Are my eyes getting so old that all I can see on this page are several ads from BP? Can the devil himself buy ad space?
I know this is off topic but seeing those ads made me see red.
But on topic I love the ruling. Has Ted Olson had a “come to Jesus moment” in his later life?
The words, in the ruling itself, are so monumental to see in writing. I applaud both Olson and Bois and the Judge! BRAVO!!!

Pete King says the Prop 8 ruling can only be good for republicans.

“This is about recreating our fundamental institutions.”

The liberal agenda of recreating our fundamental institutions simply must stop. Its about damn time we got back to the essential foundations this country was built on like genocide and involuntary servitude. How dare those liberals suggest that society should evolve.

Mornin’, BT, pups

I’m just lovin’ the thought of all the H8er’s heads spinning and exploding. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of bigots.

Yeah, I’ve seen that take from a few wingnuts. My own opinion is that the Republicans who hate marriage equality are largely the same voters as the teabaggers and are already going to turn out to vote. While there are many Democrats who voted for Proposition H8, I seriously doubt that the fact that its been judged unconstitutional is going to motivate many of them to vote Republican.

K-Lo might actually participate that fundamental institution.

The only institution K-Lo will ever participate in is the Nathan’s Hotdog Inhaling & Vomit Contest every July 4th…the only “metaphor” she’ll ever inhale.

Good Morning, BT and All
I have a question. Who is K-Lo?

Kathryn Lopez

Y’all can be treated to something rarely seen: a wedding on radio. Folk singer Johnny Roberts will wed on the Florida Folk Show this morning and it can be seen via webcam here. Good tunes and a wedding. Now that’s radio! Show starts at 9 EDT.

Or

Kathryn Lopez

Yet another constitution that will have to be repaired by the wondrously fringy Rs (and maybe a few Ds). All of these silly ideas about equal rights being actually applied by the courts must be so annoying. The really sad part must be the money blown in the wind by the Mormons and other self-identified religious sorts in the attempt to harm others for a good cause. Maybe they’ll get a rebate, in the next life, or just chock it up to divine mystery.

Morning Dragonman.

CBL works for a gay couple. They have been together 34 years. Last night at her work was a truely joyous time. Very sweet and tearfull.

Kinda cool to see all the heads exploding also. Morning Joe was losing his mind this morning.

ooooooo, the Daleks are coming.

LMAO! I like your link better.

Thanks. I don’t always get all the name shortening. Now, they’re calling Lindsay Lohen, LiLo. Oh, well, I guess there are things I just don’t have to understand. Like during the CA state elections, I never could understand why people felt Marriage Equality threatens “traditional” marriage. But, then during the trial, I realized they don’t have any real argument for that, except Because we say so.

Actually that’s Captain Pike’s chair.

Are my eyes getting so old that all I can see on this page are several ads from BP? Can the devil himself buy ad space?

Even whores take ugly clients.

Morning Slow and Airhead Mika. What a pair. The clip with Weiner yesterday was too much. And to think they’re breathin’ our air.

Like during the CA state elections, I never could understand why people felt Marriage Equality threatens “traditional” marriage.

Fear and hatred. Blind, reactive, visceral loathing. These are the people our ancestors had to drag out of their caves.

Hey, SD, I got the Caturday info….thanks. Such a great thread, all those great cat stories.

Yes, I recognized it, but forgot his name. Thanks. Once less thing to worry about today.

Next time around, we leave them in the caves.

Well, damn, I should know that. Friend of mine, Peter Duryea, was in the original episodes.

Are my eyes getting so old that all I can see on this page are several ads from BP? Can the devil himself buy ad space?

I don’t have a problem with them. They want to waste their money on ads that have no chance of fooling anybody here, that’s just dandy. But the FDL team don’t pick and choose what ads appear, they just sell the space to advertisers who then put them up.

Hey, I’m for shoving them back in now.

It’s sad when people are stupid, but I have little stomach for the intentionally ignorant.

You durn well should. He appeared in “The Cage”, which is the same episode(s) which featured that very chair.

The argument that seems the most believable is that if an act, say cheating on one’s spouse or being gay, isn’t illegal and unacceptable then the weaker elements (those that protest too much) will not be able to stop themselves. The rest of us, by not even seeing a temptation do be denied are all part of the problem Kind of like chubby people watching skinny folks eat cheesecake for lunch. Naturally skinny folks usually don’t care what anyone else is eating.

Of course saying that they need to be kept from temptation isn’t a very good position to take in an argument.

Well, I did have to wait until 1971 to see any of them. We didn’t get teebee in the Delta. *g*

Hear! Hear! I’ve always said that I have nothing but sympathy for the mentally challenged and nothing but contempt for the intellectually lazy and wantonly ignorant. Unlike people with genuine afflictions, they can do something about their ignorance but choose not to.

They say there is a cure for Star Trek TOS but it may involve a bit of shock therapy.

No doubt….

No thanks. I’m happy with my disease. :)

Ah ha. Protection for the weak. I get it now. But, but, but, how are we going to learn if we don’t have choices? Ha.

