Krauthammer is a bigot? Who would’ve thunk it?

Good try, Kraut-Boy, but I’m going to guess that Leonard Bernstein would not concur.

Putz.

Krauthammer Krauthummer’s picture is great, looks just like a creature out of Outer Limits with their heads all swollen with their brains. But in Krauthummers case his head is swollen with Bigotry/Bullshit!

Chuckie looks like Vlad the Impaler. And it’s just plain funny that he doesn’t know where Treblinka was.

You’re sure that isn’t just his enormously exaggerated self-worth?

we reap what we sow.

instead of calling ignorant piece of shit fucks like krauthammer ignorant piece of shit fucks, we obfuscate and twiddle and twaddle and twitter … and sternly wag our fingers…

and they blather on with too much silence and too little scorn.

to hell with civility with people like this.

rmm.

Or that there was a Japanese Cultural Center near Pearl Harbor.

Gee, I wonder how Sen. Daniel Inouye feels about the Japanese Cultural Center?

I lived above Pearl Country Club in a townhouse complex that bumped against the golf course in Aiea, HI when I was in the USAF.

Krauthammer would probably freak to realize that there’s a bus pull off at the Pearl Country Club where a lot of tour buses, both US and Japanese tour companies, pull over so that folks can take pictures of Pearl Harbor and the Arizona Memorial as it offers a nice, panoramic shot.

Quite frequently I would be dodging Japanese tourists on Saturday mornings as I would do a run down to the bottom of the mountain and back up then after showering, walk back down again to the mall (for some fresh from the oven Famous Amos Chocolate Chip Cookies

He knows everything he needs to know to be an expert. Learning is done for him.

I would agree but I think it is his flatulence inflated skull of his own making… direct connect from his ass to his brain….

Actually, there seems to be a Japanese cultural center about 8 miles away from Pearl Harbor. Is that too close?

(Already mentioned: That’s what I get for dawdling; comes from being a mainlander, I guess…)

The shortest distance between two points…

That’s linked in the post.

Oh, oh, pick ME!

How about an American president visiting Bitburg, where Waffen SS troops were buried?

Or an American first lady entertaining an aging Rat Pack crooner in the private quarters of the White House while her husband is out of town, with orders not to be disturbed under any circumstances?

Or another American president celebrating a pal’s birthday while a city drowns?

Charles Krauthammer should be in prison.

Better get all those Lutheran churches out of South Bend, Indiana. Wouldn’t want the Catholics at Notre Dame to get upset.

Read & Learn on whose behalf he speaks. When he says “we,” he’s not speaking of you and me.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/64784#comment-233094

There are Lutherans in South Bend?

did he ask the Roman Catholics to quit building rectories near elementary schools ?

Considering that the paved road circumference of Oahu is 112 miles, it’s kind of hard to get all that far away from anywhere in Hawaii

(and the 112 miles is where they came up with the bike distance for the Ironman Triathlon as the first of those was held on Oahu not long after I got out there in 1978)

The analogy’s a little broke since Lutherans didn’t fly planes into Notre Dame.

yet despite contemporary Germany’s innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

You know actually “the Germans” have actually put up several “cultural centers” at the locations of former Concentration Camps (within Germany), specifically the one I’m sure of is “DACHAU”.

So, um, sorry Charlie.

So, Manhattan is a Jewish ghetto?

There is some guilt in Krauthammer’s family tree somewhere. He’s totally unhinged whenever he speaks of Muslims vs Jews. It’s more than the normal right wing apology tour.

Some would say that’s only because there were no planes available during the Thirty Years’ War.

Shhh.

One of the Lutheran churches even has a pastor who is . . . a woman!

*gasp*

there is no comparison between Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the AL Qaeda attack on Twin Towers. Japan is a country, AlQaeda is a terrorist group it represents a few extremists and is not a reflection of the muslim community. Islam is a worldwide religion and in the US the right to practice one’s religion is in the constitution and is not debatable. The center needs to be built just like St. Patrick’s cathedral etc…

Krauthammer’s thinking is as twisted and crippled as his body, eh? Perhaps there is a god. (rethinking here)

People sure don’t get upset over Catholic Churches in their communities and Catholics have slaughtered tens of millions, not just a few thousand. I’m frankly surprised that there haven’t been calls to do immigrations sweeps in them though.

