Don’t Know
• Does not apply, I would not live on-base25. While living on-base, which of the following would you do?
• I would make a special effort to get to know the gay or lesbian Service member
• I would get to know them like any other neighbor
• I would generally avoid them when I could
• I would do nothing
• I would do something else, please specify ______
• Don’t know
Again, these questions are being asked of spouses of servicemembers whose commanding officers are, presumably, implementing a direct order.
Just imagine, if you will, these questions being asked of any other minority denied our rights to serve openly. This is the latest in our American military’s road down their sorry method of implementation predicted by the Palm Center:
“All the countries studied completed their implementations of repeal either immediately or within four months of the government’s decision to end discrimination. These experiences confirm research findings which show that a quick, simple implementation process is instrumental in ensuring success. Swift, decisive implementation signals the support of top leadership and confidence that the process will go smoothly, while a “phased-in” implementation can create anxiety, confusion, and obstructionism.”
Servicemembers United gives the military brass too much credit, I think, when they say this:
Again we stress that neither the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff nor anyone else would ever stand for such insulting questions being asked about any other minority group in the military in this day and age.
First they came for the sexual deviants, and I said nothing….



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Did/would they do this type of “survey” re African-Americans “serving” + moving into quarters on the base?
Did they do such surveys in the South before deciding whether to pass the various Civil Rights Acts?
The teaching of history and civics in this country has definitely gone downhill.
So reminiscent in form… Where have I heard this derisive tone before?
I know,
– bingo.
Hello, Teddy.
I think I’m speechless. Thanks, Teddy.
Survey questions written by Frank Burns and an infinite number of capuchins.
A push poll about pushing poles.
Well, they certainly don’t want any Messicans moving in “next door” either….
Evening, mom, how are you?
Heya newtonusr
If I were speechless every time these bozo elites who run our country stepped on their own dicks, I’d never say another word. Really, they’ve run it right into the ground and now they want more money to buy shovels to dig us in deeper?
And no military assistance from patriotic gays and lesbians? I don’t think so.
The armed forces will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century the same as they were into the 20th. Let’s hope that Obama is as strong and principled as Truman (though I have my doubts).
They aren’t surveying “servicemember’s spouses.”
They are only surveying the heterosexual ones. There’s a difference.
ROFLMAO!
This is actually very reminiscent of how the military dealt with racial integration in the 40s and 50s, as well as full incorporation of women (who are still barred from “combat” units) in the late 20th century.
If they are going to have a website, I’d like to be the advice columnist for Middle American Military Spousal Unit’s questions about entertaining the Gay Couple of Master Sargeants who moved in next door on base.
Matching or coordinating handcuffs? Keychains on the right or the left?
If we’re going to have a culture clash, let’s be sure the clashing cultures clash harmoniously….
#32 Do you fear now, or in the past or in the future for catching the gay?
Hello Teddy. Just curious about military policy, but do they send out touchy feely questionnaires and take votes and stuff before storming a hill, taking a village or conquering a country?
Dancing on the head of a pin.
!!!1!one!!!eleven11!
That ship, sir, has long sailed.
Don’t look for principles ’round this White House.
That’s the only kind they recognize, though, right?
I fear that yo are right about that, but I really do think it will happen in our lifetimes and probably sooner rather than later.
They did conduct these surveys, in the late 30s — only at the time, questions weren’t just about allowing “colored” to serve, but also about Jews.
Predictably, the results from the white troops were, “Hell no, we don’t want THEM in here.”
The discrimination went on… until a President with some actual huevos came along and just signed the order, “Do it. Full integration, now. No excuses.”
Hi, Teddy.
Thank you for this.
Disgusting, but good to know. What’s so offensive is that, by asking these questions and giving these “options,” they’re saying such “reactions” are okay. [Otherwise why put them among the "choices."]
teddy!
Teddy…great post!
I wonder if they have had any questionnaires about their hetero servicemen or women abusing their spouses through violence…or infidelity, or a myriad of other behaviours… I would suppose not…just not muy macho to ask ya know /s
The fix has been in on this from the beginning. This “how do you feel about dealing with loathesome gays” is not a mistake or an aberration. It is part of the game plan. Gates, Mullen, and the top leadership both in the Pentagon and White House are looking for excuses not to implement a repeal of DADT. They aren’t leading the charge. They are being dragged along by events. If I had to guess, I would predict an incomplete repeal, and that put before a more hostile Congress next year. Should be interesting to see what closeted types like Lindsey Graham will do.
