John Podesta has a theory on why Obama is slumping.
As Mr. Podesta points out, part of the president’s significant appeal to voters — “a big part of the secret sauce of getting him elected” — was his promise to transcend perennial partisanship.
A more national, outward-looking strategy for creating a “postpartisan” dynamic might have included White House partnerships with Republican governors or even with conservative foundations or industry groups. Because the president effectively boxed himself in to a Capitol Hill-only strategy, though, he handed the Republican minorities in Congress the power to sabotage his goal.
“Once you became a legislative president, which is arguably what you needed to do, you couldn’t deliver on the nonpartisanship promise,” Mr. Podesta said. “And it’s something people wanted.”
Podesta’s notion that people wanted “nonpartisanship” is just rank Broderism. If they wanted that, why did they kick Republicans out of every level of government and replace them with Democrats in 2006 and 2008? FDR and Reagan weren’t “nonpartisan” and voters enthusiastically elected them 6 times.
But there was always a problem with Obama’s “post-partisan” positioning and it had nothing to do with whether he had to be a “legislative president.”
It had everything to do with the fact that the people Obama said he’d reach out to are batshit crazy, and finding some workable middle ground with people who think tax cuts increase revenue, global warming is a hoax, saving General Motors is Hitler-esque, whose policies ran the country into a ditch–and who think Sarah Palin was qualified to be president–was always a flawed premise, to say the least.



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Obama is the best Republican president since Bill Clinton.
Right on.
Haha, kewl!
Well done BT, well done indeed.
Sums it up pretty darned well, IMO.
“Podesta’s notion that people wanted “nonpartisanship” is just rank Broderism.”
Totally inaccurate.
Post Partisan = delusional/wishful thinking.
I only wish he were half as interested in negotiating with progressives as he is in negotiating with right wingers.
Put John Podesta in a room with Paul Begala, Rahm Emanuel and Lanny Davis and you’ll have four Republicans in a room…
Ok. BT hit it right on the head and the problem is clear. The DLC are no more than the R’s who couldn’t take the bat shit crazy thingy, now how do we get rid of them and bring rational thought back to the equation?
Minor edit on my part, pay little attention to the curtain or what’s behind it.
;-)
And a big morning howdy to ya!
Nice catch, Blue Texan.
Please retire the phrase “the Age of Palin” in future.
Bi-partisan, post-partisan, or bat shit crazy – none of these are “change we can believe in”
Obama’s persistent efforts to “reach across the aisle” look more and more to me like a friendlier Wile E. Coyote ever in pursuit of an obstructionist Roadrunner.
When an unquestionably intelligent President hires a set of advisers with a similar mind set, we are going to get a policy and politics by consensus. Thus Obamaco continuous attempts at the temple of “bipartisanship” and the subsequent watering down and dumbing down of legislation and laws, and the grid lock in DC can only be seen as planned.
Even if he and his fail to be reelected in 2012, they will have made their bones; to remain on the DC and world stage long after they should have disappeared while reaping everlasting, if undeserved, rewards of money, power and ego.
Tea Bag Tinman’s getting around today,
Spreading love and misogyny in his Palinesque way.
The Elected Offals are all servants of the corporations.
To that extent, they are NOT the problem.
Regardless WHO we elect, they either are or will soon be, corrupted to the fold of the Corporate Fascist Oligarchy.
We got ourselves BIG ASS problems with this, and it’s not about electing folks, it’s about them being beholden to the Corporate Overlords.
I don’t see that changing in MY lifetime.
BT, great read, thanks!
Nice correction but don’t let the worshippers of St Reagan the Magnificently, Awesomely, Incredibly Unimpeachably Wonderful hear you saying that.
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I assumed the point of “post-partisanship” was for Dems to pass bad legislation that benefits corporations, and point to the need for Republican votes as the reason it was so bad. But then the GOP (which rubber-stamped everything Bush wanted) suddenly morphed into The Party of NO.
