I’m terribly confused. Is the GOP the Law and Order Anti-Terrorist Party, or the Protect Serial Killers and Let Any Random Maniac Buy a Gun Party?
Daytona Beach police have determined through forensic evidence that the same kind of weapon was used to kill three women (and maybe a fourth) over the past few years, so they have taken what could be considered a logical next step. They didn’t go on a fishing expedition (in fact this is exactly the way a gun dealer who cooperated put it), but asked gun dealers located in the specific counties where the homicides took place if they could see their records during a specific period of time (2004 and 2005), to determine who might have bought this weapon and used it to kill people.
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[T]he police have only “asked” for, not demanded the records, and they are only seeking to look at them, not copy them. But for those who run the NRA, who would consider a law disarming Ayman al-Zawahiri a ride along the slippery slope to a general handgun ban, this is just beyond the pale. So they trotted out one of their lobbyist friends in Tallahassee to lie about the law, to say what the police were doing was illegal — and of course launched the requisite faux-populist appeals to the same conspiratorial, anti-government, pearl-clutchers who Sarah Palin makes millions scaring the bejesus out of via rationality-challenged Facebook missives.
This kind of steely opposition to helping the police stop violent crime is echoed in the Tiahrt Amendment, which makes it effectively impossible to identify crooked dealers who knowingly sell guns to criminals. And conservatives have the nerve to argue that law-abiding citizens need to protect themselves from bad guys who can easily obtain guns thanks to all the loopholes those same conservatives fought for.
Cliff goes on to point out that sizable majorities of the NRA’s own membership support policies that the NRA opposes, such as requiring background checks for gun show sales, and banning gun (or explosives!) sales to suspected terrorists. Yet despite the insanity of the NRA’s guns-everywhere-for-everyone absolutism, most Republicans (and many Democrats) still do whatever they say, and so the gun loopholes remain open. Hell, Mr. National Security himself, Lindsey Graham courageously stood up for the Second Amendment rights of people he and his fellow Republicans consider too dangerous to allow on airplanes.
As an aside, I just wanted to point out how much the nonsensical, 2 + 2 = 1 argument that the best way to prevent violent crime is for everyone to have guns and carry them around everywhere, even bars, reminds me of other classic Republican arguments, such as:
- The terrible deficit monster will kill us all, therefore we need to cut taxes to increase revenue.
- The only way to prevent environmental and financial disasters is to eliminate the stifling regulations which force otherwise conscientious corporations into high-risk behavior.
- The only way to help the poor/the unemployed/failing schools is to stop giving them money.
- The only way to stop Islamist terrorism is to invade Muslim countries and kill and torture as many of their people as possible.
- The only way to protect the sacred institution of marriage is to deny it to gay people.
- Providing additional campaign funding to a publicly-financed candidate running against a gazillionaire or a prodigious fundraiser is an infringement of the latter’s First Amendment rights.
And yet, the GOP is not only not a national laughingstock, but is poised to take a whole bunch of congressional seats in November. If there were any doubt about how irrelevant logic is to politics, that should just about quell it.




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Eli and the Lego guys!
Leggo my
eggogun!Egreg(o)!
Hey, it’s already hell at my work…
OT, but Valerie Plame is interviewed by Keith Olbermann tonight.
Wooooooooooooot.
Have you considered getting an ibex?
LOL! Why didn’t I ever think of getting an ibex?
*headdesk*
Didn’t Goodhair Perry just allow them in churches…? ;-)
Aloha, Eli…!
Seriously though, I just assume there are guns everywhere I go anymore. It’s a bit maddening.
Guns are archetypal phallic symbols. The worship of firearms by certain segments of the GOP, the NRA, and the conservative movement in general not only allows them to sublimate homoerotic tendencies, it allows them by being able to buy many or large weapons a means of substituting these idealized penises for their own lesser but real ones. At its core, it is a compensatory action for a kind of male penis envy. Naturally, this is deeply repressed but expresses itself in odd behaviors, like the complete misreading but deep veneration for the 2nd Amendment. Their subsequent defense of it is really a means to protect their own conflicted sexual identity. You know when gun owners say we can come and pry their guns from their cold dead hands it is not really their guns they are talking about.
my favorite part is when the green styrofoam peanuts came out of the guy’s shirt.