But of course. Because there are no geys in the Armed Forces. Just these odd people who never seem to go out on dates, and never, ever talk about their personal lives or history.
Yet every now and then, one of them inexplicably pops or someone rats on them and it’s another homosekshul kicked to the curb. Then we go back to believing there aren’t any gays or lesbians serving again.
It’s a mystery all right.
And, once repeal is implemented (because, we’re told by the Top Men, it’s only a matter of how not whether anyway) the people who said they’d need counseling or would ignore that couple who moved in — or OTHER, wtf that means (please specify: rocks, burned down home, cross burned at front door, eggs on front door) then the bigot can say, “You asked our opinion, why didn’t you pay attention to what we said???”
Command is buying itself such an awful ration of shit with this botched implementation it is as if they never plan to go to war again.
‘ello, ma’m
DADT Repeal: The Gay Public Option.
It doesn’t stop with Gates, Mullen, or the ‘top Pentagon and White House leadership.’
These are policies, actions, and decisions that begin and end with the Commander-in-Chief. The ‘Buck’ doesn’t just end at his desk, it also started there.
Not go to war?!?! What kinda furriner commie peacenik website is this?!?!
Jesus christ. I mean, god the fuck damn with this BULLSHIT.
Bottom line: Obama YOU. FUCKING. SUCK.
scuse crude language.
Yeah, hey, no fucking crude language please — the fuckers might call us fucking uncivil as they blast our fucking world and all the little children in it to fucking hell
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK…AND MORE FUCK…icing on the FUCKING cake!
well then fuck ‘em
The deference being paid to this issue reminds me of the Roman legion being asked about whether to cross the Rubicon into Rome, when to go to war, or who should be emperor — it’s a very scary kind of democracy when the cogs that make up a war machine as powerful and evangelical and undereducated as ours get to decide things. It starts with the very small things, like do you want the gays and lesbians in your midst to be able to serve openly? Then it’s: does your spouse object to that hot lady sitting next to his wife at work being an out lesbian?
Next thing you know, we’ll be conducting surveys about whether they’d please like to obey this or that order from their Commander in Chief. And which choice they’d prefer for their commander in chief.
It’s scary that you give up all your civil rights when you enter the military, except, apparently, the right to discriminate against gays and lesbian patriots who serve alongside you.
Well, now it’s a fuck thread, and I had such high hopes…..
Good thing they dig so deeply into offensive pantydrawer behavior. Oh, I’m in Louisiana. Where Huey Long said he could only lose reelection if they caught him with a dead girl or a live boy. Where an indictment is a prerequisite to running for public office. Where Republican family values US Senator David Vitter was busted for using hookers. But that’s not the bad part. He was paying hookers to change his diapers. But that’s not the bad part. His primary opponent is running ads about a Vitter aide who got busted for DUI, cocaine possession, and stabbing his girlfriend in the face. But that’s not the bad part. Seems Vitter’s assistants travel expenses between DC and Louisiana for court appearances are paid for by tax dollars. But that’s not the bad part. One of the Vitter’s aides duties in DC is working on women’s issues, presumably when he is not stabbing them in the face. But that’s not the bad part. Seems Vitter’s primary opponent, super conservative republican retired State Supreme Court Justice Chet Taylor is shacking up with his own son’s estranged wife.
One wonders if the military questionnaire covers diaper wearing, hooker chasing drunk degenerate junkies stabbing women in the face or Chester the molester “activist judges?
Just sayin’.
Well put. Obama could have ended DADT administratively anytime he wanted. Instead he and Gates wanted to do it by an act of Congress. And of course they are going to drop that puppy into a more conservative Congress even than the current one. So when it goes down to defeat they can say, see we tried.
not to worry Teddy…it was all Freudian slips!
WTF is this ‘if’ shit?
That has been their modus operandi on way too many things!
whoops sorry sir
This really is surreal.”Have you ever worked with or lived near a homosexual?” Do these idiots think homosexuality is some rare mutation that never never happens in a well regulated militia or community?