I read Podesta’s comment differently. I think that the average non-political American did want the partisanship to stop, and that Obama believed that his majority would give him enough leverage to make it work. Remember, the idea originally was to bring over a few Thugs to vote on things, show them it didn’t hurt, and hope that more would come over. This is a conservative strategy, but from a political standpoint would grab the critical middle electorate who don’t pay much attention. What Obama failed to do (and I think Podesta might be pointing to this) is to react when it became clear after the stimulus bill that the Thugs were going to carry out a scorched earth policy on every one of his proposals. By not reacting early, he got trapped in a corner.
The results are not yet in. In 2008 Obama showed himself to be a superb campaigner. He can turn a phrase with the best of them. I suspect he decided to hold his fire until about now, but from Labor Day, he will be in full campaign mode. If he succeeds in limiting losses (and note that although we lose a senate seat Arkansas –which all things considered is not much of a loss–we will pick up a seat in Florida, and possibly in Kentucky. If Obama succeeds in whipping up the base, the Republicans will suffer a massive defeat even if they do manage to pick up a few seats.
Let’s wait and see.
Get out the oil can…’if I only had a heart’ needs some lube for rusty thoughts…
Republicans aren’t nearly as stupid as Dems, and win they House they will use their “mandate” – unlike Obama who wasted ours.
Seeing Reid’s reaction to this mosque thing, you can’t really describe it via a pro-corporate way. Everybody here says both parties are corrupt, etc, but how would that explain Reid’s cowardice (along with other blue dogs)?
I think big biz control of politics is an explanation that is too simple to accurately describe the problems that Dems have.
And in more (as if needed) proof of just how out of touch with reality the right is, in terms of policy and such, I think it’s fair to say that Obama is to the right of Reagan (in fact others have said as much).
Yet Reagan is, well you put it well, and Obama is, well, Muslim Marxist Kenyan Nazi Socialist Illegal Immigrant Hitler. Or something.
My theory is: he has not delivered anything he promised and attacks the people who elected him when they point this out.
Excuse me, but I just have to vent. Obama recently said, “I actually have pollsters, so I know when things aren’t popular. I know when they don’t poll well. But I was not sent to Washington just to do what was popular. I was sent to do what was right.”
My response: Then freaking DO IT, Mr. President. Grrrr.
/vent
If he’s so effing post-partisan, then why does he keep attacking his base?
Great observation BT…right on target…
The nation thought ObamaRahm was a shiny bright apple…if we had looked closer it would have been easy to see he was just a lemon…and a rotten one at that…
as far as
..this cat can’t whip cream…but he sure can lie his sorry arse off!
Me likee your theory more. Better.
Care to explain to me and others how the Dem pols who basically stunk up the beltway for the past 2 years have yet to come to your conclusions and return to their base. I’ll answer that for you cause they are not us at all. If these policy directions are to capture the muddy middle its not acceptable. I’m not caring much who wins in 3 months.
How about no follow-through on (essentially) all of the campaign rhetoric? Post or non-partisan? Talk about over-complicating things into a whole lot of bullshit claptrap.
You forgot the other half of this equation [as a couple of folks have pointed out above]:
“And he refuses to reach out to the sane people with the good ideas, the ideas he espoused during his campaign. Instead he calls them names ["fucking retards"], suggests they need drug testing, mocks them in other ways, and tells them to shut up and support him.”
Jeeze, when are these people ever going to buy a clue as to the real reasons for Obama’s “slump”? They seem content to continue to punch and blame hippies.
I suspect he decided to hold his fire until about now, but from Labor Day, he will be in full campaign mode.
Yes, the establishment Democrats are just keeping their powder dry, but just you wait. Any day now.
The keeping your powder dry theory always makes me think of Friedman units. It also makes me think of Zeno’s paradox.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love for the Republicans to “pick up only a few seats” and “suffer a massive defeat” but Charlie Cook today has them likely winning so many House seats that they control it, and if you think that Obama or any other Democrat can suddenly decide to actually fight back and reverse that trend in eight weeks of back to school season, I’m sorry but you’re dreaming.
‘Post-Partisanship’ = figleaf for corporatism
Precisely. Post-Trans- Non- Bi-partisanship whatever you call it is just another posture for continuing the status quo or making it worse.