Are there any Christian Churches anywhere in Nagasiki or Hiroshima?

A total ban would be appropriate seeing as how they were A-bombed by a Christian nation.

But don’t you remember the great Shinto backlash after Pearl Harbor or was that just in Marg Baker’s fevered imagination?

I think that one of the changes to the Constitution that Republics want to make invloves limiting freedom of religion to include only conservative Christianity.

When are the Republics going to demand we change the Constitution to make sure we teach only conservative approved history?

I definitely agree that the opposition to the islamic cultural center is bizarre and inappropriate, but I think you did this position a disservice with your examples. The Japanese Cultural Center you linked to is NINE MILES away from pearl harbor, I’m sure all on the right would be satisfied if the proposed mosque was moved 9 miles away from ground zero.

Good position, bad example.

“…make sure we teach only conservative approved history?”

Already done in Texas.

I’m sure all on the right would be satisfied if the proposed mosque was moved 9 miles away from ground zero.

No they won’t. Murfreesburrow, Tennessee is a hell of a lot further than 9 miles from “ground zero”, yet a Mosque there is being protested by the very same right wingers.

Not yet. Very close but not yet.

I wish some prominent Jews would stop playing the victim card at the drop of a hat. It’s really getting old.

But Krauthammer doesn’t specify an acceptable radius, does he?

And you’ve gotta be kidding:

“I’m sure all on the right would be satisfied if the proposed mosque was moved 9 miles away from ground zero.”

Yeah, like the American Family Association fundie who called for banning all mosques, period.

Even worse.

I’m telling Benny.

“Catholics have slaughtered tens of millions, not just a few thousand. I’m frankly surprised that there haven’t been calls to do immigrations sweeps in them though.” …. and then seeker561 says “Are there any Christian Churches anywhere in Nagasiki or Hiroshima? A total ban would be appropriate seeing as how they were A-bombed by a Christian nation”

I wonder if the atheist elites that run nations should be banned …(from what I do not know – and the unfinished sentence is only to show how stupid and offensive this line of comment is).

As to the Mosque (now renamed “praying area”) 2 blocks from the WTC grounds – it should be of tiny concern to everyone. I do see the point that the Saudi money is doing a slap in the face (albeit there is already a Mosque 4 blocks away)(the leader for the building fund refuses to release whose money is involved because it is at least Saudi and indeed may well be a Wahhabi Islam believing jihad loving prince). But this is so low on the worry meter it should be a non-story.

How about flying the Stars and Stripes over Atlanta? Highly offensive of course. After all, it’s the flag behind which Sherman’s army marched.

” I’m sure all on the right would be satisfied if the proposed mosque was moved 9 miles away from ground zero.”

And you would be wrong.

http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201008110002

American Family Association: No More Mosques, Period
August 11, 2010 10:31 am ET — Walid Zafar

Like most far-right Christian zealots, Fischer really hates Muslims. Like a lot. Indeed, as Right Wing Watch notes, “Fischer was hating Muslims long before it was the cool conservative thing to do.” In the past, he’s suggested that the “most compassionate” thing to do would be to deport all Muslims back to “Muslim countries.” He’s even managed to fit his two favorite targets into the same conspiracy, theorizing in April that the military is run by “fundamentalist Muslims and homosexual activists.” In a post yesterday, Fischer brings us the crazy yet again, this time calling on the government to prohibit mosques from being built anywhere in the United States. Period.

Permits should not be granted to build even one more mosque in the United States of America, let alone the monstrosity planned for Ground Zero. This is for one simple reason: each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government.

There is no face to slap. Recall that “saving face” is an action usually a pejorative attributed to more clannish societies like China and the Arab world.

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Better get that Nazi pedophile-protecting Pope Joey Rats to move his elementary schools, then — for obvious reasons.