Don’t answer. I know.
Sir Wm. Gilbert
just kidding, I’ve been wanting a fuck thread for the longest time!
I envy Thers his.
Uh oh, then I am really guilty…apologies
Hello to Louisiana, then. It sounds like a place an oilfieldguy could get into a hella lotta trouble with very little trouble.
Be safe, or at least not sorry!
Please tip yer servers….
no, no, not at all.
As long as it was between one man and one woman, presumably both of consenting age, the military has nothing to say about it and no complaints.
Two guys or two gals holding hands in public? That’s cause for total panic and could bring about the utter and total defeat of the combined services of the United States of America, donchaknow.
Fuckity fuck fuck fuck!
I was only in the Army for one hitch, but have continued to follow military issues since, and have studied military history all my life. I was unaware of any surveys about serving with Jews having been conducted in the 1930s. Just googled it and came up with nothing. Nor do I remember surveys like this having been conducted about black soldiers being integrated.
When I was in the Army (mid-60s), the level of racial tensions from unit to unit varied quite a bit, but generally, especially in the South, military service was regarded as the best way for an African American to get a job there commensurate to his abilities.
The gay soldiers I served with knew that they could take the gay route out, but none did. The only guy I remember who did that seemed to be faking it.
BTW, the Naval Officer in the US Navy who first sought to end flogging, did so during the mid-19th century. He served in the War of 1812. He was Jewish. And Uriah Levy succeeded. At least on the flogging. His efforts to end anti-Semitism in the military are still an ongoing battle, as evidenced at Ft. Eustis earlier this month.
Great post, Teddy.
fucking game on dood
what kinda of fuckery is this? tis government fuckery of the fuckiest kind
oh my goodness! where is “whothefuckcares” on this survey?
I guess it’s not really the public option, since that required legislation. He could have stop-lossed the DADT discharges on 1/21/09 — in fact, that’s what he was elected to do.
What does that remind me of? Oh, yeah —
DADT Repeal: The Gay Gitmo.
Evenin’ Teddy and Firedogs -
would that these ‘capuchins’ devote one half this energy, this focus, on the Suicide Pandemic among returning veterans.
Don’t laugh. If you have seen some of the wanking by the exclusionists in Congressional testimony, it is almost indistinguishable from your comment.
The Rachel Maddow Show recently had a segment about some survey results from immediately after dub-dub-two when troops — and sailors, iirc — were asked about serving with Negroes and with Jews.
I wonder if Vitter’s diapers will turn up on Antiques Roadshow some day. Bet they would be very collectable.
But you have to
be a bigot…er, care, if you married a soldier!DADT repeal is supported by like 70%of Americans. It is a perfect wedge issue, like flag burning amendments used to be for conservatives.
One one side, liberals and moderates, the ideals of america, national security, etc
On the other – fringe bigots
Instead of saying that bc some jesusfreaks think that gays are icky they are reducing are military readiness by dismissing translators and so forth, Obama and the Dems manage to look like cowards.
We elected John Kerry, folks.
Funny you should ask:
Ewwwww.
It’s fucking fuckery with a fucking uniform on, with fucking epaulets
Great writing. Maybe Newt Gingrich could take some time off and go down there and give those folks some ethics lectures.
And don’t forget the fucking chevrons!
Y’know, I was in the Navy from 1991 to 2001 and while at an overseas station (1996-1998), I sorta, kinda vaguely suspected one of my shipmates was gay. It was on a ship that had roughly 400 people, so yeah, we pretty much all knew each other. It wasn’t that I was pro-gay or anti-gay, it was just that if you asked me to make a list of my top ten priorities, whether or not my shipmate was gay would have counted as a pretty low one.
My main concerns were more along the lines of “Does he show up to relieve me at oh-dark-30 when my watch is over and I’d like to catch some Zs before the workday begins again in a few hours?” “When I need for him to complete an ID Card application, can I count on him to understand that we need to have everything correct the first time so that we don’t have to go back and re-do anything?” “If I apply for a different job within the Navy, can I count on him to inform me about ALL the paperwork that needs to be submitted so that the Bureau of Naval Personnel doesn’t keep getting back to me and telling me ‘You NOW need to submit…’ “?