Aloha, CTut!
We really need guns anywhere there could be a shooting, so we need them in schools and workplaces too. Post offices especially.
I think we need them in utero.
*heh* Then peeps can go ‘postal’ on both sides of the counter then, eh…? ;-)
The gunborn?
ZOMG! LOL!
Protect the Gunborn!
Well then I think we should remove the cultural barriers so that these folks can play with their tiny penises wherever and whenever they want.
Poor Eli. Still trying to point out how crazy & irrational the wingnuts are.
hah!
Reporter: “I am here at the post office on 34th and Front St. There is a stand off between a postal teller and a customer. Apparently, the teller was insulted when the customer told him to lick the damn stamps himself.”
Oh plueeze. I’ve seen enuf tiny penises for one lifetime.
Yer on fire tonite…! ;-)
The Arizona Stud Sheriff Joe was out in the desert rounding up illegals today. He had is .50 cal machine gun with him but didn’t take his tank cuz would get too hot inside.
An ibex…is that like a new version of the iphone?
An iBex (iIbex?) app would actually be pretty awesome.
DOJ is currently investigating his sorry ass now, any chance it’ll bring him to ‘justice’…?
Would an iBex app spit at you and make growly noises? This could be epic
They will have to pry his .50 cal machine gun and his little penis out of his cold dead hands.
*Mine* would.
**whoops, just realized how bad that last comment looks. Shouldn’t blog and be on an INTERMINABLE CONFERENCE CALL at the same time. Hoping it ends by 8:00 – gah**
I don’t really know. A lot of folks down in Phoenix are always feuding wih him. The whackos love him and keep electing him but he does not seem effective as far as crime goes.
Does he even consider actual crime to be part of his portfolio?
I am of the firm opinion that the government is all for arming us so we can kill each other off, thus saving them the hassle.
I have not reached this conclusion lightly
We would be the first to go cause you cannot out think a gun.
Most of the time no. He is publicity hound.
This is from Phoenix New Times which keeps a close eye on the old boy.
Joe Arpaio Takes .50 Caliber Machine Gun To Desert, Looking for Undocumented (w/Update)
Well when it comes to guns ‘n butter, look who’s fucking with the butter:
There will be no Unemployment Benefit Extension if the Whitehouse is willing to cut foodstamps.
I just literally became nauseous.
Here is the Grand Prize Winner of the 2010 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest:
It’s just one Fuck You after another.
The prob is the dolt behind the gun…! 8-(
we don’t even get the pretense of dinner and a movie first anymore…
And here I have been spending my days going around and around on that damn wheel.
That’s right … let’s see those f*cking Docs do abortions now …
Eli !
Petro !
No one ever intimated you were a suck up.
The only way to ensure foster children are placed in a loving home is to deny same-sex couples the right to adopt.
The only way to elect public-service-oriented, unbought Governors is to allow them to buy the position with their own money.
The only way to implement progressive policies is to elect Democrats in more and more conservative districts.*
*proving this game isn’t just for the GOP
ELI!
Don’t be confused. If it’s currently seen as anti liberal and/or pro big business, the Republicans will love it. Law and order? P-shaw! Terrorism? It is to laugh! If they cared so much about law and order, they wouldn’t be working so hard to reduce police forces around the country.
MARGARET!
You wouldn’t need Cops if everybody was in Jail !
and has a gun.
That’ll be next.
LOL … Senator !
Great write up today !
Mom and I were touring the crypt of Westminster Abbey and saw the tomb of Bulwer-Lytton — burst out laughing. Probably not in keeping with the suggested solemnity of the place.
seven-oh-fucking-seven
Thanks!
Was there a dark & stormy wight?
LOL
The undead?
MaryMcC- I will add my thanks for your report and the lovely photos at the last. Well done.
*Shudder* … I’ll nevvuh forget my first and last visit to Westminster Abbey. Halfway through, I realized what I was walking on … took me about 5 Pints to soothe my nerves.
On the plus side, my Pool game improved !
Why thank you very much. :)
Or maybe just the brown people…/channeling Republicans
Ben Nelson – World’s Thirstiest Gerbil.
I like it.
Bobby Jindal in second place.
