zed

Second round interview next Tuesday. A month after first round. 2 more hours.

Wow!
Hey Suz!

hey wmd — how ya doing tonight?

evening, Suz — how’s everything with your family?

I’m doing well. Guess my saying I don’t mind commuting to Sunnyvale did something.

hey newton — how’s the west bay tonight?

Hey Suzanne, Newt, PPDCUS, and wmd1961.

hey ppd — we are hanging on… thanks — how ya doing tonight?

something like a job offer?

hey wigwam — how ya doing tonight?

Not yet. But a second set of interviews is a good sign.

oh yeah (in best ferris bueller voice) woohoo wmd — when is the second set?

Tuesday afternoon.

Right fine. How’ve you been?

Good luck!

sweet….. i’ll be crossing my fingers and toes extra hard for ya dood — you are way way fucking overdue

i’ve been better but then again, i’ve been worse

Thanks.

Great down here Suz.
Hey wig

I have a phone screen with M$ (of all companies) on Friday.

woohoo that guy! that’s great news dood — how goes?

Ehh, ok. I’ve been tired a lot. I am old.

Doing about as well as we can …

I’m going to sleep soon.

my oldest girl, jen the bride, said she knew she was a grownup when she was tired all the time

Suz, what a great choice!
Hi wmd, wigwam, PPD, newton and everyone

got a quarter for the jukebox before ya head out dood?

Suz!!!

Pups, I left a ton of jugband down below if ya wanna bookmark it for some other time.

I’ll not repeat it all here.

BUT!

Suz encouraged me!

So, here’s two last ones!

New Minglewood Blues, OCMS

This is a MUCH older version of the song, with lyrics completely different from the version I grew up with, first from Greatful Dead, then Kweskin Jub Band, and others along the years as I begin to fest recently and hear and learn more.

Born In The Desert, Raised In A Lion’s Den.

New, New Minglewood Blues, First Time I Heard It!

First album they did, I heartily suggest any Pups check that vinyl out, go thru the Youtube links at that last one! Great album! ROCK!

They started to change it a bit.

And others have done it too.

GREAT old school song!

A fest jammer.

How’s all you Puppers?

Anyone festin, or pickin?

(sigh)

hey margot — glad ya liked it — how’s ohio?

hey larue — how’s sac?

Suz! Happy Thursday to ya…Eastern Standard that is…

hey edve — happy wed nite from the left coast — how ya doing tonight?

Sure, here you go.
Good night all.

Hello dear Suzanne, how’s your wee bay tonight?

Good luck to you wmd.

Thinking of you.

cloudy and the air has a bite to it. i’ve got a fire going to chase away the damp chill

thanks wmd — g’nite dood

night wmd, thanks for the song.

hey mauimom — how’s your island?

Here’s Nick Lowe for your listening pleasure.

When I was farming, an old tiller of the soil would tell me ‘when you stand up in a corner with your overalls on and are TOO tired to lay down, then you ARE tired!’

hey mr why — how ya doing tonight?

I would love a “chill” or some rain!

Please don’t hate me, but constant “paradise” is boring, and no rain is difficult for the things that ought to be green.

Cooling down a tiny bit, for which I’m grateful. If it gets hot during the day I think of Oktoberfest and I cheer up.

where did you farm? your own farm or working on someone elses?

The moon is shining and the stars are glowing…so I am not gonna complaint…and you?

we need some rain too… the same weather all the time is boring — i like oregon having 4 seasons instead of just wet and dry like ca did

Me? As ya can see, I’m a bit fahred up on musics and such tonite.

Missin the festin, for sure.

Sac now, it’s kewl, still.

Scary kewl.

Hi 80′s, low 90′s. 50′s at night, with fans suckin IN the kewl delta breezes, it’s darn chilly and the way I like it to sleep.

It’s phookin August, Dog Daze!

Not a 100F since what, June, I think, maybe ONE in July.

Just unHEARD of.

Garden’s off the hook, eating 5 kinds of maters daily.

Got bags and bags of basil frozen, more growing, more seedlings starting.

