In case anyone had any doubt that we are bearing witness to America in Decline, there’s this — thanks in no small part to reality television programming, No Child Left Behind and the skyrocketing cost of college tuition, we are well on our merry way to Maximum Stupid:
Adding to a drumbeat of concern about the nation’s dismal college-completion rates, the College Board warned Thursday that the growing gap between the United States and other countries threatens to undermine American economic competitiveness.
The United States used to lead the world in the number of 25- to 34-year-olds with college degrees. Now it ranks 12th among 36 developed nations.
On the same day that Sarah Palin dissed a teacher with an “oh, you’re one of THOSE people” roll of her eyes (while filming her reality TV series), Obama took time out of his busy fundraising schedule in Austin, TX to spout platitudes about the importance of a college education in today’s bleak job market.
“Over a third of America’s college students, and over half our minority students, don’t earn a degree, even after six years,” Mr. Obama told a an audience of cheering students at the University of Texas here. “So we don’t just need to open the doors of college to more Americans. We need to make sure they stick with it through graduation. That is critical.”
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Mr. Obama has made reforming the nation’s education system one of the four pillars of what he calls the ‘’new foundation” for economic recovery (the others are health care reform, energy reform and financial regulatory reform). But after a year in which he has devoted himself intensively to health legislation and the financial regulatory bill, education has received scant attention.
Yeah, and look at how well those reforms worked out, amirite? Seriously, who doesn’t think the energy reform bill is . . . oh, wait.
See, there are one or two rather significant hurdles in the way of this fantasy of American educational exceptionalism: (1) How the hell are teachers, assuming they still have their generally low-paying jobs, supposed to provide quality education when they’re forced to teach to standardized tests that have been proven not to work; and (2) how in the name of John Boehner’s spray-on tan are students supposed to graduate when they face the Herculean task of shoveling out their personal Augean Stables of student loans?
And this is what is so fundamentally wrong with the country today. Our government has no trouble funneling sizeable chunks of the U.S. Treasury to its buddies in the banking, pharmaceutical, and health insurance industries (and to a lesser extent, the auto industry), but when it comes to the most basic building blocks necessary for a thriving, 21st century American economy — educated workers — they shrug and say, “Sorry, bro, you’re on your own.”
The President offered not one new education reform initiative at his cheerleading session at UT today. I’m hardly surprised. Obama and Arne Duncan, his Education Secretary, have been blowing smoke up the country’s ass for the past year and a half with pretty words and a new “education reform” plan that is nothing more than a scaled down version of No Child Left Behind, Bush’s absolutely disastrous, fetishistic fascination with charter schools.
“Oh,” administration officials and supporters exclaim, “but we’ve cut out the middleman between the government and the debtor! That saves taxpayer dollars! And look – simplified financial aid forms! SHINY!”
How, pray tell, does that help students pay down their loans?
So here’s a quick idea that might kickstart the President’s education reformation, one that would, IMHO, convince many of those disaffected college kids who campaigned for him back in ’08 to turn out again come this fall and beyond: Reduce the interest on all student loans currently being repaid to . . . ZERO . . . and make the amnesty retroactive to December 2007, the date most economic experts agree marked the start of the Great Recession.
That not enough? How about this? He could create a new WPA (hell, call it the “W-BA”), in which college graduates could get loan forgiveness by working on federally funded projects for the real betterment of America, not just for the Bank of America. They could acquire invaluable skills, tap into the entrepreneurial spirit that is the supposed hallmark of this country, and face a prosperous future, instead of a life of indentured servitude to Sallie Mae and her friends.
I know, I know. This would simply serve to cut into the plutocracy’s bottom line, and we can’t have that now, can we?
I’ll don my “Socialist” dunce cap and sit in the corner now.




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We are #12 because we don’t have enough Legos for all of the children to play and learn with.
And Hi WT!!!!
Duncan…
About educating…
Pardon me while I can’t manage even a wry smile.
America, underachieving and proud of it.