It’s just that, y’know, I had higher priorities than “What does my shipmate do in his off-duty time?” “Who is my shipmate romantically attracted to?” I just really couldn’t muster the energy to concern myself with being such a nosy busybody that I’d be concerned about such things.
They’ve been laying the groundwork to derail the repeal entirely for a long, long time now, and in truly military style constructing multiple layers of defense.
President refusing to end discharges or to announce any kind of date as to when they would end — check. SecDef and Pentagon officials publicly opposing DADT repeal “at this time” because we’re at war, or whatever — check.
Deliberately not asking to have the repeal provision put into the yearly Defense Authorization Bill, and when it sounded like it might happen, make a huge stink about opposing it — check. Water down the language so that the repeal isn’t really a repeal, but conditional on the President and two of his top advisors (or more) allowing it, but ensure the language specifically does NOT ban discrimination of any kind — check.
Demand to be allowed to conduct studies about implementation, and leak details about how expensive it’ll be, how straight guys will have to fear gay guys checking out their junk in the shower, etc. — check. Demand to conduct surveys with deliberately homophobe-baiting questions, with the bonus trifecta of asking servicemembers’ families if they’re afraid FOR THEIR KIDS if there are gay and lesbians serving openly in the military — check.
The whole “if” thing is at the basis of their entire approach: While they acknowledge that DADT repeal might happen and it is possible they’ll be ordered to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly, without discrimination or segregation, the Pentagon leadership — which answers to the President and does nothing without his consent — is doing everything it can to stop it.
you will not fucking beleeeeve what I have to do next weekend: Go to a wedding of two Army soldiers, one of whom is a step-relation to me. I agreed to do this because my stepfather is now, by attrition, the paterfamilias of this side of the family and needs an escort.
Okay, I look at the website of the betrothed and what do I see, but on their wedding website they have a picture of the two of them sitting side by side on Saddam Hussein’s throne in his palace with a caption that said “No PDAs while in uniform” and I’m thinking “You can’t use an iPhone in uniform? Why not? And what does that have to do with Saddam?” The whole thing was so wrong on so many levels it just left me dumbstruck. So I have a feeling it will be a really really weird weekend. “Have a nice life! Don’t kill too many civilians!”
Sorry, it was the 40s. Here’s the link.
Quote:
Weird. African American units were largely segregated until the Truman administration, but Jews had been integrated fully, to the best of my knowledge, since after the Civil War. And at the time of the Civil War, regiments were raised from communities, and often followed whatever ethnic lines there were in those communities, which led to many regiments being segregated to that extent.
I remember back in the days with my ex-husband who was a Vietnam war era Marine that occasionally they had to sort people out of bunks after a night out. Didn’t seem to make anyone too crazy. Two or three of his Marine friends were gay or bisexual and it wasn’t the end of the world.
I always cry at weddings.
Evening’ people – all I have to say is:
Bwah!
Gotta admit Vitter’s diaper fetish is my very bestest faaaavorite R pervert scandal.
I may, too, but not for the usual reasons. Sheesh!
I agree, if you follow the real trail…it inevitably leads back to Pentagramic Pentagon and the great pontificator Orahmba…one quacks, while the other lays an egg!
Aww dammit, you went and done it. Now I need the brain bleach again.
Teehee. Brain bleach for everyone! It’s on me tonight.
thank you, Becca, this comment would make a swell Seminal diary itself. You’ve put all the points in their strategy in one very concise list. Please consider writing it up for Seminal, it deserves a wider audience than it’ll get buried in a SLN thread….
My goodness, no wonder life on other planets don’t want to visit this place…they take one look at Vitter and barf just thinkin about an alien probe!
Wow!Fuck!
The questions and responses are just as bad as what Teddy’s diary is about. I wonder why it happened in the first place. Thanks.
Here are some important findings from these creepy surveys:
Every Jewish and black congressman and congresswoman needs to be aware of these similar polls over 60 years apart. I’ll look up Maddow’s program on this.
You can learn a lot at fdl.
My impression was always that there were no Jews in the Naval officer corps.
Reminds me of my favorite line by the aliens on The Simpsons:
“NO! We have learned all that rectal probing can teach us!”