More mater plants coming up from scattered seeds I’ve tossed with out regard.

You would NOT recognize our front area. *G*

I tossed some dirt down a month or so ago in places around the AC unit, and then just tossed seeds out.

Basil, various ‘maters, some yellow bells, and more, some yellow squash.

They are now coming up outta the ground, and will grow thru November at this rate!

I guess, I need to take pix, upload to photobucket, and make a diary.

I’m tellin ya, our stuff’s off the hook crazy this year!

A dream for me!

We eat fresh maters and fresh herbs daily, and I am getting a freezer full of herbs, for winter pesto’s and such.

Don’t wanna jinx us but, I also entered a contest for two tix to Fall Berry Fest.

We MIGHT still get there.

Might.

Damn I need a fest!!!!!

ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHH!

Ok, better now.

lol

A good friend’s family in North Carolina, outside of Ashville in a little ‘blink and your past it’ village called Weaverville.

oh dood i hope ya win those tix!!!

For all the professional liberals out there, from Carlene Carter.

i’ve known towns like that :)

hi margot

fire or fire

Evening all
Suzanne, I’m so sorry for your family’s loss. It’s so hard to have the world shake not once, but twice. Peace.

It’s warm and humid tonight, some people will have trouble sleeping, so turn the music down low, please.

Really! I was out in my bathrobe! Invigorating.
56F at 7 AM.

Delighted to see it come.

we sure do need an unbreakable heart mr why — thanks

I must say this past summer here in North Jersey has treated us well…bumper crop of cukes, yellow squash, zukes, and heirloom tomats…last year was a total wash out and the blight and fungus were devastating…sometimes gardening and farming is like going to a casino…ya might win and ya might lose…

I’ll take a garden any day…dirt in the fingers and the toes is like nirvana!

A couple of hours ago I was reading Rayne’s excellent diary re the Gallup information Valley Girl pulled together,

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/65826

Thought I’d discuss it with my 24-year old daughter, who’s been here for a visit for a couple of weeks, to get the view of “the younger generation.”

Quite discouraging: she’s a smart girl, lived in NYC up to now, supported Obama [her mother's fault], and she’s got that same mother sending her articles, clippings, etc.

However, she had the same opinions as another girl her age I talked to about a month ago: entirely too much “sympathy” for Obama, “he can’t do everything,” “he got health care through” [barf + lecture by Mom], and on and on through the list that might as well have been generated by the DNC or Kos.

She admits she should “know” more, but she clearly regards her Dear Mom as a radical, sour, hyper-critical crank.

thank you openhope. how ya doing tonight?

hey starbuck — how ya doing?

We strolled bravely across Burnside Bridge this afternoon, Badger and Bear. No small feat, considering neither of us likes the heights. But we’d do it again, although we MAXed it home from Lloyd Center, after a stroll around the mall and some light shopping. A mall with an ice-skating rink! Who transported me back to a more innocent era and place?

It’s wonderful here tonight, very cool and almost crisp. Quiet too, more so than on the hot nights.

A bit more Hippie Grass, from Jerry N The Boys:

Cold Rain And Snow

But I still like THIS version, their origanal.

Cold Rain And Snow, Fast

From their debut album, ’67, with Pigpen on keys. Capt Trips, in his youth, and his voice.

Sigh. You can HEAR that old mountain sound he grew up with back east, before he came to CA.

He was a grasser, Jerry Garcia was, then, after, and always.

And he know how to take the grass to the rock.

*G*

Here’s a version of Cold Rain And Snow, I still drool over.

It’s Del! Bluegrass style all the way! YOU try and sang this in his range!

*G*

In That Cold Rain And Snow!

Suz, we counted pennies, paychecks and expenses, and we MIGHT make it if we get them.

Thanks for your support! *G*

I’m dyin here . . . lol

Bathrobe?

Ok, we been out runnin nekkid!