Continual accomodation of R’s will result in good bipartisan legislation?? NOBODY IS THAT STUPID. It’s all contrived. If he IS that stupid then he should be ushered out QUICK for that reason alone!!
Obama campaigned on “getting along” with the GOP. You can’t govern that way. I have trouble believing that Obama thinks that anything but an adversarial approach to governing will work. If conservatives weren’t hell-bent on teh crazy I could understand his go-along to get-along strategy. But as it is, why does Obama waste his time?
I can only conclude that it’s we, the professional left, that are his adversaries.
It’s absolutely fair to say that and demonstrably true.
If ya feed ‘em, they always stay longer.
*G*
“I was sent to do what was right.”
And I’m still waiting for you to get started
I go along with: almost all of the above.
I think almost everyone who voted for BHO (whether holding their nose or not) was somewhat willing to give the bipartisan/post-partisan reach out a try. However, RePubs stated very clearly, very plainly almost from day one of BHO’s admin that they intended to block and vote against everything. Ergo, “trying” a couple of times makes some sense and shows the voters – especially the much desired “indies” – that you’ve made a good-faith effort to do your best. Fine and dandy.
Continuing to do so endlessly to the complete detriment of your campaign promises to those who overwhelming voted you in (and helped to pay for the campaign) demonstrates that you are dishonest in your intentions and that you have no interest in your base. The icing on the cake is calling your base “retarded” and then telling your base that they’re “on drugs” and to STFU.
Ergo, this POTUS is not who he said he was during the campaign. The notion of “bipartisan” or “post-partisan” has absolutely no meaning or value other than as “cover” for continuing the third term of the Bush presidency.
Although I also agree w/Larue @16: I don’t think it will much matter who is elected to what anymore as the corporations are now running this nation, and we are no longer a democracy. That is the bigger issue at the end of the day.
Wasn’t “post partisanship” the first stop on the road to “sixty votes needed to pass any legislation?” I’m pretty sure it’s in the same general area.
Obama’s promise of being post-partisan was actually one of the biggest reasons I DIDN’T want to vote for him. Who in their right mind thought he would have any success working with these Republicans? I thought he was naive … no, downright stupid for thinking he could be post-partisan.
I think most progressives wanted him to call out the Republicans for being the irrational, disingenuous, hate-filled party that they were. Instead we got all this talk about how we weren’t helping and that we needed to get with the post-partisanship program.
Yeah, that worked out about like we thought it would.
Your analysis would be interesting except for the following:
*Obama picked his cabinet, and his staff. Those picks were the FIRST giveaway as to what he’d be.
*FISA
*TARP
*HCR
*See Hugh’s List
Obama was and is NOT any kind of bipartisan kinda guy.
And in terms of whipping GOP ass at the polls come election day, well, it’s all kabuki regarding the core and source of our REAL problem.
We are a fully developed Corporate Fascist Nation/State failing empire.
And we WILL collapse. It’s inevitable, as history shows WRT Empire’s that go too far and disregard their core masses.
I tire of the Veal Pen Analyses anymore, they have been disproven and repudiated in this forum time and time again, yet SOMEONE always brings back the failed rhetoric.
LeSigh.
He’s fully operative by and for the Corporate Structure.
NOTHING he’s done (or not done) shows anything else.
He’s NOT serving anyone but the Corporate Power Structure.
Indeed.
Life is simple.
Well done.
Is this a candidate phrase for snark of the day?
Great Post!
Obama showed us how far a great liar can go these days!
*bows*
It’s maddening, but it’s incredibly saddening for this baby boomer who in his mid teens stood against The Vietnam War, bigotry, misogny, and more. And still do.
Incredibly saddening to see all that energy and change shaping gone to the toilet over the decades.
And leaving us, we the people, with our present sitch.
“…stated very clearly, very plainly almost from day one of BHO’s admin that they intended to block and vote against everything.”