But only people who can afford it deserve education or health care or proper nutrition or prenatal care or….
gah. there’s some ad on this page that keeps making my computer seize up, so I don’t know how long I’ll be with you guys tonight…
Watertiger!
Watertiger!
You have picked on one of my pet hobbyhorses. When I started college in 1970, states covered 70% of the cost of educating each student in state colleges and universities on average. Today the average is less than half of that. In the 1960s and 1970s, the federal government established and expanded a wide variety of student grants (which do not half to be paid back) to allow poor students to attend college. Even the student loans, administered directly by the federal government and not by banks, charged about half of the going interest rate. America was investing in education and our future. Then came Reagan and we stopped investing in the people and only invested in the very rich and large corporations.
On second thought, Duncan, as the guy Obama keeps around so he doesn’t have to shoot hoops alone, is perfect to preside over the decline of what was once a crowned jewel of the New Deal.
It’s absolutely infuriating, just as infuriating as this administration’s assertions that “teachers need to be held accountable”, yet bankers don’t.
/spitting tacks
I am sure the problem is only that faculty are sooooo overpaid, just a feedin’ at that public trough, only working a few hours a day and flirting with the coeds.
Hey, this is no problem. We’ll just clean this little situation up by getting the companies to write their own regulatory regime. After all, it worked so well with the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act, why not here too?
Maybe because they are a bunch of greedy Wall Street jackasses and the Military/Industrial Complex is too big to fail™?
And I’m #12 too!
And my cursor goes batshit crazy every time I come over to Firedoglake…Keeps flashing. Tonight, while trying to load this complete post it kept that up, would settle down, then did it two more times before allowing me to scroll the page.
Funny cookies?
Anyone else?
Teachers are held accountable (and have been for decades), but school boards and administrators are not. The Texas Board of education is not held accountable for gutting school textbooks. Most of my students come into college without a basic college level knowledge base (and this was true when I taught in Chicago a dozen years ago as well as in Montana). And it has gotten worse as the cant of “hold teachers accountable has gotten louder.” The more we “hold them accountable”, the less the students know and the fewer skills they have. Most freshman have no critical or analytical thinking skills because all they have been taught is what they need to know to pass a standardized multiple choice test.
I used to get that until I removed a troublesome FFOX plug-in.
All gone.
Not me. What browser are you using?
Why the hell would you spend tens of thousands of borrowed dollars to get a job selling lattes?
Do not get me started on that. Everybody I know works 60+ hours a week. Academic salaries have not even kept up with inflation over the past 30 years and colleges and universities are cutting back on full time faculty in favor of lower paid adjuncts and temps who often receive no benefits. At the same time there has been ab explosive growth in the numbers of administrator (much faster than the growth in enrollments or faculty) and administrative salaries.
Unprecedented mudslides in China, unheard of flooding in Pakistan, an iceberg the size of a medium sized island breaks off from Greenland…. Don’t seem to hear any wingers out screaming about how fat Al Gore is these days. Guess the next time it snows in January in DC we’ll be back to that.
Not me, running Firefox on a PC with Vista.
It’s a liberal thing…. There are classes in suppressing the white, conservative vote too.
You optimistically assume that there are latte-selling jobs available…
Really? I had nothing but problems with Vista. I’m running Firefox with Windows 7. I had some similar issues until I updated Firefox. It seemed to load and load.
I was talking to friend who’s son is at Berkeley. Part of the protests there were cutbacks on faculty and a increase in administrators. My friend attended law school in Austin and knew of the current UC President when he was a Dean at UT. She said nobody liked him then.
Vista sucks syphilitic goats’ asses (my old computer died and I had to buy a new one and they all had Vista), but I haven’t had problems with this site or much with Firefox. The Windows 7 upgrade is too damned expensive.
U of M has a hiring freeze on for faculty, but we managed to hire a new football coach this past spring for double the salary of a starting assistant professor.
Yeah, my old computer decided it wasn’t happy as a computer and would rather be a bookend and that’s the only reason I have 7. I wound up putting XP on my old computer though long ago, Vista gave me so many problems.