;-)

yay teddy — soon you guys will be strolling across bridges without a thought just like the rest of the portlanders.

oregon is a lot more innocent than the bay area — my first experiences with the local news had me baffled — they aired stories about auto burglaries — hell, in sf, if there wasn’t a death, it didn’t get covered. now i’m used to it and i like the small town feel of the local news.

grass

Yeah buddy, and we do what we can in a little apt.

A 2 x 12 patch in back, some little room out front, and some 100 pots of various sizes.

Not a full farm, but enuff maters and herbs to make the cook happy, and cut some costs.

My goal this year is to have pesto making’s in January!

In the freezer!

*G*

Here’s an earlier version of Bruce on Fire.

Having a good day. My husband went out crabbing with our daughter’s boyfriend, just the 2 of them. They came back with 5 gorgeous crab and a sense of comfortable friendship. Yay!

Larue…

used to listen to Jerry N the Boys when they did their free gigs in Golden Gate and the Panhandle back in the day…if you rapped with the man, he was all about pickin them strings and settin his heart free…RIP Jerry!

i was looking for the porky pig like cover of bruce but couldn’t find it… thats a good one mr why

Yes we can !!

yay and yay! crab boil or cioppino?

Her mom is similar to my wife, and is greatly endeared to me and all proggy’s no doubt.

Mauimom, I wish ya well, and may your daughter come around to yer ways.

We don’t have kids, so I’m always reluctant to comment on such.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to raise them, and they don’t follow the lead.

But I understand, it’s common for the species.

Damn, I’m hurting just reading your travails.

Wishing you and the kids in general, the best for all our existences here on this rock.

Classic…haven’t heard that one in awhile Suz

Good! I’m glad you enjoyed the walk.

I wasn’t far from you this PM. The classical music station (89.9FM) had an open house. It’s just south of Lloyd Center.

That rink has been a anchor there since at least 1961, when we first discovered it.

Teddy, I had the same fear in my early teens, in Chicago, where the bridges, as here, opened for river traffic. I was panicked the bridge would open while I was in the middle. So I strode across, carefully but without stopping. It cured me.

wont get fooled again

Do that too, but not in daylight.

*G*

One of my favs from then.

And your reply to Teddy P about Portland caught my heart.

At one point three years ago, I was working for a company and we wanted to move to Tacoma, WA.

The NW has this musical and fish, and air and freedom thang that gots our attention.

My SISTER, and her hubby, are in WA.

They ain’t hurting for fresh.

I’m quite jealous.

*G*

Sounds like a little bit of peaceful terra firma there…doesn’t really matter about how vast the plot is…growing your own is the thing…good for you and yours…good for the ole spinnin globe…

Thanks, Larue.

I think part of the problem is that I’m so burned out and cynical re Obama, and I’m not clever enough to mute or conceal this.

Probably I’d be more effective if I were to mute the anger, disgust.

I’m 57, my older sister took me to Golden Gate and Panhandle when I was 14.

That was ’67.

Dead, Airplane, Ace Of Cups (Janis Wannabe’s), Phoenix, on the back of a flatbed with the sounds.

My first pot, my first time seein old guys tongue kissing young girls.

Man was that weird.

I caught on quick, though!

*G*

Why thanks OH!

I’ll take some pics tomorrow, and do a diary, to update my last one from early July or so.

Thanks!

*G*

The Who doing Tommy was the first concert I ever went to. 15 yrs old. With an unknown Leon Russell as an opening act. It’s hard to watch them doing the same fucking songs 4 decades later. I think I might be a bitch.

Robin Williams, perhaps?

*G*

really is a nice place to live… at least oregon. i’ve not really been to washington state, other than a 2 day drive through back in 05 so i don’t know about up there. but oregon has some real nice folks and lotsa outdoor stuff to do

YES! i couldn’t think of who did it…. thanks mr why. was thinking it was porky not elmer…

Teddy…

the skating rink place sounds great…now if there was only an olde timey wooden horse carousel nearby…it would be the icing on the cake…an innocent era from days goneby.

When I was 16, the thought of a 30 year old having sex was disgusting! I was absolutely sure I would never see 30.On the night of my 30th birthday, I was rather queasy, and had a hard time going to sleep.