The argument that seems the most believable is that if an act, say cheating on one’s spouse or being gay, isn’t illegal and unacceptable then the weaker elements (those that protest too much) will not be able to stop themselves

Ah yes! The same argument that forces Islamic women to cover themselves from scalp to heel. The ol’ “women have to suffer because men are too weak to control their base instincts”. I don’t find that argument remotely believable.

Next time around, we leave them in the caves.

And then pile up a bunch of rocks in front of the thing. Can’t be too careful…

Morning BT, Firepups.

A story. Once upon a time, my ex’s not very bright, fundamentalist sister was visiting and one of my kids asked me a question to which I replied, I don’t know honey. Let’s look up the answer later, together. The SIL gave me a whole lecture about how I should never admit to my children that I don’t know “everything”. I looked at her and said, But, that would be lying, wouldn’t it? Shut her up pretty quick.

As long as we need to correct things….I think we should get really serious about expecting proper English. Whatever happened to grammar, etc? We could have had a 12-step Language program for W and a remedial program for Palin, etc….would they go for that? Why should we have to listen to their opinion butcher the language?

Yep, that sounds about right.

That’s interesting. Makes sense when trying to account for wide stance and others of that type. Although the “law” has never been an obstacle for them in the past. Let the floodgates open, poor babies. They may be swept away.

But…I thought Palin can talk reel good…

If you enjoy word salad…

My middle child was always asking questions. Once, around 7, he asked me how gay guys Do It. I said You mean have sex? Well, pretty much the same as everyone else. There’s hugging and kissing and, he interrupted with a short graphic question to which I replied, Yup, pretty much. And, then I asked him if he would feel more comfortable asking his father these kind of questions. He said, No, he’d just lie and you know it. Ack.

Isn’t K-Lo mormon? Not that that really matters…

Is our R’s learnin’?

Her bio says she went to a Catholic University.

The only institution K-Lo will ever participate in is the Nathan’s Hotdog Inhaling & Vomit Contest every July 4th…the only “metaphor” she’ll ever inhale.

???

Last night I was inquiring about the granddaughter of a friend. Apparently she recently asked her grandmother about the devil. Grandma first said, “I don’t believe in the devil.” The poor kid was taken aback, but then Grandma said, “I don’t believe in god either.”

We were laughing about knowing when to quit with alla that truth. Poor kid. I guess she’ll have some opportunity to expand her thinking right about now.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

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Iraki and Afghan casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M

US MBS 2010: 26,784 and counting

Driver’s Seat (my fave is the last car)

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

Might explain why she is such a repressed prig.

Good morning miss demi.

Yup. Wikipedia says she very much into Roman Catholicism.

Yeah, my parents were the lying type and my mother was always fast to suggest psychological help, (for the questioner), might be the best solution. Not very helpful.

Austin Scooter Dude!

Even more dangerous for the really bright creative types, don’t you think? No one deserves to be lied to, but I think there are more serious and lasting repercussions for some than others. I’m prolly wrong about that.

I certainly don’t know, but I do think even the Santa Claus myth has repercussions….as in, who can you trust?

My parents were products of their times and upbringing but that’s no excuse. They were both bright enough to know better. My mom had an IQ in the 130s but was devoutly Catholic and my dad was in the 150s and thought George Will and William Buckley Jr. were God’s gift to humanity.

A funny pair…Buckley actually had quite appeal and charm; Will, dull as dirt. IMHO.

We’re all products of our times. There were some liberal thinking types raised in the same era as your and my parents too, right. The sins of the fathers, etc. But, we have the responsibility to either Repeat or Repair. I chose repair. Why I chose to be a different kind of mother than the one I had. I did carry on some of the more positive and nurturing behaviors, though.

Exactly! It’s our choices that make us who we are. That’s why I only have scorn for those who choose to remain ignorant.

Escaping early childhood indoctrination seems not to be a matter of IQ. In fact, smarter kids seem to buy into the bullshit quicker and deeper.

new post up top…

After this mornings conversation, I’m going to have to be very careful not to say Back to your cave! when I’m speaking to any wantonly ignorant individual I encounter. Might have to get a t-shirt that says that.

Hmmm. I’ll have to think about that one. Maybe it’s not just our IQ, but how much we have been encouraged to Think! Not ruminate, but to discern.

What a great thread! Thanks all.

And so, “You can read that constitution front to back and that gay marriage is not there.” Neither is a driver’s license. Thanks so much.

No, it’s not about IQ, it’s about our choices.

Or, Kookaburra Laughter

Being the father of 4 children and grandfather of three, my wife and I had a parental mantra that has always been: Love first, and by example love and care for one another with trust and respect…when children see that and experience that, they seem to intuitively understand. That in no way constitutes that we did not experience the ups and downs of life and the painful pangs of the teenage years, but the mantra helped.

That went along with imploring children to please strive to be a trustworthy and ‘do no harm’ human being first, and all else will work out regardless.