On the bright side, at least the syphilitic goats got clean hineys. :)
Well, sure, there are plenty of jobs, the recovery is so here.
I know, I know, they say it attracts students. And sexy new dorms costing millions. Sigh.
LMAO!
Was that an assistant coach? Head coach here gets close to a mil, probably more with endorsements etc.. Can’t imagine what it must cost if the team is any good.
And yet annoyingly, I still can’t find one. I KNEW I should have gone to greedy banker school instead of wasting my time on science.
That’s what I like about you, always looking on the bright side. ;-)
Palin ’12 … Degrees belong on Thermometers !
Watertiger !
There’s always a bright side… although most people probably don’t look for it on that end of a goat. :)
Here they discount things like that at the campus bookstore, if you’re faculty or student. Maybe they have that where you are too.
You need to change the name of your departmant to the Indiana Jones School of Treasure Seeking and Finding! Think of all the students you would get!
MBA = Moneygrubbing Bogus Academic.
I LOVE this!
Speaking of science, who knew that the special theory of relativity was a liberal plot? I was so caught up in my liberal beliefs that I always thought that E=MC2 meant that the energy contained in a gram of matter is equal in ergs to the speed of light in centimeters squared but apparently it doesn’t. It’s a plot to turn people atheist! Dunno if it would have worked on me because I was atheist long before I even thought about relativity.
Yep. Obviously I don’t deserve a job since I’m not American enough to be greedy and amoral.
*heh* #12… That’s actually one of the good ole USA’s highest ratings, amongst the industrialized world, in virtually every ‘live-ability’ category…! *gah*
I’d fail whip cracking. I hurt myself with a whip when I was a kid and now I’m all paranoid about them.
Head coach and he doesn’t make anywhere near that much, but in the low 6 figures. We are not in the big leagues and have very low state funding for higher ed.
But we love you Margaret, and I’m always hoping that the tide might turn for you.
I read about this today and just when you thought they could not be any stupider they surprise you once again.
You’re probably not bigoted either. We better hope they don’t start up a new HUAC or we’ll be out on our hineys fer sure.
Awww! Thanks CE! :)
Nope. I sure try not to be!
We already have the highest student-teacher ratio at the university. Faculty in other departments hear how many students I teach a semester (over 300) and the size of my upper division classes (mostly 35-50) and get wide eyed.
I second that.
I think the football program here is self-sustaining. Of course, all the money alums donate to sports could be put to better use elsewhere but that’s the way it goes…
Don’t give Michele Bachmann ideas.
That is a widespread myth about most big time athletic programs (including ours), but revenues do not cover scholarships, many of the salaries, and a lot else.
She’s probably busy with Vista, doncha think?
Well the theory that it makes you atheist sure would remove the necessity to do any of that uncomfortable math, since none of their “science” requires citation, review or in most cases, doing actual work. They just say sh*t they make up and nobody challenges them for fear of being called liberal. I have no doubt that very soon FOX will pick up on this and soon afterward, not to appear as a socialist network, CNN will devote considerable resources into the question of “just what E=MC2 REALLY means…”
*heh* All the more ya can corrupt all at once…! You should embrace the opportunity, Doc…!
Pffft! I doubt Bachmann can program a VCR without a 12 year old present, much less a computer. Even obsolete technology eludes her.
I think contributions also have to be used to fund all the other less profitable sports too. If people were allowed to earmark the contributions for football and men’s basketball there wouldn’t be anything else.
How many carry bullwhips to class? ;)
I meant in her capacity as a syphilitic goat. (with all due respect to the esteemed representative from Minnesota) :)
Gosh! It got late fast tonight. I’m going to turn in. Oyasumi nasai kaji koinu!
LMAO! You’re funny tonight, you are. :D
Just me.
Glad to have provided a bit of levity where I can.
Sweet dreams, Margaret.
You too funny, DrDick!
Night! Think I will toddle off as well. Did a 9 mile hike with a 1500 foot gain in elevation today and then volunteered at the Food Bank Network this afternoon (bagging potatoes!). I’m beat.