Now the thought of having sex with a 30 year old is robbing the cradle!

I can get over that rather quickly!

i know i am :) come sit here by me

Actually, I believe there is one just down the street, along the Light Rail line.

rut roh.. coming up on the 100.. time for me to shut up while one of ya’ll snag it

Give it a rest, Suz!

Thanks hoss.

It’s a daily pleasure to view and tend.

I’ll try and take pics tomorrow and post a diary.

I guess, I’m kinda proud what we’ve done with what little we have, and the apt. complex rules we have to live by.

*G*

Yes, at 16. At 18, out on your own, those 30 yr old guys with money and life interests look a lot better. But, it was the 70′s recession and there was a fine line between 30 and 32.

I have learned with my 27 y/o son to avoid arguing about his current thing, objectivism. It is so tiresome but he’s a very sweet kid and I want us to remain on good terms.

You got it…the tunes, the sweet smell of eucalyptus and grass blending together, and the ‘vibes’…lots to process for a 14 year old dood…

I was living two doors down from ‘It’s a Beautiful Day’ with David and his lady and the band…talk about a trip…some memories…but I admit a lot got lost in the haze of the daze!

Corporate radio, corporate record companies, and such, have killed and overplayed our music.

I can appreciate your burnout, I am burnt’ out on anything I’ve EVER heard on FM radio since ’70.

*G*

happy 100 edve!!!

Oh my god that’s too funny!

I.

Uh, I.

Well um, I.

Yeah, I.

Ok.

*G*

Suzanne,

One of my favorite Bette Midler clips, especially her opening that emulates the end of Nijinsky’s rendition of Debussy’s Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun.

My all-time favorite Bette Midler is her work in the musical, Gypsy. Here she is doing the last number, Rose’s Turn.

Here’s her rendition of the same closer at the ’94 Emmies. The band is better than the movie, but she was under a lot of pressure that night.

I was music director for the last Alaska production of Gypsy in 1995, and I’m trying to interest people in doing a new production.

Time for me to say goodnight, folks.

I’ll leave you with a lullaby.

g’nite mr why

SUZ! I wasn’t even looking…then zap…100…do I get a little silver paper star or somethin?

hey et — how’s alaska? i wanted to do this one but embedding is disabled on it :(

G’nite mrwhy!

you get crowing rights… until (and if) the 200 is snagged.

Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes

I’ts A Thin Line.

I saw them do this in Monterey, at a place I was workin, on a Sunday Jazz Afternoon.

Circa ’75 or so?

Full horns, back up sangers.

I was schleppin food.

And dyin from the music.

LeSigh.

Barrel House, Alvarado Ave, for all you old farts.

*G*

My kids are shutting down politically, too. My solution is to have them over for a home cooked dinner and watch the The People Speak, Howard Zinn’s amazing documentary with readings by actors of historic letters with a real explanation of American History. It’s out on Netflix.
I’m going to have to call in Markers to get them to watch. We’re homeschool, so even at 20 and 22, they still sigh and do it. And then get invigorated.

Caw! Caw!

Openhope… great solution…may it it be enlightening for all in attendance!

*laughing*

Oh Ed!

The Redheads? THEN!

You must be older n me, and luckier.

*G*

LORD the sister to the fiddler was grand, and gone, so fast.

And then Patty something, I forget, took lead sanger.

Beautiful Day was awesome.

First two albums were insane, despite the band changes.

Fine, fine music.

*G*

Patty Santos. ?

Well pups, it’s that bewitching hour of 2am here in Northwest NJ, so with a heartfelt wish of peaceful rest for all, I bid you a goodnight…

..and for good dreamin…

white bird

g’nite edve

BINGO!

Thanks, memory ain’t all that good, and I’m lazy to google what I SHOULD recall!

Patty Santos.

Great pipes, lovely, and musically solid with David for a long time.

*G*

Best fire.

http://www.youtube.com/user/donvinny44#p/a/u/1/EM-ubvZfEfo

I’ve never seen that before. Wow! It’s really complex. Trashy women, eh? They must have rehearsed for hours.