And yet dems started out, pre-Brown, with the delusional 60 seats in the Senate. Whatever deficiencies may exist in any of the pre-Brown legislation, and due to foot draging I will include HCR, we simply cannot blame it on the Republicans. Democrats screwed up the stimulus and HCR all by themselves and it was probably their inability to govern efectively that cost them the Masachusets seat.
Thanks, have always appreciated YOUR comments and diaries here at FDL/Seminal.
Obama is a tool for the MIC. Its all Kabuki.
How a bill becomes law in Obamaworld:
Start with weak tea Republican-style bills (the facade of public interest barely conceals the purpose of enriching corporations). Both parties lie about the merits and shortfalls of the bill. The MS media helps to facilitate the charade. Republicans vote against the bill. Blame them. Water down further the populist portions to the point of total irrelevance while maintaining the enrichment of the interested corporations. This gets the hold outs – Conservadems – Blue Dogs and New Democrats (Obama was a New Democrat) to vote for it.
The screw job of a bill designed to choke out the last remnants of the American middle class becomes law.
Dems govern incredibly effectively!
Just not for we the people.
Class war, baby, class war.
And neither party is on the side of we the people.
Life’s simple.
;-)
I would suggest Brown’s victory elicited a sigh of relief at the DLC, White House, and DNC.
you got this right. Post partisanship? Imagine sitting across the table from Palin – McCain – Gingrich and Angle. Talk about a batshit crazy lunch.
I’m having a hard time believing Obama and Dem leadership is this stupid. If they are that addle-minded to believe in this post-partisanship hocus-pocus they don’t deserve to be running the country. If they don’t believe in the fairy tale, then everything they’ve been doing to this point is Kabuki to keep the rubes in line.
*BellRinger*
Simple recipe, lather, rinse, repeat.
Class war.
Thanks.
Am delighted to see more and more folks in FDL/Seminal beginning to acknowledge and address the big picture beyond party affiliations, beyond right/left, social mores, and such.
The Kabuki Veal Pen is all too obvious anymore, and has been shown to be (countless times) by FDL, its writers, and readers.
THAT is one snowball I want to see pushed downhill and grow to Godzilla like proportions.
*G*
Very good points.
Come on now!
Bill was my favorite president since I became of voting age many years ago.
….and spreading the truth.
I think the really bad part is the Pres and all his men could not adjust to the crazies and see there was no way to talk to them. Even those two from Maine were poison plus about 5 or so who should have been on his side and were not. Would it have been better if he said we won’t do anything at all with these people?? Would the mid terms have been more favorable? Who knows.
Only goes to show you can’t get along with a scorpion. Why he keeps pulling his punches is beyond me.
Similar age and status. My sweetie and I sometimes feel overwhelmed and depressed. It’s quite amazing how we ended up in this pickle. Not for lack of some boomers trying awfully hard to avoid just this. A lot of stuff that I believed a long time ago used to be called kooky and nutty. I’ve kept my mouth shut for years for fear of being thought completely off my rocker.
Sadly I’m not off my rocker; I’m dead right. But too many citizens – of whatever age & ilk – have been dead asleep at the wheel (and often still are).
I will continue to fight the fight as best I can, but I’ve lived in several third world countries. That is what the USA is NOW, this minute. We are not becoming a third world country; we ARE one.
It just gets worse from here, esp bc the rightwing has been so d*** effective at utilizing the fringe nutty racists and kooks. I guess those people somehow believe that they alone will be rewarded for their fealty to the powers that be. Boy, are they mistaken.
At least I have my eyes wide open; I have no illusions about how we’re all screwed royally.
And so: on it goes….
Sorry, slow on the uptake today…what’s MIC? (Microphone?)
“Dems govern incredibly effectively!”
I have said here and elsewhere, many times, that the legislation Obama signs is exactly the legislation Obama wants which would seem to validate the above quote.
But, the democrats will lose at the polls in November because they did too little, not because they did too much. And the public sausage making that produced the un-Affordable Care Act is all the evidence of incompetence most voters need.
You’re being “nice” with all due respect. The Pres had no other goal than WYSIWYG: what you see is what you get. BHO didn’t really care about the crazy kooks; they just gave him the cover he needed (and used to fool some) to get the agenda that he wanted all along, which, as I stated before, is the third term of GW Bush (imo).