This is another comment, rich in personal history, which would make a wonderful standalone diary at The Seminal. Please consider sharing your experience there — I think people have a hard time understanding the historical inanity of this debate: there have always been gays in the military and people have never cared more than right now, it seems.
*spew*
I think I liked it better when this was a fuck thread. ;-)
It’s a fascinating place, isn’t it?
I’m trying to think of the “group” of men I have not had sex with…
Republicans, Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Rich, Poor, Weird, Normal, Sporty, Geekish…
Hmmm, coming up empty.
That’s just me! LOL!
I guess fuck threads are too vanilla for the Sunday Late Night crowd…. !
My experience is the opposite. Annapolis has the largest Jewish cadet presence, for one thing. Mikey Weinstein’s group started largely because the Xianists were hounding Jews at the USAF Academy, and that, among other things, it was leading to suicides by hounded cadets. Not just Jews at Colorado Springs, but mainline Protestants and free thinkers.
Wo?
Have you had sex with the “wo” group of men?
My understanding is quite out-of-date
Watch out…Teddy does not tolerate insurrection! ;-}
One asshole commenter at the Think Progress report on the 40s survey linked to by Becca @68:
Wo-men? Well no. I’m like 7-Up. Never had it, never will.
I LOVE women- I’m just not going to do it with them. They love me the way I am, and I love them the way they are, and that’s that!
Too vanilla indeed.
BTW, thanks for the Seminal diary suggestion — I’ll think about it. Kinda tired here to go digging up links to match all those things I said, and I need some downtime as tomorrow’s gonna be a busy workday.
G’nite Firepups!
Dayam, In all my 20 years DOD never surveyed my wife’s views on anything…! MWR and other non-affiliated orgs have… WTF is this noise…? *gah*
Wow…even as a teenager and young adult!?! Were you out when you were young?
G’nite Becca!
Sorry if that’s too personal. I just think of teenaged boys as willing to get off any way they can regardless of orientation.
Been out since 16 – that’s Summer 1978 in calendar years.
I really do love women; my favorite to accompany on piano, whatever voice register. In my world, men are for relationships, women for working with. I just love women. I really do.
Yes, I think one of the scariest threats to our Republic is the all-volunteer army. Do they join to get away from Teh Ghey, then? And how’s that working out for them?
Hey Kelly,
That’s why I love working in art museums — we all love one another and don’t sleep with most of us. Really.
Well, there’s an excellent point.
When’s the last time the military asked spouses anything?
And why start now?
Lucky you. I’m always sorry for people who come out later in life. What a waste of joy and contentment.
Hey, folks — brotherpup Canfield has a wonderful diary over at The Seminal today, you can click over there, start up the music, and then head right back here for more chit-chat if you’d like….
All…we really need is LOVE!…i think the Beatles were right…
*waves to CE*
Seriously – no woman boss has screwed me over. The guys, yep. But in my whole career, women and I have disagreed, but women have never screwed my on the job front. Only men have.
In case the point hasn’t already been made, if I were the spouse of someone in the military, I would be MORE concerned about the straight folks than teh Gays.
Some late in life out folks have seemed quite happy with their eventual decision to be honest about who they are, though. And, I must say, some I know have lived with some, um, joy even late in life!
That is very true. All we need is love (ahem, class of 1970 HS). And we do have love.
Waving dearest!
All I can say is that I can never leave this environment for many reasons, but tolerance is the number one.
Sure I have heard all the moral majority issues of God’s word.
Then there has been the superiority of Homophbes that are so insecure with there femininity (or masculinity) that they are somehow threatened. Like a plague it will infect them and they might enjoy the contageous ride.
But simplistically, I have always considered the company that fear the cost of providing health care to same sex partners of marraige.
And they quietly fund and support all of the anti Gaay afenda folks. In terms of philanthopy to Churchs to do “good Deeds”. etc. Target recently comes to mind when promoting their best interest.
Are they worried that men in fox holes will be sexually aroused by another man and not perform their guard duty unlike a male trying to get into a fox hole in a gaurd bunker and not paying attention to their guard duties.
It always seems to me to be about the spouse benefits that they do not have to pay for same sec couples. Public option, single payer was met with this same corporate cost disdain. Companies are just not out of the closet to be able to openly say that it will hurt their bottom line that.