It owes a lot to another number from Gypsy – You Gotta Have a Gimmick.

hey vmt — without a doubt!!! how ya doing tonight?

From Bill Graham’s Voice I think?

And a fine song.

Still.

I can listen to this one, over and over still, unlike too many burnt out hits.

Bless ya Suz.

*G*

night all, be well

You have so many good ideas. I’ll have to check out that movie.

I love that song!

from fillmore: the last days, now out on dvd… some fine tunes.. i got the cd’s years ago and that’s not a bad tune there

I’m on fire, Suz! Thanks for reminding me to track that Hendricks song down. I forgot about it.

i always liked gypsy rose lee — there was something about her that drew me. maybe it was her determination to be treated right.

g’nite ppd

metaphorically? tis fire season on the west coast…

Did you read her book?

I went mushroom hunting today. Brought back about five pounds of usable fresh King boletus. Cooked some of it tonight. Ambrosia.

It’s part of Howard Zinn’s ” A People’s History of the United States”. He wrote the history book, then a follow up book on the letters, and this is a reading of the letters production that’s being performed in different cities, ad hock, I think.
It’s inspiring. And sad , all those words are as current to our own situation as the words of the “underclass” throughout our whole American experience.
Born to the pitchfork.

To this day . . . .

*G*

Still joyous I saw them, at that venue, then.

And I saw more than a few fancy jazz pickers at that venue, then.

Including Chuck Mangione.

Sittin in with locals.

He did Children of Sanchez, and the locals all knew it, note for note.

Chuck, The Children

Aside from Chick Correa and Return From Forever, and Flora Purim, and Airto, Chuck was grand back then.

Sigh.

LeSigh.

i think i did when i was a teen.. lardy what a mother she had. didn’t she write it after mama died and she didn’t have to worry about a lawsuit?

Yep. I’m actually chilling out after an interesting night funning around in the city.

interesting how?

Yep, the old End Of The Fillmore was a great compilation.

Goes on forever, with all our favs.

I have a DVD of that, I got for a birthday present.

When I review it, I just end up bawling like a baby, and smiling.

Costs a fortune in hankies.

*sniff*

*G*

Thank you for the excellent tip! I’ve been heartbroken over my soon-to-be 25yr. old son’s move to the right. He’s such a good soul, but something about the dogmatism has ensnared him. “The People Speak” sounds like an excellent way to appeal to his better nature.

Butter.
Garlic.
Shrooms.
Balsamic.
Red wine.

Schloooove!

*G*

Yer all over the issues, lately, thanks for all ya do.

hey sb — how’s santa barbara tonight?

Theater moms in the USA are worse than soccer moms in the lower 48 and hockey moms where I live. I’ve done a bit of community theater. While I respect the hard work ethic, in productions involving kids, they often work them way, way too late in the evening and into the night. Gypsy Rose Lee’s mom wasn’t all that atypical.

Interesting?

WHAT city?

LOL

{{{{Larue}}}}

thanks

I’m a jack of many trades, master of very, very few…

was my first exposure to the idea of a stage mother…. left a real bad taste in my mouth — and an appreciation for my mom who wanted me to do what i wanted to do — not what she wanted me to do.

I drank some Trumer Pils and quatsched with some Germans about how things played out in East Germany since the fall of the Wall.

Oh, yeah. Many a young woman was seduced by Chuck playing on the stereo. Saw him at Red Rocks in Colo. He is an experience in concert.

San Francisco.

Ok my final.

Chuck And I THINK Esther Satterfield sangs, didn’t follow this all the way thru.

Lord that was one wicked album.

Land

wow. that musta been very interesting indeed…what was their take?

Check out this video. It is about reading!
Oh and it’s not safe for work. I has Thers dirty words.

A GREAT catchy song. Great production values.

Fuck Me Ray Bradbury

I don’t usually do much music but this music is the kind of fun upbeat stuff I like.