This discussion tells me why we are becoming more and more ignored in today’s discourse.

There is a legitimate point of view that is different than ours. The placement of the cultural centeral is a political statement. If it were purely religious, they would take up the offer from Governor Patterson and put the site elsewhere in Manhattan.

If it were purely for reconcilement they would offer to live up to American mores, including a complete acceptance of our LGBT crowd and full and complete equality for women. And they would be a lot more outspoken about the prolems that Islam has caused.

It is spurposefl stick in the eye, and being against it is not simply a bigoted response.

You offer no sound reasoning, just rants.

It’s not a “political statement” — they don’t have to put it “elsewhere” because you say it’s offensive — and it’s not a “stick in the eye” just because you say it is.

The fact that you view it as such says more about you than about them.

The Catholic Church and Mormons and Orthodox Jews are also intolerant of LGBTs and don’t offer equality for women.

Should we ban them from Lower Manhattan as well? Should we tear down the Mosque at the Pentagon?

“This discussion tells me why we are becoming more and more ignored in today’s discourse.”

We?

Thank god conservative bigots are ignored in today’s discourse, and I hope to hear less from you as time goes on.

You are absolutely correct that they can build wherever they want to. And the lower manhattan site is included in that.

However, the young men who murdered 3,000 Americans did so screaming “God is Great” as they finished their tasks. The vast muslim community is not responsible for their actions. However, they appear to have believed that they were commiting their acts on behalf of their faith. In fact there have been many such acts committed in the name of Islam.

It would seem to me that the islamic community needs to look inward as to why so many seem to believe that their faith requires them to kill non-believers. What is in their teaching that encourages such activities? There are a lot of americans who believe that building a cultural center at the site of a terrorist act, committed by young men professing their beliefs, will not go far to establishing rapport.

If we’re “…becoming more and more ignored in today’s discourse,” then why to Barack Hussen Obama, via his mouthpiece Gibbs, tell us basically to shut up?? Despite my ire at Gibbs, I’m not feeling especially “ignored.”

And you’re arguments highlight just how bigoted and wrong you are. If the Muslims don’t live up to your purportedly tolerant standards of acceptance of the LGBT community and women, then perhaps we need to ban and tear down almost all houses of worship near Ground Zero. For ex, the Roman Catholic church is remarkably intolerant of the LGBT community and of women.

So what’s your real agenda? Don’t answer that bc I already know.

This whole issue is ugly, nasty, racist, bigoted and intolerant, plus stupid. I think I’ve pretty much described any conservative who agrees with Krauthammer. Their attitudes are unconstitutional, btw.

I’m offended on behalf of my many friends and acquaintances who happen to be Muslims. It’s despicable to lump them all into one big grouping and assign some special blame to them.

I agree with a prior post. I’m getting tired of being “polite” about such bigoted crap. The whole argument is b.s. and petty and reflects the rightwing’s desire to pit “small” people against one another to distract the “small” people from the real issues of the day, which is that we’re being massively ripped off the by banksters on Wall ST, amongst other billionaires.

“Their attitudes are unconstitutional, btw.”

In the end, this really is the only issue of consequence. We either honor and uphold the constitution or we don’t.

Yes. What I wrote is somewhat inaccurate. The conservative “attitude” is not unconstitutional, per se. Citizens can pretty much have any “attitude” they want. But their proposition that the Mosque/community center cannot be built near Ground Zero is unconstitutional. And that really is the main issue, despite my disgust with the pandering petty venality of the Krauthammer’s of this world.

All related to this thread and “THE AGENDA – Valuable insight From CliffHammond at Raw Story re: the Wikileaks leaks and what is really behind all of it:

cliffhammond 22 minutes ago

Assange is either an agent for the Defense Intelligence Agency (infected with neocons) or is a “useful idiot” to them. For god’s sake, look who he’s leaking to — three of the most U.S. and U.K. intelligence-friendly newspapers in the world, the New York Times, the Guardian and Spiegal.

If Defense Intelligence really wanted him don’t you think they could kidnap him anywhere in the world? He’s been giving press conferences all over London.