“Yes, I said that. Yes, I meant what I said. No loud unruly bunch of hysterical screamers and fearmongers and propaganda pundits is going to make me back down.
“It’s not about right vs. left, it’s about what’s wrong vs. what’s right. And I will stand up for what’s right.”
Rinse and repeat. No lather needed.
Heh. Reminds of that old joke…”Hey, why’d you sting me? Now we’re both gonna die.”
“Can’t help it. It’s my nature.”
Military Industrial Complex.
Fixed.
Harry Reid did legislative backflips – bringing the FISA bill with retroactive immunity – the telcos were spying on us all – data mining – to pass against the will of the people.
The left and the right – the rightys with half a brain – raised all kinds of hell. It didn’t matter. There was a media blackout. It was a non issue. The independents, the middle, the low-information voters didn’t know a thing about FISA, the spying and the free passes for AT&T, et al.
Then, Crooked Weasel Harry got the 60 Democratic Senators – the Majority he whined about (He needed 60 votes to do anything to benefit the commoners) and he and his team of corporate stooges pissed all over us some more.
Ah, yes.
And, yes.
For Obama to say he’s a “post-partisan” president is just another way of saying that he’s using his power in the White House to squash the Left like a bug and demote the Democratic Party to water boy of the Republican Party.
Obama didn’t care if a bill was weakened as a long as he cut a deal with the Rethugs. Trouble is the Rethugs didn’t cut any deals but the various bills still got watered down. Obama will never give up on his warped wish for bipartisanship. The next huge test will be the Cat Food Commission recommendation on Social Security which probably will increase the retirement age which the Rethugs like so much. It doesn’t look good based on recent history.
Yeah, You know we teach our kids not to fight everybody. Try to get along. Now it’s like, if he’s red with an R on him kick the shit out of him. So much for post partisanship. Being nice is a character flaw, I suppose.
The Tricky Louse chant:
MIC is K E Y
that’s my MO you’ll see
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: Desperate Dodd Grabbing at Straws to Stop Warren Nomination
Obama’s hard to figure out. In his book Dreams From my Father (or something like that) he describes how he deals with white people. It’s not straight up. We think, because he gives good speech, that he’s smart. He may be smart enough to make law review, but he’s not smart enough to run the country. I think our disappointment stems from his being black. We thought he’d be better than the white guys.
Take his comments about the Mosque. He did not need to take a position, but once he wrapped himself in our tradition of freedom, he made himself look like a jerk when he flipped. It is difficult to chalk the incident up to anything other than foolishness or mental disorder like Hillary’s claiming to have been under sniper fire. Corporate bosses didn’t make him do it.
What I do know is I am seriously considering voting for the Republican representative for the first time in my life. I’m 81 so that’s a lot of representatives. I cannot stand Himes, the incumbent. According to news reports Himes was badly heckled at his last town hall meeting. I am not alone.
The MS Media is chock full of lying lackeys like John Pukedesta. We’ve been fed this bipartisan, post-partisan meme for many, many years. Its a smokescreen.
Nobody gives a rat’s ass about partisanship except lying lackies like Podesta as a way to misdirect the public. It also bores the smart ones as it befuddles stupid people.
Hey Podesta. You suck.
How about empty suit?
Godot!
If people as stupid as Reagan and GWB can do it, I see no reason why Palin is not also at least as qualified as either one a them idiots.
Don’t do it 81 year old dude. It’ll cost you a good chunk of your Social Security if the Republicans have their way, also Medicare as you know it will disappear.
Things are not good, but unfortunately, they can get worse. Just put a tea bagger in office and you will see.
That works for me.
The Republicans will screw younger people out of Social Security and Medicare, on the theory that they won’t vote in significant numbers.
“…they can get worse.”
Sadly, that may be what it takes to get sufficient support for a truly progressive agenda to take hold. Real change may require having a lot more of us hit rock bottom…HARD.