You don’t think so, What about health insuance companies. They fear this. Insurance payable for death to spouses will go up as well.
I am sure the military is looking at costs that would occur with more sppouses in the military. And their would be more to cover.
Just thought I would weigh in…….
Teddy, this is insanity! I feel like I’ve dropped off the edge of the world these days. Everything is nuts.
The military has been robbing these spouses and their families of their mates, fathers, mothers, brothers now for seven years. They’ve had to at least show they care about spousal attitudes toward military life, even if they don’t actually give a flying fuck. But the survey of spouses is troubling.
True. Belch only came out 2 years before I met him; and AFTER we met to his parents!
What really matters is what/how you live. And one can come to grace at any time in one’s life.
I agree over the military needing to step up and keeping their promises to our soldiers. Even if they are gay and in the military silently. It is wrong, just legal up to now.
Huh. So somehow gay people and their insurance claims are worth less somehow, or should be of some kind of cost concern? Or costs more somehow? Because they DIE in the LINE of DUTY?
If one thinks lives have different values, based upon the actual life one is living, ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~
~~~ModNote: We are certain that there is a better way to phrase this.~~~
Kelly…it’s out…you snagged #100…:–)
So you think it’s an economic argument they are secretly making, but have decided to cloak it in more acceptable bigotry and bias?
‘evenin’, all-
I have never heard of such a survey in my life.
I know that during my hitch in the USAF (early 80′s), gay airmen were common, and generally known-and nobody cared. Did they do their jobs, were they reliable, did they not let down the team? These were the issues, for straight and gay alike-and if all answers were yes, someone’s personal sexual orientation almost never even came up.
I hope his parents were cool. I wish ALL families were supportive, imagine how much better this world would be.
I sympathize with your observation Loo Hoo…the difference for me is that I feel rooted, but the world is slip-slidin around and each days events are extremely bizarre and angst ridden!
That’s a do-able. I can do that.
RonD,
Hiya!
Okey doke. I never fight with the mods. Let me look in the gay book of saucy retorts. On moment please…
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.
.
Ahh, here we go.
Robt dahling, the boa one wears is the boa one has, not the boa one wishes one had. Which is a fancy way of saying every homo in the army is as good as anybody else, and to claim there is some extra cost is beyond ridiculous!
[knocks back shot, and retreats]
Hey CM,
Do you have fluoridated water?
Not sure I agree. If force levels remain consistent, I believe the percentage of soldiers with spouses will stay reasonably close to average as well. Maybe a few points, but I think it would be a small variance at most, and something easily managed within the budget. YMMV.
There are so few democrats we can count on to do/say/vote the right way anymore…Scary.
Epic!
Hi Christine!
707 – and cheers!
Would have protected these soldiers as well as the stuff Rummy sent them in with.
**throws champagne flute Kelly’s direction**
Brava!~
[crown slipped a little]
*bows*
I forgot my own advice that I yank Peg about; Point & Laugh; go have cocktails.
Hey Ron,
What’s up?
Kelly!
CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: Stairway To Heaven
Kelly…
Point and Laugh LOUDLY…then go have cocktails…minor edit!
*waves to CE*
I’m going upstairs Lurk – sorry you have to put up with me for a while!
Often in the minds of the unwilling to differentiate, One Of Those is ‘pegged’ as One Of Them.
;>)
Not at all, Kelly.
/~~~
Hi guys and guys
I’ve always thought that homosexual love was normal, and a lot (like, too much) of sex of any kind was abnormal. Anyway, I probably got my formative notions from seeing Stalag 17 and From Here To Eternity when I was 9. I loved those movies I think because they portrayed real men of every type who genuinely loved other men. It’s no accident that they’re great movies.
And where’s that goddamn trash talk, just when we need it??
You could possibly be correct about the leveling on spouses. It is important to understand what obstructions have and will be put forth.
I haven’t seen any number on projected leveled spouses in question. I don’t think there are any. You can rest assured someone will come up with it.
I have read that many content, married soldiers produces a productive fighting military personel. This does apply to some studies reflecting same sex couples support for one another is in line with the same stability as that of hetero couples. Depending of course on the quality of the relationship. Amazing isn’t it?
Didn’t mean to break in on the sassy chat,going on.
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