Now that the public “knows” about Iran and Pakistan supporting the Taliban don’t you feel angry? Don’t you feel so angry that you’re willing to snap at Obama for not attacking Iran and Pakistan sooner? For not being more stridently militant? Don’t you feel angry that “net neutrality” has facilitated this “treason”? Don’t you feel angry that Obama has not yet ordered a complete clamp down on the Internet and that he has so far only given the nod to Google and others to open their files to the NSA so they can keep an eye on peace activists and sell fast access to the big money boys who deserve it because they worked hard for their privileges all their lives?

Cheney and his neocon minions, including Israel, are actively subverting the Obama Administration. Cheney brought the turf war inside CIA to a new level of crisis when, in a snub to CIA moderates, he moved the neocon/mossad hawks to the Pentagon and set them up in a completely neocon dominated Office of Special Plans from where they manufactured the intelligence against Saddam — all of it lies and forgeries, such as the Niger Yellowcake Forgery — and then, when Cheney was nailed for his lies, reframed the crisis as “bad intelligence” and blamed in on CIA by getting DCI George Tenet to take the fall. But not before neocon Larry Franklin of the Office of Special Planing was nailed by the FBI for espionage while transporting classified documents on U.S. plans for the Iraq invasion to and from the Israeli Embassy. He quickly pleaded guilty to avoid public spectacle after which his sentence was reduced to a finger shaking above his nose for getting caught.

To wit: Cheney, Netanyahu, their Defense Intelligence cabal of neocons and Mossad agents have for months been pressuring Obama to be more aggressive in the Middle East and to relent from criticizing Israel for its Zionist program of settlement expansion into Palestinian territories (Mossad was an integral part of CIA since Dir. of Counter Intel James Angleton trained them.. They now infect CIA and the Pentagon after Cheney introduced their near official status in the latter within the Office of Special Plans. Israel can be compared to Constantinople in that it serves as the capital of the Eastern Empire with analogous growing power as the Western Empire collapses).

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0812/wikileaks-continue-releasing-afghan-war-files-assange/

What is in their teaching that encourages such activities?

Collective guilt much?

The thing is, Treblinka in fact is a German cultural center, after a fashion.

Krauthammer’s atavistic, tribalistic, manichaean vision of the world, however, doesn’t make room for this fact. Tragic.

The men who caused 9/11 did not do it because they were Muslims. They did it because they were radicals and more than a little nuts.

Some of the victims killed in the world trade tower were Muslims. Some were Jews.

The religious point of the world trade center was that the West has lost it’s way by praying to false god Mammon. Why do you think the symbol of the market place was picked as a target instead of a cathedral?

Because the Towers were filled with asbestos. 9/11 was arson. As CEO of Haliburton, Cheney acquired Dresser Industries to rid the Bush family of the asbestos liability.

There is no “Osama.” There is no “Al Qaeda.”

There were no Israeli nationals who died in the Towers.

Do the math. Connect ALL the dots.

You are right. Just as my fellow Jewish community must look inward to evaluate the murder of innocent Palestinians for the sake of a stretch of dirt we claim is holy. We also must look into our souls for that peace. And just as Christians must look inward to wrestle with and feel guilt for the thousands of years of persecution and genocide against the Pagans, Druids, and heretics of Europe, against the Jews of Europe, and against the Muslims of the world. Mormons also should grovel and grieve inwardly over the backing or Proposition 8 for its bigotry against all in the LGBT community. In fact, Americans might want to do some groveling too… considering how many innocent civilians we’ve blown apart in the “war on terror” and for the thousands of disappeared due to the death squads financed by the CIA during the “war on drugs” and for the incarceration of so many of our inner city youths because they had a gram of rock while their upscale counteparts got probation for a gram of powder.

so yes, oh Greybeard, there is much “inner” reflection Muslims should do.

But last I checked, I think the devout ones do exactly that – 5 times a day. Which is a lot more than I do for myself. I’m having a tough time getting it up to 1x a day. Kudos for the 5x. How much do you grovel before your mythical deity? Much? Or not so much? Just curious. And by mythical, please understand – I am not being sarcastic. Deities are mythical. Just whichever one must be sated at the moment is the one that matter to the person who is doing the sating….