: )
NRA local members deny it but under Wayne LaPierre, the NRA is nothing more than a Republican front group that uses the defense of the Second Amendment as a prop. And coordinates with Grover Norquist’s weekly meeting.
It’s not the only way but given the failure of progressives to recruit candidates or primary lots of wayward Democrats successfully or have a long-term strategy that at least puts progressives on the ballot everywhere, that is the only way to move away from the Republican stranglehold in 2010.
Major Republican losses this year change the narrative for change and free progressives to be more successful. Major Democratic losses causes folks who have gone out on a limb (to their own way of thinking) for change to pull back.
Until progressives have a long-term strategy as effective as the 40-year-long strategy that the right wing of conservatives have had for taking over the Republican Party, progressives will continue to be faced with a Hobson’s choice in each election.
I don’t like the current situation, but that’s the way it is. In 2010, you vote for a Democrat or a Republican if you want to win. I want the Republicans to lose big and their lockstep opposition makes it possible for that to happen just as their lockstep support of Bush made it possible for Democrats to win big in 2006 and 2008. Then the Blue Dogs will be the right wing instead of the “moderates”.
We are not going to get any substantial progressive policies enacted before 2014 at the earliest, but we will get half measures that can be leveraged into progressive policies if we are politically smart.
Yes, I want a Democrat to beat Joe Wilson, John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Jean Schmidt, Virginia Foxx, Sue Myrick. And there are some strong Democrats lined up to make that fight. And I want to see Tom Perrielo re-elected. Victory in those races will move politics in a more progressive direction.
But I really want the Village to wake up the day after the election to news that the GOP lost big. That will do more to help progressive policies than anything else. Not that they will acknowledge or admit it. I want Obama to be seen as the center-right president that he is. That will not happen as long as Republicans drive the narrative.
In 2010, your last item is most certainly true, not false.
If we want to change that reality there is a lot of work progressives have to do with electoral politics before 2012 and 2014.
What makes the cops think the weapon was purchased in those counties? What makes them think it was purchased in that time frame? What makes them think it was a specific type of weapon?
A records search would only focus attention on people who had bought in a few counties during a short period of time the kind of weapon police THINK was used and assumes that the gun was not stolen.
For starters, while gun ownership has recently surged, the vast majority of firearms in private hands have been there for far longer than 2-3 years.
The average American moves an average of once every 5 years, and as many as 300,000 people a year move to Florida each year. Think some of those people might already own guns?
Finally, even if a cartridge were recovered at the scene, identifying the caliber of ammunition used, there are often dozens, if not hundreds of different makes/models of firearms that will chamber the ammunition.
But let’s assume the gun store owners cooperate. Let’s say they turn over a list of every person that has purchased a .38cal handgun. Would the resulting list of thousands of people constitute “suspects”?
Suppose you purchased a certain type of cheese at the market, or a particular brand of motor oil for your car. Would you expect to become a suspect in multiple murders simply because of your preference in cheese or motor oil?
A better measure of the effectiveness of this type of “policing” is the “DC Sniper” case. There, the cops obtained a list of owners of .223-caliber rifles and went door-to-door looking for “suspects”. All those man-hours resulted in nothing. Turns out the rifle used in the Maryland/DC sniper killings was STOLEN from a store in WASHINGTON STATE.
So maybe the cops in this case should expand their search a little… like maybe to include THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.
Of course, such a search might well eat the entire police department budget for several years… but if this is the best they can do, we won’t be missing much.
As usual this board has gotten the quote from Freud wrong.
“The irrational fear of weapons is a sign of retarded
emotional and sexual maturity.”
Sigmund Freud
A good 30-40% of the populace now believes ‘Two parties – one result’. Most of the right-wingers you fear are actually constitutionalists. We agree to live in peace by the constitution. We don’t agree to elected representatives or the courts changing the constitution to fit their personal beliefs. The constitution is written in plain English so that anyone can understand it. We feel it is the same as if the bank all of a sudden decided that it needed more revenue so they upped your mortgage payment by $200 per month. Imagine what chaos will rain once all contracts are treated the way the progressives want. Be careful what you wish for. The nation is arming. There is a lot of talk on the street of civil war. Want to change the constitution then do it legally through the amendment process so that it is debated before the people. To do otherwise risks war.