Sleep well. I should mosey too. Splendid evening to all.
Kart in front of horse again.
Of 6/2009 college grads, 20% found work (college level within 120 days), of 6/2010 grads 25% found work. Because the IRS Code 482 section that allocates profit has made avoiding US tax so easy, we send jobs off-shore. US companies are crying crocodile tears – they would not and do not hire US grads as more than temps until the next out-sourcing. Their need for h1 visa folks is pretend but their getting h1 visa folks does get the accounting to credit those profits developed from those ideas they come up with into subs safely far away from US taxation, as their cost while in the US is allocated to an out of US sub.
Meanwhile the loss of local and state taxes means 40 plus kids per class – Hawaii is on a 4 day school week in effect (17 Fridays off), towns turn off street lights, paved roads are returned to gravel because there is no money to maintain paved roads, police equipment is auctioned off (anyone need helicopter?), libraries are closed, towns close fire stations and close and fire all local police, all the while Obama calls on us to graduate more college grads.
Obama is a con-job – - – but we already knew that.
Aloha, Dr. D and Margaret…! ;-)
Dr. Dick’s experiences and descriptions jibe with mine, but I’m ‘Emeritus’ and completely free of that burdensome bias.
It’s somewhat comforting to know that the rest of the world isn’t overrun with reluctant learners.
None of the completion rates are anything to crow about. They’re all low.
Very very few colleges or universities can possibly afford to matriculate and teach for four years all the students they admit as freshmen. It’s a con. High-school kids are cash cows for the milking.
Oh please. Our universities are SO bad students are probably better off dropping out and avoiding the heavy debt. I keep thinking about the Matt Damon character who claims in Good Will Hunting that someone could get a $150,000 Harvard education at the public library for $1.50 in late fees. And you know why he’s right? Because unlike most Harvard students, the folks who go to the library for their educations actually READ THE BOOKS.
I should note that the 25% for this years grads is an estimate based on early hiring.
*gah* I’m watching BBC’s coverage of the Hague’s prosecution of Charles Taylor, and Naomi Campbell’s weak testimony, and, I’m thinking that Taylor is mere small fry compared to Blair’s and Shrubco’s war crimes…! 8-(
True – but the stat Obama was tossing about was the number in the population with college degrees (“U.S. has fallen to 12th in the world in the number of college graduates, behind Canada, South Korea, and Russia.”).
The completion rate was perhaps part of the story – but not all.
Add to those questions: what the hell kind of jobs are going to be available that need the kind of education most people will be getting – because the number who will be able to afford even a two-year college is going to be low.
And employers tend to use education, like experience, as a way to limit the number of people they will even look at, whether the job needs that kind of background or not. And most still aren’t interested in anyone over 40, even if the person has the experience and the education.
(I’ve heard that there are programming jobs that want five years of experience with languages that’s only been around for two. Go figure.)
Don’t they always justify those as ‘developing character’ in students?
Can’t students develop character any other way, preferably ones that are less expensive to maintain? /s
High school has long been a baby-sitting holding pen. Now higher ed extends high school. There hasn’t been any room in our economy for that age group for three generations. No decimating full-scale wars either.
You mean percentage of graduates. The US number of graduates must be quite large.
Instead of standardized tests, performance assessment, portfolios and projects.
And, fire Arne Duncan (since you can’t fire Obama until 2012).
Oops, sorry – I see you were quoting someone’s sentence.
My computer says that I’m infected and dying..
Mine told me this afternoon that I have too much plaque.
On YouTube you can learn how to solve quadratic equations, and learn the binomial theorem. Step by step, and at your own learning rate. How cool is that!
CTuttle is upstairs!
Late, Late Night FDL: Down In Hollywood
Sorry, that is a bunch of BS.
Teachers matter.
I started university at U of Arizona in 1963. The cost per credit hour was 8 or 10 dollars. Each semester I’d wonder how the hell I’d come up with
a hundred and a half. It was a little bit of a hardship, but not insurmountable. Books were affordable, particularly if you went with used.