They acted for all the world like it was a religious vendetta.

I don’t really have a deity, mythical or otherwise.

All I started out to say was that we as a community seem to completely dismiss opposing views and drape our views with what we percieve to be the moral high ground. In fact I think that our views are often couched in language that makes us look like we are dictating to others what their thoughts should be rather than convincing them with logical and moral arguements. The health care vote in Missouri seems to show me that.

I personally think it is an unwise move to build the center there, and cannot see how it leads to better understanding between the groups, especially in the short to near term future. However, that decision is made well above my pay grade. I see nothing but animosity on both sides and think that is not helpful.

You get moe flies with honey than with vinegar.

Its also a lot easier to get the honey stuck on you and then you have a lot of flies on yourself ;).

If the fly prefers honey, then here goes:

These Muslims have owned this land for almost 30 years. Just because some radical claiming to be one of them comes along after 20 years of ownership, does 9/11, and then the world gets angry at that radical(s), does it mean those innocent people who already owned the land for 20 years now have to move because of those few?

Is that what we did to Christians in Oklahoma City? Or did we do that to white people in Oklahoma City after Tim McVeigh? Because he was both WHITE AND CHRISTIAN. Or so he claimed. HE was also a CONSERVATIVE.

That is about the extent of connectivity that you, Mr. GReybeard, have made between the alleged 9/11 hijackers and the people seeking to build Park51. Arab descent and Muslim. The only two connection you can make. So you now seek to restrict the Arab Muslims en masse.

No more sure you condemn the WHITE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES (see, I can make 3 connections b/w Tim McVeigh and other groups) for what McVeigh did.

“How’s my honey?” said the dragon to the fly

I did a search for Muslims against ground zero and came up with several links, including this. http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2010/08/moderate_muslim_2.php (I also recall former Dutch MP Ayaan Ali spoke on a video opposing the building of the mosque on that site, saying anyone who sees this conduct as anything other than intentional provocation, is being misled; but I cannot find that now. But I assume her voice can be discounted as she has renounced her former religion.)

“Somewhat” inaccurate huh?

Then please tell us in what situations a simple “attitude” would be unconstitutional? Just b/c one uses the phrase “per se” to make themselves sound smarter doesn’t make it so.

Stick to topics that aren’t [Edited by Moderator. Disagree without being disagreeable], and save others from the trouble of having to correct you.

They didn’t do it b/c they were muslim? Well I guess the fact they were screaming “allahu akbar” must’ve been a coincidence.

Interesting that you chastise a fellow commenter for how “attitude” is not unconstitutional then immediately turn around and imply that the 9/11 attackers religion (read “attitude”) apparently justifies a blanket condemnation of the entire religion.

Er, how would you feel about a Southern Cultural center that flies a Confederate flag and celebrates aspects of life during the time of the Confederacy, but specifically denounces slavery, being located in proximity to the site of a lynching? If you can deal with that, at least you would be consistent.

One of life’s little ironies is that the Southern Poverty Law Center, complete with sculpture honoring the Civil Rights martyrs (designed and built by the same woman who did the Vietnam Memorial in DeeCee) is located in Montgomery, AL about two blocks or so away from the “First White House of the Confederacy.

But nice strawman argument you bring since that argument is pretty much the basis for the Confederate Memorial in Richmond, VA and used by those states in the old Confederacy that still incorporate the Confederate battle flag as part of their state flag

Bogus analogy.

Islam is not a nationality.

Most people probably arent aware of this… within 20 miles of lower manhattan there are more than 285 islamic centers, thats right 285, more than 46 islamic and muslin schools, and many other islamic organizations. so the question is, why do they insist on having it right there when there are so many other places they can choose. like the land on 91st st that Imam Rauf already owns.

look for yourself….
search near zip code 10001… http://www.islamicfinder.org

for someone who lives 5 mins from ground zero, for me, its not a question about freedom of religion, or their right to build where they want, its about the lack of sensitivity they show. noone is telling them not to practice their religion, and noone is telling them they cant build a mosque. its about where they insist on doing it.