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A desire by certain minority infers a desire to change the US Constitution without the required due process is not talk of Revolution?
“I’m terribly confused. Is the GOP the Law and Order Anti-Terrorist Party, or the Protect Serial Killers and Let Any Random Maniac Buy a Gun Party?”
An author that speaks of violence, infers responsibility for assisting a violent act, yet you counsel and appear to censor a blogger who did nothing more?
Did the blogger incite to revolution, nope.
Did the blogger threaten anyone with physical harm, nope.
Government data and records do indeed show the nation has and is arming itself.
Referring to hearing talk is illegal how? By the way, how was the Revolutionary war started, what was that match that started the shooting, oh thats right, the government attempted to take a militias two cannon.
After all it was how many years of talk, negotiations and all the political and legal wrangling before a shot was actually fired? Was it twenty, thirty years? How long have the law abiding constitutionalist been infringed upon in the last 40 years eh? History is very consistent, failure to heed history and history will repeat itself and we are a nation born of rebels. How then has that spirit and independence changed since the 1700′s?
Did the blogger predict a possible result, yeah, so did the author stating serial killers and such would prosper or go free.
Then we have the authors laughable complaint against the Tiahrt Amendment.
Laughable in that like all anti gun rhetoric, when the laws are actually reviewed, the claim is exposed as a blatant lie. See in order for the Tiahrt to affect legal duly authorized police forces retrieval of data, all the ATF rules, laws, and data documentation requirements would have evidence of being amended by said Tiahrt Amendment. If one actually goes to the ATF web site, you will see no such amendments, you know, those legal documents that reveal a law was changed, they do not exist. So any BS claim the Tiahrt stops lawful inquiries by police authorities is just that, BS!
Now if you actually look to what the anti’s really want, is that they want POLITICIANS to have unfettered access to that data so that they can bring frivolous lawsuits, even though such has been declared illegal by law. They want to do this because they know, that even if they break the law to file such a law suite, the resulting time, money, and effort will bankrupt their targeted businesses.
Then he refers to the need for a list, established by a political hack, that violates all pretenses of due process (no-fly list) which even those 10 categories of people listed in the 1968 Gun Control Act receive, due process. So Eli must prefer guilty until proven innocent like an obedient little Nazi, Sieg Hiel, Sieg Hiel, Dasvadanya Comrade, uh, by the way, how do you say that in Kenyan? Of course Eli and his masters have the data showing how many of those people actually violated the law or committed a crime. Oh wait, all we hear from Eli and his Masters on their providing evidence is DEAD SILENCE. Yeah we understand, truly we do. For an activist to even acknowledge a fact or question then makes that fact or question part of the solution. These anti gun activist like to pretend such facts don’t exist as to do so would weaken their pathetically weak argument and position, Bet these were the same people who believed the world was flat, the moon was made of cheese, something stupid like that eh?
Then Eli, refers to a survey, sponsored by a anti gun organization and like those studies always are, was designed to get a specific result. Having reviewed the survey, maybe Eli will take the challenge and post all those questions to let everyone see how they were worded, the results, and then instead of taking the neutral answers as affirmation for your point of view, take those out and what then happens to your so called majority of NRA members agree and to WHAT did they agree with.
Eli has all this evidence showing that no DGU’s occur, heck even the anti gun professors Ludwig & Cooke study in 1997 couldn’t refute the existence of defensive gun uses, nor any logic to refute that more than 1.5 million DGU’s occur on average each year. Funny how the actual government data with hospital database reports on deaths/injuries support the existence of those “NO SHOTS FIRED” defensive gun uses. But then again, since the government identifies that only in 3-15% of all violent crimes involving a firearm is a shot fired, the police also show that a maximum of 25% of the time is a target hit. then the USDOJ National Victimization annual report 2008 shows 4.8 million violent crimes not involving a firearm not reported.
Or you can also go to multiple web sites like:
Keep & Bear Arms
KC3
Armed Citizen
American Rifleman
…and count over 80 such documented occurrences over the last month alone.
Funny how when the details and context of statements or claims are brought out, so many of the anti’s claims act like a fart trying to travel upwind in a category 5 hurricane and fade away so quickly as to be perceived as never existing as all hot air does.