I agree, absolutely. The moms suck the joy out of the whole excitement of performing. It’s kind of brutal to watch the kids go from engaged to suffering.

Hell ya are, yer a Master Of Them All.

And us plebians appreciate you being such, and sharing it.

End of MY story.

*G*

Gorgeous. We’ve finally found a bit of summer and it was hot today, but lovely ocean air conditioning for sleeping.

hey spocko — i love that fucking video! how ya doing tonight?

As many of you know, I wrote a post about the fact that the FDA is not testing for Corexit in the seafood.

23 groups and the senior scientist at the NRDC wrote them and asked them to revise their testing and change their protocols, but shrimping season started Monday.

Here is my current plan
Call the FDA and ask them. “When is the new testing coming or are you not going to test?
Do you have children? Will you feed them the shrimp that was not tested?”

Them I’m going to call the Press office at the White House and ask if they are going to be feeding Shrimp that is not tested for Corexit (but considered “safe” by the FDA”) to his two children and wife.

I’m doing this to make “news” since the whole “official eats mad cow, drinks malathion” is news friendly.

What do you think?

The shrimpers WANT more comprehensive testing but the FDA didn’t deliver because they have said it doesn’t “bio accumulate” but Dr. Solomon challenges that and other assumptions.

yay! last night i had to pull the blanket up instead of sleeping under just the sheet. gotta be cool to be able to sleep

Lived on Peninsula from 11 thru ’88.

Uh, that would be ’63 thru ’88. My bad.

Miss it all dearly, but me and mine had to move for the expenses.

Fog over the hills of Crystal Springs Reservoir, coming down 3rd Street.

Many, many memories of Bay Area, work and fun related.

Sigh.

*G*

I’m good. I showed the video to Mrs. Spocko, she wasn’t as amused as me.:-)

I explained to them that it’s fun debating with right-wingers because right-wingers always take the dumbest side of a debate. The dorks on the right have to do rhetorical back flips to make the argument that marriage is only applicable to a man and woman. They have to do back flips and cartwheels to argue against allowing a muslim center near ground zero. They agreed. Arguing with right-wing dipshits is like taking candy from a baby.

its worth trying spocko. i think the would you let your kids eat this is a great angle.

i’m not eating any seafood that doesn’t come from the pnw. i’m not wanting to be part of a science experiment and i bet the folks along the gulf don’t want to either.

Uh hum,,ah.., WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!?????
Mrs. Spocko has a point.

Ok, here’s Esther Satterfield, with Chuck.

Grand, Just Grand.

Lord.

Oh, lord.

I’ve read a lot of stories from real MSM papers about this issue of contaminated sea food. They are very good at balancing the issue of commerce and public health (as if they are equal values and in many people mines they are).

Personally I think that the commerce without ensuring public health is a false promise.

I’m want to make this a story because just talking about future cancer clusters isn’t going to make any real tests appear and change the protocols for the FDA. I’m leaning heavily on the science of Dr. Solomon and putting some PR on it.

she doesn’t like science fiction? *ducking*

We are so lucky here, most of the time. There are usually a few stretches in late August, early September where it can stay hot at night and make it hard to sleep. With what’s going on in the rest of the country, even if we do hit our heatwave, it will still be nicer here.

I lived in Berkeley for a while and loved it, but now I’m back in SF. I love the Bay Area. These are my people.

Part of my rant on how our society really fucks over a lot of kids between 10 and 14 is about the socialized Darwinism in coaching and teaching the arts to kids at that age. So many become alienated at the beginning of adolescence as they feel themselves marginalized by the attention drawn toward kids blossoming at that age.

Theater moms and hockey moms wouldn’t exist if the arts and sports structures in our schools and communities sought to keep kids involved, rather than shunted them into winner and loser categories.

end of rant

Why does it always look so easy before I start arguing with them, and then my head explodes from the stupidity? My heart completely overtakes my brain, and I end up wanting to stab people instead of pity them.

i was in the bay area from 63 or 64 to 08 when i moved to oregon.

sorry folks but i’m wiped out. i got up today and drove around for 5 hours this afternoon to keep myself busy instead of being sad. the day has caught up with me :(

g’nite all and thank you

You have to remember the second you engage with them that they have no intention of actually debating. Their intention is to simply piss you off. That’s what stupid people who can’t argue legitimately do. So, make sure you only engage with them in a public forum where their stupid, immoral values become manifest to all spectators.