What’s the appropriate radius from Ground Zero? 5 miles?

Should we close the Mosque at the Pentagon?

Why did I say an entire religion should be condemned?

No, what I did imply is that we shouldn’t turn a blind eye and pretend that islam has absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. The story doesn’t end at the attackers simply being “radicals.” They were islamic radicals, and people should understand that.

Although from a TV show, I rather like the bit from the show The West Wing that aired after the attack.

The attackers are to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity

And it makes as much sense to highlight either fact.

No you shouldnt. nor should you close any mosques. not sure what your point is, noone is saying to close anything. perhaps you didnt understand my point so ill try to reiterate it in another way you can understand. there seems to be an abundance of mosques, cultural centers, etc in a very close proximity to ground zero. in fact, Imam Rauf, who is spearheading the project, already has had a mosque in lower manhattan for many years. noone is preventing him from his religion and noone is suggesting he not build a mosque. i dont think asking them to build elsewhere makes us not respecting his right to religion. People seem to have this idea that not allowing him to build near ground zero at this particular spot is denying his right to freedom of religion. proof of this is the many established muslim places in a very close proximity to ground zero already.

it is interesting to note, that islam, throughout history, and throughout the world in many different countries, has always built mosques at places of conquest. they have turned many synogogues and churches into mosques once they have expelled those people from the area. this is a fact, it is not an opinion. it is also a fact, according to the Koran, that the “non believers” need to be eradicated and “slaughtered” until it is only islam, that rules the earth. i guess it then becomes an issue of how the writtings in the Koran are iterpreted by muslims. we know how the radicals interpret them dont we… so again, why does Imam Rauf insist on building so close to ground zero. what is his attachment to this specific spot when so many people seem to be so sensitive about it. is respect for the community not taken into consideration or is his right to build a mosque wherever he sees fit the most important thing. as a country, we should prove to islam and muslims across the world, that our morals and our convictions will not waiver… and lets give them a spot literally right next door to the ground zero memorial. or better yet, inside the memorial. i mean why not, freedom of religion right? we could really show those terrorists then!!

That’s a naive and dangerous comparison.

Should we honestly pretend that the problems in Islam, the extremists, have been marginalized to the point the KKK has been marginalized today? I’m sorry, but to make that comparison is to ignore the state sanctioned stoning of women, the attempt (and soon to be success) of apocaplyptic regimes getting nuclear weapons, the state made proclamations for the eradication of Israel, etc. etc.

I’m sorry, but to compare these fundamentalists in Islam with the KKK is to turn a blind eye to the real world dangers that exist. It’s apples and oranges, and to even mention the two in the same breath shows a total lack of seriousness. That’s to be expected in a television show, but not in a serious dialogue of the political and religious landscape that we find ourselves in today.

Sorry but I guess you’ve missed all the ultra extremist militia groups that are still active here in the US. You might think the KKK and the other white extremist groups are marginalized but you just aren’t paying attention.

You’re het up and excited about what a few extremists are doing while ignoring their counterparts in our own country.

They exist in all groups.

And the “state sanctioned stoning” is a different fish altogether. Yes there are horrid governments all over. Some would claim the US is horrid as a government as we incarcerate millions of citizens (3% of the world population but 25% of the world’s prisoners for example).

The extremists who attacked us were not actually representing a government any more than the white supremacist militias represent the US government.

The muslims have owned what land for 30 yrs? 51 park? are you kidding me? do you actually research anything before you speak? please send me the link or tell me where i can find this information. as far as i know, theyve owned it since 2006, and started looking for a place in lower manhattan in 2003.

your fellow Jewish community does not commit murders. you should be ashamed of yourself and choose your words more carefully.

Still waiting to hear what an acceptable radius away from Ground Zero for the practice of freedom of a non-Christian/Jewish religion is.

Since two NYC blocks is insufficient, I’d like to know what is.

5? 10? 20?

Wow, your posts are the perfect example of how moral equivalence makes one blind to real world affairs.