I lived at home, but had out of state friends who paid about 300 per semester for dorm rooms, if memory serves me correctly.
Ah, for the good old days.
I have noticed that when you teach children to think in terms of multiple choice, they tend to grow up seeing the world in concepts of multiple choice – Democrats offer answer “A” and Republicans offer answer “B” and Terrorists offer anwer “C”. Which will you pick now child?
And when people like myself come along and say, “Corporations and lobbyists designed this test to distract you from the real issues, which is how they are pilfering your 401k and devaluing your dollar while converting their dollars into hard assets that you will pay twice as much for in the future” those people look at me and say, “But that wasn’t one of the choice. I can’t understand you.”
Isn’t that what the whole agenda is, anyway? To craft and form a population that needs its answers packaged for them, neat and nifty, without the requirements of critical thinking and skeptical testability? Don’t these standardized tests and poor academic standards actually create the perfect malleable flock of sheeple a government could want?
I’m glad these tests weren’t so rampant when I was growing up. I would have picked “D – none of the above” so often, and then written “see below” where my essays would have been written in margins of the paper, on the back, etc!! I would have been labelled an illiterate child, with a learning disability, incapable of reading comprehension, logic, or analysis!!!
Good thing they closed THAT loophole… no more like me coming through that public education system. Its easier to keep power when nobody knows how to ask questions and seek answers.
I’m sorry, but this article is a mess. It is shameful that we as a country have slipped to 12th, but you’re conflating all sorts of different aspects of the problem and asserting a number of things that are debatable as true. The use of standardized tests is a topic clearly relevant to K-12 education, student loans to college and post-secondary. While both are important and could be the subject of long, thoughtful policy debates, neither is at the core of what causes shortcomings in American education. Certainly, inadequate funding is included in any thoughtful review of either, but it is also not the be all and end all. I’m not at a university at this point, so I don’t have particular insights to add about how they should be funded and structured (though I do think public universities should be expansive, dirt cheap, and aimed at both academic excellence and utility) I know more about K-12, and the discussion of measuring student progress in K-12 could easily take up multiple columns. To glibly say that teachers are “forced to teach to standardized tests that have been proven not to work” is rhetorical rather than proscriptive: having good measurements of specific skills (which some standardized tests do provide) helps teachers identify how to use time with individual students effectively and help them get over problems they have. Does that mean a teacher should be judged strictly on the progress students make on standardized tests? No. Does it mean if a teacher fails consistently to help students master skills measured by standardized tests that he or she could use the help of a master teacher or mentor to better direct instruction? Probably. If you start to follow this chain, their are bases for mutual accountability that actually relate to spending instructional time well to the benefit of students. Do some charters do this well? The answer is probably yes. Do some traditional district schools do this well? The answer is probably yes. If you want to write this article well, you should probably start at the level of arguing for the deployment of principals who are well-trained, motivated, reasonably compensated, and given the autonomy to work with the teachers in their schools to help students both learn and grow. Follow the thread of establishing reasonable budgeting and teacher evaluation practices. Don’t be afraid of trying to apply useful measurements of basic skills to help teachers focus. Fund the school adequately so that people have the time to make sure each student has the opportunity to learn. But all these things are in part impeded in the mess of a structure that we’ve built going back to the 1950′s, and not just the last ten years. Don’t shortchange the discussion of how to build great schools by reducing it to a political soundbite.
Well I certainly can agree that training teachers better, paying them more, and atracting the best of our professionals to the vocation of teaching is a great start.
I would also say that standardized tests can be useful, but only in limited ways, and should be used as TOOLS; not as the ends unto themselves. And the part about judging teachers based on those tests — that’s like determining the Superbowl outcome by having the players roll out the latest Madden video game! The test is only a tool. The way to “judge” a teacher is by the love of learning that was instilled in the child. Did they ask questions after class ended? Did they share what they knew with family? Did they take what they learned from one subject in one class and bring it with them and apply it in the next class, or the next year? Did they take what they learned and try to do independent learning of their own over the summer, or on weekends?