I lived in Oregon way back in ’04. Good place. I still miss it.

In my rant, that extreme social/peer structure is there for a reason. To promote failure from within, while rewarding pleasing physical attributes in full public display. Equally damaging. I’m very cynical about the “education institution” ability to encourage learning, imagination and critical thinking.

Excellent advice. However, I am stuck with the stupid in an extended family setting. My tactic has been to drink heavily, but I am open to suggestions from warriors such as yourself.

Too drunk to go on. Good night, all.

I miss it all, SO much.

Still.

I envy you.

Best to you, the haunts to frequent, and all that.

I gotta go Puppers.

Thanks Suz, for the LLN vids you started with, and let me run with.

Love this town, and it’s people.

*G*

Sweet dreams, Suzanne. The pain’s a bitch. I’ve been thinking about your Mom,…it must be so hard.

Don’t be sad, Suzanne.

Sweet dreams. Sleep always helps with my sad days; may you awake refreshed and renewed.

I hear you. You can not take for granted that they will argue fair.
Here is a trick instead of arguing keep asking questions about their positions and try not to hold the gotcha in your head because that will spoil the trick.
Ask deeper questions often leads you to see the basis of their views.
” the bible” my parents, my bad experience with science in school.
I did this once with a right wing neighbor and I didn’t change his mind but I did understand his view and they decided to not ever talk about it again.
I ft I “won” the conversation. And I didn’t get stabby.

Wrestling mom were the same way they screamed and ranted like no sport. Never well attended so they really stood out. It was a lot of fun. Looked like they had eaten a couple of cans of whop ass and if the kid didn’t get a pin he had to sleep in the barn. Dinner must have been a total bummer after a loss, Sounds like things are going your way.

Nite Suz, sweet sleep

Geez, that sounds all rational. I was hoping for encouragement on the stabby bit! Excellent advice, and I will try to keep it in mind at the next family gathering.

Winning and losing is so much apart of so many of our structures. I avoided speech because I didn’t want to compete I hate to lose, but I liked to perform.

I also have the perfectionism trait where unless you are the best, what’s the point. So for example. This call on the seafood. A LOT of “real” press are writing serious balanced stories on this. I’d hate to be compared to breitbart and Harris, ginning up a story that isn’t there.

But the point is that public health people aren’t going to do this environmental “nuts” might stage a protest but will national press cover it? The press will go into their on the one hand and on the other hand stories.

I will say that I can do it with acquantances but I not good with family. My right wing older sib throws me instantly every time. Mrs Spocko helps but he is a lawyer and lives to “win” conversations.

It was my experience with him that lead me
To my strategy to deal with right wing radio. By going over their heads to the advertisers.

When I lurked at fdl right after the blog started, I felt so unworthy of commenting here. One day I had to. Jane zipped right back with a welcome. Changed my life.

I hate to lose too. I’m ambivalent about performing, though.

Competition…the haves and have nots it is intended without poverty there can be no rich

Me too the impacts of the stupidity is suffering for a lot of folks.

It’s comforting to hear that I’m not the only one who crumples at the family table. I feel like a stalwart elsewhere. Between the stabby feeling for in-laws and the heartbroken with my son, it’s exhausting!

I don’t like to argue. I like to understand and persuade.
Sometimes the best strategy is to change the standard strategy.

What pisses me off about right wing radio is That these people see it as their calling to turn us against each other.

My sweet mom gets talking points from Rush. That are predigested bigotry and failed economic policy. My mom was the beneficiary of republican and democratic policies but only sees the good in republician and bad on democratic policies.

without poverty there can be no rich

I’m not sure about that. Inequalities are inevitable. Inequity is universal.

Reducing poverty requires education and the empowerment of women.