You can keep trying to repeat the mantra of “KKK and other white extremist groups” to try and scare people, but what government does the KKK run? Answer, none.

But you have real, fundamentalist islamic governments out there that are actually in power, and 1 which is dangerously close to acquiring nuclear weapons.

There just is no comparison. That you continue to try and stretch this narrative is laughable.

Right.

And which country invaded two predominantly Muslim nations and destroyed them?

And just how close are those “real, fundamentalist islamic governments” to actually acquiring nuclear weapons? Right now, there is already a dangerously unstable predominantly Islamic government WITH nuclear weapons and we are doing actions that only contribute to the instability. But I guess that’s alright because it’s the US doing things, right?

If you think ‘Mer’ka shouldn’t be allowed to subvert these countries wrt resources in the first place, you might be a panty-waist.
And if you think these countries should be allowed to complain about being subverted, you must be ‘Islamo-Prone’.

Don’t waste your breath on pusseen. He buys keystrokes by the truckload.

So we’re agreeing then? If it’s OK to have a mosque near ground zero it’s ok to have a Southern cultural center complete with Confedrate flags near the site of a lynching?

a·nal·o·gy   [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -gies.

1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

A heart is not a pump and a nation is not religion, but still it can be used in an analogy pertaining to a religion.

If you are interested in debate, stop wasting people’s time with puerile (see dicionary.com) comments.

Ahh yes, ignore the arguments, come up with your own nonsensical narrative, and make fun of it.

I suppose that is much easier than addressing statements that were actually made.

Intellectual dishonesty in the morning, gotta love it.

Well, since those tributes to the Old Confederacy have been around all along, I guess we are.

But your analogy/strawman is just as flawed as you perceive BT’s to be.

You really should read up more on the difference b/w “fundamentalism” and “islam.” You’re conflating the two, and you accuse me of trying to paint a broad stroke against islam?

Let me get you started, help you out a little bit. For your first question, Iran is very close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Their first reactor goes online in a week. That means, if Russia continues to ignore sanction that it voted on, Russia will be delivering nuclear fuel by the end of the month. I’d say that’s cutting it pretty close.

And yes, Pakistan is not stable. Yes, it is Islamic. That doesn’t mean Pakistan is run by fundamentalists like Iran. Musharraf is a military dictator. The political party that supports Musharraf is the Q branch of the Muslim league, a right of center, traditionalist (not fundamentalist) party. That means it does not champion Islamic canon law as its primary goal (does not require women to wear veils, etc.) The biggest bloc of seats in their parliament, if I remember correctly, is made up of the Pakistani People’s Party, a relatively secular, slightly left of center group.

These groups, for obvious reasons, differ greatly from those that run Iran. Perhaps you should read up more about the two nations before using them in your examples…

You realize that Musharraf has been out of office for a couple of years now, right? In fact, the current President of Pakistan is the late Benazir Bhutto’s widower (though he has been under attack for not being around with all the recent floods in the country).

And don’t forget, you were the person who came in claiming that the attack on the WTC was religious ‘cuz they were “screaming allahu akbar” (since you must have been there to know this, how did you survive?) as a justification for why the so-called (but not really a) mosque should not be in lower Manhattan.

So apparently you prefer an unstable nuclear owning semi-dictatorship made further unstable by the actions of the US to a government that is stable but that does not have nuclear weapons at this time and is still years away from getting them.

And yes, there are differences between nuclear materials that work in reactors providing electrical power than the materials necessary for a nuclear weapon. The IAEA inspections have found no indications of Iran having the capability to enhance the nuclear materials and make it bomb caliber.

Put please, don’t let facts stand in the way of some good fear mongering.

Actually being fact-free is no crime.

Iran is very close to acquiring nuclear weapons…

Wrong, and a grievous misdirection. And you must know that.

Their first reactor goes online in a week.

What kind of reactor?

…if Russia continues to ignore sanction…

Um, hello?

Musharraf is…

This is 2010. Remember?

The political party that supports Musharraf…

See above.

But it is pretty transparent.