Those are not so easily measured. But then, in our society, we try to make everything measurable and neat and fit into a spreadsheet. We value efficiency over quality, produtivity over longevity. We reward short term “results” without a second thouht to long-term consequences. Some things in life can’t be quantified so easily with a number. We are human beings. Not widgets. We don’t judge teachers by the “number” we assign based on Lexile percentages. At least, we shouldn’t. Teaching is like ART. TRUE ART. It is the molding of a child into a beautiful and complex mind, body, spirit organism that seeks to learn, teach, learn, teach and grow, grow, grow throughout its life.
I have been struggling with jima’s comment for a few minutes. I’m glad you got to it before I did.
You know, it is ironic, but I struggled with it too. Upon the 3rd rereading of it, I found the first sentence to be the best summary of the comment itself. Go figure.
Quoting the WT:
I’ll don my “Socialist” dunce cap and sit in the corner now.
Screw that!
Move to the Head of the Class and stay there!
:)
There is nothing in your remarks that I can take issue with you. There is much good in standardized testing, even multiple choice.
However, my former school district, and I suspect many others around the country, lived in absolute terror of not making AYP each year. They played the game the best they could and massaged their demographics to ease their way past the mark.
Recall the sad story in Rhode Island?
I’ve often wondered where those magnificent teachers and educational systems would be found to intervene when a school district fails.
Hoping and waiting for their chance, all the while working in some corner convenience store biding their time, or having hit the jackpot with the private sector making more money in their first year than a beginning teacher could make in 4 or 5?
Yeah, I know. Probably some “experts” would be brought in with some bullwhips to whip everybody into shape.
What a country.
Lower wages explains it relative to college costs.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/ChrisanaWhite.shtml
$18,476 vs $5,700 That number alone explains it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
Would you pay more taxes for healthcare or will America give up their Social Security to pay for more wars? As we lose college students America loses her edge and becomes a weaker nation.
But Tax Cuts for the Rich are of course much more important than our kids or our nation’s future. If you watch Fox News the Conservative Opiate of the Masses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
I expect America to invade Canada very soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
If Mexico ever finds out about this America could lose its cheap labor.
I’m wondering how the IMF calculates its numbers considering how many Latin American economies they destroyed I’m not sure I trust them.
I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
I’d really like to see Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and those billionaires Buffett’s been urging to “pledge to donate a substantial portion of their estate to charity” instead take a chunk of their $$$$$ to fund a big entity which would buy up a ton of the student loans, and “re-negotiate” their terms with the kids/borrowers.
This would get Sallie Mae and all the other vultures off the kids’ [and parents'] backs, eliminating those 12%+ loans, and issuing ones at a reasonable rate.
Such an entity could also grant “credit” for work as a teacher in needy schools, day care centers, help with the handicapped, or other “worthy” careers that both need people but can’t pay enough for people to both survive and pay back exorbitant student loans.
Actually, of course, this is what our government should be doing, instead of herding students to these onerous, multi-year obligations.
If we were really intelligent, would we vote for these Bozos? Seriously, didn’t the Tea Party convince you?
I guess my (I hope) constructive point is that millions of kids’ education are at stake and the problem of digging ourselves out of the hole we’ve dug is huge. Maybe the part that is hardest to come to grips with is reconciling self-interest with educational interest honestly. I do think that it is imperative that we use the time and talents of classroom teachers better than we have in the historical structures. This may well mean redefining roles in schools, making better use of veteran (and higher paid) teachers as mentors for parts of the day and more effectively teaming them with younger teachers and paraprofessionals. It also probably means rethinking compensation structures to be more based on role and less on seniority. I’m an eternal optimist, and hope that in the long run the discussion around this is kid-centric. Finally, I think the best way to do this is at the local level, which requires active, positive involvement of people who really do want all kids to be educated well.
I have long thought that the generation that received its college degrees prior to 2000, is the last generation to receive an education that is “worth” the investment. Today, I would advise any student that unless he/she is going to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, CPA (or other licensed professional), there is no reason to saddle yourself with debt and go to college.