Exactly what I was going to write. The GOP voting NO! (r.i.p. Toobz Stevenz) for Obamar’s right wing policy is continually perplexing to Barry. His “You don’t even have to meet me half way” plea to them among the more pathetic and telling statements I’ve seen attributed to him.
Honestly, the only positive thing I see out of the coming GOP shitstorm is that they will hopefully manage to impeach Obama. Would love to see Mr. BiPartisan humiliated, permanently.
Think about this: had Obama been able to effect a “post partisan” partnership with Republicans, we’d be far worse off than we are now. Thank god the opposition opposed, it gave what remains of a Democratic party something to push off of. An extremely weak push, to be sure, but better than total, unconditional, prostrated abasement on every last and smallest thing. Boy, this country is in so much trouble.
Enough with pushing the scare tactics on the GOP. This isn’t Daily Kos. It is only through Obama’s 100% voluntary decision to create his Catfood Commission that they are managing to get after our Social Security.
Podesta is a Clintonite isn’t he! Well I guess that says it all. He’s a centrist, moderate Dem like Obama and they just can’t seem to get it through their thick, arrogant skulls that we are sick and tired of so-called “bi-partisanship” that accoplishes nothing. People don’t give a damn about how the Dems and Repubs are getting along in Washington when they don’t have a job, or healthcare, or a roof over their heads, or can’t feed their children.
What fucking world do these idiots live in? Oh, I forgot, he’s an insider, so the real world isn’t something he thinks about on a daily basis. Obama is slumping because he has been a mostly ineffective, cowardly president (proven yet again with his Cordoba House comments, i.e. the “Mosque”); passing mediocre policies that, when all is said and done, changes nothing, but exascerbates the problems.
Somehow in Washington, passing “a” bill is considered being a successful president or legislator. No, Mr. Obama, passing “a” bill is not leadership, passing a piece of legislation that improves the lives of Americans is goal of legislating, nothing more, nothing less, and that, my friend, is leadership.
WHY IN THE HELL CAN’T YOU PEOPLE GET THAT!
….and spreading the
truthLies.You wouldn’t know the truth it is bit you in the ass tinman… hollow as eveah
Obama makes Bill Clinton look like Karl Marx.
Once he took office with huge majorities in both chambers, he should have passed the legislation he promised to during the campaign. You don’t need to “grab” anything….you’ve got the Congress you need. Governing to the middle, actually to the right, for political reasons is just another excuse to promote corporate, right wing policy.
I suppose. …. or not.
‘the Age of Palin” ??? What kind of bullshit construct is that?? She is a scientifically provable stain on the earth so don’t try and construe her as anything else… she’s garbage and the people closet to her in Alaska think so as well.. Ask them..I dare you…
we don’t “get rid of them”
the repuglotard party dies, and the Democratic party splits into two parts
that’s the way I see it
Don’t know. Looks like I’m screwed either way.
She personifies today’s GOP.
When Repubs are in power, their strategy is to be 100% partisan, and get around 100% of what they want.
When Dems are in power, their strategy is to be bi-partisan, so that each gets about 50% of what they want.
Therefore, given an equal number of terms of Repubs and Dems, the Repubs get an average of 75% of what they want. (Obviously, they get more than that because the out-of-power Dems refuse to be as obstructionist and cut-throat as the Repubs.)
Why is this the Dem strategy? It is guaranteed to fail.
Obama wasn’t elected to be bipartisan or post-partisan. He was elected for two simple reasons: to fix the mess the Republicans made and to Get Shit Done.
I agree most Americans want more civil discourse. Unfortunately these Americans don’t watch cable TV all day and generate the profits for the corporate media circus that enables the soulless politicians to puppeteer the batshit crazies in their craven attempt to return to power.
The bipartisan meme was a useful tactic in the early days of the administration, but the proposition that Americans value bipartisanship more than solid leadership is absolute fiction, albeit one that well serves the corporatist oligarchy we live under now.
Good post BT.
ralph nader said the following on bill maher’s show before the election.”it doesn’t matter who’s elected.they will be slaves to their corporate masters” this is somewhat of a paraphrase, but very prescient.
we’ll get fooled again, again and again.